Game 35: Avalanche 4, Red Wings 3 (SO)
Cody McLeod kindly offers to cool down Detroit's Ty Conklin
Photo courtesy Michael Martin (Getty)
As I watch the Avalanche games on TV, I'm normally working up a story line for the recap I'm going to write the following game. By the end of the game, I usually have a decent idea of how I'll be opening the recap the following morning. From there, I'll happily go off on all sorts of wild tangents, but at least to start out I've got a basic theme in mind. With this game, there were too many story lines; I couldn't settle on just one.
Story Line #1: Special Teams
The Avalanche appear to be gaining steam on the powerplay. With two PP goals against Phoenix and three more last night, five of the last 8 goals scored have come with the man advantage. Tony Granato is using just about everyone on the powerplay - 13 of the 18 skaters had at least one PP shift last night and I think I even saw Jacques Cloutier out there for a couple of shifts. The Avs are suddenly moving all over the place on the powerplay - both with and without the puck - and it's helping to create chances.
On the flip side, the Avalanche did give up two PP goals...but they were facing a very potent PP team. The Avs did kill off two crucial penalties in the 3rd period to keep the game tied. Well, Peter Budaj killed off two crucial penalties in the 3rd period to keep the game tied, but that still counts.
Story Line #2: Holmstrom vs Smyth
You've heard it many times before: Tomas Holmstrom and Ryan Smyth are two of the very best in the game in front of the net. Last night's game was a terrific example of this. The two were the best players on the ice for their respective teams, and were a factor in 5 of the 6 goals. Holmstrom scored on an incredible deflection of a Samuelsson deflection that was going wide of the net, and Smyth banged home a Milan Hejduk shot that was intentionally fired off of the rear boards. I hate the Wings, but I love to watch Holmstrom work in the crease. But, his best move may have been to shake off a Darcy Tucker hit at the Detroit blueline. As soon as Tucker had skated away to...well, I don't really know where he was going, to be honest...Holmstrom had his stick up to ask for an outlet pass. He started the play up the ice and got an assist a few seconds later after his pass to Rafalski at the point as crossed quickly to Johan Franzen. To call Tucker a defensive liability is a gross understatement.
Story Line #3: The Roller Coaster Game
For the 2nd straight game, the rested Avs were facing a team that had played the night before and then traveled to Denver (Peter McNab mentioned the other night that the Avs had 4 such games coming up). In Detroit's case, they traveled to Nashville during the day on Friday, played that night (and lost) and then flew after the game to Denver. In short, they were a little fatigued and it showed at the start of the game. The Avalanche really came out strong and the Wings were on their heels. Six of the first 7 penalties were on Detroit, and the Avs unexpectedly potent PP made them pay, with goals by Salei, Smyth and Liles.
My wife was watching the game with me, and I told her Detroit would be coming back. It wasn't so much that the Avs would start sitting on the lead (although they do tend to lose steam from their good starts lately, don't they?). I just knew that Detroit had too many weapons to not make a game of it. Somewhere around the middle of the 2nd period, the Wings found their legs, and all of a sudden the Avs were the ones chasing the play. The final four penalties all went against Colorado, and Detroit converted on two of them (in a 1:32 span). 14 minutes into the 2nd period, the Avs were still holding a 3-0 lead. Just over 4 minutes later, Johan Franzen's blast - the lone even strength goal in the game - had knotted things up.
Story Line #4: One-Goal Game
As a related follow-up to Story Line #3, the Avs and Wings are tied for the league lead with 22 1-goal games each. And, they each have won 14 of those games (also tops in the league). The one difference is that the Wings have gotten a point out of more of their 1-goal games; they are 14-3-5 while the Avs are 14-7-1. The Avs' 7 1-goal regulation losses is also tops in the league - well, it ties them with Atlanta and, of all teams, Minnesota. The Avs are simply leaving points on the table in too many games this year. It sure looked like they were headed for another such game last night, which segues nicely into...
Story Line #5: Peter Freaking Budaj
Budaj was a monster in the game. He was THE difference in the 3rd period when he turned aside 14 shots, including a really tough PP deflection that would have easily beaten Jose Theodore. Budaj is still perfect in overtime this year and, of course, he's still a pimp in shootouts (he and the post combined to stop all 3 attempts in the shootout). Tony Granato needs to do a better job of keeping Budaj from getting overused, but there is no goalie controversy brewing in Denver; Peter Budaj IS the most consistent starting goalie we've had since the retirement of Patrick Roy.
