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Game 12: Blackhawks 6, Avalanche 2

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Well, this is awkward. 

Honestly, what's my motivation for writing a recap of the game last night?  Do I really want to discuss, in detail, how bad the Avalanche suck right now?  Would that be fun for anybody?

Peter Budaj got lit up, the Avalanche defense was its usual incompetent self, and the offense was firing blanks.  Not so long ago the Avs were 5-3 and fighting for top spot in the Northwest Division.  Now they're in the basement on a four game losing streak and a record of 5-7. 

Really, what more should I write?  If you want a recap, go here.  If one of my esteemed colleagues would like to write a recap of their own, please do.  If you just want to bellyache with me in the comments, feel free.  Otherwise, I'm done here.  This game might as well not have existed.

ADDENDUM: Terry Frei continues to redeem himself in my eyes, with another extremely fair take on Peter Budaj's struggles in net:

This time, goalie Peter Budaj, who had 31 saves, was left out to dry as the Blackhawks outworked Colorado.

A goalie can't be expected to be the ONLY good player on the team.

PS - Get out and vote!

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It was bad.

I was at the game. I always try to go when the Avs come to Chicago, and they’ve lost each time. So, I’ve decided that I will no longer go.

But anyway – I struggled with if some of those goals were actually Budaj’s fault or just the defense playing like crap. Budaj made some amazing saves, and at the end of the night I just wanted to take all of our defense to the Chicago river and drop them in like Jimmy Hoffa.

On top of that I REALLY hope some changes are coming for the offense, and soon – VERY VERY SOON. I know it is talked about a lot here, but Arny was invisible. Totally. A call-up of Hensick or Stewart might show some of these idiots how precarious the situation is. I don’t believe it’ll happen, but I can hope.

I just….don’t have much faith in the way we’re playing right now. In particular I remember a 2 minute span in the 3rd where both teams were at even strength and the Hawks were able to keep the puck in our zone and just cycle it like they were on the PP. I was FURIOUS!

Anyway, I could go on. But, I wont. The season will continue.

by AaronHawn on Nov 4, 2008 7:13 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I’ve seen the Avs play in Nashville four times and they’ve lost every single game. Jerks.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Nov 4, 2008 7:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember that span in third when it looked like a ’Hawks power play. That was dreadful. And infuriating. Seriously, what the hell was that.

by Pookie on Nov 4, 2008 8:29 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And it seemed like it was most of the 3rd period, actually. And dare I say it? Chicago looked well coached. Unlike the bozos wearing white.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 4, 2008 9:12 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

It did seem like most of the third period, but there was also a span of time in the second when it occurred.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Nov 4, 2008 11:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

ALARM CODE RED

Get all your towels and start throwing them!

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Nov 4, 2008 7:36 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Eh, not yet. But I definitely don’t want to hang around the boxing ring as much anymore. All those towels just laying there are getting pretty tempting.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Nov 4, 2008 8:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Big ticket players don't step up

Hard to blame a goalie paid 800,000 and used as a shooting gallery when we have 2+-6+ million players that do not produce. GM decisions since the lockout are catching up with us. Not to even dwell on ridiculous trades like Gilbert and more. As for Stewart is he really going to make it? He hasn’t set Lake Erie on fire this year.

by eve on Nov 4, 2008 8:23 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Well, can Stewart be blamed for having weak linemates in Erie? Is that his problem?

I say call Hensick up ASAP, and put Stewart on standby. Might as well give them a chance, the way the Avs are playing right now.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Nov 4, 2008 8:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Willsie

Willsie is at 10points in 10 games, and had a fantastic preseason.

Maybe he deserves a shot too

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 4, 2008 9:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Anything

at this point to displace Arnason and Tucker would be welcome. They are both worthless. And I noticed Tucker was on the 2nd PP forward unit last night. That couldn’t be a good indicator of forward depth, could it be?

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 4, 2008 9:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

I’m going to be eating my earlier words of Tucker soon.

by Drakenlot on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

How’s Ledin doing? Anyone know? I don’t follow LEM.

Red Wings Suck

by texacogirl on Nov 4, 2008 9:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Before I tell you

I’d just like to point out that T.J. Hensick is 6th in the AHL in scoring, with 13 points (6g, 7a) in 10 games, while accumulating only 2 PIMs. He also is carrying a +5 and has 3 PP goals.

Ledin on the other hand…has 3 points (1g, 2a), an even +/-, and 6 PIMs.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Nov 4, 2008 9:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is talking about shaking up the forwards…true they haven’t been playing D very well, but they are scoring (for the most part). We might need to start using Tarqvist and Cuminsky to send a message to the blue liners. Foote finally got his first point last night, in the 12th game. He has looked awful this season, I thought maybe it was having not played with Clark last season, but 12 games and no real improvement. Start benching the D…

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Nov 4, 2008 12:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Foote HAS looked awful. Which saddens me

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Nov 5, 2008 4:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Weird

Maybe Frei has been lurking around here during the games. Or the more likely answer is that the defense has been so bad that even a MSM guy can see it and is calling them out instead of just throwing his keyboard at Budaj’s head every morning.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Nov 4, 2008 3:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think it’s the fact the D’s been so nad that anyone can see it, although some people will still take the easy way out and blame Budaj, ya know whats really interesting is that when Boods plays an average game, or even a good game where he’s unlucky Daters all over him like blood on a detroit person while he has had nothing bad to say about Raycrofts CHL level of play.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Nov 4, 2008 3:17 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Dater did call Raycroft’s Columbus game the worst performance ever by an Avs goaltender…

But Dater also continues to rate Budaj’s play as basically an F.. and I think that’s a bit harsh, and frankly I think at this point he’s so convinced himself that Budaj is terrible that he sees mistakes in Budaj that are either very minor, or not mistakes at all.

