Game 31: Flyers 5, Avalanche 2
Photo by Tom Mihalek (AP)
Welcome back to earth, Avalanche fans. Just 24 hours after topping the hated Red Wings, the Avalanche lost to the Philadelphia Flyers. The Flyers beat the Avs the way I thought the Red Wings were going to - by eventually overwhelming the Avalanche with a potent offensive attack.
I poke fun of the Altitudes and their - shall we call it "team-friendly" approach to calling a game? - but I have to give props to Peter McNab. He said early on that, with the Avalanche in the 2nd night of back-to-back road games, the Avs would need to get out to an early lead on Philadelphia. If they fell behind, they probably wouldn't have the energy to come back. He also said that special teams would be a huge key in the game. He was right on both counts.
The Avs did come out with jump, and put up 13 shots on Philadelphia goalie Anterri Niitymaki in the first period. And, they scored the all-important first goal. At the 9:23 mark, with the Avs on a powerplay, Paul Stastny won an offensive faceoff and kicked the puck into the corner. Both Flyer defensemen - Kimmo Timonen and Ossi Vaananen - went behind the goal line to retrieve the puck, and both failed. Timonen got tied up by Ryan Smyth and Vaananen got manhandled by Milan Hejduk (uh, we miss you Ossi). Meanwhile, the puck lazily trickled to the front of the net, where Stastny scored an easy goal.
The early lead didn't hold up. Mike Knuble scored a PP marker from the goal crease despite being surrounded by three Avalanche defenders. It seemed like we were headed to a doable 1-1 tie after 1. But, late in the first and with the Avalanche on a powerplay, the puck took a bad karem to the stick of Simon Gagne leading to a 2-on-1 the other way. Gagne moved up ice before feeding Jeff Carter at the last minute. Carter buried it to give the Flyers their 12th freaking shorthanded goal of the season.
It also effectively buried the Avs. Colorado played hard in the 2nd, but the Flyers were just too much. As the period wore on, the ice began to tilt a bit and more and more action was taking place in the Avalanche zone. At the 11:24 mark, Joffrey Lupul rushed in on the right wing and slammed on the brakes, sending Daniel Tjarnqvist sprawling to the ice. This gave Lupol plenty of room to fire a terrific shot past Peter Budaj to make it 3-1. About 90 seconds later, the puck took a wild hop off the top of the net. Budaj lost sight of it and in the scramble to find it either he or Scott Hannan knocked the puck in to the net. That made it 4-1, and the rest of the game was a formality. David Jones added another highlight-reel goal (a gorgeous deflection of a TJ Hensick shot) to make it 4-2, but Simon Gagne scored on the PP early in the third to finish out the scoring for the night. By then, it was so over that Simon Gagne skipped part of the final period to get a massage.
Maybe I'm still riding high from the Detroit win, but I'm not too broken up over the loss. I thought the team played well overall in what was supposed to be a brutal pair of games. This game got away from them in the end, and it's as clear as ever that the Avalanche need to find a bonafide scorer for their 2nd line (in addition to Forsberg, I mean), but I can live with grabbing two points from two of the league's best teams.
The forward lines were unchanged from the Detroit game (Altitude listed them wrong during the broadcast). After the game, Philippe Dupuis was sent back to Lake Erie, so obviously the team expects one of the three injured forwards - Svatos, Tucker or Guite - to play on Thursday.
On defense, Ruslan Salei was scratched for Daniel Tjarnqvist. I'm on record as saying that Tjarnqvist has played well, and I know many folks were up in arms over the scratch. Personally, I would rather see him filling in for injuries rather than bumping other guys out of the lineup. He's good, but he's not going to be great (he still seems good for one big gaffe a game, like on the Lupol goal). He's an excellent depth player, and, potentially someone who could step in if the Avs need to move a defenseman (or trade bait himelf). But let's not get carried away with the letter-writing campaign to keep him in the lineup.
- Stastny has 10 points (4g, 6a) in 9 games since getting branded with the non-scarlet letter. He has a point in 6 of those 9 games.
- Chris Stewart had his first NHL fight when he challenged Aaron Asham after Asham checked David Jones into the Flyers' bench. As usual, the Altitude cameras missed the start of the fight. Stewart took Asham down eaily and quickly.
