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Reports have now come out  that the NHL has narrowed down its options for the next outdoor game (January 1st, 2009) to be held either in Chicago or in Pittsburgh, with at least the Red Wings or the Penguins being featured.

The apparent front-running stadium to host the event, though, is Wrigley Field, the hallowed "friendly confines" of the Chicago Cubs.  The game would be between the Blackhawks (an exciting, improving, and young team with two blossoming superstars) and the Wings (an old, decrepit band of losers who might smear their greasy paws on the Stanley Cup this year).

But don't rule out Yankee Stadium just yet.  The soon-to-be-demolished relic of baseball lore could still be chosen to host an outdoor game between the Rangers and the Bruins (yay, another East Coast-centric and over-hyped rivalry game). 

The only other option on the table as far as locations go is the football stadium at Penn State University, called Beaver Stadium or "Happy Valley" (capacity: 107,282) which would host the Penguins and the Flyers. 

One would suppose that the goal of the NHL's outdoor games is to boost exposure and revenue for the league by attracting as many fans (via ticket sales and TV viewership) as possible.  This year's game at Buffalo's Ralph Wilson Stadium was a huge success, by all accounts.  But I have a feeling that choosing baseball fields, especially the most well-known in America, is not really a good idea.

First of all, baseball stadiums have a smaller capacity than football stadiums.  Ralph Wilson seats 73,967, but both Yankee Stadium and Wrigley Field are far below that, with 57,545 and 41,118 respectively.  Also, while the rinks would no doubt fit into a typical baseball field, the geometries of the seating areas are strange and would result in some fans in lower seats being much farther away than others.  And it would make for some really strange sight lines.  Whereas football stadiums are essentially just ice hockey arenas on crack, baseball fields are completely different in arrangement.

Also of concern to me is the reaction of conservative baseball fans to the use of their most hallowed fields for other sports, especially a sport like hockey which is already ignored or disliked by a large number of American sports fans in general.  Don't underestimate the old guard of baseball.  The sport is not as flashy as football or as propped up as basketball, but there is a deep undercurrent of tradition that, once stirred, could be the source of some really bad publicity.  We already saw a significantly serious reaction to the earliest talks about using Yankee Stadium.  The futile cries of old men who distrust anything new or different?  Maybe.  But for a league desperately trying to boost its image in a positive way, alienating a crap ton of "average" sports fans is probably not the best way to succeed.

I, for one, am one of those old men, in that I passionately oppose the use of Wrigley Field to host an outdoor hockey game.  Call me sentimental (or just a homer, since I'm a Cubs fan), but hockey doesn't belong on the baseball diamond.  Football stadiums are better suited to host outdoor hockey, and tradition is a bit player in the narrative of pro football.  I don't recall a large, vocal protest from Buffalo Bills fans about the use of their field to host the Sabres-Penguins game, and I doubt there'd be any backlash to the Wings and 'Hawks skating around in Soldier Field.

I'm all for outdoor NHL games, but I really think the league should look elsewhere than the most famous (and beloved by grumpy old men) baseball fields in the country.  It just doesn't make sense financially, aesthetically or diplomatically.

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I too am a Cubs fan, but I absolutely want the Blackhawks to play at Wrigley!
I don’t buy the whole hallowed history of Wrigley argument; I mean the Chicago Bears used to play at Wrigley Field, and the Chicago Cardinals (now the Arizona Cardinals, after a short stop in St. Louis) used to play at Comiskey Park. Both the Cubs and the White Sox have shared their stadiums with other teams in the past, and on a weekly basis, not just a one-time celebration of Chicago sports, as the upcoming winter-classic would be. The Blackhawks are doing promotional tie-ins with both the Sox and Cubs,with each team promoting each other (not Cubs-Sox, obviously). Wrigley Field was once a football field (though with uneven endzones) for decades, if anything, I see the staging of a Blackhawks game there as a teleological extension of its robust history, and would contribute greatly to the role of Wrigley in Chicago mythos.

Mir ist egal.

by Selanne on May 30, 2008 10:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Well, I can’t argue with the history of the field as a multi-sport venue, of course, but I’m concerned about the overall reaction to what can be seen as a cheesy gimmick just as easily as a “one-time celebration of Chicago sports.”

