Joe Sakic Just Had Hand Surgery- Out 3 More Months!

by Selanne on Dec 10, 2008 10:30 AM MST Comment 172 comments

This just came through on NHL LIVE! on the NHL Network.

Apparently, Sakic had hand surgery either last night or early this morning. The details on the NHL Live! radio show were sketchy, but apparently he had some sort of an accident involving a snowblower yesterday (!) and broke three fingers pretty badly (!!!). They are reporting he will be out at least 3 more months (!!!!!!!!!).

This is just becoming ridiculous. This is not the way one of the greatest players in history shoudl have to ride off into the sunset of his career.

I'll try to get more details as they become available.

Edit: Update from TSN.ca:

The Colorado Avalanche will be without captain Joe Sakic for longer than they originally expected.

The team announced Wednesday, that Sakic will miss approximately three months after undergoing surgery on Tuesday night to repair three broken fingers and tendon damage.

Sakic, who was slated to miss up to six weeks as he recovered from his herniated disc in his back, injured his hand at home in an incident that involved a snow blower.

"Joe's surgery was performed by a hand specialist," said Avalanche Team Doctor Andy Parker. "The procedure went well and he's expected to make a full recovery."

Sakic has only played in 15 games this season, recording two goals and 10 assists.
The 14-13-1 Avalanche are currently in ninth place in the Western Conference.

Edit 2: Adrian Dater's contribution says it all:

Unbelievable.

Edit 3: More from Dater's blog at All Things Avs:

Unbelievable.

Here’s the story I also have up on the denverpost.com main page:

Avalanche captain Joe Sakic will be sidelined at least three months, the team said this morning, after he suffered three broken fingers and tendon damage following an accident at his home involving a snow blower.
Sakic underwent surgery with a local hand specialist Tuesday night, the team said. Sakic suffered the injury Tuesday afternoon at his home. Sakic was already on injured reserve with a herniated disc in his back before the snow blower accident.
Avalanche vice president Jean Martineau said the accident happened to Sakic’s left hand, and that severe tendon damage occurred to one finger. That same finger and two others were broken.
“Basically, it’s a mistake. He’s a 39-year-old adult who made a mistake,” Martineau said. “He put his hand where he should not have put it. He’s, in a way, lucky. He’ll have a full recovery.”
Martineau said he visited Sakic in an unidentified hospital this morning, and that he was “very upset with himself.”
“He’s very, very mad at himself. I’ve never seen him like that, and I’ve known him for 21 years,” Martineau said. “He knows he made a mistake.”
Martineau said Sakic and the team will be asked “Why was a player with a bad back out using a snow blower?”
“You just have to walk with the machine. There was no problem for (Sakic) walking. The machine does all the work and it’s basically just going for a walk,” Martineau said. “It’s just an unfortunate thing that happened.”
The Avalanche said Sakic will not discuss the accident with the media until Dec. 23, after the team returns from a four-game road trip. He is expected to leave the hospital by this afternoon.

According to a 2005 Consumer Products Safety Commission study,
snowblowers were the “fourth leading cause of finger amputations” at
more than 1,000 per year and more than 5,000 emergency room visits.
And, that from 1992-2005 there were a reported nine deaths from
snowblower accidents.

*More thoughts on this: OK look, I know it’s going to be tempting to rip Sakic and make some snide jokes about this, but let’s give the guy a break on this one.
Yeah, I know everybody wants to ask “What the hell was he doing using a snowblower when a) He’s got a bad back and b) he’s got about $70 million in the bank?

I’ve never used a snowblower (and I definitely won’t in the future, after reading some of the scary stats that are in my story, about accidents involving them). But it does seem like it’s just like going for a little walk when I see people using them.

And, as Jean Martineau said, and knowing Sakic well myself can imagine, nobody is beating himself up more about this than No. 19 himself.

Just yesterday morning, after the Avs’ skate, I said hi to Sakic as he was on his way home. He was carrying a few Christmas presents - I think for a charity - and I kidded him about carrying anything with a bad back. He laughed and said they only weighed a couple of pounds.

I wish he hadn’t gone home and decided to clear his driveway himself just a few hours later. But I’m glad he’s still got his fingers at least. Let’s hope he’s back on the ice at some point this season - and he should, according to the timeline at least.