- Dupuis won 9 of his 12 faceoffs and the Avs won 64% overall.
The worst is over. The Avalanche finish up the 4 game road trip with an extended swing through Florida. The Avs take on the lowly Lightning on Thursday before visiting the better-than-you-think Florida Panthers on Sunday.
CRASH!!! That's the sound of the Avs falling back down to Earth after an improbable win last night in Detroit. And that's not to say that the Avs didn't play well tonight, because they did. But they just seemed to be a bit outmatched by a better team who wanted it more, and who managed a few lucky bounces on the way. - Adam Hersch, An Avalanche of Thoughts
The Avalanche had beaten the Flyers five straight times. Philadelphia's previous win over Colorado was 2-1 in overtime in 2002. The Flyers hadn't won a meeting in Philadelphia since 1999, also in overtime, 5-4. - AP
For the first time since being acquired at the trade deadline last season, Avalanche defenseman Ruslan Salei was a healthy scratch in Tuesday's game against Philadelphia. But Avs coach Tony Granato tried to downplay the move that saw Daniel Tjarnqvist take his place in the lineup. "We've got seven NHL defensemen. I didn't want Daniel to sit out another month and a half," Granato said. "Rusty is a big part of our team, and he's going to play." - Adrian Dater, Denver Post
Tjarnqvist played well in his first nine games but wasn't at his best against the Flyers. He logged the fewest minutes (14:22) of the defensemen, had one shot on goal and was a minus-2. - Rick Sadowski, Rocky Mountain News
Salei being a healthy scratch tonight definitely got some conspiracy theorists going about him. - Adrian Dater (on the possibility that the Avalanche might be working to trade for Chris Drury), All Things Avs
After the strong start to the game, the Avs' special teams started to go haywire. With Wojtek Wolski in the penalty box for holding, Mike Knuble tied it up for Philadelphia on the power play at 11:37. Then, with 1:48 left in the period and the Avs on the power play, Colorado's Brett Clark was caught as the lone defenseman back on a 2-on-1 short-handed break between Jeff Carter and Gagne. Carter's one-timer beat Budaj, who was late sliding from left to right. It was Philadelphia's league-leading 12th short-handed goal. - Adrian Dater, Denver Post
Poor special-teams play was more than enough to sink the Avalanche against the NHL's hottest team Tuesday night. - Rick Sadowski, Rocky Mountain News
Joffrey Lupul also scored for the Flyers, and Gagne had two assists to go with his goal. Gagne was not on the ice for the Flyers' last power play, but the club said he was having his neck massaged and was not injured. - Sam Carchidi, Philadelphia Inquirer
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Then, with 1:48 left in the period and the Avs on the power play, Colorado’s Brett Clark was caught as the lone defenseman back on a 2-on-1 short-handed break between Jeff Carter and Gagne. Carter’s one-timer beat Budaj, who was late sliding from left to right. … – Adrian Dater, Denver Post
It’s inane shite like this that drives me crazy. No, I’m not talking about Budaj or the goal, I’m talking about Dater. There are two rules to the proper defense of a 2-on-1: First rule: Goalie takes the shooter. It’s a simple rule, but you’d be surprised on how many people don’t know that. Second Rule: The defensemen should take away the pass, either by positioning himself in such a way to make said pass extremely low priority, or by breaking up the pass with his stick. Another pretty simple rule to remember, but also often overlooked. But before I completely loose my mind on this one, let’s look at the goal… OK, it was the definition of a bad bounce that started the breakout for Philly, followed by Clark getting back in relatively good position, but he wasn’t positioned to force a tough pass, and he whiffed on the pass. I don’t see Budaj moving slowly, I don’t see him reacting late. The puck is always faster than the skater, AD. Haven’t you seen Miracle on Ice? The only way (and by only way, I mean ONLY WAY), Budaj gets over in time to stop that bang-bang play is if he cheats to his right before the pass is made. Then guess what happens? Since Clark is playing the pass (as he should), Budaj gets beat short side, and we get snide remarks about how weak Boods is short-side and how he horribly miss-played the situation. The reality is, both Clark and Budaj did OK on the play, but Philly and their redunkulous special teams just did better. It’s a high percentage hockey play. I don’t understand the point of trying to lay it at Budaj’s feet. You know what? I’d rather AD just start every column with a disclaimer like: “I think Budaj sucks.” That way, we wouldn’t have to try and read between any lines…
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Ohh, and another thing
Look at the two players that were on the 2-on-1. Could there be a pair of players on the Flyers team that would have a higher percentage of converting that play? I think not.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Pretty much
Dater’s disdain for Budaj is nauseating anymore. You don’t like the Peter Budaj, we get it dude.
