Clark for Halak
by Savage33 on Nov 9, 2008 1:20 AM MST
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PrintAccording to Dater there's some rumours of a trade between the Avs and Canadiens that would send Clark to the Habs and backup goalie Halak to the Avs. It would be interesting to have Halak and Budaj on the same team as their both Slovaks and have probably played together before, plus he couldn't be worse than Raycroft. And just to fill in words maybe lightning would strike twice and we'd get another all star goalie for very little
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I would like this deal because I think it would ultimately strengthen two positions. We would get a backup goalie capable of making a glove save, and we could keep Cumiskey on to play for Clark when he’s gone. Also, don’t a lot of people have a problem with Clark’s contract?
I'd assume
people would have a problem with his contract, it’s something like 3.5 million. I like this deal as well, we have a fair bit of depth in D and Clark, along with the rest of our D hasn’t done much so it’ll shake things up. Plus you would think it can only help Budaj by having a competent backup who can challenge him plus both being Slovaks they could bond, become good friends and that can only help push each other to be the best.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Budaj IS the backup
If the Avs trade for a goalie, you better believe that guy will be the starter, and Budaj will be his backup, not the other way around.
Budaj is a good backup goalie, nothing more.
Budaj is a good backup goalie, nothing more.
You are disagreeing with almost the entire MHH community. On the other hand,
You are agreeing with Dater.
26 Card Jet
Maybe more people should agree with Dater. Look, Budaj has his fine points, and he’s a great teammate (so we’re told).
But the evidence is overwhelming—look at his stats. End of analysis.
by BraxtanFILM on Nov 11, 2008 10:53 AM MST up reply actions
But the evidence is overwhelming—look at his stats. End of analysis.
12 games is hardly a big enough sample size to call any evidence “overwhelming”
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 11, 2008 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Look at his career statistics. He is a marginal goaltender.
I want him to be great as much as the next Avs fan…but at some point we have to take our heads out of the sand.
You mean
The one’s that say he’s played only 138 games… which is about 2 full seasons? Is it really wise to give up on a goalie after 2 season’s worth of games, in which time he’s shown a lot of promise? Especially since he’s posted decent, not great not terrible, numbers.
Or how about the stats, as pointed out by Joe before the season, that as a starter his record before the season was a sparkling 31-10-7. This poor start this season has brought those numbers to 35-17-10 as a starter.
Or how about the stats in 2006 when he took over for an ineffective Theodore and played lights out going 14-1-2 over his last 17 starts with a sparkling ~2.06 GAA (i didn’t take the time to calculate the Save %)
The stats are inconclusive on whether he is starting goalie material. They are certainly not overwhelming
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 11, 2008 4:22 PM MST up reply actions
Or how about the stats in 2006 when he took over for an ineffective Theodore and played lights out going 14-1-2 over his last 17 starts
That period will forever be known as the 15-2-2 period, not the 14-1-2 period ;)
26 Card Jet
Yeah but
Theo had 2 starts, and was 1-1
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 12, 2008 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
If the Avs were trading for a goalie like Lehtonen or even, and as much as i mega loathe everyone who suggest this trade because it’s so stupid, Khabibulin I could see them being the starter and Boods being the backup, but if they trade for Halak he will be the backup and Boods will be the starter because Halak hasn’t proven he can be a starter while Boods has proven numerous times that when the defense does their job he is a proven starter.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Not sure
If the Avs trade for Halak, I’m assuming they will open up a goalie competition.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 10, 2008 8:20 AM MST up reply actions
I’m sure if Boods play continues to be somewhat streaky and Halak was here then eventually there would be some competition, not like the circus that was last year, but at the start Boods would be the starter given he’s used to the system, the streaky ass playing style and he’s the homegrown boy that the Avs seem to love.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
The problem is Montreal doesn’t have the cap space. If Clark is the piece, the Avs would have to take back another salary. Plus the Habs have a lot of big time UFAs in Tanguay, Koivu, Kovalev and Komisarek.
If the rumors about Lehtonen being available are true, the Avs may look there. I’m not sure if Montreal is a good fit.
Colorado Avalanche Prospects (www.avsprospects.blogspot.com)
by Angélique C. Murray on Nov 9, 2008 2:10 AM MST reply actions
I don’t know about the Kari Lehtonen deal. I think that the Avs would be better off with someone like Jaroslav Halak. But then again, I think Budaj has been playing pretty well and would hate to see him get a raw deal by bringing in another goalie. Like someone above mentioned it is not his fault that there has been more than a few rebounds that should have been cleared but turned into goals against. With some of the defense that has been played, St. Patrick himself would be struggling!
Long story short, I don’t think that we need a move for a goalie. At the beginning of the season maybe, but not now. I think it would it would destroy Budaj’s confidence beyond repair and would be lucky to get another shot somewhere else. Case and point, see David Aebischer.
"I can't hear Jeremy because I have my 2 Stanley Cup rings plugging my ears!" -Patrick Roy
I know this will face harsh criticism. But I think we push for Turco. Assuming there is veracity to the anger with him in Dallas, I would love to see him on our team. His initial bad run in the playoffs came at the hands of us and I think he has years left in him. But bring on the disagreement…
I disagree
and that’s all I’m saying on it because that’s all you asked for.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 10, 2008 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
and there you have it. The first fan to call for Turco. I don’t think he will play anywhere else but I’m sure that’s what the Habs said about Roy.