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Stunned

Holy crap. It’s as if the Kings can injure Avs players on game nights without even being on the ice with them.

by Pookie on Dec 10, 2008 10:43 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

As much as I love Burnaby Joe...

I thought I would be able to read over this thread without seeing anyone blame the Los Angeles Kings for yet another of the Avs’ injury woes. I was wrong…

Paul Lo Duca is MLB's Pablo Escobar..

by DodgerBlueBalls on Dec 10, 2008 1:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You totally underestimated us.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The Sarcasm runs VERY DEEP here….if you haven’t noticed.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s true. The Canary has been here a while, he knows what he’s talking about.

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

/facepalm it’s not meant to be.

by thedoctor on Dec 10, 2008 10:44 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

This is horrible news. Although Joe did say something about him not actually coming back before March…

Also, wasn’t there some Kevin Costner movie about a pitcher injuring his hand and having surgery and then working to make a great comeback? Can’t remember the name or anything…

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 10:52 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Was the pitcher also pretending his walking cane was a hockeystick?
I love Sakic like I love my own father, but he doesn’t deserve this. He needs to have a worthy retirement, and I actually feel we should not just retire his jersey, but also his “c” logo-style (not the Captain position all together, just that logo)

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I know it’s a different sport, just the hand thing made me think of it. Sorry if I offended…

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Don’t worry, I was being sarcastic. You’ve not once offended me with one of your post, where I can be rather trolly at times. The worst you’ve ever done was make me laugh, and I’m totally okay with that.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 11:37 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Okay, we can be friends…

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 11:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

WOW, I’m a blog about it right away. Maybe that other friend I have will like you too!

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think they should retire the C logo style, It fits with the number style quite well. It should definitly be on his jersey when they raise it to the rafters, I don’t know if teams do that for captains or not but they need to for him.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

For Love of the Game

Kelly Preston wore about 298572 layers of makeup in that movie. Super gross.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 3:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you! That has been bugging me all afternoon. And yes, she did. I didn’t say it was a good movie.

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

No problem.

I’m a crazy fan of sports movies (good and bad), so I figured I’d finish off the alley-oop.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 3:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, wasn’t there some Kevin Costner movie

How does he keep getting work.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I know! I feel the same way about Richard Gere. Blech!!!!

by Pookie on Dec 10, 2008 6:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I just made a fanshot of that!

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 10:54 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

bumped to the front page (I hope you don’t mind, I edited all the caps out of the title)

The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 10, 2008 11:39 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

It does look a bit more professional like this.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 11:47 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

BUT ALL CAPS MAKES IT EXCITING!!!

:-)

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 11:53 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You also need multiple exclamation points after every single sentence, thats when you know you’ve made it.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:03 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Ya

Had I intended it for the fucking front page I would have made it more professional, but it was a damn fanpost.

Mir ist egal.

by Selanne on Dec 10, 2008 10:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

So I suppose “BREAKING” would have been inappropriate in the title. Or appropriate.

I’m way beyond caring about injuries at this point. Deep sigh.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 11:58 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, but with Sakic it’s extra super-duper sad, as this is most likely his last season and shouldn’t go out on a low note

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 11:59 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Who said he’s going out? He’s going to have a HUGE April.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 12:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I can’t tell if MHHJoe is being sarcastic, but I seriously do believe something like this might make Joe#19 furiously determined to come back from this and be big. At the time of the accident, he must’ve thought he could have stupidly ended his own career. And it must have hurt like hell (breaking three fingers plus tendon damage? Ugh!) It sounds like most people lose their hands in these types of accidents.

I can’t believe so many are saying this is the sad ending to his career. I don’t think Joe would give up so easily. I wouldn’t be surprised if he came back next year BECAUSE of this dumb accident.

by Pookie on Dec 10, 2008 12:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

this might make Joe#19 furiously determined to come back from this and be big

Or break his walking stick and never show up on the scoresheet anymore.

I hate to be this pessimistic, but let’s all be realistic

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 1:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Let’s all quit speculating and just see what happens.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This is why I like you

because we both take the “Let’s shut up and see what happens” stance.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 3:22 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

here here!

