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2nd Annual Avalanche Blogger Roundtable!!

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It's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!  Strap yourself in everybody! We've got EIGHT pulse-pounding days of drivel insight and analysis to get you desperate for actual hockey so that you can stop reading this crap! And exclamation points!!! Hundreds of exclamation points!!

This year's participants include:

  • Mike and Joe from this fine site,
  • the beautiful Angelique (aka Jori) from Avs Prospects,
  • the not-as-beautiful Draft Dodger and almost-doable Dario from In the Cheap Seats,
  • Saskatoon Shane from Colorado Avalanche Talk,
  • GEO (not the defunct car) from The Avslova Factor,
  • Budaj's #1 Fan, Jibblescribbits from the site of the same name,
  • mascot-hater Tapeleg from Jerseys and Hockey Love,
  • multi-tasker Justin from The Avalanche Guild,
  • with special-guest star Jay Vean from The Avs Hockey Podcast,
  • and featuring Aaron of The Dog and Pony Show!

Here's the roadmap to our eight days of genius:

1. RIVALS? We don't need no stinking rivals!!

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2. HOLES? Only if they're the donut kind!!
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3. GRANATO? I HEART CAMMI!!!

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4. ROOKIES? So Cute!!

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5. PESTS? We call them checking wingers!!
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6. SALARY CAP?  Kroenke is reyotch!!

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7. BUDAJ? Bood-you!!
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8. EXPECTATIONS? Lower than ever!!

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MileHighHockey will add a new link daily as we count down the days to the Avalanche opener on Oct. 9th!  Keep it tuned here as our eight crazy days fall off the calender landing with the dull, lifeless thud that is hockey blogging!!! Exclamation!!!!!

Question 6:

What is the most beneficial way for the Avs to spend the rest of their available salary cap space? Should they hold on to it till the deadline?

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Draft Dodger:It never hurts to have some cap space for deadline deals, but I believe the Avs are saving room for one reason and one reason only: Peter Forsberg. And you won't hear any argument from me about that plan.

Jay Vean:I have to agree with David on this one. Nothing like having some spare money around to sign one of the best Avs of all time when he deems he is ready to go again. Rumor is that Peter the Great is progressing nicely and may be back sooner than later, but that's just rumor and we all know how much weight those hold when talking about Peter Forsberg. He'll do what he wants, when he wants to do it, and us Avs fans don't mind that at all. At 50% or less he is still that rare player that can change any game all by himself. Those types of players don't come around very often. And to know that he has already said that he's not interested in playing for any other organization besides our Colorado Avalanche is just icing on the cake. I look forward, just like we all do, to seeing him in an Avs sweater again sooner than later.

Joe:If Peter Forsberg can realistically return (I'm not convinced last year's attempt was realistic), the cap space should be saved for him. Under no circumstances should the Avs go shopping for goaltenders while Peter Budaj is still costing them so little. The only other option for the money I can see is spending it on a defenseman with a huge slap shot who can quarterback the power play, but good luck with that. It kind of seems like that's a lost art.

Shane: The ol' "wait and see" approach is fine in this situation. There's nothing saying you have to spend right up to the cap so why try to fill a need that may not exist?

If this team comes charging out of the gate, Giguere will look like a genius and Kroenke will have a thicker mattress to sleep on at night.

If the team falters, then Giguere have the space to address the issue.

And hey, maybe they'll lower ticket prices in the meantime. Hah!

Mike: I'll let the people of the Warton School at the University of Pennsylvania explain:

"First, understand that the stock free agent market is a giant distraction to the business of investing running a successful franchise," [Jack Bogle] says. Stock prices are likely to go somewhat lower, he adds, warning speculators trying to bet on such moves that they ought to get out now. But to long-term investors, his advice is to "ride it out. Don't do anything. That will probably be painful but it probably would be better than trying to guess when to get out," he says, referring to investors' management's tendency to bail out when prices save percentages are low and buy again when prices are high for Khabby, reversing the basic rule of buy low, sell high.

I agree. Sit on the cash and avoid goaltenders named Nikolai at all costs.

Avalanche Guild: Save the dough for either Brenden Shanahan or Peter Forsberg.

The Avs could also use some new in-game entertainment at Pepsi Center...something other than the King Soopers gift-card giveaway. I don't know how much more I can handle thousands of drunk, obese fans waving their Soopers cards in the air as if they're stranded on an island, starving, trying to flag down a plane going overhead.

I also wonder if salary cap $$$ could possibly be used for game-by-game incentives. Challenging the players every once in a while with the chance to win some cold hard cash never hurt anyone!! Also, fans should be made aware that there are some significant changes in the bonus salary cap space that teams have this season. I can't get into the details because of word-count, but many teams do not have salary cap flexibility like they did last season, so that's more reason for the Avs to save their dough for things like unforeseen injuries, etc.

