Game 25: Avalanche At Predators, Preview And Open Thread
by Joe Dunman on Dec 4, 2008 3:00 PM MST
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Not gonna be in the thread today boys and girls
Have a b-day happy hour thing to go to. So I will rely on you to (1) piss off any Nashville fan bold enough to stumble in and post like the Mild dude, and (2) post some kick ass goal girl pics!!! On the positive side, the guys often win games I miss so….here’s to continuing that trend!
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 4, 2008 4:56 PM MST reply actions
Never fear
Your Game Thread Leader is here to save the day.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
No-one needs your arrogance. You should be more humble, like me.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Hahaha
looks like it’s going to be just us tonight, at least for a while. I was just kidding, anyway.
the master has arrived boys and girls!
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
How did you get inside
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
thank goodness, I have the option of both feeds tonight on Center Ice. I’m tired and, honestly, if I had to listen to Terry “The Lisp” Crisp and Pete “Bubba” Weber, I think I would have just gone to bed.
The artist formerly known as Draft Dodger
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Dec 4, 2008 5:36 PM MST reply actions
At one point
they were talking about goalies taking tap dancing lessons and some other hockey player or athlete learning how to ballroom dance. It wasn’t nearly as amusing as it should have been.
I remember that
and I kept thinking about how the dominating Cowboys teams of the early and mid-90s used to take ballet lessons in order to improve their footwork. The other player was Warren Sapp, btw.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 4, 2008 10:15 PM MST up reply actions
Stupid 6:00pm MST starts
I know it’s good for you eastern time zone guys but early start, combined with a snow packed highway, means I probably won’t be around until the 3rd period.
Before the Avs game starts
I decided to check on the Canucks-Wings game and saw that Holmstrom and McCarty are scratches. Without wanting to do any real research of my own, does anyone know if they’re hurt or what the deal is?
I believe Holmstrom has a slight back injury and McCarty just plain sucks. I think he’ll be in Grand Rapids soon to free up some cap space. I also have to say teh Grand Rapids have an awesome logo, makes me hate the wings that much more.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Its Nashville. Anyone can make a living from talking there, hell Miley Cyrus is a millionare and she sounds like a country bumpkin.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Err...
she IS a country bumpkin. Her dad made a KILLING off of one of the most annoying/catchiest songs I’ve ever heard.
Oh god
The baby shaking PSA’s have already started and the game’s not even started.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Budaj with big save early.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Sup d00d
good to see some more trickling in. It was a big save, definitely. 30 seconds into it
and trailing 1-0 is NOT cool.
Goal girl?
Any one upset by Laura Prepon
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Awesome
Willsie may be injured from a glancing knee-to-knee. Why does the hockey gods hate us.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
#29 on Nashville
Joel Ward. One of my favorite players in Houston last year. Played hard, scored over 20 goals, almost all of which were of the garbage variety. Extremely hard working player who is earning every bit of his time in the NHL right now. I’m happy for him.
Even better news
Cumiskey is the ONLY healthy player left on the Avs that isn’t in this game.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Damn, Preds up 1-0
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Crap
Preds score 1-0.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Great
Belak scores. Preds up 1-0. Team looks completely uninspired and giving up the first goal felt inevitable. Hopefully we show more jump now that we’ve coughed up the initial goal.
Preds all over the Avs right now…penalty on the Avs
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Checkin’ in. I didn’t even take the highway and it took me an hour an 15 minutes to go 11 miles. I love snow but not when all the Californians are out driving 25 miles an hour because there is a dusting of snow on the road.
Red Wings Suck
In their defense, they can’t drive anyway.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Salei!!
1-1 baby! Just after calling him a massive disappointment earlier in the day, he scores on the 5 on 3!
I was thinking
about your earlier comment and too much passing, and then noticing how that powerplay attempt involved 3 shots in quick succession….leading to a goal. Who knew?
Holy crap. Rinne’s 6 foot %, he’s a giant for a goalie
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
CODE BLUE
That ad used to be funny, now i really hate it.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I remember
I used to spend a lot of time hating Greg de Vries. Then he left the team, and I didn’t hate him so much anymore. Kind of like Skoula, really.