When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 10, 2008 5:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Joe was the first one to “speculate” and say Sakic will be back with “a HUGE April.”
Just sayin’
;-)

by Pookie on Dec 10, 2008 6:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It was a darkly sarcastic comment, of course.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 11, 2008 6:36 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

This is worse than trading for Theo after he slipped on the ice on his doorstep.

Why Joe, WHY?

(I seriously started out thinking this whole thing was someone’s poor attempt to be humorous)

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Dec 10, 2008 12:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I double-checked the calendar to make sure I hadn’t fallen asleep for three months and it was April already.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 12:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The real Culprit

I blame Jordan Leoprone!

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 12:28 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

You’re wrong, and I’ll tell you why: It’s Budaj’s fault! He should’ve offered to blow the snow for Sakic

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 1:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

So to speak.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:13 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I heard the finger tried to leave because the Snowblower offered it $14M over 4 years.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 12:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

nicely done

The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 10, 2008 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Jokes

They are a defense mechanism to hide the pain.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That’s what I tell all my ex-girlfriends. They have no sense of humor.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

…or taste in men, it seems

The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 10, 2008 2:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

you said “blower”

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 12:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

$$$$

On the upside, that just freed up a #@(* load of salary cap space should the Avs want to bring in a player or two…

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 12:36 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

There is NO upside to SuperJoe being injured.
And that, sir, is sacrilege!
Now pray to St. Patty for forgiveness and buy some game tickets for yourself to make up for it

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 1:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Say the Avalanche pray ten times every 6th hour of the day, and make darn sure that you are facing Denver when doing so!

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Dec 10, 2008 1:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It worked out all right last season. People who pray also tend to believe that everything happens for a reason. I don’t buy it, but ’tis a free country, so whatever floats your boat.

There are two things the Avalanche can do:
a) Feel sorry for themselves
b) Use it as an opportunity to get better

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

you forgot #3. Amputate the toes before finding out it was his fingers that need surgery.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry for your loss

I feel like I should send you guys a sympathy card or something. Just unbelievable.

Lighthouse Hockey: a New York Islanders blog with hip issues.

by Dominik on Dec 10, 2008 1:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

This helps a little bit….

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

A sympathy card from an Islanders fan? Wow, the Avs really have reached a low point.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

:)

Huh. well! I was going to tuck Jon Sim into that sympathy card, but I guess someone just doesn’t like nice things, now does he? :)

Lighthouse Hockey: a New York Islanders blog with hip issues.

by Dominik on Dec 10, 2008 4:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I just died a little inside. I think we need to form a group that does ALL of Sakic’s shoveling, chores, driving, etc. for him to avoid any further possible injuries.

by Rather Dashing on Dec 10, 2008 1:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I’m trying to figure out why a guy who makes $6 million a year operates a snowblower himself. Hire people, Joe!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

But at the same time, it’s so Joe. I mean, he just seems like the type of guy who would do his own work around the house.

by Rather Dashing on Dec 10, 2008 2:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Every hockey player except for Sean Avery seems like that kind of guy.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

And phadouche, he might walk into a ladder and then hide in the bush.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Joe

has a 12-year old son. I used to shovel my parents walk at 12 in order, and I would also shovel the elderly neighbors walk.

I blame him for being a lazy good-for-nothing kid.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

In his defense, he was probably at the rink trying to be a great hockey player like his dad. He’s excused for that.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

No offense to Joe’s kid, but no-one’s gonna be as good a leader/player as Super Joe was (/will be(?)). Not even his kid.
It’s not like his last name is Stastny and his dad used to play for the Nordiques/Avalanche franchise.

What now? Somebody scout this kid!

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Unless he gets drafted by Detroit.

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:38 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

i can imagine the pain you'll feel....

….if 10-15 years from now, Joe Sakic suddenly becomes a regular at Joe Louis Arena (or it’s replacement)….

by ahtrap on Dec 10, 2008 3:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You really think Detroit, as a city, will still be around 10-15 years from now?

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 3:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Given the homicide rate and the decline of the American auto industry, it’s almost certain to be part of Kazakstan by then…

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 3:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

or at school.

by InYoFace on Dec 10, 2008 2:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If he was at the rink becoming a great hockey player he wouldn’t really need school, would he. Think about it.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:07 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Some people like to do the work themselves. Even if I made $6 mil a year there are certain things I would still do myself. I just like to work in the yard and see the fruits of my labor.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s true. The Canary knows all about hard work.

