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Better Know A Rivalry: The Red Wings

So the Wings it is.  After the Flame-Outs lived up to their clever nickname once again by losing to the Jeremy Roenick-led San Jose Sharks last night (at least Mike Keenan got to yank a goalie, his favorite hobby), the matchups for the Western Conference Semifinals have been set.

San Jose will face Dallas.

Colorado will face Detroit.  Hoo boy.

Now, before I get going, let me state one more time for the record: the "Blood Feud" between the Red Wings and the Avalanche is over.  It ended before the Lockout.  The lineups of both teams are almost completely different than the last time the two teams met in the playoffs (2002!).  With the exceptions of names like Hasek, McCarty, Forsberg, Foote and Sakic, nobody is left who has first-hand experience of the brutal, vicious regular season and playoff games between the two teams in the 90s and early Aughts.

But that doesn't mean we, as Avalanche fans, wouldn't love to see the Dead Wings crash and burn hard in the second round.  Our hatred for them, though waning at times, will persist forever.

This will be the sixth playoff series between the two teams since the Avalanche franchise moved to Denver from Quebec in 1995.  The Avs' record in those series is 3-2, but the Wings lead in total Cups won by the same count.

The history:

1996: Western Conference Finals - Avs won 4 games to 2 (won Cup)
1997: Western Conference Finals - Wings won 4 games to 2 (won Cup)
1999: Western Conference Semifinals - Avs won 4 games to 2
2000: Western Conference Semifinals - Avs won 4 games to 1
2002: Western Conference Finals - Wings won 4 games to 3 (won Cup)

Of interest is the fact that every year the Avs have met the Wings in the Western Conference Finals, the winning team has gone on to win the Cup.  When they've met in the Semifinals (like they will starting tomorrow night), neither team has won the ultimate prize.  Does that matter now?  It might, since it's arguable (and likely for at least one of the teams) that neither is really a Cup contender compared to favorites like San Jose or even Pittsburgh.  

But none of that matters.  

What might matter is the fact that the Wings dominated the Avs in the regular season, winning four games to none (including three shutouts).  But, like Terry Frei points out, the Avalanche lineup that got crushed back before March is considerably different than the one currently in the playoffs.  Forsberg and Foote are back (and playing well).  Ryan Smyth, Joe Sakic and Paul Stastny are all healthy and playing well.  The defense is light years better with the addition of Ruslan Salei and the subtraction of Karlis Skrastins.  The Avs' penalty kill was superb against the Wild and the power play has improved.  

Now, are the changes in Colorado enough to overcome the Red Wings, the team that won the President's Trophy for like the fiftieth year in a row and put away the scrappy Nashville Predators in six games?  Maybe.

The Wings do have a recent legacy of regular season dominance and post-season collapse to overcome.  Last year it was in the Western Conference Finals against the Ducks.  Before that it was in the first round against the Oilers.  Before that it was in the Semifinals against Calgary.  The Red Wings haven't been to a Cup final since they won it all in 2002.  The Avs haven't been since the previous year, when they last won it all.

So what are the Avs' chances against the Wings?  Honestly, I have no idea.  But I do know that their success will rely on the solid oak Pimp Cane of Jose Theodore, and Adam Foote will have more than just one star player to harass like he did against Minnesota.  The Wings have two superstar forwards in Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk.  And the oft-inconsistent Avalanche offense will have to contend with Nicklas Lidstrom and Brian Rafalski, not to mention underrated Niklas Kronwall.  Oh, and Chris Osgood had a great year and two solid playoff games so far in relief of the Lowest Common Dominator, Dominik Hasek.

The Wings, no doubt about it, will be a formidable opponent.  And so, too, will be the Wings bloggers, my favorite of whom is Bill over at A2Y.  I look forward to flagrantly insulting him for at least the next week and a half.  The good news is, bitter though they are, Wings diehards tend to have much better senses of humor than those god-awful Wild fans.