I want to marry Peter Forsberg, but I don’t find it necessary or relevant to bring it up in every post that I write.
I enjoy reading most of AD’s stuff, but I don’t get why he goes through the Budaj dissection after every loss game, it’s to the point where it feels like a personal issue to me.
If you give those dudes ten 2 on 1’s, they score on what, 7 or 8 of them? Great forwards do that.
If in ten games, your team only scores 2 goals, your team loses 7 or 8 of them.
by JonHaven on Dec 17, 2008 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
I’m not a goaltender, never played goal, and never plan on doing so…but even I understand the two rules mentioned above. Dater and his haters are out again in full force and riding in their douche canoe.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 17, 2008 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
My only concern
after the loss last night was that since Budaj “let in” 5 goals the bashers would be out in full force.
The Avs looked slow last night, but I think it was all fatigue. You look at all 5 goals and which ones would any goalie stop? there was the 2 vs 1, the one he was completely screened, a tip in, a ludicrously unlucky bounce (on which he made the initial save) and the PP goal which was bang-bang. I thought Budaj was horrible against the Blackhawks, but last night it was just a case of a team being tired and giving up too many quality chances.
One thing I liked about last night’s game was that even though the Avs were tired, I never felt like they gave up on any plays. At times this season the team has seemed incredibly disinterested on the ice, but last night that wasn’t the case at all.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
Dude
Well, Budaj gave up 5 goals and Raycroft beat the Wings. So OBVIOUSLY Raycroft should be the starter. Common dude. Common.
(Just thought I would throw up this comment dripping in sarcasm before someone posts a comment like this totally serious).
Too late
Check out the comments under Dater’s Article
My favorite so far:
The Avs got a momentum in the first period, but, Budaj gave the Flyers a shorthanded goal. Since then, the game was over.
Budaj proved again that he is a backup. He can’t bring the big responsibility on his back.
A good golie must be a leader and give order to his defense. He can’t.
I don’t know if Razor is the answer but he showed leadership against the hated Wings. Maybe, he got lucky.
The good coach has the duty to build the team but Granato is too small for this job.
Yes. Way to give them the Goal Budaj. I mean a 2 vs one (against Simon Gangne and Jeff Carter no less) that was executed to near perfection. I mean a good goalie would have gotten that.
I’m more angry about the reactions to the loss than to the loss. There are acceptable losses folks. the tail end of a road back to back against the 2nd hottest team in the league the night after beating one of the 2 best teams in the league is an acceptable loss.
My goodness, I’ve never seen a team picked apart so badly after every single game. Am I rooting for the Leafs and didn’t realize it?
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
I just went and read those, it I’m ready to declare it official: Colorado has the stupidest fans in the History of Hockey. That’s right, the BJ’s, Panthers, and Golden Seals are no longer in a three way tie for the bottom of the barrel. We have a new best of the worst…
Humanity is doomed…
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Hope for Humanity
from Cheryl B:
You people are ridiculous!! The team loses the second game in a BACK-TO-BACK ROAD TRIP against two of the very VERY best teams in the NHL and you claim they lost because they ****?!?! You’ve GOT to be kidding me! The Avs played hard—and well—for the first half of the game. Then they lost steam. Yet, instead of giving up like they have in past games, they continued to push through and fight for a win. It didn’t happen simply because they were outplayed…by a better team that is hot right now.
As for your comments on…
Smyth: he’s a freaking work horse and gives his all every second he’s on the ice. He’s worth every cent.
Foote: are you HIGH? Footer was sorely missed and continues to be a cornerstone of the defense. His leadership alone is needed and worth the money.