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

What does this mean for 1. Capspace and 2. How much Joe will actually be paid.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Dec 10, 2008 1:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I really don’t care. At all.

by Rather Dashing on Dec 10, 2008 1:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

If you care about the Avs then you should care about this by extension.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Dec 10, 2008 2:29 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

when players hit IR like this, there’s probably insurance to cover the hit.

by thedoctor on Dec 10, 2008 1:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m 99% sure the team will cover his full salary. They are not obligated to, but the more highly regarded ones take care of their players, especially their stars.

Montreal and Pittsburgh paid Koivu and Lemieux when they had cancer. Buffalo didn’t pay Teppo when he had his heart condition last year. (Not a whole lot of players outside of Buffalo think much of management their as a result). I highly doubt the Avs wouldn’t take care of Sakic, but you never know.

As for the cap hit, it is my understanding that the Avs get whatever Sakic’s pro-rated salary back for as long as the player is on IR. So, if Joe is making $6 million and spends half the year on IR, the Avalanche are allowed to go $3 million over the cap.

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought all contracts were guaranteed in the new CBA?

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 3:53 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You’re right for hockey-related injuries, but I’m quite sure it doesn’t cover off-ice incidents like this.

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 9:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

WTF?! That’s like asking “how much did he left me” right after your grandpa died.

Okay, I might be overreacting, but please show some courtesy. If you really must know, google it or something

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Joe isn’t dead. He will be back.

I don’t find it disrespectful to discuss the effects an accident has on my favorite hockey team, sorry if you see it this way.

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s more like somebody’s parents were in a car accident and going to be in the hospital for awhile, we are asking who is going to take care of the kids?

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Calm down, feisty. Those are legitimate questions.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

it’s not something that takes a lot of time to figure out for yourself and it just sounds a bit harsh to me.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Take a deep breath and realize that this is you breathing…

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 3:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Its more like, how much do we have to pay for the funeral after gramps dies. Is there money for a wake?

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

As a Flames fan, I would prefer he is never in the lineup against us, as he kills us every time, but that absence should have happened only when he chose to hang them .

Hopefully he does make a full recovery, and does so in time to get a few more games in, either late this year, or next year. Sakic deserves to go out on his own terms.

by Resolute on Dec 10, 2008 2:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Kind words from a Flames fan? It’s a cold day somewhere.

But thanks. You’re definitely right.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

The Avalanche said Sakic will not discuss the accident with the media until Dec. 23, after the team returns from a four-game road trip. He is expected to leave the hospital by this afternoon.

why then?

The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

To make everyone’s Christmas a little merrier.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Merrier?

He probably say, i got attacked by a snowblower and then leave the press conference, sounds more like it’ll annoy more people.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the official Avalanche media czar is on the road with the team and Joe isn’t allowed to answer questions without an official briefing?

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe he’s resigning but wants to just give it some time to get used to the idea

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Or maybe he’s embarrassed and in pain and doesn’t want to rush right up in front of the cameras.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Does he go back to Canada to be with family for the holidays? Maybe he doesn’t want to deal with the media at all, so he put it off as long as possible, then he’ll say his piece and disappear for a few weeks?

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably doesn’t want to distract the team, seems like something he’d do.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Recovery…he’s probably pretty doped up on pain killers right now.

That and feeling a bit sheepish…

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s true. The Canary knows all about feeling sheepish…

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think this may be my fault...

I have a confession. I think the Avs woes starting with the Wings series last playoffs and now Sakic’s troubles may be my fault. Last spring, I met a girl, she was a hockey fan. This made her awesome in my eyes. However, she turned out to be a wings fan.

That’s over, but a few weeks ago I started dating another girl. She, too, likes hockey. Way more than girl #1. In fact her family was/is season ticket holders… of the Wings.

You think I woulda learned after the first one. But, I guess once I find out a girl is a hockey fan I become blind to the potential ramifications. Like this year, if we lose the season series to the wings, I have to put up a picture of myself on facebook wearing one of those terrible winged wheel jerseys for the whole playoffs. However, if we win, she does the same with an Avs jersey.