Speaking of which, how many goals will be scored with Brett Clark on the ice tonight?
There’s one.
Red Wings Suck
Lappy wants to fight
TooToo, may get an instigator.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Fan-fucking-tastic
Another Double minor to the Avs. TooToo’s a douche
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Great, another dumb penalty taken by one of the people we expected to step up and fill the leadership void.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
I liked him when I first started, admittedly that was becaus ethey showed some piece about him living in Alaska. I quickly found out he’s douche like Phanuef, just less well known since he comes from a backwards ass team.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Brilliant
Arnott scores on the first PP. 2-1 and we have to kill another penalty
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Actually Weber scored it…
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Yeah they corrected it after i posted. I like Weber as a player, just not when he’s scoring
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Maybe the Professer from Futurama, What’s his name again.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
you mean he speaks in broken english and you can’t understand a word he says?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
I have no idea
the Nashville announcers were going on about how he talks quietly and has a soft voice and all this nonsense. I think they wanted to makeout with him.
Avs Score SH
Wolski.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Yeah
I didn’t know she was, erm, “built” that way. To be fair, though, I don’t watch anything with her in it.
2-3…shit, shit, shit
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Remember the part
last game where I complained about finishing periods? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.
For the love of Roy
why was someone left in the slot unopposed again.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Not only that but they set up the same shot three frakin times…
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
NHL.com says it was scored with one second left! Do we get a goalie change during intermission?
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
If he does win more than 5 it will be because we score a lot of goals, it won’t be his play that wins it.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Like the Tampa game
when the offense got out early and the defense was allowing many shots on goal. Of course, that didn’t stop Raycroft from making it close.
He was…he’s been out for 2 of 3 goals so far.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Budaj made several saves
on those chances. We gave them about 6 chances like that in the period. We’re lucky to only have given up 3. Of course, I say Salei is a bust this year, and he scores. Then I said Liles was the best d-man this year, and he plays a terrible first period. Not cool.
Had some mental lapses
No shit, McCormick. We call those Avalanche goals.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
great, the nucks are now leading the dead things 3-2
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
The Santa Claus Suits
Just tied it. I HATE to root for them.
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 6:50 PM MST up reply actions
I don't care who they are playing
I won’t root for them. Ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever.
You're right
I tried to root for them & just couldn’t do it. The division will just have to work itself out.
And I think they look like cheap Santas in those jerseys.
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 6:56 PM MST up reply actions
I think that's funny.
I had never really thought about it until you called them “The Santa Clause Suits”. It’s too bad more of them don’t wear red helmets =[
I've always wondered?
Has there ever been a player who played for both teams?
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
You mean
like a bisexual?
Sorry, I’ve never actually gotten to use that joke before.
Anyway, no I don’t think there’s ever been one to play for Detroit and Colorado.
Uwe Krupp (sp) is the only one I know of because I asked that same question last season and the was the wise MHH answer.
Red Wings Suck
Hmm
I believe that I read somewhere that 3 players have played for both teams, though none as notable as Krupp, and he was only marginal by the time he played for the winged wheel.
Mir ist egal.
AH YES!
I knew it!
JIM CUMMINS also played for both Detroit and Colorado (8 games vs 55 games)
Mir ist egal.
Who
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Also
Bob Boughner played for Colorado and was drafted by Detroit, though he never played a game for Detroit.
Mir ist egal.
So it wasn’t anybody really important then?
I liked Cummins, he was funny.
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 7:23 PM MST up reply actions
Sort of play was about it, that’s why he didn’t last long.
I think he’s doing something off the ice with the Coyotes now.
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 7:26 PM MST up reply actions
Oh Wait!
There is one more: TODD GILL
104 games for Detroit, 36 games for the good guys.
Gill is notable because he did this at the height of the rivalry
Detroit 1998-2001; Colorado 2001-2002.
Mir ist egal.
It is Detroit
every things cheap there. And yeah, they do resemble Santa Clause’s now that you mention it.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Wow
Florida just scored twice about a minute apart. They have some decent defensemen in Ballard, Boynton, and Bouwmeester.
Isn’t Morris logging quality minutes in PHX along with Sauer too?
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
God
Yes. I’m done responding to this. I’m not over the Drury trade. See his Top 19 profile for my long-winded explanation.