For example he mentions the San Jose game as one where Budaj was leaving bad rebounds, and some of those rebounds were out in front, but he has to look at it objectively. If a guy shoots, uncontested, a slapshot from the right towards the left far post, and Budaj saves it with his outside pad… where else is the rebound supposed to go? How is anyone supposed to push that rebound to the corner? Every reboung goal against Budaj had no choice to

The fact is that they’re not. The situation above describes both the 5th goal in the SJ game (the one some called questionable) for Budaj, and also Tanguay’s goal (against Brodeur) in the ’01 Stanley Cup finals. The only difference was Brodeur kicked the puck out further.

I would like to know where Budaj is supposed to play those rebounds. I know he’s not supposed to give any up, but when they hit the leg pads, they are bouncing back that’s physics, and the goalie doesn’t matter. And if the shots coming in from the correct angle, or bad angle, he’s going to give up a rebound.

Dater’s frustrating me on this one. He can be harsh, but saying stuff like “rebound control” and “positioning” always seems like when political experts talk about a guys “charisma”. It’s more liek “I don’t like him so here’s a BS answer”

Be specific in criticism

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 4, 2008 5:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

One thing that Dater wrote in his blog that really showed his budaj-bashing i’d like to mention,

Budaj kicked the puck all over the place against the Sharks, leading to rebound goals that killed his team. He’s always out of position on the rebounds he creates, too.

Expanding on what Jibbles has said which is pretty spot on about rebounds, in my experience as a newbie goalie any rebound you give up that is not directly in front of you will put you out of position and since the D’s not jumping in to clear the puck or th opposing forwards it almost always goes directly to an unmarked opposing forward who can just tap it in and there’s very little Boods can do about it. Even Patrick Roy’s left gigantic rebounds before, every goalie does it and 9 out of 10 times the D’s the one who saves them, our D can’t do that so it leaves Boods with no chance.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Nov 5, 2008 3:37 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But Dater also continues to rate Budaj’s play as basically an F..

His play hasn’t been consistent at all this year, but he has shown flashes of proper goaltending, provided the defense doesn’t abandon him.

You can’t judge a goalie’s performances when the players in front of him are so inconsistent. Budaj needs to know what the defense is going to do in order for him to know where he needs to position himself.
For example: If he knows the defense is going to defend the pass, Budaj can prepare himself for the shot without too much worrying where all the other opponent players are. If the defense “sometimes” defends the pass, he doesn’t know what he’s supposed to think and can’t prepare himself for ANY situation.

I also think that extensive shotblocking makes it harder for Budaj to find consistency in his game.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Nov 5, 2008 4:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

True, did Dater even mention that Raycroft was yanked against Columbus? No he just took a shot at Budaj.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Nov 4, 2008 5:47 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so he did mention the Raycroft crap fest….but still you get the point.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Nov 4, 2008 5:49 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome recap. What would have made it better? A picture of the face palm.

Because expressing how bad the Avs played last night in words just doesn’t work.

Red Wings Suck

by texacogirl on Nov 4, 2008 9:22 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

Red Wings Suck

by texacogirl on Nov 4, 2008 9:31 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there a Janeway facepalm out there (since we’re running the gamut on Star Trek captains)?

Red Wings Suck

by texacogirl on Nov 4, 2008 9:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nah

I just didn’t like that one as much.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Nov 5, 2008 5:06 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

it is TEH nerd classic, it’s even better in ASCII

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Nov 5, 2008 10:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He could have just recycled the Avs logo fail that showed up against the dead wings(i think) last year, that summed it up pretty well.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Nov 4, 2008 10:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah bit we are not at the “epic fail” point of the season yet. Plus, any loss to the Wings should be classified as a FAIL.

Red Wings Suck

by texacogirl on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know about the epic fail part, if we lose a few more games, especially because of piss-poor defense i’d say it’s an epic fail. It wou’nt be long before they have to decide whether to continue on and hope for the best or blood some younger players, have a rebuilding year, as sad as that would be for Sakic and would probably make his decision to retiore easier, and go for Tavares.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Nov 5, 2008 12:47 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

No matter how bad the Avs do, I don’t think it’s possible for them to be bad enough to have a shot at getting Tavares.

This year is not going to be a rebuilding year, but depending on where we place, next year or the year after could very well be.

by Drakenlot on Nov 5, 2008 6:16 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I fully endorse your comment about rebuilding.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Nov 5, 2008 10:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes we are

starts throwing towels randomly

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Nov 5, 2008 4:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Its weird

Last year he seemed like Frei wasn’t watching the games while Dater was and this year its seems to be the complete opposite, Frei watches the game and Dater watches what he wants to watch, which seems to be Budaj’s shocking play.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Well

I think I’m going to have to wear my newest jersey for the next game. But it’ll mean I won’t be drinking/eating while wearing it.

by Drakenlot on Nov 5, 2008 6:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Fasting, that could work….it might even help the Avs right?

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Dunno

But it’ll help keep my expensive jersey clean.

by Drakenlot on Nov 6, 2008 6:22 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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