So, I apologize. The hockey gods are scorning the Avs due to my indescretions.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Dec 10, 2008 2:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I can honestly say that being a Wings fan would be an instant deal breaker, no matter how hot she was (or how lonely I was). It’s tough enough dating a Kentucky fan as it is.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Better look into the family tree...

This coming from a girl from North Alabama, so all in fun. :-)

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 2:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Ohhh yeah

Absolutely it is. I couldn’t date someone who actively cheered for the organization I hate with every fiber of my being. There’s just too much bad blood already there.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 3:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

My F-I-L is a Wild fan. Not even sure why, hasn’t lived in Minny for about a hundred years. Definitely makes our marriage tougher.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That's your biggest nit?

That’s what makes your marriage tougher? What about the fact that he’s batshit crazy? What about the fact that he might quite maybe possibly sort of think that John Van Boxmeer still plays in the NHL? And that’s just the tip of the Jim-berg. The Wild thing is what you focus on? Really?

Sakic should really be paying a neighborhood kid to shovel his walk. The cap questions are legit, as are the murmurs that if we hadn’t re-signed him in the off-season at a nowhere-near-hometown discount, the team would probably be better (certainly deeper). But maybe we wouldn’t have seen the red-headed Cody penalty box goal celebration/taunt, so I can’t say it’s would have been all good news.

by Dan Winkler on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

ahhh yes

Nothing like the comedy coming from a Bob vs. Dan part 7 to lighten the mood.

by InYoFace on Dec 10, 2008 4:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

But we love each other.

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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 4:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I certainly didn’t say it was my biggest nit. Just one of many.

I’ve said all along that Sakic would look a lot better this season for less of a cap hit. And I truly don’t know if smiley is even smart enough to have explored that option. Interview for a new head coach? Why bother! Negotiate with Joe for a reasonable contract? Hell no!

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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 4:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Kudos on getting a girl that likes hockey, and I’m sure the entire family can be turned.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Have you met any Wings fans? Those people are unreachable.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 10, 2008 2:33 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah but girls are also unreachable, maybe they’re like multiplying negative numbers with one another…

(this was sarcasm, I like girls. ALOT. Holler at me if you’re reading this and feel that you might want to hook up.)
(Okay, that was way too lame, but you know what I meant, right? RIGHT?)

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 2:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I have an “open marriage” with Mike and an “open relationship” with Joe. I guess one more couldn’t hurt…

by Mrs @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 2:59 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, whaaaa?

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 3:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

SSSSHHHH

Something beautiful is happening here…

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 4:23 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You’re telling me.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 11, 2008 6:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Merry Christmas everybody!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 11, 2008 6:39 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not so sure about that… the parents sound fanatical. However it’s not too serious, so if an equally attractive/interesting avs fan came along, bingo.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Dec 10, 2008 2:39 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Lucky you. My girlfriend is not a wings fan, but she wouldn’t let me name my new puppy Foppa. I wanted to, but I guess its all you now buddy….

I blame it all on my goalie

by TheRed on Dec 10, 2008 4:24 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought we decided it was going to be names Savage, after the king of the world.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

nope, your reach is not that long.....

But I can’t name it foppa either, so Barley it is

I blame it all on my goalie

by TheRed on Dec 10, 2008 5:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Its hard enough being good friends with a Wings fan, fact he was one of about 5 people i knew in high school that liked hockey help a bit, but dating someone would be incredibly difficult.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:12 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought this was a joke.

Well…at least his back will probably be healed!

Anyway, I guess it’s pointless to fire Granato now…looks like this season is going to be rubbish…

The Angry Avalanche Nerd.

by BraxtanFILM on Dec 10, 2008 2:40 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

So long as there is a breath in His body, He will never give up and so mustn’t we.

Plus Peter Forsberg and Sundin are still out there as a too, albeit long shots.

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

*are still out there. I dunno wtf I was doing after that.

The artist formerly known as ClaudeLemieux

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 2:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

HFS

So, how good is that Tavares kid again?

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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 3:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Not as good

as the Hedman kid.

Yes, I have taken an official stance on who I would pick with the number one pick.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 3:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well in June we may be saying “We’re number one,” but not due to the SC playoffs.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

last i checked

you still have a winning record, and it’s not like Sakic has been around for all the games so far…besides, the Fireflies (formerly known as the lightning) might have something to say about the #1 pick…

by ahtrap on Dec 10, 2008 3:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I have faith that Granato can lead us to new lows.