Boods still in net
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I deleted some of the double posts. Wouldn’t want anybody padding their post count tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
You know
the post stats has become an odd fascination around here. It’s always interesting to see conversation about it pop up around here.
It’s all because you dominate. People don’t like other people dominating. If you stopped posting so much it would die down.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Is it just me or is MHH having problems tonight?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
You know
besides that offsides call not being very good, the Avs have played a much more physical game than I’m used to seeing them play. McCormick especially has been hitting everyone he gets nears.
According to the running boxscore at NHL.com, Jones is the real culprit with a -2, while Clark and Liles are -1. Avs had 6 SOG in the first period to Nashville’s 11.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Great
the announcers babble on and on about the lack of penalties, and Colorado gets called for one immediately after. I hate these announcers.
Awesome
ANother Hooking penalty. #29 Daniel Tjarnquist.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
a lurkers first post...
Does anyone have a url for a live stream?
Also, though I’m not active here, I love reading all of the recaps, posts and threads. I’ve watched hockey since the team moved to Denver, but I’ve learned more about the game in the last year reading this site (and a few other blogs dedicated to the avs) than I ever did from the MSM coverage.
So, Thanks Everyone!!!
Welcome!
and that’s the nature of MSM. They tell you what they want, even if it’s wrong or unwarranted. Just look at Dater’s running hatred of Budaj.
Dater’s running hatred of Budaj never seemed wanted. He just did it and the muppet mob over at DP blindly followed along
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
That and...
Watching the game threads while watching the game helps me catch a lot of the action and smaller things that I never would have otherwise. As a whole, this has helped me enjoy wathcing the games more.
Welcome, I’m Game thread leader, Savage. How ya doing
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
What the heck was that….Clark in goalie gear?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
I attempted to comment on it earlier
but I can’t believe someone at the Tennessee Lottery thought it was a good idea to sponsor the Predators PP.
Did they just say
teh Avs have been called for 15 5 on 3’s. Thats redonkulous.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Stastny going to the box, let the penalty march continue…
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Yep, Altitude just had the brilliant comment that “The Avs need to stop going to the box” “That is for sure”. How do I get a job pointing out the obvious.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
My favorite Captain Obvious moment
was during a Broncos game and Phil Simms, CBS broadcaster extraordinaire, decided to say “Well, this is either going to be a run or a pass!” It was the best when the snap got fumbled and the play ended up being neither. Take that Simms.
Aww
Hejduk went in 1v4 and I really wanted to see him take his chances and burn all of them. Oh wtf, another penalty. God this game sucks tonight.
Best thing so far
was the pileup outside the benches when players tripped over each other just a few seconds ago. But then again, I’m joining late, so maybe there was some excitement during the 1st period.
Maybe they made a hostile take over of Santa?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
You can't hostile takeover Santa
He’ll send his TOW Missile at you and your pet bird
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Gawd
That was a snoozer of a second period. Avs look to be back to dump, chase, and lose.
Red Wings Suck
Santas just took the lead
damn them
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 7:31 PM MST reply actions
Yeah
Not a lot happened.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Clark leads in TOI
through two periods. No wonder we’re losing. Jones has just under 7 minutes, but has still managed a -2. Not good.
I wonder how many times we can see Jones’ name in a sentence followed shortly by “not good” before the romance will be completely warn off of that kid?
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Sooooooooooooooooo, before he turns into a slightly more talented version of Arny or after he’s traded to another team where he blossoms?
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Knowing the Avs it’ll be after he’s traded. then he’ll come back and be a more talented Arny.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I like him
and he’s shown flashes of being really good, but he’s just way too inconsistent right now. I don’t know why they aren’t giving Jones the Christ Stewart treatment, tbh.