Red Wings Suck
I’d love to see Turco in a unipron, mainly because he’s one of my top three current goalies and he deserves something better than the long sleeve NBA jersey.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Throws up
I’m definitely not a fan of Turco. Need evidence? Here.
Now lets stop talking about crazy goalie trades. Budaj is here to stay.
26 Card Jet
Oh yeah, LEAGUE lowest saving %.
How do you think he will fair on a lesser team than Dallas?
26 Card Jet
That video is from 2 days ago? Man, I admit I feel sorry for the dude. I mean, I’ve seen half the goalies do something like that but luck out and not get burned.
I was watching that game, I couldn’t believe it, just another nail in what has been a bad season thus far for Turco and the Stars.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Nov 10, 2008 6:44 PM MST up reply actions
Do you hate Turco because of that one thing becaus eif you’re going to say we shouldn’t have a proven all star goalie because of one unlucky mistake then that’s pretty stupid. Just in case you fogot/weren’t aware. Patrick Roy almost cost teh Avs the Stranley Cup in 01 because of he was unlucky stickhandling the puck.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I fail to see how you think he’s terrible
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
No-one likes a smartass
You’re the one who thinks he’s terrible, at what exactly?
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Lol.
Okay, he was unlucky with his puck-handling, but overall he was just terrible at it. I didn’t mean for the puck-handling correction to be in a mocking tone. I was just correcting myself. However, FWIW, I’d rather be a smartass than a dumbass <3
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 11, 2008 2:42 AM MST up reply actions
I didn’t mean for the puck-handling correction to be in a mocking tone. I was just correcting myself</blockquote
Don’t take it personal, 95% of my conversations involve me talking shit about every little thing and ripping into people, It amuses me, but I think it annoys everyone else but what are you gonna do.
A smartass is always better than a dumbass.
Overall Turco’s probably one of the best stick/puck handlers in the game but it does seem he’s been pretty hopeless this year, whether it’s the addition of Avery and the destruction of the team he brought with him or not the big question.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Stupid Blockquote
I didn’t mean for the puck-handling correction to be in a mocking tone. I was just correcting myself
Don’t take it personal, 95% of my conversations involve me talking shit about every little thing and ripping into people, It amuses me, but I think it annoys everyone else but what are you gonna do.
A smartass is always better than a dumbass.
Overall Turco’s probably one of the best stick/puck handlers in the game but it does seem he’s been pretty hopeless this year, whether it’s the addition of Avery and the destruction of the team he brought with him or not the big question.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I don’t quite understand the sentence, but a league lowest save% is not very good, whichever way you put it. It is true, Turco has been an elite goalie in the past. But
1. We don’t need another starting goalie.
2. Turco is not playing very well after almost 20% of the season is over
3. We don’t need another starting goalie.
26 Card Jet
I pretty much disagree
with all those statements, if we had Turco he would be an upgrade on Boods, and that’s coming form one of the biggest budaj fans around, You say Turco’s played badly and lowest save % but youuse that to criticize his performance but forget it to criticize Budaj’s, we all admit the reason Boods are so bad is because of the defense but has anyone watched much of Dallas this year, is there defense any better than ours? Plus like i said before we have no idea how much the addition of Avery to an already douche filled team has made. Modano’s not happy aboput it and i’m sure his style of play has made a huge difference to the entire Dallas style of play.
I’m not saying we need another goalie to replace Budaj but If Turco was available and it wouldn’t cost us too much then i’m all for signing him because it would only strengthen our Goaltending situation
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Actually
What I have seen of Dallas, I feel comfortable saying their defense is much, much worse off right now.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 12, 2008 4:08 AM MST up reply actions
but youuse that to criticize his performance but forget it to criticize Budaj’s
Budaj’s is better than lowest.
The rest of your argument doesn’t come over as very compelling anyway. Yes, Turco would be a good goalie, but it’s like saying “I want Ovie on my team, cus Wolski is underperforming”.
Turco’s cap hit is 5.7M. That almost looks like the 6M/year we wasted on Theo. Putting such a cap on a goalie who’s not even performing better is not realistic at this point in the season.
26 Card Jet
Budaj’s is better than lowest
Not by much
Theo hadn’t done much after his hart season(which he only won because of politics) when we traded for him, Turco’s had consecutively good-great seasons and as has been pojnted out, their D is much worse than ours which means the exact same thing for Turco as it does for Budaj, the D’s not helping and he’s been hung out to dry.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Also
if you read my comments fully you’d have realized i said
I’m not saying we need another goalie to replace Budaj but If Turco was available and it wouldn’t cost us too much then i’m all for signing him
I know the chances of us getting him are nil anyway, BUT if we could get him that’d be great, not that we need him.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Turco
I don’t know why people don’t like Turco.. he’s a world class goalie. I know he’s been down this season, but he’ll be fine. If the Avs can get him without mortgaging their future I am absolutely 100% behind the idea. I like Budaj, as you all know, but Turco would be an upgrade.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 10, 2008 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
The last 3 comments have further destroyed my faith in mankind.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Just wait
One of these days behind a Dater bashing link is going to be a Rick Roll. That’s when you know it’s safe to lob hand grenades into every large crowd you see.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 12, 2008 4:09 AM MST up reply actions
Wait
It’s not safe yet, that must be why the cops were at my door this morning.
"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
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