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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 3:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

never underestimate the power of tony granato...

….to screw things up, eh?

by ahtrap on Dec 10, 2008 3:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't let the facts get in the way there, Woody

How is overpaying for Hannan and Smyth and Liles and paying at all for Tucker even remotely Granato’s fault? He has basically the same mediocre crap that the mustachioed one had last year, minus the goalie going into career contract mode and minus the cavalry of Foote/Forsberg/Salei.

by Dan Winkler on Dec 10, 2008 4:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

How is overpaying for Hannan and Smyth and Liles and paying at all for Tucker even remotely Granato’s fault?

Liles is not overpaid. He’s probably about 1.5M under market value. I do agree that Hannan and Smyth’s salaries are questionable, but they were the biggest names out there at the time of the trade deadline.
I still don’t mind Tucker 2.2M for the game he brings. I do , however, believe he’s tried to take out someone’s legs before and haven’t forgiven him for that just yet.

minus the goalie going into career contract mode

That was only in last few months of the season.

and minus the cavalry of Foote/Forsberg/Salei

Foote is up and skating again. Salei is currently playing better than he was during last season (excluding play-offs). And Foppa played all of 9 games last season.

Suck on that subsection

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 4:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry, salei has been awful. :( no physicality, no chemistry, less shooting.

by thedoctor on Dec 10, 2008 8:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said smiley was a genius. But Tony G. took the keys to a Porche and rammed it into a brick wall (losing in the first round to Minny in his first year). He surely won’t be able to take this rent-a-wreck anywhere. And say what you will about Q, but the Avs were at least competitive with tons of injuries last season.

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by Bob in Boulder on Dec 10, 2008 4:40 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps I'm missing something...

But aren’t the Avs only 2 pts off of where they were last year, 1 pt out of the 8th seed and 4 pts out of the 4th?? I know it seems the team has been horrendous much of this year and that .500 is daunting, but…I’m highly optimistic right now. Yeah it is a huge blow to lose Super Joe like this, but I think it might be just what the youngins need to step up and rock the joint. I’m just sayin…

When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 10, 2008 5:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah it is a huge blower to lose Super Joe like this

Fixed

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Rock the joint?

What? You talk like me?

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 11, 2008 2:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Come on

I know you’ve got a hard on (the bad one, not the good one) for Granato, but going back to his supposed mismanagement of that “golden” Avs team doesn’t prove anything about your silly statement, that’s he’s leading us to new lows. Examples? Of course you don’t have any.

doc, if Salei has been awful etc., then what’s Hannan been? At $3 million/year, he’s been just fine. Why is he the guy who gets ripped while Pippen (or is it Merry?) just cashes his paychecks and does nothing?

We don’t make the playoffs last season without Forsberg and Salei and Foote, it’s as simple as that. Giguere, for all his faults, is the one who bought the Avs 2 more rounds than they should have gotten.

And tommmmm, on what planet is JM Liles worth more than $5 million/year? When he’s playing well, he’s maybe worth $4 mil. (Then again, in a world where Pippen/Merry is worth $4.5, that means Salei is worth at least $6-$7. So maybe you’re right.)

The 2nd highest paid Avs have given us pretty much nothing in almost 1-and-a-half seasons. They account for 26 percent of our total team salary and have not been worth it, not by a longshot. It’s a big, big problem.

by Dan Winkler on Dec 10, 2008 8:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You could say that no hockey player is worth x million a year, but by NHL pay standards, Liles is worth every bit of his salary. Look at some of the signings last off season, esp. Kurt Sauer and Jeff Finger’s.

He is the team’s best skating and puck moving defensemen. He has big offensive capabilities and unlike most offensive defenseman, isn’t a liability in his own zone.

He’s also the team’s only young, good d-guy. Sure, there are some prospects, but none of them are ready to work an NHL power play just yet. Liles is one of the Avs’ best blueliners now and he’s only going to get better.

