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I'm phoning in a quick post in the days between the monumental shutout victory for Theo against the Lightning and the Avs return to Le Can for Friday's game against the struggling Blackhawks.

Since I'm the sorta-kinda goaltending correspondent here at MHH, I'm opening up a thread for all your goalie-related questions.  Ask away.  I won't pretend to know all the answers or be an expert on anything, but I can try.

(And, yes, unfortunately that is a picture of your's truly in action...)

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The (Coach) Q Factor

Nov 2007 by Joe Dunman - 24 comments

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Mask

That was taken last winter before I got the lid I'm wearing this season.  It was a pretty standard (and cheap) Jofa combo that served me well and is not my backup.  I'm currently rockin' the samurai-themed mask in my profile pic.  I just need to get a new picture of myself in action.

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 1:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Man

I'd totally go five-hole.

In a completely non-sexual, hockey-playing kind of way, of course.

by Joe Dunman on Jan 17, 2008 1:42 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

It's a facade

to lure you in, so that I can shut it down.

Though, I have been having some stick-discipline issues of late (just to keep the innuendo going...) and am getting beat more often.  New paddle length too, so that may be part of it, though I suspect it's actually lack of skill that is the real culprit...

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 4:30 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Those pad regulation?!

If I were a photoshop nerd I'd reverse that arrow over your right shoulder.  Just because I make fun of people I like, really...

How hard are you on your skates?  Do you use a really heavy ROS on your blades?  Do you sharpen them at an angle like Belfour used to do or do you sharpen them straight down the middle?

Do you get pissed when guys take slap shots or just brush it off as part of the game?  I played in a late night beer league and there were a couple of goalies that got really pissed off if you put any heat on the puck.

by Dario on Jan 17, 2008 1:54 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Re: Those pads regulation?

The beer league here where I live allows the high heat, but not many of the guys have a decent slap shot anyway, so it doesn't matter much.

by Joe Dunman on Jan 17, 2008 2:44 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe's comment

I have a few guys that can bring the pain on a regular basis.  A couple of them are fairly accurate too.  It's never the slappers that I worry about, it's the screen shots, cuz for some reason those pucks have eyes and never go where you are prepared for them to go.  I once had one sneak under my pant leg and above my thighboards and nail me right on top of the knee.  Not good.  Whole leg went numb from the knee down.

I went to one open session and there were a couple of OKC Blazers there.  One of them smoked one from the BLUELINE and got me right in the chest.  1st time I ever felt anything through the C/A...

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 4:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Chest

One of them smoked one from the BLUELINE and got me right in the chest.

Would have gone over Theo's glove

by Jibblescribbits on Jan 17, 2008 4:29 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

re: glove

Would have gone over Theo's glove

Better than his shoulder I guess...

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 4:32 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Those are pre-"New NHL" regs. 12" width.  Stock 34" length though.  I'd like to go back to an 11" pad (like I had when I played roller) and get a +2 on the thighrise to account for my wider butterfly.

Not to bad on my skates.  If I get a couple of sessions of pick-up or stick-n-puck in a row, I might get a few dings due to running into the post, but that's about it.  I keep 'em straight, I don't have the edge control to angle the blades.  I've only been playing ice for about 1-1/2 years.

I got no problems with slapshots during the course of a game or pick-up.  I get pretty steamed if some ankle-bender who can't control his shot winds up on me from the bottom of the circles during warm-ups or stick-n-puck.  Not cuz it might hurt but because 9 times out of 10 the shot ends up headed straight for my head or 30 feet wide of the goal.  Neither scenario really does much for my game.  Plus during stick-n-puck there are little kids on the ice and if I don't get some control of the shooters in my end, they'll nail some 6-year-old who's digging a puck out of the net assuming that a 30-year-old has enough smarts not to rip one at my back.  You'd be surprised...

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 4:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for the off topic but

OHHH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

STASTNY OUT 2-3 WEEKS TO HAVE APPENDIX REMOVED.