ADDENDUM: The first shot has been fired.  Bernie Lincicome at the Rocky Mountain News has launched the opening salvo of the ego-obsessed sports columnist battle to come.  Can't wait for Paige and Kiszla to weigh in with their own deep thoughts.  As for Detroit, do they even have newspapers anymore?  Boooosh!!  See, I can do it too!

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1 of those losses

Hejduk scored that obvious goal that the refs made a phantom call on Hannan to negate. The score would have moved to 1-1 with no empty netter. Clearly this doesn't mean the Avs would have won or anything, but I wanted to mention it because the Duke made a good play.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Apr 23, 2008 7:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I admire you

I had totally blocked the details of those games out of my head.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 23, 2008 8:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what to think of this series

Well, as a Wings fan, I'm not sure what to make of this series.  This is obviously not the same Avs team that the Wings beat 4-0 during the regular season and we all know that the regular season means nothing.  The Wings defense will be more of a challenge for the Avs than the Wild and the Wings bring a lot more offense than Minnesota (duh).  Forsberg is a Wing killer (arrggh!).    

I think it will be a good, tough series.    

I've already been taking a lot of abuse the last few days, just getting ready for it to go up a few notches.  The life of a Wings fan in Denver.

by hockeychic on Apr 23, 2008 8:46 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

totally agree

This series could be over in 4, or go 7 and be a series for the ages, who knows.   It should be fun regardless, both teams play hard and like to get the other team riled up.    I don't think it'll have nearly as much animosity as in the past, but with names like Maltby, Laperriere, Chelios, Forsberg, Holmstrom, Foote, Salei, etc. anything could happen.   Can't wait til tomorrow!

by jd21 on Apr 23, 2008 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE:Not sure what to think of this series

I'm on a similar pattern of thought.
The Redwheeled Wings are not as dominating as they were in the regular season.  
The Avs are a MUCH different team then they were in those regular season games.  And most of those games were closer than a scoreboard indicated.

I hope the Avs can continue to hold the edge not only in the playoffs series (3-2) but also in the Conference Semi's series(2-0).  But this is the playoffs and it's going to be a wild ride!

by Americanario on Apr 23, 2008 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Alot

I had just finished the therapy to forget those 4 'games'. Now I have to back through that process.

Thanks,
Jerk.

On a serious note, those games the Avs were closer to being the Monsters than the Avs.

by Drakenlot on Apr 23, 2008 8:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Can we call the Wings

the MonSTARS?

Sorry, I just watched Space Jam and I'm running on pure delirium right naooo. Insomnia really can suck sometimes.

As per this topic, I'm not at all interested in the Wings. I would be okay never, ever playing them again. I've had an insane month of stressful sports, and it's not getting any easier and I'm ready to take some time off. This series is going to test every bit of strength I have as a human being.

By the way, I just watched the Final Destination movies in a row (there's 3, no kidding). Interesting stuff. It's too bad the third one got ruined by the main character being whiny and pathetic all movie long, unlike the strong-willed TUFF leads in the first two. The absence of Ali Larter was a nice coup. She can't act worth shit.

Uh, yeah, I think I'm done.

OMNOMNOMZ

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 23, 2008 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

RE:

No matter how bad an actress Larter is, she is worth any screen time simply cause she is smoking, have you seen her in Heroes?

by Drakenlot on Apr 23, 2008 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: RE:

I've never watched Heroes (or heard of Ali Larter before now), but now I wish I had.

She seems like a nice girl.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 23, 2008 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

She's the same girl who does the whipped cream bikini in Varsity Blues

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 23, 2008 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was actually

her first big role.

I feel bad that I know so much about so many movie stars =[

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 23, 2008 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Heroes

she definitely is on fire, but in FD 2, she is far from it. She was a lot younger back then, makeup artists weren't as good, and it didn't help that she was playing a slightly deranged chick trying to get herself off of death's list.

Technically, at point in the movie, she IS on fire...

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 23, 2008 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets not rule out

the motivation factor.  this team will be driven to prove they're a different team than the one that got blown out in the regular season.