Also, the Avs payroll is right around 50 million, so Liles makes approx 10% of the payroll.

by JonHaven on Dec 10, 2008 9:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sauer

Sauer is a bad example because he is a steal for Phoenix. That said, Liles has been the Avs best defender this season, has improved his defense and physicality, and has been worth every penny. (also he’s making $4.5M not 5+)

And I don’t think Hannan has played as bad as everyone else. He has been up against the best lines night in and out and he has performed ok in my opinion. He was advertised as a stay at home defenseman that would take a guy and make him out of position. The only thing I’ve been disappointed with Hannan is that he’s so bad with the puck on his stick. He has so many bad clears, which is a problem. Other than that I think he’s been fine.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 9:41 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

According to this Liles is making 3.7M this year. Adding 1.5M would make 5.2M and would still be reasonable for his play.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 11, 2008 2:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You're right

I don’t know why I was thinking $4.5. His cap hit (which is all we care about) is $4.2M

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 11, 2008 8:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I know the economy in Europe is stronger than ours right now, but $5.2M for Liles would be too much as far as I’m concerned. He no longer contributes much of anything offensively and his defense is not the kind that changes games. He’s good, no doubt about it, but he doesn’t deserve $5M. Not yet.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 11, 2008 8:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

He has rather ’ underperformed’ the last season, as in that he hasn’t reached the potential they expected of him. Don’t forget that he was 8th in points at the time he was a RFA and was very sought after. I think his contract was one of the most positive things (capwise) that happened to the Avs in a long time.

I’m saying that if Liles would’ve been a RFA a year earlier, he definitely would’ve made 5M/y

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 11, 2008 8:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Just look at the D contracts being handed out when he signed during RFA. It was crazy and I wouldn’t have been surprised to see JML go for 4,5/5 M/year. and I’m pretty sure that was his market value at the time. The guy is just a big block of potential who might never pay off, but teams pay a lot nowadays for potential.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I was unaware there were two different kinds of hard on. I’ll make a note of that.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Dec 11, 2008 6:41 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sweet

They can draft Tavares, shift Stamkos to the wing where he belongs, and play then 11 minutes a night together! Then we can have Hedman at 2. Please?

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like a plan!!!

Also, with they way they’ve run the franchise into the ground this season, does anybody in ‘Ning land actually believe that the front office wouldn’t screw the pooch on the #1 pick?

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 10, 2008 3:58 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds like a plan!!!

Or we could just make the play-offs and see Cpt. Clutch/Super Joe do his tricks one more time (assuming he doesn’t retire),

Tom
(See, I can be positive….)

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 4:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the Avs are at more risk of getting in the mediocre cycle. Too good to draft well and too bad to go deep in playoff money making land.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Dec 10, 2008 4:28 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

don’t underestimate the Avs abilities to get injured.

by InYoFace on Dec 10, 2008 4:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn’t the team in full injury mode as it is? It’s about as bad as last year.
Perfect time to bring Foppa on and let him shine on the bench together with the other cripples though.

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Dec 10, 2008 4:36 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Some wierd comments

on this report on other sites.

1. I think its cool that Super Joe does ‘Average Joe’ things. Paying a kid to do it might be difficult in that neighborhood since all the kids have rich parents and don’t have to work for anything. I’m not saying kids by his house are spoiled….or wait, that is exactly what I’m saying.

2. I’ve seen snowblowers that are basically lawnmowers with the amount of effort needed. They can move forward on their own, you just need to steer. It should be a fine activity with his ailing back.

3. Also, we don’t really know how much Sakic’s back hurts him. So some of the judgments that Sakic should not have been outside snowblowing in the first place has little merit I think.

by InYoFace on Dec 10, 2008 4:44 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

The fact he couldn’t play for 6 weeks shows how bad his back is IMO, he seems like he’d try and play as much as he could regardless of injury.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 10, 2008 5:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I think your right.

I just wanted to make the point that I think some people are unfairly judging him especially on local radio stations today. We don’t know all the details. Did he stick his hand in the machine? Did he slip and fall into the machine? Did a wizard transform the snowblower into a mini-dragon that bit his hand? “Find out next week on…..”

by InYoFace on Dec 10, 2008 5:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sakic

2 cups, the cities first professional championship , and probably " Abe Lincoln" to John Elway’s “George Washington” on the Colorado Sports Mt. Rushmore.