Sorry for screaming but are you f kidding me?
Hockey Gods, I repeat: Are you f kidding me??

I had my appendix removed when I was 10, why didn't Paul do the same? Bahh

http://avalanche.nhl.com/team/app/?s...

That's the first NHL game he misses, right?

Hold on Avalanche...

Almost 5,000 miles away... It's the Portuguese Avs Fan!

by LuisAvs on Jan 17, 2008 3:44 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Wimp

My wife had hers removed last month and was back at work after a week.  I thought Hockey players were tough

(only joking to cover the pain)

by Jibblescribbits on Jan 17, 2008 3:52 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No All Star game.....

at least Stastny will have that week as part of his recovery time.  It can take up to 2-3 weeks just to heal the stitches, though with today's technology, I'm sure the actual surgical area is rather small in size.  Really though we don't want him busting open in a game.

Why do the hockeys gods hate us so this season???? Have we not sacrificed enough goats?

by Americanario on Jan 17, 2008 4:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Wife

Her scar is about the size of an index finger, and after 2 weeks she was able to do some light running. 2-3 sounds about right

by Jibblescribbits on Jan 17, 2008 4:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Our top 3 centers

Foppa's spleen, Sakic's super hernia, and now Stastny's appendix.  We gotta get them all in the lineup during this homestand.    

by Bob in Boulder on Jan 17, 2008 4:25 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I've still got mine

appendix that is.

Wife too...

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 4:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

damn, this season is cursed

i don't know what else to say.

by thedoctor on Jan 17, 2008 5:35 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

good timing at least.

he'll miss less games due to the all-star break.

although not so good for him - he'll miss the all-star game.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 17, 2008 5:39 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

alright, here's a question for you, Mike

From your perspective as a goalie, what would you consider Budaj and Theodore respective strengths and weaknesses?

I look at Theodore and he seems quicker than Budaj, but Budaj seems more under control and in the right position -- but I really don't have any reasoning or base of knowledge to qualify that.

by thedoctor on Jan 17, 2008 5:34 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Here goes

my off the cuff analysis of both.  Keep in mind that I haven't seen either live, and it can be difficult at times to judge performance on TV because you typically only see replays of spectacular saves and of course, goals against.  

Theo has a strong reactionary game and a better glove hand than Boots.  He looses depth control often, IMO.  Depth control is his position relative to the goalline and the shooter.  The farther out, the less net; the closer in, the more net to shoot at.  You can go too far, and leave yourself open to dekes and backdoor passes, so you have to strike a happy medium.  He also seems to get discouraged at times and give up on plays.  I've also questioned his tracking/concentration at times as he seems to have no idea where the puck is.  We've recently brought up the issues of his puckhandling, but Boots isn't much different in that regard.  At some point after his struggles started in Montreal, he started challenging shooters less and trying to play a more positional game, which I don't think plays to his talents well.  He's a tad undersized for a blocking-style goalie (think Giggy). Historically, he seemed to excel when he was forcing shooters to make the first move.  I think he reverts to this during shootouts and that's why he has so much success.  His size also makes tips,screens, and deflections more effective since when he resorts to 'getting big' when he can't see a shot, he's just not as big.  In fact, there are times when he seems to huddle down into a more compact shape rather than present a full blocking surface.  Maybe all those tats have weakened his core (torso) and he's collapsing a little bit.

Boot's positional play and lateral movement are stronger than Theo's, IMO.  He also tends to be more square to the shooter and have more screens hit him.  He isn't as patient, but that's a sign of his relative inexperience and should improve with time.  He's very disciplined positionally but can scramble if he has to.  He seems to utilize his stick more for saves than Theo, which I like.  He utilizes the paddle-down save well, but doesn't overuse it like many of his contemporaries.  His post-to-post moves are more explosive, and aside from a gaff early in the season, his post coverage is better than Theo's.  He seems to be more even-keeled than Theo and doesn't have peaks and valleys, but is fairly consistant in attitude and demeanor.  He just seems more stable to me.  