Speaking of Raycroft, I regrettably watched the Detroit feed. Let's just say Ken Daniels and Larry Murphy were certainly wearing their Red Wings underoos. Anyway, when discussing the goalies at the start of the game, Daniels mentioned that Budaj was getting the start even though Raycroft had won some games recently (including the first Detroit game). Daniels further expanded that he'd been told the reason for this was that Raycroft really hadn't played all that well in his win against Phoenix. That's true, of course, but I wonder which Avalanche guy shared that with Daniels? Interesting...
Story Line #6: The Shootout
Finally, we get to my personal favorite. Daniels and Murphy were rather unbearable during the game, partly because of their obvious Detroit slant and partly because they didn't seem all that prepared to cover the Avs. When the game went to overtime, Murphy started blathering that the Avs would press hard to win in OT because they didn't want to have to face the Wings in a shootout. He and Daniels repeated that as the shootout was starting, and then began talking about our best player in the shootout: Marek Svatos. This is as Wojtek Wolski was preparing to make Ty Conklin his bitch for his 6th succesful shootout attempt in 7 tries. The Avs, of course, improved to 7-1 in the shootout this year, while the Red Wings fell to a still-impressive 4-1. I'm guessing Daniels and Murphy won't be so cocky the next time (I'm not even going to address the part about how the Avs would miss Paul Stastny in the shootout. Idiots.)
The Avs' shootout success is amazing, especially given their lack of depth. For crying out loud, the Wings had Marian Hossa as their 4th shootout option. After the Avs big 3 (Wolski, Svatos and Hejduk), the Avs are incredibly thin - so thin that Ryan Smyth and Darcy Tucker have the 4th and 5th most attempts on the team (3 and 1). Wolski and Budaj get a lot of the credit here. Wolski is consistently giving the Avs the early lead in the shootout, and then Budaj makes enough big saves (.708%) to close the door.
Tyler Arnason did indeed play on the first line with Hejduk and Smyth and he didn't embarrass himself, getting 5 shots on the net. However, Smyth and Hejduk do a lot of work below the goal line, and Arnason just isn't that sort of player - several times he simply got pushed off of the puck while the Avs were trying to cycle. Personally, I'd rather see Arnason work with guys who do better work in front of the net - Svatos and Wolski, for example - and then try someone like TJ Hensick with the first line. I doubt it will happen, though, as Hensick remains firmly in Granato's dog house. He was dropped from the 2nd line after just 7 shifts; after the first period, Ian Lapperiere moved up to the 2nd line and Hensick dropped to the 3rd.
- Smyth, Arnason, Hejduk
- Wolski, Hensick, Jones
- Stewart, Lappy, Svatos
- McLeod, Guite, Tucker
- Foote, Hannan
- Liles, Clark
- Leopold, Salei
ITCS Report
- With Sakic and Stastny out, the Avs are going to be hurting in the faceoff department. Ian Lapperiere - a winger for most of his Avalanche career - seems to be the go-to guy on draws now, taking about a 3rd of the Avs draws. He won just 40% and the Avs won just 37% on the night.
- Since the start of the 2006-2007 season, the Avs have lost more regulation games by one goal (32) than any other team.
- Milan Hejduk wore the A in the Avs first game since losing Stastny.
The Avalanche host the Predators on Monday. Once again, Colorado will be playing a tired team - Nashville is playing in Edmonton the night before.
Let’s hope this one turns out better than the one December 15th. - Bill Houlihan (before the game), Abel to Ysebaert.