And since he doesn’t have any crappy car dealerships he gets an eternal pass from me.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 5:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Great way to put it

I’m not entirely sure who else would go on that mountain, but it would be an awesome one.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Personally I think Foppa or Roy and Alex English go up there as well, but there’s some old timeys that need to be considered. Buzz “Whizzer” White was a Stud and Supreme Court Justice. That’s impressive.

I can’t think of a Rockie who tops any of those 4 as far as relevance to Denver goes. Maybe Helton, but His problem is his team sucked so bad.

As for Broncos it’s hard to pick another besides Elway. Maybe TD, and maybe Gradishar or Tom Jackson. Craig Morton?

Anyways my 4:

Elway, Sakic, Foppa and English

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 10, 2008 11:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I refrained from naming anybody because I haven’t been alive long enough to truly appreciate all of the greats in Denver’s history. That being said, I’m sad to see you didn’t even think to name Floyd Little. You could be on the HoF voting committee =p

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Little

Yeah he probably should be on the short list of candidates. I think it’s harder to pick a football player because there’s so many that contribute to the success of the team. I mean Gary Zimmerman deserves to be on the list too as a HoF offensive lineman. And Tom Nalen has always been under appreciated. Dennis Smith, Steve Atwater, Louis Wright. all those guys deserve consideration but I don’t think any of them had the cultural impact on Denver than the 4 I listed did, however I can’t really be sure because I’m not old enough to remember before the Broncos were any good.

After thinking about it though I think Roy should replace Forsberg on the Mt Rushmore, mainly because he’s the greatest goalie ever.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 11, 2008 8:10 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

No love for Mecklenberg? Did I spell that right?

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeesh

Yes, but there’s the problem there’s too many great, but not legendary, Denver Broncos sports heroes.

The Avs have had more Legendary players, even thought the Broncos have been more significant culturally in Denver.

I believe in Peter Budaj

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 11, 2008 11:26 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

my personal Rushmore would have had Roy and not Forsberg (Mostly because I was trying to avoid putting Elway and 3 hockey players). I definitely agree about there being so many players that contribute to success, but I think Floyd Little had an enormous impact in beginning the transformation of Denver from cowtown to sports town.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 11, 2008 2:27 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Roy deserves his own Mt Roymore, 4 carvings of him, making a save, standing in net, punching osgood and holding his 3 Conn Symthes, just to piss brodeur off.

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Dec 11, 2008 5:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

And they should locate it somewhere in Jersey, just to finally give that state something worth seeing…

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 11, 2008 6:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

GD it

&(^(&(#$&(Q@&#&

I thought this was a fucking joke when I first saw it. This is not Sakic’s season for sure but the Joe Sakic rule still applies, eh?

He is damn lucky he didn’t lose a hand or the fingers. I’m with others in thinking that Sakic will come back and play his heart out… and maybe even come back next year now.

Red Wings Suck

by texacogirl on Dec 10, 2008 5:08 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

It's amazing

that you managed to hold down the shift key and bang your face only on the number keys. I’m impressed.

They call me Bubblegum.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 10, 2008 10:17 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone mention sarcasm?

My anti-hockey son (yes I know, some type of genetic defect I think) said, “Look on the bright side mom… at least it wasn’t a wood chipper!”

Who knew Joe was such a do-it-yourself-er? This is just another good reason I avoid manual labor and heavy machinery. I’d bet money Granato has issued a moratorium on all player DIY projects. “And that includes scrapbooking!” Seriously, this is awful news but who knows, maybe the injury isn’t as bad as it sounds. I doubt this is the end for him. After all, he IS Joe Sakic.

"The difference between winning and losing? Getting more goals than the other team. Would you like to sit down and I'll explain it to you?" Lappy 2008

by Rookie14 on Dec 10, 2008 9:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

You not married are you?

Just try to avoid the “Hunny Do List” His fingers would be the least of his concerns….

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Dec 11, 2008 12:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Svatos

I have read the articles on the usual pages, but has anyone over there in the Rockies, not sequestered on the East Coast like me, heard any update on Svatos?

by c6hor8 on Dec 11, 2008 10:18 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Good question.

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Dec 11, 2008 11:16 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve been looking around but have found nothing. Even the local radio stations just said he has some sort of injury but they don’t think its too serious. Which means ________?

by InYoFace on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs