You Say Granaito, I Say Granato
[Please forgive the incredibly lame (and nonsensical) title. It's been a long week. - Joe]
So we've all had a night to calmly and politely reflect on the not-so-surprise re-hiring of Tony Granato as the head coach of the Colorado Avalanche. Our initial shock and massive migraine have subsided by now. The Percocet hangover is starting to kick in.
Some of us were outraged yesterday. Some of us were unimpressed but un-angry. Others were at least open to the idea that Granato could be maybe a good coach for the current incarnation of the Avalanche. Maybe. I think there's probably at least one guy, somewhere, that is really excited and happy that GM Francois Giguere went the way that he did---and that one guy is not even named "Tony Granato."
It is what it is. Despite the obvious and overwhelmingly negative reaction from the fans and the hockey blogosphere in general, not to mention most of us at MHH, Tony Granato is the new old coach of the Avalanche. Whether it was Giguere acting alone or on the orders of team president (and former GM) Pierre Lacroix, it doesn't really matter. We're stuck with him, at least for now, and we'll just have to get used to it.
It could be worse, for whatever that's worth.
Really, like I said in my last post, the choice of Granato as coach isn't the real story here. Granato's been in the organization for a while, has growing coaching experience and is well-liked by the front office. The fact that he wasn't even considered a serious candidate for the job by ANYONE in the Denver sports media is the real story here. Adrian Dater had no idea . Terry Frei was running stories about Todd McLellan. And it wasn't just the Denver Post that was in the dark, it was the Rocky Mountain News, too. They hardly mentioned anything about potential coaching candidates and I can't find a single article saying Granato was the top candidate. According to Francois Giguere himself :
"He was my first choice," said Giguere, who parted ways with coach Joel Quenneville by mutual agreement earlier this month. "I'm convinced today that Tony is the best coach for us."
And yet our esteemed beat guys and know-it-all columnists had no clue whatsoever.
This suggests two things to me. One, the Avalanche Cone Of Silence continues to be a formidable opponent for anyone seeking information about the team, and two, the Avalanche beat guys and columnists aren't trying especially hard. I like Dater and Frei and Rick Sadowski seems like a cool dude, but the fact that nobody saw this coming suggests that they all, at some level, failed to do their jobs. Again, I know how serious the Avalanche is about controlling press coverage and "the message", and I know that must be frustrating. And I've never been a beat reporter, so I don't know how tough that job can be. But Granato's re-hiring as coach broadsided everyone, and that's pretty tough to swallow.
The second major theme of Granato's re-hiring is the apparent obsession with the past that Francois Giguere has developed. First it was Peter Forsberg, then Adam Foote. Now he's got Granato behind the bench. What's next? Sandis Ozolinsh on the blue line? Sure, Forsberg and Foote both played really well at the end of the season, and their return powered the team to the second round of the playoffs, but the Avs can't run on memories forever. At some point they're going to have to shift into a forward-thinking mindset. If that means some old friends have to find other places to play and coach hockey, then so be it.
Ultimately, Granato will probably do pretty well, and the Avs will probably like him and the chemistry, goaltending and power play problems they faced under Quenneville will probably be addressed. He wasn't anyone's first (or second, or third, or fourth) choice for the head coaching job, but it's not the end of the world. We'll just have to come to grips with the fact that the Stanley Cup will elude them for at least another season.
Let's not kill each other in the comments over this.
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If they didn’t know, fine – I’m 100% okay with speculation. But by not mentioning Granato – the guy who’s name has come up among fans and bloggers any time the word “fire” and “Quenneville” were used in the same sentence – it made it seem like they had some additional information there. Obviously, in retrospect, they didn’t.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 23, 2008 8:48 AM MDT reply actions
The morning after...
and I’m coming to terms with it. Oh well, we’ll just have to see how it pans out.
I'm still a fan
just a pissed off one right now. Maybe Granato will shock the hockey world.
About the only possible plus that I can hope for is that FG sought player input before this decision was made, and guys like Sakic, Stats, etc. gave TG a sterling recommendation. Then maybe most of their problems this past season were Q’s fault and TG was at odds with Q? Maybe he’ll be better with young guys like Wolski? Maybe there will be peace in the middle east soon?
Bargaining
See Bob’s going through the Kübler-Ross model just like me
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)
by Jibblescribbits on May 23, 2008 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
And maybe...