Hannon: he’s had some bad games this year, but his game against the Wings was one of the reasons we won. He also makes a lot of quiet plays that change the momentum of the game that fly below the radar. I personally like the dude and don’t want to see him go anywhere.
Budaj: I don’t even know where to begin. Do you all freaking have amnesia or something? Do you recall all those games a while back that Boods completely STOLE for the Avs And have you watched the reels on the goals last night?? Seriously, Roy would’ve had to make it great against that 2-on-1.
Rayzor: he had a great game against the Wings, but he has not been playing as well as Boods this year. Period. He showed that night that he CAN be a good back up. Let’s hope he keeps it up.
Finally, for those people who say, “I was at the game. I know,” you’re morons. Watching a game live NEVER gives you the upper hand on seeing how well a goaltender is playing. PLEASE. On TV, you get these amazing things called REPLAYS where the action is actually slowed down and true positioning can be clearly seen. Rayzor was flopping all over the place against the Wings. Many of his saves were very, very lucky. Boods, on the other hand, had some unfortunate shots that would’ve taken spectacular work to stop. I’m talking Roy-esque. And no one is saying Budaj is the second coming no matter how much we believe in him.
K. I’ve said my peace. I’m out.
+ an entire truckload Cheryl B.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Cheryl B is hereby adopted as an honorary MHH member in excellent standing. Now all she needs to do is create an account and get commenting among the sane.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
already have one!!
cheryl b = beachnsnowgirl
i rock. i know. lol.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 17, 2008 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Damn
I was thinking there was hope for humanity outside of MHH. I knew that thought was too good to be true.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 1:15 PM MST up reply actions
awwwww
thanks guys!! = )
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 17, 2008 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
Are you single? Oh wait I’m not….damn
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 17, 2008 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
No I wasn’t talking to Mike…..
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 17, 2008 10:39 PM MST up reply actions
Yes
i am.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 18, 2008 12:09 AM MST up reply actions
***Tangent alert***
I’m glad you spelled ridiculous correctly. There isn’t another word I see misspelled more and every time I see it misspelled the first thing I think is "Well this person is obviously an idiot.
Maybe because it’s usually misspelled as “rediculous”. That’s not like using the wrong type of “its” or a simple typo like “teh”. the i and e are so far apart that you have to actively be an idiot.
What’s weird too is that I’m a terrible speller. Thank god for Firefox spell check, but when people spell “rediculous” I immediately blow off anything they say as garbage.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
I’m totally with you on that one. And you know every single moron who types “rediculous” sees that little red line underneath it and ignores it because they either 1) don’t know what the red line means, or 2) assume the built-in spell check is dumber than they are.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
See
I instinctively knew this comment was written by a grade-A nincompoop.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 1:41 PM MST up reply actions
ah
How did we know Jibblescribbits is spelt right? What do we have to compare it too? Maybe it should be slept Jiblesskribits.
If I ever make a grammatical or spelling error
please feel free to heckle me with no mercy! I’m an English teacher and should know better!
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 17, 2008 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
Only bloggers can use that many exclamation points in proximity. I may have to revoke your Member of the Week cred.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Point taken. Shall refrain from overuse of punctuation in the future.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 17, 2008 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
Other great quotes
From his blog,
Some good news! Better news would be to give the guy the next 10-15 games in a row to see how he and the team responds, cant be easy to get a start here and there and be in top form all the time. Give the guy a fair shot! You know like the avs already have with he other guy!
Lets give him 10-15 games, that way we’ll really have a shot, at the #1 draft pick. You’re right its not easy to be in top form in starts here and there, Thats why Raycroft wasn’t in top form, he was slow and lucky the defense actually showed up.
Ray Ray definitely looked more relaxed than Boods has all year. There was no fight or panic against the Wings.
Yup give the guy the next 10-15 games in a row to get a feel for how good he can be, might as well send that other bum down to the minors, he never was a true NHL G man anyway.
