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The "Nameless Goalie" Rule And A Comment On Diving

I've got a lot to write about today, so bear with me.

The Nameless Goalie Rule

I know it's confusing a few people, so I'll try to clarify this blog's rule on mentioning the Avalanche goalie's name during game threads.

The purpose of this rule is to avoid jinxing the goalie, which is real and happens all the time.  In the initial game thread post, I will avoid using the name, and during the game while the goalie is on the ice (or on the bench for the extra attacker), his name cannot be used.  If that goalie is pulled or otherwise out of the lineup, his name can once again be used.  You see?  Last night, when Jose Theodore was pulled for Peter Budaj, we could once again talk about Theodore because he was out of the game, and Budaj was then off-limits because he was playing.

It is almost a certainty that when someone writes "great save by Theo!" in a game thread, or "Budaj has been awesome so far," he will immediately give up three goals on three shots and the Avalanche will lose.  It has happened before.  

Once the game is over, you can mention the names all you want because it can't affect their play in that game anymore.

Now, the reason I discourage the mentioning of goalie numbers, nicknames or even the position itself during the game is that jinxes can be set just through the intention of the jinxer.  You might say "number 60," but you really mean "Jose Theodore," and that's the same thing as saying his name, as far as jinxes go.

It is best to pretend the goalie doesn't exist during the game.  I know it's hard not to compliment him (or disparage him) when it's appropriate, but you're not doing him any favors.  Just pretend he's not there until he's off the ice and the game is over.  It's not that hard if you set your mind to it.

Am I insane?  Maybe.  But it's my rule, so hang in there with me.

Diving

Any time an opposing blogger or fan talks about Peter Forsberg, they routinely cite his reputation for diving---embellishing a penalty---and call him some clever nickname like "Flopsberg" or "Floppa."  He's not alone in drawing this ire.  Most skilled players in the league---the goal scorers and playmakers---are the targets of aggressive defense because they're the ones who set up the plays and score the goals.  Obviously they are the ones the defensemen are after.  The skilled guys are the ones who draw the penalties because they're the ones being obstructed and abused---it's the only way to stop them.

ADDENDUM: Has Peter Forsberg ever taken a dive?  Certainly.  Has he also taken a lot of abuse that wasn't called by the officials but should have been?  Without a doubt.  I'm not making excuses for him, just using him as an example.

In his article about what strategies the Rangers should follow against the Penguins, New York Post "writer" Larry Brooks (see what I did there?  Ha!) has this to say:

Equally important, however, is what the Rangers must not do in this marquee matchup between Broadway's bright lights and Sidney Crosby's name above the title, for they must not become preoccupied with Pittsburgh's - and No. 87's - penchant for embellishing and contesting every call, and they must not become consumed with matching lines against Crosby or Evegni Malkin.

Crosby is a diver!  He fakes penalties!!  What a horrible player!!

The whole "diving" label strikes me as ridiculous.  There isn't a single hockey player on the ice in the NHL that hasn't, at least once, exaggerated the effect of a tripping, holding, roughing, high-sticking or any other kind of penalty against them.  When you can fake out the refs and set your team up with the man advantage, a little embellishment seems like a smart move.  Is it honorable?  Not really.  Is trying to trip, hold, rough or hit a guy with a stick honorable?  Nope.  Does it really matter?  Not at all.

The whole "diver" label is tossed around so much it means nothing anymore.  Every team facing another with a skilled, dangerous offensive player will call that guy a diver.  And then, during off-season free agency, they will do their best to sign him because he's awesome and they know it.

I could call Henrik Zetterberg a diver (just an example), but why?  What difference would it make?  I know for certain that, given the chance and the cap space, Francois Giguere would sign him to the Avalanche roster and we'd all wet ourselves in excitement.  

So let's drop the silly "he's a diver OMG WTF?!" stuff and just embrace the fact that good embellishment is both a part of the game and a hard thing to get away with on a regular basis.  Everybody does it, it's not going away.  Shut up already Bruce Ciskie.

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My thing with diving - yes every player does it.  What I don't like is people that whine and complain about calls even though they dish it out just as well (i.e. Crosby, Forsberg).  Stastny did a heck of a good job selling that penalty in the 3rd last night.  I'll give him credit for that.

by hockeychic on Apr 25, 2008 9:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Re: diving

I just don't understand how something so common is the source of so much ire.  Of course players are going to complain about calls---sometimes they actually believe they're the wrong call.

Almost every single player has both embellished and complained about calls in their career.  Some do it more than others.  It's part of the game.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 25, 2008 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dives

I DO think Forsberg is one of the biggest embellishers. I also think other players get away with more penalties against Forsberg than any other player so it kind of washes out for me. (the Sean Hill tackle leading to incidental minors, anyone?)

Bottom line, everyone does it. It's the nature of the game. You feel a stick near your feet, you go down. You feel a stick near your face (or, in Todd Fedoruk's case, on your shoulder) and you snap your head back. Forsberg does it. Crosby does it. And so does just about everyone else in the fucking NHL. Singling out a few players for it is silly.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 25, 2008 9:23 AM MDT reply actions  

Re: Dives

My point exactly.  I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone, just pointing out that the term "diver" doesn't mean much of anything.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 25, 2008 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

diving

"Any time an opposing blogger or fan talks about Peter Forsberg, they routinely cite his reputation for diving---embellishing a penalty---and call him some clever nickname like "Flopsberg" or "Floppa."  He's not alone in drawing this ire.  Most skilled players in the league---the goal scorers and playmakers---are the targets of aggressive defense because they're the ones who set up the plays and score the goals.  Obviously they are the ones the defensemen are after.  The skilled guys are the ones who draw the penalties because they're the ones being obstructed and abused---it's the only way to stop them."