And at any rate, from a money point of view, Wrigley doesn’t have a lot of seats, which means the NHL will sell far fewer tickets than they could in a bigger, more appropriate venue. Even if they added some extra seating, there’s no way they could surpass 50,000. I’m all for a Chicago game, but I don’t see why they wouldn’t prefer to use Soldier Field, which has plenty of history and mass appeal in addition to 20,000 extra seats. That’s a lot more revenue just from ticket sales.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on May 30, 2008 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Don't get

I don’t get the “It’s a baseball field only” sentiment. If the goal was to get as many people into the stadium as possible, then yeah a football field is a good possibility. But that’s not the goal of the Winter classic, we all know the goal is a (albeit really really cool) gimmick.

I don’t see how it hurts the tradition of the field, or baseball or anything about the game. I don’t see how it hurts the Cubs tradition, it’s not like it’s going to curse them. In fact it only enhances the tradition of Wrigley as the last of the great ballparks. (even though I’ve been to Wrigley, and it’s nothing more than a novelty, which wears out by the 6th inning. Coincidentally that happens to be about the same inning that your back starts spasming from contorting your body to watch the game because the old park isn’t even set up to properly watch a baseball game. I digress).

What if the game were at US Cellular? That would enhance the reputation of that ballpark (not to mention countless jokes about the NHL not being able to afford Wrigley). It would start to be seen as a premier ballpark. It wouldn’t diminish the field at all. The same is true for Wrigley (or YS). The event would add to the aura, and not take anything away.

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 2, 2008 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly. I remember hearing rumors about the game being at Fenway, and as much as we love the Sox we were all stoked. I mean, Fenway’s probably too tiny to be realistic, but just thinking about the atmosphere that would have been in the park was nuts. I would have flown home from school for the game in a heartbeat. A bigger stadium may bring in more money, but these games are about press more than revenue. They’re also sort of aimed at that homemade, “old times” feel, which Wrigley would give.
I do agree that baseball fields are geometrically weird, but I imagine they’ll find a way to accomodate that.

by KatieOD on May 30, 2008 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Teams

No one should doubt my unyielding love of the Pens, but I would prefer to see two different teams go at it for the next outdoor game. Sure, Sidney Crosby may be a selling point for the NHL (just ask NBC), but if they’re using these to try to sell the league, show off what the rest of the teams can do. The Pens/Sabres match left a good feeling for these things (especially since the Pens won), so use that leftover momentum and push another team.

I agree, the Blackhawks would be an awesome team for it, especially since they’re an Original Six team. Show the old fogeys that hockey has a rich history as well. Just skip over the unfortunate lockout gaps.

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by JDunman on May 30, 2008 1:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Blackhawks/Red Wings makes sense from a couple of angles, showcasing original 6 teams, showcasing the Stanley Cup Champions (hope I didn’t just jinx anything), and like Joe said, showing off a young up and coming team, with a couple of the brighter baby stars not named Crosby, against a veteran squad.

Plus any game in Chicago would be within a 3 hour drive for me.

by ahtrap on Jun 2, 2008 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hope you jinxed everything. Game 5 at least.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 3, 2008 7:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

If a football stadium is a hockey arena on crack, then a baseball stadium is a hockey arena on LSD, lol.

I definitely dislike the idea of playing at Yankee stadium. I don’t even like baseball, but to have the last game there be a hockey game is just….. not cool. Anywhere except Yankee stadium is fine with me.

by Mike the Avs Fan on May 30, 2008 10:14 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t really get that sentiment….I mean, they’re just gonna be introducing that pile to a wrecking ball, right?

That said, I was oh so sad not to be able to fit in a pilgrimage to Yankee stadium while I was in New York over the Memorial Day weekend…..

by ahtrap on Jun 2, 2008 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m for the game anywhere in Chicago just to remind people that there is a whole half of the league that isn’t in the New York/PA/Boston sports triangle of DOOOOOOOOOM!

by Mike @ MHH on May 31, 2008 8:45 AM MDT reply actions  

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