Do the Avs have anyone they can replace him with on the Monsters. I think they might just have to hope he finds some consistency.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Yeah but is he ready for the NHL right now, would he have the same problem as Jones.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I don't think
he is ready yet. I agreed with management with putting another year of development into him before exposing him to the NHL. Of course, there’s only one way to find out…
I think we need a FA signing
Just to acquire an NHL ready forward, we’re losing players to iinjury and with Willsi possibly injured we may have no healthy scratches tomorow. Sign someone, hopefully for 1-2 mill so If Foppa really wants to play he can take 3-4 mill and return, If not then start prepering for Sakic and Foppa’s retirement night(s) and plan for the future. Let Stewart and Jones stay in the NHL a bit longer till they’re ready.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
The only guy
I would advocate bringing up would be Stewart, but management seems completely sold on giving him one more full season in the AHL before letting him crack the lineup. I think when Tucker comes back, he should takes Jones’s spot on the roster if he doesn’t at least gain some consistency.
But would you rather have Jones or Arny?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Me neither
but he had started playing much, much better before his injury. His first 15 games were completely forgettable, but he started to hit a bit of a groove after that. That being said, I still dislike the guy.
maybe even play Cumiskey as a forward?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
You know
I’ve had this thought. He has the blazing speed to be a factor, but I don’t know if he would at all translate.
Salei goal changed
Salei’s first goal has been changed to Symths goal. looks like Salei will have to get his first goal again.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Whoa
why is the Predators announcer wearing a scarf?
Also, the Salei goal has actually been changed to the Smyth goal.
Hey, I nearly froze to death at practice last night. Granted, Mother Nature was player her usual Oklahoma tricks (65 in the morning, 30 by noon), but still. Don’t knock the cold-ness of hockey rinks…
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Ice rinks are freezing, especially when you’r sitting down in shorts and a shirt waiting to pad up.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I’m considering going the long-johns route this winter under my gear. Or some of those UA leggings.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Altitdudes said tonight’s game will decide who is in goal for tomorrow night. Good gawd I hope we win. I can’t stand watching the trembling pile that is Raycroft in net.
Red Wings Suck
Raycroft was in net last time we faced them, but the team was scoring a ton of goals then as well (5-4 win).
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
If Raycroft starts the game in Dallas
I may not bother making the trip. It’s a terrible city to drive through, the people are awful, and I hate being there in general. If Raycroft is in goal, it really might not be worth it.
Great
Willsie still hasn’t returned to the Ice. We’ve been playing a man down since TuTu’s knee on knee in the first period.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
The same guy
who took the moral high ground and decided not to drop the gloves with Lappy. What a champ!
There doesn't seem to be any urgency at all
about trying to tie this game. They seem so non-chalant about it. Very annoyed by this.
They want to score in the final minute and avoid having Nashville beat them in the final minute.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
I don’t think they think that way….
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
The solution
is to open an excellent bottle of wine, like I just did, and everything will seem just fine.
Svatos
moving really well without the puck. He was creating openings in front of the net by having a defender shadowing him and he was constantly moving. Great to see him not just standing there anymore.
Avs PP
Nichols 2 mins for hooking. Hopefully they can get the tieing goal. Shoot from the point.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Avs on the PP
which means we have two minutes in their zone to pass the puck to each other as many times as we can.
Yes, yes we are
the Arnageddon approaches.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Man,
I can’t believe they only had ONE shot on that PP. Do they realize they are down by 1 goal? Argh!!! Apparently my wine isn’t strong enough to make that sucky PP okay.
Haha
This sucks. All of my posts are going through 30 seconds after attempting to post them. MHH is as efficient as the Avs special teams tonight.
This is just totally frustrating. We can’t pass, we can’t shoot. Hell, we can barely get in the damn zone. Hey Avs, we have a game to win here.
Red Wings Suck
Boods leaves
Empty net. how long before the preds score.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
No joy
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
They’res very rarely any joy in an Avs game.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Yeah. I’m kinda pissed at this game. We started out well and then just collapsed as the game went on. Another less than 60 minute effort. Woo.
Red Wings Suck
The third period
felt completely apathetic. They seemed entirely disinterested in scoring or even skating hard. Why?