[Wolski's] move, though, is a goalie's nightmare. With his long reach and lengthy stick, he acts as if he's going far to the right, only to pull it back left. Ty Conklin was sprawled out on the ice as Wolski effortlessly guided the puck into the net to help the Avalanche improve to 7-1 in shootouts this season. - Pat Graham, AP
"Let's be honest, we should have won that game," said Wings coach Mike Babcock. "We were all over them. But they found a way to win in a shoot-out. Their power play got them three goals." - George Sipple, Detroit Free Press
The story of the evening was the penalties and consequent power-play goals. All of Colorado's goals in regulation came in three separate power plays during the first period. Salei scored the first goal of the game while Ryan Smyth and John-Michael Liles would add a goal and an assist each on the following two goals. Detroit received six of the first seven penalties in the game. - Christy Hammond, Winging it in Motown
Ty Conklin settled down after a rough first period and had 29 saves. He was starting in net for the fifth straight game as Chris Osgood is sidelined with a strained groin. - AP
Some things in life are predictable. It will snow in the Rockies in December. Thousands of red-clad former Michigan residents, none of whom plan to move back soon, will show up for Red Wings games in Denver — as they did Saturday night. And when one NHL team gets a flurry of power plays, as the Avalanche did in the first period, the skate will be on the other foot soon. - Terry Frei, Denver Post
Do you know who whines about terrible ref jobs? The losers. - Shane Giroux, Avs Talk
"[Arnason] did pretty well," Colorado coach Tony Granato said. "I think Ryan and Hedgie skated extremely well, and Arnie will understand it's pretty easy to play with those two guys when they're going like that. I thought for the first game together, they did a pretty good job. - Terry Frei, Denver Post
Granato has not allowed sometimes shaky goaltending to destroy the team's confidence, and more important, he has not trashed Budaj as a convenient scapegoat. The coach has not been afraid to call out Tyler Arnason for lack of production, only to show enough faith in the 29-year-old veteran to center the No. 1 line against the Wings. And the refusal to let injuries become an excuse for failure begins at the top. - Mark Kiszla, Denver Post
Know what to do when a top two defenseman loses his stick. Don’t make him ask for a stick. Seriously, I heard Adam Foote ask for a stick, and I was watching the game on my laptop. - Tapeleg, Jerseys and Hockey Love [I didn't hear Foote, but after several seconds of me staring incedulously at the screen, heard someone from the bench strongly suggesting that TJ give him his stick]
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That game was the BEST Christmas present ever!!!
BeachNSnowGirl’s boyfriend scored a goal, and he is just 2 goals away from a career 50.
Texacogirl’s dad got his Christmas miracle.
Ryan Smith was Superman.
The team decided to show up when Budaj was in net.
Budaj has officially shoved a puck down the throat of every one of those idiots on Dater’s blog.
For me: my husband is from Detroit. The good news is he hates the Red Wings as much as I do. The bad news is his family still lives there and they worship the Red Wings. Before the game we were receiving a bunch of harassing text messages and voice mails. After the second period they called to further harass us. Since the end of the game, however, it has been eerily silent. I guess it is difficult to talk on the phone when your mouth is full of crow!
GO AVS!!
by hockeymom on Dec 28, 2008 9:21 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
More likely is that they burned down all of the cel towers in Murder City after the loss.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
by Mike @ MHH on Dec 28, 2008 9:45 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Wings announcers
Are the worst in the league. I’m sure you spent 1/2 the game listening to how the Avs should have more calls against them, and how Smyth should have been given a game misconduct for being pushed onto Conklin in the 3rd (I think it was the third.) I am happy I got Altitude last night.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 28, 2008 9:58 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
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“Let’s be honest, we should have won that game,” said Wings coach Mike Babcock. “We were all over them. But they found a way to win in a shoot-out. Their power play got them three goals.”
I didn’t think this was the case at all. In fact I think the Avs outplayed Les Ailes in the first and first part of the second and then tried to hang on the last 1/2. I thought a point for each was the most fair outcome.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 28, 2008 10:04 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 28, 2008 10:07 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for yet another great re-cap!! I loved the game last night! Soooo much fun! my boss spent a fortune on tickets to take his son for Christmas! I am glad that he will be in a good mood when he gets back to work tomorrow!
by gl avfan on Dec 28, 2008 10:22 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
So this would be a great time to ask for a pay rise then.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 28, 2008 4:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I had to miss the game, in order not to jinx it ;) , but I really wished I could’ve seen more than just the short NHL.tv recap. This review really shows what was going on though, and that’s what so great about this website!
Their power play got them three goals – Babcock
I gotta comment on this quote, for as long as Babcock is still the Ruler of the Evil Empire, I will detest him.
Wow, that must be the most useless comment ever made by a coach after a game. What are you trying to tell us, that the refs were awful? That the Avs PP was godlike? It makes no sense. And like Shane said, losers whine about bad calls.