I was going to suggest you watch Zetterberg and Datsyuk, but you brought it up...

"I could call Henrik Zetterberg a diver, but why?"

No, actually you couldn't.  Diving is about when there is contact and you go down to draw a penalty even though you could have fought through it, or you go down wen there wasn't really any contact but you wanted it to look like there was.

Zetterberg and Datsyuk stay strong on the puck and don't go down unless they're truly dragged down or tripped.  Forsberg goes down if you look at him funny.

by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 25, 2008 9:29 AM MDT reply actions  

Regarding Nameless Goalie Rule

"Intention" Joe? Have you taken your meds today darlin?

by Rookie14 on Apr 25, 2008 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

Re: Regarding...

I included the disclaimer that I might be insane.  I admit that.

And no, I can't find my happy pills.  WHY DO YOU ASK?!!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 25, 2008 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Re: Happy pills

Get thee to a Canadian pharmacy! Hey, you said "insane" not me. I'm just getting a little worried about you is all.

by Rookie14 on Apr 25, 2008 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Re: Happy pills

I appreciate your concern.  I'll be much better sometime in June when these stupid NHL playoffs are finally over.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 25, 2008 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hosers

The whole "diving" label strikes me as ridiculous.  There isn't a single hockey player on the ice in the NHL that hasn't, at least once, exaggerated the effect of a tripping, holding, roughing, high-sticking or any other kind of penalty against them.  When you can fake out the refs and set your team up with the man advantage, a little embellishment seems like a smart move.  Is it honorable?  Not really.  Is trying to trip, hold, rough or hit a guy with a stick honorable?  Nope.  Does it really matter?  Not at all.

I want you all to remember this when you make fun of soccer players next time

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 25, 2008 12:01 PM MDT reply actions  

huh

diving is the only reason to make fun of soccer players?

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 25, 2008 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Re: soccer

Oh sure... Who's laughing now!
Sorry, forgot this was a hockey blog for a moment.

by Rookie14 on Apr 25, 2008 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but ...

... Dida, dude.  I mean, yes, there's diving in hockey, too, and in basically any contact sport, but you don't generally see non-soccer players feigning a headshot after a neck slap.

by andrew @ Mile High Hockey on Apr 25, 2008 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Re: Yeah, but...

Or rolling around on the ice with the most pained look on their faces ever, then immediately jumping up and back into the game.

by Joe Dunman on Apr 26, 2008 4:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are you serious

All those injuries that require the stretcher are faked, i thought they just had superhuman recovery.

by Savage33 on Apr 26, 2008 7:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

In all fairness

Let me be serious for a moment here.

When Scott Hannan was hurt the other night he toughed his way to the bench and the Avs were able to replace him on the ice. They didn't have to work shorthanded at all. He then was able to get treatment and return to play later in the game. There are many other examples of this happening, that was just the most recent.

Soccer players have no such luxury (since once you sub out, you can't go back in). If they leave the field for an injury their team plays a man down until they get back on the field. So if I've twisted an ankle or knee or injured myself to the point where I know I will return if i just give it a few moments getting up and walking it off is a detriment to my team. But laying down and getting the game stopped and getting a little treatment is a benefit to the team. It's not that he's not (usually) hurt it's that he needs a few moments and doesn't want his team to be shorthanded while he heals himself up. Then the trainers come out, put the cocaine water (or numbing agent) on and he's good to go, without costing his team.

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 26, 2008 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'll add that

to my list of stupid soccer rules, It now gets to join the stupid Offside rule, seriously apart from lasting up to the goal if i have 2 players running at the goalie and no defenders why can't i pass the ball between them without getting called offside.

by Savage33 on Apr 26, 2008 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

diving

When you can fake out the refs and set your team up with the man advantage, a little embellishment seems like a smart move.  Is it honorable?  Not really.  Is trying to trip, hold, rough or hit a guy with a stick honorable?  Nope.  Does it really matter?  Not at all.

and in the playoffs this logic is magnified.  nobody remembers the dive, they just remember the Cup.

by PaulinMiamiBeach on Apr 25, 2008 12:11 PM MDT reply actions  

i love how

Dead Wing fans always complain about Forsberg being the biggest diver in the NHL, they have the Flopinator Dominick Hasek. Anytime you went near the crease he went down like he was hit by a shotgun blast, he actually had to be told by his coach not to dive after the Sharks(I think) scored a goal when he was down on the ice after a dive.

by Savage33 on Apr 25, 2008 5:58 PM MDT reply actions  

I think it was Calgary, no?

I remember that.  I gained a ton of respect for Babcock calling a spade a spade on that one.  For any Wing fan, a fan of a team that still has diving pukes like Draper, Chelios, Maltby and Hasek, to pipe in on the subject is laughable at best.

by Bob in Boulder on Apr 28, 2008 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe Calgary

I remeber seeing a replay of it on another game. I know i  saw  a game where Hasek got called for diving, that might have been the sharks one.

by Savage33 on Apr 28, 2008 5:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

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