They have no incentive. If any team deserved to get booed by their home fans it’s the Avs, not that i agree with it. The only teams that should get booed are the away teams and the dead Wings, regardless of where they are.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Also without Willsie we can’t even bench players to send a message since they’res no one to replace them with and I’d be surprised if they can call someone up for tomorows game.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I bet we see Cumisky as a forward.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
So the goal in the final second of 1st is the gwg. F-that
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
And out come the wolves
This will all be Boods fault. If he didn’t let that last second goal in, like he always does, The Avs might have won. Doesn’t matter that the Avs couldn’t score in the last 2 periods. All Boods fault, Am I right Dater
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Not his fault the Avs couldn’t find the puck in the final 20 seconds of that 1st period and Budaj face three great setups…
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Thats where you're wrong
Everything’s Boods fault. if it wasn’t for Boods we weouldn’t be wearing uniprons either. I don’t know how but I know thats his fault as well.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
to be fair
I thought that the last second goal was really, really soft. A pass that covers that much ice should leave no reason for Budaj to be THAT slow getting over. I’ll watch the replay later when I’m not so pissed off, but I think that goal should have been a save. At the same time, Legwand shouldn’t have been all by himself, either.
Budaj got over in time (after reviewing the highlight). Legwand shot the puck over his shoulder. So, Budaj got over but was down (or went down too early).
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Okay, cool.
So he got over, but I still think that’s a save he has to make. I was right about Legwand being pretty much alone though, right? I wasn’t just imagining the entire play?
McCormick gave up on him, and the pass should never have come across the ice like it did.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
I know!
That is a looooooooooooooong pass to make in that area of the ice. You almost never see those passes make it through! It was an excruciating breakdown.
From what i heard legwand was alone, as per usual. One thing I’ve noticed about Boods, is whenever there’s a wraparound attempt. He drops to his knees and lays his stick and blocker on the ground, which is good but it does leave the top shelf open if you can lift it over his shoulder.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Stastny
had some great chances tonight and he made two horrible plays with the puck. One on a turnover by Nashville earlier in the period that resulted in him skating into a defender, and that last play right there were he didn’t pass the puck to the open man in front of the next.
Imagine if this team ever learns how to play a full 20 minute period. It would have saved us 4 goals in the last two games.
Trainers
Not only do our players constantly get hurt, obviously no one on this team has trained hard enough to play a full game. I mean, what the hell? Now, Colorado is a good place to play because all they expect you to do is show up to practice, play games, and collect your paycheck?
Fire Granato. And the training staff.
/end rant
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Seriously
the team seems to consistently lose steam as the game is going on, and they have no concept of how to finish a game (and lately, a period). I would much rather see a team full of hard-working, less talented players who skate like every shift is their last than a team full of talented players loafing it out there.
But the monsters aren’t winning in their league right now, they wouldn’t be any better than the Avs.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
The Monsters aren't very good
and their three best players are playing in Colorado right now (though I think Hensick and Cumiskey deserve to stay up).
I’m fine with Cumiskey staying up, but only if he plays. there’s no point having our youngsters in the Avs if they’re not playing. They’d be better off getting experience in the AHL than in the press box listening to Daters hatred.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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I agree
that if they are up, they have to play. They aren’t developing at all by sitting in a suit every night. That being said, I think this team needs Cumiskey’s dynamic skating, because the slow footed Clark and Salei are getting abused on a nightly basis.
On that note, Salei had a good game tonight, I thought. Good shots, good D. He’s been more solid lately.
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He did play better tonight
but his overall body of work this season has been really poor. If he plays like he did tonight consistently, then I’ll leave him alone. He sure responded to my criticism, though =p
Yeah, sit Clark or Salei in place of Cumiskey when they have some healthy people. We’ll get to see what Cumiskey can do and it might send a message to Clark/Salei that they’re not automatic starters and they need to earn their ice time.
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The problem with sitting either of them
is Salei provides an excellent complement to Leopold/Liles on the PP (not that it usually helps…), and Clark is a fantastic shot blocker. Of course, they both have been soundly beaten time and time again this season. And yes, I know Salei played a good game tonight. Also, when Cumiskey has played, he was pretty invisible and didn’t do anything to standout.
Except clear the puck from our zone…..
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
And I’m really starting to believe the reason Clark blocks all those shots is because he is such a bad D man, he can’t do anything else. Skate, puck handle, score, defend hit…. Should I keep going?
Last I checked, hockey is played upright. Shot blocking should only be done in advantageous circumstances. Not all the time. See Mirtle.