26 Card Jet
by Tommelot on Dec 28, 2008 11:24 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Especially coming from a guy whose team scores a boatload of PP goals. His PP got them 2 goals, and is one of the leagues highest ranked (or it was, I can’t be bothered to look that up right now). Then he’s gonna whine that we got three? Its not like the refs didn’t give the bitchagain (oops, michigan) team 4 straight PP’s after that. Sheesh. They musta burned his house back in detroit.
I blame it all on my goalie
by TheRed on Dec 28, 2008 12:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At the game last night
I commented to my buddy that it was the worst officiated game I’ve seen all year. Frankly, there were calls missed on both sides.
Time is yours to take, and choice is your's to make. Some dive into the sea. Some toil upon the stone. -- Cowboy Junkies
by captainwave on Dec 28, 2008 2:18 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Suspect
I also thought the officiating was highly suspect. I don’t know how many times a ref missed a call, then made up for it with an even worse makeup call.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 29, 2008 9:30 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Re Story Line #3 Roller Coaster
I think we can attribute the comeback of the Wings not to eventual even-ing out of penalties/momentum nor to the Wings’ plethora of weapons, but to Shane’s absence on the thread last night to remind us to keep doing whatever we were doing in the first period. Without Shane’s reminder, Beachie let her cat join her in the 2nd period and I went and opened a bottle of wine for a drink before the start of the 2nd. That’s when the Wings started their comeback. Completely logical reasoning.
by Pookie on Dec 28, 2008 11:32 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
And I switched seats and sat in between my dad and sister for the second. I moved back to my first period seat for the third. The dude I was sitting next to me in the first said I should have stayed there for the second since that’s when the Avs scored all their goals. Oh well. I moved back for the third, OT, and shootout and we won so it’s all good.
Red Wings Suck
by texacogirl on Dec 28, 2008 12:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
New coaching philosophy for TG
(Ok, what I would do if I were Granato)
Let Wolski cherry pick. Every shift. If the other goalie can’t stop him on a breakaway he’s gotta be good for 2-3 goals a game.
I blame it all on my goalie
by TheRed on Dec 28, 2008 12:00 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
that would be great to watch, although we’d get burned defensively by always having a virtual PK
26 Card Jet
by Tommelot on Dec 28, 2008 12:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
We can’t clear the puck in a normal 5 on 5 situation, we’d really struggle to get the puck to Wolski in that situation.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 28, 2008 2:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I was kidding
But good point. If Budaj had any rebound control or puck handling skills, he could do it…..
I blame it all on my goalie
by TheRed on Dec 28, 2008 6:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But then if Budaj was any good as a goalie he could play the entire season by himself, as a one man team and go 82-0 before going 16-0 in the playoffs. Theres a problem though, He’s just not any good.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 28, 2008 6:30 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the sarcasm is lost on the Budaj-bashers, hon. I’m right there with ya, tho.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 28, 2008 6:34 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice HNL highlights
where the announcer says “nice save by TY conklin to keep it TIED on a shot by TYler Arnason”. Dude watched caddyshack too many times. “Nice tie, Ty- would you like to tie me up with one of your ties?”
I blame it all on my goalie
by TheRed on Dec 28, 2008 1:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The NHL highlights announcers really seemed very jovial every time Detroit scored….homers!
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 28, 2008 2:16 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I must admit it was a breath of fresh air to read Kiszla instead of Dater today. He isn’t blinded by his hatred of Budaj and can actually call it like it is.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 28, 2008 2:19 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Kiszla
I don’t read Kiszla. The guy relies way too much on the conventional opinion, and writes stuff just to stir the pot way too often.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Dec 29, 2008 9:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing - Injury report
It appears that McCormick has been playing of late on a stress-fractured foot. The length of time he’ll be out is yet to be determined..
Stastny to have surgery Tuesday
In other Avs injury news, right wing Cody McCormick will be sidelined for an undetermined amount of time with a stress fracture in a foot. McCormick had been playing with the injury, the team said, but will be put onto a rehabilitation program and won’t play in the near term.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 28, 2008 2:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I'm still giddy
and am telling more people about this game than my Christmas. I may need help, but wait until the glow wears off, k?