Angelique:Having a cap cushion going into the regular season gives the Avs some flexibility. Perhaps the extra money will be used on another miraculous Peter Forsberg return in late December, but it may be time to let Peter go. With a tough Western Conference, the Avs cannot afford to get off to a slow start. Should this situation occur, they will have the cap space to make a move. Yet, if they prove the critics wrong, they can use the remaining cap space at the trade deadline to add another forward to the arsenal (or perhaps finally acquire the defensive minded third line center they have needed for years).

GEO:Save the money, not for Peter Forsberg, Mats Sundin, or Ray Emery (kidding), but in case there is a big injury that requires attention. This means that if the Avs find out one of their top defensemen is injured in the opener, they have so room to make a trade for a good player to fill his spot.

If they make it to the trade deadline and are in contention for the playoffs, then I think it may be time to rent a player. This could be Joe Sakic's last season and all of us want to see him win a Stanley Cup. As we've seen in the pass, it's sometimes the smaller moves (Brad Stuart to Detroit) that make the most difference. That's fine.  Let's make sure we have the cap space to make a smaller move and ensure that the Finals are a reachable goal.

If none of the above works, I could use some spending cash.

Tapeleg: I am a huge fan of holding on to some cap space until the deadline, and it's going to be pretty hard to convince me otherwise.

Perhaps there won't be anyone truly valuable to the team come deadline day, and perhaps there will be no need to buy, but having the option is always good. Maybe you find you need a Tommy Salo (does anyone need a Tommy Salo? Did the Avs?). Maybe a cheap Peter Forsberg comes along to shoehorn you into the playoffs. Maybe all you need is a Scott Parker to beat some ass in a few games. But if you have a need, and have cap issues, what more do you need.

As for where to spend it, the season will make it obvious, until fate intervenes. Who would have thought that the Avs would run out of scoring forwards in the second round? It must have been pretty lonely out there on the first few lines. Wait and see, wait and see.

Jibblescribbits:With the notable exception of a certain Swede... there's not really much to do with the cap at this point. They can either save some for Forsberg, and if that doesn't pan out they can assess what's needed near the trading deadline, and go out and try and get something there.

Also, I'm sure our über-rich owner is actually feeling the results of our economy going in the pooper. I still think there were worthy free agents out this last summer, but they're no longer there. There's nothing worth spending it on. Take the money, buy some government bonds, then when the Avs make a run at Gaborik next summer they will have the money, and just have to look for some cap space.

Dario:It's Foppa escrow, I have no doubts. Look for the signing after December 1st.

Aaron: Please don't tell me they are saving up in hopes of a "Forsberg Surprise" in December! What he's gonna jump out of a cake at New Years and everything will be okay? Really? The Peter Forsberg love fest has to come to an end at some point. The man is broken. Why not trade for Gaborik?

I don't want to hate. I love Pedro. The man in his prime was a phenomenon. But the Avs have to build in a positive direction rather than taping together the tattered pieces of the past every season.

Summary: The consensus appears to be to sit on the cash until Foppa deigns to grace us with his presence.  Hopefully in time for another run at the post-season.

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I chimed in on the first one. As if I wouldn’t. Have I mentioned how much I hate the wings?

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 1, 2008 9:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Doesn’t ring a bell.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 1, 2008 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s new to me!!

by Mike @ MHH on Oct 1, 2008 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, you’ll have to remind me.

by Drakenlot on Oct 1, 2008 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

no way, i never would have guessed

by thedoctor on Oct 1, 2008 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dude, the “almost-doable” line was pure win.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 1, 2008 1:30 PM MDT reply actions  

I tried to bring the funny on this year’s roundtable, but I wasn’t sure if I pulled it off…

by Mike @ MHH on Oct 1, 2008 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed your intro!!!!!!!!!!!

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 1, 2008 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

InYoFace Phadouche! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Oct 1, 2008 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

You can never have to many exclamation points, unless you’re Elaine Benes.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Oct 2, 2008 3:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Ah, Seinfeld. Great episode.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 2, 2008 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve got a stomach full of pills from the Internet and I’m looking for some holes. Can you point me in the right direction?

We’re nothing but class here, kids.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 2, 2008 9:29 AM MDT reply actions  

I think I missed something.

InYoFace Phadouche! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Oct 2, 2008 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta read the post and comments over at ITCS…

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 2, 2008 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I did. I’m just slow today after a co-worker rearranged the keys on my keyboard. that bastard.

InYoFace Phadouche! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Oct 2, 2008 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

All of them? That’s dedication.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 2, 2008 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s great, almost as good as rearranging someones living room or kitchen in their parking lot.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Oct 2, 2008 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Come to think of it, I don’t ever actually look at the keyboard when I type. I just realized that.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 2, 2008 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

neither do I. But I was half asleep this morning and wondered why the “G” was by “enter” and just rolled with it….for about 15 minutes. Its okay though, I got a plan to get him back tomorrow.

InYoFace Phadouche! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Oct 2, 2008 8:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha

That’s better than changing someone’s wallpaper when they forget to lock their computer!