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Ahaha
It’s funny you mention that. When I first typed that response out, I had an explanation of why I thought he blocked a lot of shots, and it basically agreed with what you said. He’s not a good enough of a defender to stay with guys, so he has to constantly put himself in front of them, which results in him either getting beat and giving up a nice chance, or a blocked shot/pass.
We need a clone of Herb Brooks, he’d tell them what to do. Hell just make them watch Miracle, that would probably help them more than their "Training’ staff.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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The sad thing is
FG did fill the team with those less-talented, harder-working types this summer remember?
Raycroft
and Tucker you mean? Did we really add anybody else? Other than the new defenseman’s name that I can’t spell yet.
Tjarnqvist?
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
We also added Ledin, who’s been stuck in the AHL on his one way contract. Tjarnquist doesn’t seem to be that much of a liabilty, yet. Tucker’s kinda improved but still a complete tool and Raycroft should change his glove to a blocker, he might use it that way.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Is Ledin playing? he had a broken foot last I heard…
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
No clue
On a side note, Is he in NHL 2k9. I can’t find him anywhere in NHL 09. He’s not on the Avs, Monsters or even HV71, his old team.
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Yeah
I forgot about Ledin because he hasn’t been playing, and I’ve been pleasantly surprised with Tjarnqvist (I’m totally going to have to type that out several times before learning it).
The guys who made the team this year are those guys like Mcleod, McCormick, Tucker, etc. They are supposed to be like Lappy, but he’s in a different league, it seems.
You mean a league that actually plays hard, tough hockey
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McLeod
has been good this year. Certainly much better than last year’s version. His early season goal scoring is obviously a thing of the past, but it was nice to have. McCormick has been a huge bust in my mind. We gave up Brad Richardson to open that spot for him? Really? I’d much rather Richardson (though I haven’t paid any attention to him this season at all, so I don’t know how he’s progressed) at this point. /sigh
Also
Tucker, while also being an annoying prick, had a reputation for being able to score some goals. I believe he’s scored over 20 multiple times in his career, and for a guy with his skill set, that’s pretty impressive and nice to have on the lower lines.
Yeah, apart from the clip on Schultz and subsequent shitstorm that created Tucker has been all right, especially the last few games he played before being injured.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Except he got bought out because he was no longer playing with his agitating heart and was no longer producing the goals. The man really is a psycho. Lappy is all heart, baby. Lappy wins every time.
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I could see the Avs maybe buying him out as well if he doesn’t produce. Seems he’s atrracted a lot of bad publicity.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Same thing
I’d be surprised to see him in aunipron next year.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Thanks
for recapping some of Stastny’s moves tonight. I thought he was totally invisible. Like 90% of the team. Was Liles even dressed for the game?
Liles played awful tonight.
He went to support the puck in the corners on multiple occasions, leaving his man completely alone…right in front of Budaj. It led to one very good scoring chance by Wade freaking Belak.
It was the only period you needed to watch…might as well have not even played the rest of the game.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Still deciding if I'm actually going or not
The idea that Raycroft may play terrifies me. 8 hours of driving and being in Dallas just to see his floppy glove get smoked 5 times doesn’t sound too appealing.
I’d say wait till you hear who’s in net. If it’s Boods you could probably go, If it’s Raycroft don’t bother, join me as we take over MHH. It’s not like you rarely see hockey or anything.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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yeah
but it’s a 4 hour drive, so they have to let me know who is playing before I gear up for the extremely boring drive to and from Dallas.
I'm just curious
At this point, with problems all over the place, whom do you blame? Granato, Giguere, Lacroix, Dater???
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 8:50 PM MST reply actions
Yeah, all i heard was that Bettman’s deciding his fate tomorow and that he’ll probably never wear the Dallas jersey again, which wouldn’t surprise anyone. be interesting if any NHL team ever signed him again. I think his NHL career may be over regardless of what happens tomorow. he’s a loose cannon.
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Just Because You Asked
I think the suspension is bullshit. Was he over the line? Sure. But my only reaction to what he said was “Oh, Snap!”.