...Wolski will finally start playing hard every night and be a pro instead of going 100 percent only in fits and starts. Get it, Bob? It’s about the players, not the coach.
by Dan Winkler on May 23, 2008 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Riiiiiiiight
Because like you and I were discussing before the Avs had their arses handed to them by the Wings, the Wings are just sooooo much more talented than the Avs.
Don’t you remember that conversation at all? Both of us thought the teams were pretty even talent wise. I still do. Injuries up the wazoo notwithstanding, of course.
PL and FG must feel the same way as you do. Because they just gave the keys back to the monkey.
by Bob in Boulder on May 23, 2008 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder how much Q and Granato were at odds. Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but it sounds like Granato didn’t like Q’s decisions/coaching much…
“Every coach, no matter who you are, has different ideas on how to run different plays, how you run different systems, who you put on the ice at different times,” said Granato, 43, who remains friendly with Quenneville. “So maybe that’s where philosophical differences come into play.“But the structure that we have and our identity always has been to put a product on the ice that is exciting and allows our skill players to play. I don’t think there’ll be a whole lot of changes that way.
"The difference between a successful person and others,
is not a lack of strength,not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."
-Vince Lombardi-
Interesting Point
Maybe the differences in hockey philosophy were attributed to TG lobbying for a more offensive style rather than Q’s boring defensive system. Maybe FG ultimately got an earful from TG about the line up changes, benchings, PP pairings, ect.
Don't Go, Joe!
Interviews on the Fan this morning
So both FG and Granato had interviews on the FAN this morning.
FG was really close to the vest on all his comments as usual. The only noticeable slip was that he thought Granato was really good with the young guys and had spent a lot of time with them. He commented that Granato was a good compliment to him as a GM because his personality is upbeat, energetic and outgoing. He considers himself reserved (no kidding?) and pretty melo. He said with both him and Granato running the organization that they could complement each other to make the whole organization better. That’s a lot of managerial shop talk but the biggest insite was Granato’s ability with young players. Oh, one last big piece of information was that FG said Sakic’s input did not effect his selection. He said that when he spoke to Sakic, Sakic had said the coaching decision wouldn’t effect his decision to retire or not.
Granato mentioned that he had interviewed for the King job before Crawford took it but took himself out of the running because he wanted to keep his family here and didn’t want to leave the Avs. They talked a little bit about instinct as a coach like when he moved Forsberg from wing to center Hejduk and Tangauy in ‘02. How that carried the team when Sakic was out for a good portion of the year with the broken foot. Frei brought up this instinct thing btw, Granato just commented on how he came to the decision. They didn’t ask who his assistant would be unfortunately. That was about it with Granato, just a lot of congratulations talk and not a whole lot of grilling.
I know that guys like Doc and BiB are pretty upset about the Granato selection. BUT, look at it this way. Granato in 2002 was as green as an NHL coach could be. He basically was an assistant coach for a handful of games before PL threw him to the fire. As a green coach he got to face Jacque Lemair in the clutch and grab era prior to the lockout.
If you want to use Mike Babcock as a litmus test for how to establish a top tier coach then let’s be honest about where he has been and what he has done. First, he did 8 years of coaching in the WHL where he never won a championship. He then did two years in the AHL were he never got to the cup. His first year in Anaheim he got to the finals and lost, the very next year he missed the playoffs totally and was let go. In the ‘05-’06 season Detroit blew the doors off the entire NHL with 124 points and the President’s Trophy. He then led them to a six game loss to Edmonton in the very first round. Talk about a stacked team blowing it, just look at the 2006 Detroit Red Wings.
I don’t know if Granato is going to be a great coach. I think he will be a better coach than the first two years. I also think that getting a good coach out of the AHL isn’t an instant panacea for success. Coaches have growing pains and I think Granato has paid some dues over the last five years.
I don’t think the sky is falling. I’m cautiously optimistic.
Dario, thanks a ton. Your recap of the radio chatter is great.
As for being cautiously optimistic, I’m definitely in that mode right now.
From what I’ve read and heard, if there were any significant personality clashes between the players and coaches this past season, they didn’t involve Granato. The players apparently think he’s awesome. That’s a start.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
i wouldn’t say I’m anywhere near BiB, Dario. TG (btw, this is the new coach abbreviation SO SAITH DOC) could be very successful here—he certainly wants to play uptempo and the players love him, especially the young guys, which are 2 of my main issues with Q.