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 28, 2008 6:35 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it has probably been the main good thing about christmas.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 28, 2008 8:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
That and my star wars box ;)
26 Card Jet
by Tommelot on Dec 29, 2008 12:48 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no
I’m gonna stick with the Avs winning. Your Star Wars box sucks donkey kong.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 29, 2008 2:02 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Murphy
was at the Leafs – Caps game tonight as Mike Gartner got his jersey number retired. Gartner joined the Caps Announcers in the booth for a while and, when asked whether Ovie was more like Gretzky or Lemieux, he replied that Alex is more like a combination of Mark Messier and Pavel Bure in their primes. That is fierce. Ovie scored 2 goals tonight, and neither was as phantasmagorical as the one he scored against the Sabres 2 days ago on Friday (end-to-end, skate through 2 defenders, diving GWG), but still, 2 goals are 2 goals. Fierce. DC is lucky to have him.
Also, Michael Nylander has been on the trading block this year; it’s the last year of his contract. And the interesting thing is that the Caps have had a lot of injured defensemen. I watched the Rangers for years and always thought Nylander was a great playmaking center. Don’t know, but it would be nice to have a good, experienced, skilled center right now and we could send Clark, Leopold or Hannan to the Caps for him. [The Washington Post reported that the Caps told Nylander 2 weeks ago that they weren’t trying to trade him anymore, but who knows?]
by Pookie on Dec 28, 2008 9:52 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Thats an incredibly random comment that doesn’t really lead anywhere. I’m impressed with your ranting abilities.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 29, 2008 12:32 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Fo' sho'
it’s a completely tenuous thread, barely linked to the Avs-Wings game by DD’s dedicating his game recap to Larry Murphy, and then going off on stream-of-consciousness discussion about how fun it was to watch the Caps games this week in DC. It eventually got back to the Avs’ need for a center though…
But not a rant. All enthusiastic observation and musing.
by Pookie on Dec 29, 2008 9:15 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
on HNIC a couple of weeks ago, someone (Al Strachan?) said the Hawks and Caps were close to a deal involving Khabibulin for Michael Nylander, but it got put on hold because a certain Mr Q had made Khabibulin his starter…
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 29, 2008 9:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting! Well with Q, there’s always the chance Khabibulin will let in 2 goals in a row and he’ll be the back-up again, and then the trade will be back on. That would certainly strengthen the Caps at goalie. But maybe the Caps think that they are good with Theo now that he’s played a couple of good games in a row and will look for an expensive stay at home defensemen instead, like someone who has (had?) a reputation as a hard hitter. ;-)
by Pookie on Dec 29, 2008 9:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Khabibulin was to be traded to LA. It was some sort of three team deal – third team unknown.
Red Wings Suck
by texacogirl on Dec 29, 2008 12:06 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Duh
Chicago-LA-Washington three team trade. Anyway…
Red Wings Suck
by texacogirl on Dec 29, 2008 12:11 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
DC is lucky to have him.
Although they also have Theo, which puts their goaltending in such a bind that they even need interns to start playing for games.
26 Card Jet
by Tommelot on Dec 29, 2008 12:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I find it funny he’s been replaced by the back up, again. Oh well only another 12-13 months before he starts playing good. There’s still hope caps fans.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 29, 2008 2:03 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The Japer’s Rink people last night were joking about how happy they are when Theo puts together 5 good periods in a row. And they are waiting for him to go on a hot streak. I didn’t have the heart to tell them it wouldn’t happen until the last 2 months of his final contract year. He played all right the two games I saw this week though. The Caps are 2nd in their conference with Theo/Johnson as their goalie and all the injury problems they’ve had.
by Pookie on Dec 29, 2008 9:24 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Ovechkin hates you
“Oh yes! There are drivers here with the capital D! In Russia they would simply get shot. Let’s say you are driving on an empty two-lane road. Any fool knows the left lane is the fast one! But here they don’t get it at all. Two of them will get next to each other and just keep going like that: nobody in front of them and a traffic jam behind. Why, why would you drive slowly in the left lane? Who knows. They just do it.”
This is an awesome quote from Ovechkin about his dislike of American drivers. Unfortunately for me we also get this tools in Australia. I’m sick of us copying America.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 29, 2008 3:34 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate when players spray me with ice, It’s grounds for a-paddling.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Dec 29, 2008 12:33 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

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