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I don’t mind the suspension, I think personal attacks in the media on family and friends crosses a line, even attacks on players in the media to an extent. I don’t want it to end up like the NFL or NBA, but I also think he’s being used as a bit of a scapegoat as well because everyone knows who he is and what he said got publicity. As long as the NHL maintain this stance on personal attacks like this regardless of whetehr it’s Avery or Cumiskey I don’t mind.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Avery did not go out and kill his pregnant girlfriend, rape a woman, or get busted for hanging in a strip club. This is nothing like what goes on in those leagues. My gawd. Are hockey fans so “classy” they can’t tell the difference.
I have to stop now.
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I’m wasn’t so much talking about that kinda stuff. You don’t really hear about that over here. It was more the whole gangsta “everything revolves around me” “I’m so good, It’s all me” mentality that you hear ll of them talk about in interviews that i don’t want it to end up as. I don’t want the MSM to talk about fueds between players in the media or anything like that.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Feuds between players? Teams? Wings/Avs? Habs/Nords?
Last season’s playoff match up between the Avs/Wings was all about “there will be blood”. The American society is still so Puritanical and stuck in the Victorian era it’s sickening. Violence and war OK. Sex and sexual comments BAD.
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Well
when you say things that I completely agree with that most people won’t say, it inspires me to re-affirm the friendship.
I thought I was you’r friend.
Savage is sad now.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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It’s true. I’m incredibly funny and cute and humble. Everyone likes me.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Oh I see
This is where I get all upset and jealous and stomp off or something.
Oh, wait. This isn’t The Hills.
Till he wrecked his knee or something. See I’m also super healthy.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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That wasn't me.
Mine was concussions. You get your cage rattled three times in four months, then happen to be watching ESPN one day about a guy who got 4 concussions in 5 months, with the fourth killing him, and you get freaked out. At least, I did. After that, I hung up the skates and moved away from playing sports for a few years.
Well I’ve had my mask rattled about 10 times in the last month, plus 3 concussions in a week didn’t stop Nate Adams from riding FMX.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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He's more hardcore than I am.
I was 16, coming off a death in the family, and decided I wasn’t ready for it myself. So, you know. I just laid off.
Death doesn’t make you less hardcore. It just is. We do the best we can, when we can. Especially at 16.
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Pretty much.
The three of us have really stuck it out tonight, eh?
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
I am still lurking, but playing NHL2K9….
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Dec 4, 2008 10:00 PM MST up reply actions
We need to come up with a super awesome nickname for you, since you seem to be the other guy that stays in threads for a while. We got Tex, Bubblegum and the supergreat Savage. but none for you.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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I wanted to rock NHL 09
but I played for three hours the other day, only to have it freeze on me. Needless to say, I’m a little pissed about it.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 4, 2008 10:02 PM MST up reply actions
As a side note
I’ve always wondered what would happen if the comments got all the way over here. Now I know. This is trippy.
Yeah it is, It just pushes them down when you reply to someone in the middle. Very confusing
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Wanna just restart at the bottom lolol?
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 4, 2008 10:03 PM MST up reply actions
I'm there.
I don’t work tonight, but my body is still on the working all night schedule, so I’ll be up for several more hours.
by A.J. Haefele on Dec 4, 2008 10:05 PM MST up reply actions
Team rivalries are different IMO, it’s expected that their’ll be a big rivalry between teams that the media loves to cash in on. Its the personal player rivalries in the media that i hate, like the whole Crosby/Ovechkin Adams/Pastrana and Mirra/Nyquist rivalries that I hate. And when one of the players goes out of his way to start a personal rivalry with another player in the media it deeply angers me. there’s no place for that in hockey since it detracts form the game. The Dallas/Calgary game would have gone from being about those two teams to being all about Avery and Phaneuf.
But yes the American, and Aussie for that matter, societys are still stuck in the Victorian era and its crap.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I wasn't offended by what he said
I’ve said worse. The dude is just a world class jackass. His cockiness offends me.
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 9:29 PM MST up reply actions
What??
No way have you said worse. Nobody with “nana” in their name even has mean fibers in their body!
The real issue here is just like Jibble has said, then. If his cockiness is a problem in the locker room and the Stars don’t like him, then it should have been the Stars who took him out, not the NHL. They were, after all, stupid enough to sign him.