And the Avs are a different team -- they're more skilled, they're clicking, and most of all, they're a physical team now.  How will Detroit's smaller, finesse team handle getting physically pounded?  They certainly haven't handled big physical teams well in the playoffs in recent years...

Despite DD's derision for this comment at ITCS, I think going from Backstrom -> Osgood/Hasek is a + for the Avs.  Obviously the red wings play better D in front of them, but on pure goalies, I'm liking it.

key for us will be stopping their PP.  If we can't at least slow it, we will lose.

But I think we will.  Avs in 6.

by thedoctor on Apr 23, 2008 11:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

My prediction

I'm not making one on the grounds that no matter which side I choose, the Avs always lose whenever I predict.

But I do like your prediction. The sound of beating the Wings at the Can is delicious, as delicious as eating some wings sound right now...

I'm stopping at Wild Wings on the way home.

PS, I'm quite aware it's called Wild Wings...

by Drakenlot on Apr 23, 2008 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: My prediction

Yeah, but the real challenge will come in the Western Conference Finals when you have to find a restaurant called "Wild Wings Sharks."

by Joe Dunman on Apr 23, 2008 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wild Wings Sharks

Does a Wild Wings and Dr.Shark office side-by side count?

If not, I'll have a tough time.

by Drakenlot on Apr 23, 2008 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Wild Wings Sharks

Is there really a Dr. Shark office next door?  Really?

Then yes, it counts.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 23, 2008 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, it counts

The universe would surely see such a coincedence in a favorable light.

by Mike @ MHH on Apr 23, 2008 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been a while

But yes there was, at least a couple years ago there was.

I hope both are still there.

by Drakenlot on Apr 23, 2008 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re:Wild Wings

They don't even have a Wild Wings in San Jose (which sucks balls let me tell you)

However, I think it counts if you can find a guy named "Jose" working there.

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 23, 2008 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Wild WIngs

That's almost a guarantee.  

by Joe Dunman on Apr 23, 2008 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Physical

This is why I think a long series play towards the Avs. They can punish the Wings more than they can punish the Avs with physical play.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Apr 23, 2008 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draper

runs around McCarty's apartment/rehab house in nothing but that jersey pictured to .... you know .... see what happens from there.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 23, 2008 3:52 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

another point:

small sample size, I know, but the avs PP was at 20.7% last round.  the red wings?  11.5%.  6 PP goals for us to 3 for them in similar amounts of chances.

for all the talking about their special teams being better than ours, that doesn't bode well for them in the next round...

by thedoctor on Apr 23, 2008 4:19 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I Really Don't Know What to Say

Everyone has pretty much covered the angles of this match up.  All I know is that right now, I am caught between excitement (I love to hate the Wings) and trauma (All the Wing's fans in the Can cheering louder than us in February).  I had never walked out of a game before the three stars were called.  Never.  In February, I left in the final five minutes of the third period.  I was completely disgusted that the Wing's fan were so much louder than us.  I was heart broken at the play of my beloved team and my hate for Q only grew stronger.

While I agree we are a different team than we were during that game, I saw some blunders in the Minnesota series that make me worry.  Especially how we failed to show up in game 5.  I am not ready to throw our playoff season on the back of Theo.  I just don't think he is that good, last series not withstanding.  He has had one week of full-on MSM obsession with his play - read one full week of heavy jinx.

Our boys do not play well after long breaks and I fear that giving up the first game in Detroit will set the tone for the entire series.

I realize the rivalry is dead.  However, if the Avs could hold a seance and conjure up a piece of the passion sparked by the rivalry left for dead six years ago, I would believe we have a chance.

I still believe one thing -
RED WINGS SUCK!

by texacogirl on Apr 23, 2008 6:44 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Maltby & Holmstrom

I hope Q is telling McCleod to make his personal mission to turn Maltby & Holmstrom into older versions of the Wild's Villeaux.

I wonder how much extra Maltby has to tip the equipment guy to pack his diving flippers for each game?

by jd21 on Apr 24, 2008 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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