2 down, 1 to go... Gettin' the band back together 08-09

by texacogirl on Oct 2, 2008 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Office Pranks

Last year, my and my co-worker spent our lunch breaks for a week building a cardboard office for our boss while he was on vacation. When he got back and had a blast with it.

Yes, I got the idea from the internet.

by Drakenlot on Oct 3, 2008 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

The secret is in the alt-text when you mouse over the photos, IMO.

by Mike @ MHH on Oct 2, 2008 3:04 PM MDT reply actions  

You do love that alt text.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 3, 2008 8:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Day Four - Rookies

It looks like a love fest for Hensiiick over a AvsProspects and I would sure love to see him make the roster, but I don’t know if I seriously believe that Arnason is going to lose his spot. I think he should, I just don’t think it is going to happen. Jones has the best shot to stay in Denver right now, especially with the amount of scoring he has already produced. 3 goals in two games (6 in 3 if you include the Burgandy/Blue) and he has been kicking some tail. If he can continue to produce he will be a big part of this team this season.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Oct 4, 2008 4:36 PM MDT reply actions  

I think Hensick has the potential to be a good player in the big show but I was just so much more impressed with Jones in camp. That, coupled with Jone’s kick-ass preseason makes him a favorite imo to make the team. I am also very disappointed that Cash was sent down so quickly. I know it’s only preseason but Raycroft getting shelled in last night’s game is not a good sign of things to come.

2 down, 1 to go... Gettin' the band back together 08-09

by texacogirl on Oct 4, 2008 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully we’ll only see Raycroft in 20 games or so, so it won’t make much of a difference.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 4, 2008 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Record

Hopefully, Boods can break the goalie start record and play all 82+ games.

by Drakenlot on Oct 6, 2008 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

On today's topic

Stan may be reyotch, but I’m not so sure he’s going to invest fully in his Can franchises this season. He’s already gone bottom of the barrell with his radio contract, evidently broadcasting games with a kit he put together in his basement (1510 AM, for the 5 people in the greater metro area who can get it). He also dumped salary (buh-bye Marcus Camby for as close to nothing as humanly possible) on the Noguts. And as an Av season ticket holder, I know for a fact that he is actually giving tickets away this season, and good ones at that.

So will he spend up to the Cap? In years past I was always certain he would. This year? There is no certainty. But I’d be all for another Foppa return. Especially if he can get the damn foot/ankle/groin situations figured out. Can we unleash some of that Iron Man technology on Foppa?

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 6, 2008 10:26 AM MDT reply actions  

Not sure the Iron Man tech would work in Foppa’s case. We may need the ole Lee Major’s type of stuff and get those bionics going. For you younger people, it would be like Will Smith’s arm in “I Robot”

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Oct 6, 2008 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

/puts on Hockey Buzz hat…

A contact at Kroenke informed me that 950 pulled some asshole hardball type moves during negotiations for the contract renewal so Stan shut down negotiations. They are aware that the new station sucks although I don’t know what their plans are to fix it.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Oct 6, 2008 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

What about

Million Dollar Man?

We can rebuild him.

by Drakenlot on Oct 6, 2008 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but with inflation he’s gonna cost a lot more than a million.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 6, 2008 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Inflation?

What inflation? The economies in the tank! We’re all going to die!

by ShaneG on Oct 6, 2008 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think a man known for his massages should throw the word “inflation” around willy-nilly…

by Mike @ MHH on Oct 7, 2008 7:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not if you make him the million peso man.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Oct 7, 2008 4:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but you get what you pay for.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 7, 2008 6:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

And a million pesos doesn’t buy much….though we might be able to get close to that figure for Arnason.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Oct 7, 2008 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Buys more than a million US dollars would.

Count it!

by Drakenlot on Oct 8, 2008 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good ending

Now lets see how many predictions hold true.

It already seems like the rookies guesses are going down the tubes with only Jones starting. But that can quickly change, so who knows?

I’ll tell you who knows, the guy in the corner over there with the crystal ball.

by Drakenlot on Oct 8, 2008 9:09 AM MDT reply actions  

We’ll see how long it takes Hensick to get called up. He played 30 games last season, and it wouldn’t be a huge stretch to imagine an injury or a trade (please trade Arnason, please trade Arnason, please trade Arnason) that would mean another chance with the team this year.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Oct 8, 2008 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

Bouwmy is on his way out of Florida. I firmly believe the Avs will be big players in the trade deadline sweepstakes for him, we’ve been without that #1 D for too long. We’ll have to give to get him though — Wolski or Hensick + Clark is probably where a package from us begins (assuming we can negotiate a long-term contract in advance with him). If they’re having good seasons, you could see Jones or even Stewart offered too.

It’ll be really interesting to see if and how FG goes after him, and whether he can protect the core of this team while adding a stud like Bouwmy.

by thedoctor on Oct 8, 2008 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

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