I’m all for sending Boods to the minors, who wanst an NHL goalie that actually shows up to games when no-one else does. Let him ride the pine in the AHL, Raycroft can bring us to the holy land, look at his stats.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
you know, I was thinking last night that if Q was the coach, Raycroft would have started last night…
The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 17, 2008 10:39 AM MST up reply actions
Yes
He would have. I think Granato was a little doomed whatever decision he made here.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
If Raycroft had started last night it might have shut up some of Dater’s Haters….might have…
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 17, 2008 11:17 AM MST up reply actions
You are correct. The Raycroft Apology Parade would have begun.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
The good news is Tony Granato is not as stupid as Colorado’s fan base. At least not yet.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
With a little hard work and perseverance, anything is possible!
by JonHaven on Dec 17, 2008 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
Raycroft gets off because he’s a backup who rarely plays. Budaj gets shit because he’s doesnt have eight arms and can’t completely cover a 6×4 foot goal in all situations.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
and MY pet peeve
I love how it’s “Clark got caught” instead of mentioning that Tjarny had skated down into the zone past the dots that forced the 2 on 1. How is it Clark’s fault that he’s the defenseman actually in proper position?
Tjarmin Ultra
On defense, Ruslan Salei was scratched for Daniel Tjarnqvist. I’m on record as saying that Tjarnqvist has played well, and I know many folks were up in arms over the scratch. Personally, I would rather see him filling in for injuries rather than bumping other guys out of the lineup. He’s good, but he’s not going to be great (he still seems good for one big gaffe a game, like on the Lupol goal). He’s an excellent depth player, and, potentially someone who could step in if the Avs need to move a defenseman (or trade bait himelf). But let’s not get carried away with the letter-writing campaign to keep him in the lineup.
We agree that Charmin is a depth guy that he is never going to play in an all star game, but he was playing better than any other Avalanche defenseman when Granato scratched him. My beef isn’t with how good (or bad) Charmin is, but rather the coaching decision to sit him.
If Foote, Hannan, Liles, Clark, Salei, and Leopold were all playing up to their potential and the Avs were winning, Charmin should never crack the Avs lineup. But, as things were, the Avs were playing mediocre at best, and half the guys listed above were playing way closer to the bad than the good end of the spectrum. Under those conditions, there was no reason to take the one spark the Avalanche had out of the lineup. With the way the Avalanche have been playing (Detroit game aside), there is no way that there “isn’t room” for ANY player with a hot hand in the lineup.
Tjarmin showed last night that there is a reason he’s somewhere between 5 and 7 on the Avs’ depth chart. I would just like to see players play their way out of hot streaks rather than the coaches bench it out of them.
by JonHaven on Dec 17, 2008 8:42 AM MST reply actions
Rusty?!?!?!
I know hockey players all get cute nicknames like Jonesey, Arny, Stastney-ey…. but did Granato really call Salei “Rusty” ? I get it, Ruslan-Rusty, ok. But damn, that’s an unfortunate one to get stuck with…..
Hedgie for Hejduk has always annoyed me. Duke is a way better name.
by JonHaven on Dec 17, 2008 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
I have always called him Duke. Hedgie goes against the pronunciation of his name.
GO AVS
by slapshotr2007 on Dec 17, 2008 3:28 PM MST up reply actions
Plus another famous guy with that moniker kicks ass. The Duke just strikes fear in peoples hearts.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 17, 2008 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
Is that a puck I see before me?
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 18, 2008 12:11 AM MST up reply actions
If Drury came back to the Avs
I would have an extremely public meltdown. I don’t think there is any way in hell it would happen without getting absolutely fleeced, but I can still sit back and wonder what it would be like…
They call me Bubblegum.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Dec 17, 2008 11:12 AM MST reply actions
fwiw, I have a REAL hard time seeing it, especially the part about Drury going through waivers so that the Avs would just have to pay half of that ridiculous salary
The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 17, 2008 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I see that trade having a 0.01% chance of happening. Plus, It seems like Avs Management wants to wait for Forsberg and trading for Drury would make that difficult. Even if Drury would be more useful than Forsberg.