I’d feel way better about the whole thing if due diligence had been done in the interview process. If they interviewed all the other names people have tossed around and decided TG really was the best option, great, I can support that. But this? I just can’t get behind it totally.
and nice recap of the radio stuff too—I don’t get to listen most mornings myself.
"Granotonous"
painful, just painful
takes me back to Ben Stein in “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”
“Bueller….Bueller…”
"The difference between a successful person and others,
is not a lack of strength,not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."
-Vince Lombardi-
by Americanario on May 23, 2008 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Way to start distancing yourself from the raving lunatic!
Doc and all. Here is my ultimate take. I didn’t see any reason for Granato to be a legitimate candidate before the announcement was made. Now that we’ve been hit with the news, some folks are moving along the Kubler-Ross model faster than others. I say f* that. I’ll just stay stuck in disbelief and anger until I see positive results. So how do you like those apples, FG?
All of you other fence straddling ignorant sluts can move on to acceptance all you want. ;)
by Bob in Boulder on May 23, 2008 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Man, you’ll be stuck in “angermode” for at least another 134 days then (according to http://www.avalanchedb.com). That’s pretty much a lose-lose situation.
Cus if Granato doesn’t perform, you’ll be pissed off even more by the fact your hockey team has a lousy coach.
But if he DOES perform, you wasted a perfect summer holiday (well, not perfect, with global economy the way it is now, and the birma, Tibet and China situations) being angry for no good reason.
Best to give in and enjoy a nice summer.
26 Card Jet
Exactly
I was thinking the exact same thing. (in fact it’s exactly what I wrote this morning)
Great Minds and all
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)
by Jibblescribbits on May 23, 2008 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Tony Granato just might be the greatest Avalanche coach ever BiB. You don’t really want Doc to have this much ammunition against you in a few years do you? You got like no wiggle room here.
Anyway, greatest….ever.
If you accept Tony Granato now
the terrorists have already won.
by Bob in Boulder on May 23, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Wait, hold on. Are we trying the Chris Osgood jinx on Granato?
Not that it would be a bad idea, since we’ve pretty much failed completely trying to jinx that lucky jerk.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
Haha
I think we are far enough into the offseason that it no longer matters.
BTW, I was thinking of posting an SCF opening thread in the “fan post” but I don’t want to duplicate any other efforts. Am I good to go?
Don't Go, Joe!
You're right, Joe
The fact that the MSM had no idea this was coming is the big story. Shows how very little the MSM guys know/care about enterprising stories. If this was the Broncos or the Rockies they would have been all over it. I wonder if they’re even the slightest bit embarrassed about this?
by Dan Winkler on May 23, 2008 3:46 PM MDT reply actions
Sort of on this topic
I was listening to ESPN radio last night on the way home. National coverage. I listen to one of their Sports Center reports to see if they have anything to say about the Granato promotion. NBA playoff update. OK. MLB scores. OK. Oh, here it comes … the Denver Post is reporting that ….. Carmelo Anthony’s agent has been told that Carmelo will not be traded.
Nothing on the Granato hiring. Actually, nothing on hockey. Like that is anything new.
by Bob in Boulder on May 23, 2008 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
If he was first choice
why did they wait this long to announce, why not announce when they let Quenneville go
Yeah, the timing is odd. Either it was a money issue, somebody else in the organization had an opinion/hesitancy about the hiring, or FG talked to Burns at the WC and didn’t get a warm and fuzzy feeling…
My money is on the last one. It’s not obvious to just STALL a signing if someone important is hesitant about it. That would really lead the fan to believe that the avalanche front office isn’t professional.
And for money issues… REALLY?? What do coaches make a year? And why would Granato ask more than any other coach?
26 Card Jet
WHAT IS GOING ON? MY BRAIN IS HURTING. GAH.
Here I sit in Northern Indiana looking at a new page layout and news of an ‘new’ Avs layout. WTF FG. I leave Colorado and this happens the NEXT day? Maybe moving to a place the Avs aren’t on TV is a good thing. At least I won’t get as depressed watching the Avs wallow in low level mediocrity as I hear the South Bend weather will be bad enough by itself.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on May 25, 2008 1:30 PM MDT reply actions




