Both have struggled with rebound control at times, but I think we only notice it on the nights the D is suspect also.  When the goalie doesn't have a clean look at a shot, any rebound is the defense's responsibility just as much as it's the goalies.  The old addage is that the goalie makes the first stop, and everything after that is the defense's fault.  That's not entirely true, but it has SOME truth to it.

Anyway, there's my uneducated opinion.  I know a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff, but I don't know everything, and I'm constantly learning new things about this position.

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 17, 2008 8:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks

insightful stuff.

i've often wondered if you could keep Theodore around as a SO specialist -- he's amazing in that one regard.  Plus he's a serviceable backup.  

If Q wasn't in love with tandems it might not be bad @ a million a year or so.

by thedoctor on Jan 17, 2008 11:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Cost

I'm thinking of playing ice hockey this year as a goalie so roughly how much does half decentish equipment cost?

by Savage33 on Jan 18, 2008 12:35 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Equipment costs

vary of course.  You can buy the stuff you need to get started relatively cheaply, but depending on the level of play, you may want to spend some more coin.

(All of the prices I state below are based on decent, beer-league level equipment bought new.)

Spend the cash on a good mask ($300+) and a good cup ($50-70).  I recommend buying a new cup!  Decent pants can be had for around $90-120. Gloves and blockers run about $110-150 apiece.  A decent C/A (chest and arm protector) will run around $120-150.  Lastly, leg pads will run $250-650 depending on the make and model.  Older styles will be cheaper, but newer NHL regulation gear will cost more. Sticks and skates are comperable to other ice hockey sticks and skates.  Shop around and comparison shop on the major websites.  If you have access to a shop that sells gear, go in and try stuff on to get a feel for what works and what doesn't, especially masks.

For someone starting out, I recommend going the used route.  You can usually get better quality gear for the same or better price as new, lesser quality equipment.  Hit ebay.  A little work and patience can net some quality gear.  Check out this excellent site (http://www.goaliestore.com/board/ind...) for tons of equipment questions, reviews, and a decent used gear section.  Run some searches, read some reviews, know what questions to ask sellers, and get a little background info before you dive right in.  A lot of the bells and whistles on gear are just that.  If you're just starting out, chances are you don't know what thigh-rise you need, or if an offset-toe will help, or if you'd prefer a birdcage to a cateye, or if the break on a Vaughn catcher is more comfortable than the break on a RBK.  There are a ton of threads that give the basics on how to get started, how to size gear, how to find deals, etc. Spend some time clicking around.

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 18, 2008 8:45 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha

Just as an interesting side note, one of the search phrases used to find Mile High Hockey this morning was, "goaltenders are strange people."  How fitting.

by Joe Dunman on Jan 18, 2008 6:42 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Foreign language.

Being the rookie that I am, I had no idea that goalies had their own language. Screw "Hockey for Dummies", you need to write "Goaltending for Dummies".

by Rookie14 on Jan 20, 2008 11:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Equipment jargon

is pretty wild:

Cat-eye
Offset toe
sliding toe bridge
Turco grip
dangler
thighrise
+2
lye
cheater
pro-palm
ATK
calf-lift
combo

I could go on for a while...

Consequently, it's refreshing to speak to other goalies that know something about equipment.  I  met a guy that goes to UCO and plays net and I was able to talk to someone about equipment for the first time in about 4 years...

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 20, 2008 8:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Mikey should be my goalie coach

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...

But he wears a combo, that dorky looking Hasek helmet.  Thus, he cannot be my coach.

I play 9 chords.

by RobertSmith on Jan 21, 2008 10:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I am no longer a CWD

CWD = combo wearing dork for the uninitiated...

I'm currently rocking the NXI Phantom in my profile pic on the front page of MHH.

I likey the tux jersey.  I REALLY wanted to get one when the message board got up the group order a while back, but lack of fundage was the culprit.  Still, you look stylin'.  Are those the fabled Miklin pads and gloves you're wearing?

Mike @ MHH

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 21, 2008 11:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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