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I think the NHL suspending him was more just to show they won’t take personal attacks in the media lightly and they don’t want them happening. I agree that any serious punishments, ie. de-registering him or banning him from the NHL should not be handled by the NHL and it’s up to the Stars if they want to buy him out or let him suffer in the AHL.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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You know
hockey has always been lucky enough to keep that outward, public arrogance out of it’s image, but in these days when perception is reality, I’m not sure the NHL knows what to do with a guy like Avery. There have been plenty of pests before him, and there will always be types like him in the future. The problem is he’s a unique blend of being a pest, but being good enough to warrant a roster spot, and then being one who loves the public spotlight to make sure everyone knows he’s a huge asshole. He’s an enigma in hockey, whereas he would fit in just fine in football or the NBA.
Exactly
Thats my problem and why I think suspending him was a good idea, the fact he loves the spotlight and doesn’t care who he pisses off means he’ll only ever be a detriment to the league and if suspending him has even a remote chance at changing him I’ll all for it. I’m not saying he should be de-registered by the NHl, that should be left to Dallas and subsequently the other 29 teams to decide that, and I’m not saying he should be suspended for the rest of the year. A 1 to 3 game suspension is fine with me since it shows that they won’t take his crap.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Part of the problem though
is that the precedent is now set. If Martin Brodeur comes out and talks smack about someone, they have to suspend him based on their own rules. Now, I don’t think Brodeur would ever do that, he was just the first player to come to mind. If Crosby comes out and makes fun of Ovie’s mom, they have to suspend him, right?
Pretty much, yeah
But the difference is they have too much class and intelligence, well maybe not Brodeur, to do that and it wouldn’t become a problem.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Since you brought up Broduer, what about him being “unsportsman-like” and not shaking Avery’s hand after the play-off loss last year? No one cared to suspend him for that and no one cared to suspend Avery for his on-ice antics which actually do hurt the game. In fact, Broduers actions were not well either although no hockey fan blamed him.
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That's my problem
and I think I’m coming off as defending Avery, but I’m definitely not. It’s just the league doesn’t know what to do with him, so they took drastic measures and I think they’re going to pay for it in the long run. They set a very, very bad precedence with this suspension.
I personally think Brodeur not shaking his hand was lame, if you hate the guy do what I do after every sporting event that we get thrashed in or has tools in it. Just limply stick your hand out and dont look at the guy. I think this whole suspension was not only for the comments, which deserved a suspension anyway, but also because of how much trouble Averys been in, there was the cancer thing with Jason Blake, the warm-up with Tucker, the screening of brodeur and so on that they decided enough was enough and they had to do something.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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I agree with you both. It’s just a real lame way to deal with him. And I also look like an Avery defender but I think we all know that’s not the case with me or Bubble-Rama. There. I grouped the two of yous into one nickname.
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Not as good as mine, but then nobodies as good as me. Its impossible.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Well Now
You didn’t try to come up with a nickname clause, now did you? So by default, I win. For now,
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Yeeeah
the LEAGUE suspending him like that was the part that I didn’t like. And really, come on. What he said was nothing compared to some of the stuff he’s said in the past on camera. Also, the whole stage production act of it all annoyed me. The way he asked if there were any cameras around, and then went out of his way to say what he did, and the way he said it. It all felt so fabricated that it was hard to really take it seriously.
What I didn't like
He held the sport I love up for ridicule to the rest of the world. People who don’t know about hockey will use this to further their stereotypes of hockey players. It wasn’t just this one incident but the culmination of so many. He needed to be reigned in like the stupid child he is.
hockeynana
by hockeynana on Dec 4, 2008 9:12 PM MST up reply actions
Thats my main problem as well. And the asking about cameras and that annoys me because it shows he went out of his way to say it when he knew it would make the biggest impact. Crap like that does not belong in hockey. Theres a difference between promoting a game by talking about the teams involved and their rivalry and promoting a game with a personal attack on someone. thats just classless, and I don’t even like Cuthbert and agree with what Avery said about her. It’s the way he said it that angers me.
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Not a bad effort
Almost 400 comments, not as good as Bubblegums triumphant return but considering this was a pathetic match its not too bad at all.
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Haha
I think the post game commentary has been much livelier and more in-depth than anything we talked about during the game.
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