I know we won on opposite day the other night, but this will NEVER happen. Drury is an important part of what the Rangers intend to do for the next 2-5 years, he’s been a Rags fan HIS ENTIRE LIFE, and I’m 99% sure he has a no trade clause. Notice those reasons don’t include anything about how the Rangers GM would have to swap jobs with Garth Snow for a day, the math doesn’t even come CLOSE to working unless we send somebody significant the other way, and even a god-like drury doesn’t address the issues the Avs have had all season: lack of team speed, a good point shot on the PP, and to many over-paid contracts that aren’t quite living up to expectations. Plus he would likely dispace Hensick or Jones who would likely regress if they were sent back down to the A. IYF is right, less than a hundredth of a percent of a chance.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
I think he’d address 1/2 the issues… penalty kill, powerplay, and faceoffs, but I think we’ll see Forsberg sign a 4 year deal before Drury ever comes back.
by JonHaven on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
Mike’s right; this deal will never happen. Drury is the Rangers’ captain and is 7-8 years younger than Sundin. Yes, Sundin can still put up numbers, but for how long, and Drury is still scoring GWGs consistently. (This past Saturday, in the game against Carolina that Sundin attended, Drury scored the only shootout goal scored, in the fifth round, to win the game for the Rangers. And this was less than 24 hours after they had gotten 8 goals scored against them in a loss to the Devils). And Glen Sather is neither Garth Snow (or even worse, Mike Milbury).
Awarded Points Earned (APE)
Before everyone starts doing more cartwheels about the Avs’ .500 record, their APE is now 31 points for, 37 points given up, or .456. This is reality, my friends. And it bites. Remember the good old days when anything less than competing for a Cup was considered failure?
Nice win against the wheel. Other than that, this team is still overly meh to poor. I think I may do more with this APE stuff after the new year …. I really think it is the only measure in Bettman’s watered down NHL of how a team is doing.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 17, 2008 12:45 PM MST reply actions
Agree
the team is worse than normal still. The point was more that last night wasn’t really a reflection of how poor they’ve been.
Besides over the last 5 they have been 6 points for and 5 against. Not great, but the teams were Vancouver, LA, Chi, Detroit, and Philly. 4 out of 5 are playoff teams and one was the tail end of a back to back.
That’s why I don’t think there’s reason to panic about the loss last night. The Avs have actually been decent lately.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
I am
They get the blood flowing to my head. Normally it’s stored up…. ummm…. elsewhere.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
Not a shot at anyone, honestly. I don’t see folks doing cartwheels at all. More metaphorical, if you will.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on Dec 17, 2008 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks beachnsnow girl, for saying everything I have wanted to say to those ugly Dater Haters for months, but ten times better than I ever could have!! You go girl!! They comment on how much better the team plays when Raycroft is in net. Yeah, they do, because they’re scared sh*&tless!! During that Detroit game they treated that puck like it was a live grenade that would explode if it got anywhere near Raycroft. My frustration is I wish the team would show Budaj they same consideration.
Oh, and for those of us still licking the wounds from the Blackhawks game on Friday, it was nice to see the Oiler getting spanked by the Hawks 8-2. Makes our loss seem a little less horrible. Plus, they let both Roloson and Garon share in the misery, splitting the game. Neither did very well. Interesting stat: Roloson’s save % for that game was .826, playing about 30 minutes, Garon’s was .762, again playing only about 30 minutes. Our horrible Bood’s save percent was .867, playing the full game against the Hawks. Now, I agree it wasn’t his best game, but he fared better than the Oilers’ goalies.
By the way, this is my first post, I have absolutely no idea what I am doing, so I apologize in advance for screwing it up. My husband gives me a bunch of crap all the time for reading it, especially at the games during intermission, so he is going to LOVE that I joined.
Welcome to the circus!
And thanks for the props. You actually pointed out exactly what I was thinking that night while watching the Detroit game: the Avs had so much time with the puck cuz they didn’t trust Rayzor. I guess it’s a (messed up) compliment to Boods that they don’t do that with him! lol
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 17, 2008 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Hola Seniorita
Don’t worry about your husband. Just don’t share the margarita’s with him
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 17, 2008 4:31 PM MST up reply actions
and we won’t tell him if you don’t
The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 17, 2008 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
Well said! And welcome to the promised land…
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 17, 2008 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Hmmmmm
you call it the promised land while I call it the circus. What does that say about each of us??
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 18, 2008 12:12 AM MST up reply actions
I like to wear silly hates…..and the circus is my heaven?
Actually compared to many other Avs forums (IE the home forums) this is heaven…..
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 18, 2008 8:29 AM MST up reply actions

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