Dodging the Draft, Part 3
After a long, arduous offseason that has gone on for what seems like...days, the NHL Entry Draft is finally here. On Wednesday, I looked at how the Avalanche drafts have fared on a round-by-round basis as well as how they rate against the league. Today, I'm looking at how each team has drafted recently.
First, a couple of notes on methodology. I'm looking at all 13 drafts from 1995 to 2007 based on information from hockey-reference.com. I chose 1995 because that's when the Avalanche moved to Denver. It unfairly penalizes a few teams that weren't around back then, but that's just tough Bettmans. After putting all the numbers together, I realized that I probably shouldn't include the last couple of drafts because it's too soon to evaluate them (only 4 players drafted last summer have played in the NHL), but after messing around with the numbers I found that the impact of dropping the last 2 drafts would have been minor. Also, it would have been more work, and I'm lazy.
Basically, I'm looking at how many drafted players played at least 1 game in the NHL - not exactly a perfect measure of success, but it's still something that just 34% of players drafted since '95 have managed to do. This is really just measuring how well teams are drafting - are the guys they take capable of making it to the NHL - and not how well a team develops players (since, many players will end up getting traded before getting to the bigs).
I knew the Avalanche had a good draft history, but it's even better than I thought.
| TEAM | DRAFTED | NHL | % | TOP 10 | NHL GP | /AVG TENURE |
| COL | 127 | 50 | 39.4% | 0 | 9072 | 181.4 |
| BOS | 109 | 49 | 45.0% | 7 | 7816 | 159.5 |
| CHI | 137 | 48 | 35.0% | 7 | 5008 | 104.3 |
| OTT | 113 | 48 | 42.5% | 4 | 9049 | 188.5 |
| BUF | 120 | 47 | 39.2% | 2 | 7618 | 162.1 |
| LA | 126 | 47 | 37.3% | 3 | 7054 | 150.1 |
| NYI | 120 | 44 | 36.7% | 11 | 8194 | 186.2 |
| PIT | 119 | 44 | 37.0% | 5 | 6622 | 150.5 |
| EDM | 124 | 43 | 34.7% | 3 | 6193 | 144.0 |
| MON | 118 | 42 | 35.6% | 4 | 6006 | 143.0 |
| NJ | 123 | 42 | 34.1% | 1 | 6887 | 164.0 |
| SJ | 106 | 42 | 39.6% | 6 | 7761 | 184.8 |
| FLA | 118 | 40 | 33.9% | 8 | 7949 | 198.7 |
| STL | 117 | 39 | 33.3% | 1 | 5682 | 145.7 |
| TB | 125 | 39 | 31.2% | 5 | 5728 | 146.9 |
| NYR | 123 | 38 | 30.9% | 5 | 4920 | 129.5 |
| PHI | 111 | 38 | 34.2% | 2 | 4824 | 126.9 |
| PHO | 110 | 37 | 33.6% | 4 | 5417 | 146.4 |
| WAS | 124 | 37 | 29.8% | 6 | 3974 | 107.4 |
| CAL | 119 | 36 | 30.3% | 5 | 5812 | 161.4 |
| DAL | 117 | 36 | 30.8% | 1 | 5647 | 156.9 |
| ANA | 97 | 35 | 36.1% | 7 | 6626 | 189.3 |
| TOR | 110 | 35 | 31.8% | 1 | 4761 | 136.0 |
| CAR | 103 | 34 | 33.0% | 3 | 5830 | 171.5 |
| VAN | 107 | 32 | 29.9% | 5 | 5577 | 174.3 |
| DET | 109 | 29 | 26.6% | 0 | 2621 | 90.4 |
| CBJ | 82 | 28 | 34.1% | 8 | 2615 | 93.4 |
| NAS | 97 | 26 | 26.8% | 5 | 4254 | 163.6 |
| ATL | 82 | 22 | 26.8% | 6 | 2962 | 134.6 |
| MIN | 66 | 21 | 31.8% | 5 | 2890 | 137.6 |
| 3359 | 1148 | 34.2% | 175369 | 152.8 |
The Avs have drafted 50 players who have made it to the NHL. While other teams have a bit better drafting rate (Boston, surprisingly, had the highest sucess rate), no team has seen more of their draft picks since '95 make it to the league. At the other end of the scale (and ignorning the expansion teams), Toronto, Carolina, Vancouver and Detroit have done the worst. Before you start scoffing at the Wings, though, remember that in order to keep up their dyn...er, continued sucess they've traded away all but 4 of their 1st round picks. And, as we've learned, 1st rounders are money.
And, after dissing Mike "Worst GM Ever" Milbury Wednesday, the Islanders actually end up rather high on the list. Keep in mind, though, that the Isles have had ELEVEN top 10 picks in those 13 years. A monkey could have been running those drafts (and it might have worked out better, as a monkey probably wouldn't have traded 9 of those 11 players away).
Another measure of draft success I've been using is how many NHL games your draft picks will manage to see. Avalanche draftees have played a total of 9,072 NHL games and counting, again tops in the league. On average, if a player drafted by Colorado makes it to the NHL, he'll have a career of 181 games - one of the highest averages in the league. Compare that to, say, Chicago who, thanks to having a perennially crappy roster, gets a lot of its picks to the NHL, but they don't stick around (104 game average).
And the most amazing thing about the Avs' success? They've had ZERO Top-10 picks. None. They've shown they can find good players without being parked in the lottery lounge. To be frank, I didn't expect the team to come out so high on the list. And it makes you wonder what we could have done with a couple of lottery picks in the mix.
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This absolutely floors me:
DET 109 29 26.6% 0 2621 90.4
26.6% WORST in the league? How the fuck did they manage that
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 20, 2008 1:09 PM MDT reply actions
Partially
Ok partially it’s because they are the only other team with no top 10 picks since 95, and maybe they have traded lower draft picks away for immediate help in search of a cup, so their draft picks are lower than most teams…
But still. I am just shocked by this.
"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 20, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, I don’t want to be an apologist for them, but not having all those 1st rounders is huge. they’ve done okay though
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks again DD
Very interesting stuff as always. You not only give us an inch, but then give us the yards of data that we subsequently request. And give it to us all at once, not in some contrived “make these mf’ers wait” one team at a time methodology.
Bob obviously didn’t notice how I broke that into 3 installments… :)
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
wow
No offense to any of the other bloggers, but this is absolutely the best, most informative post I’ve ever seen on an Avalanche blog and should be worshiped as such. The Denver Post or some other MSM source should be paying you to run this.
Just to compare with the wangs, how many 1st round picks have the Avs had over that same period?
How did you do this? I’m assuming you’re pulling this data via some automatic crawler/parser of someone’s data, or you have access to more easily parsable spreadsheets I don’t.
And not to make this even harder on you, but what if you made your measurement for a player’s success their career ATOI * num games played * C (where C is a constant to normalize whether they’re a forward or a defender, seeing as defenders play a lot more), instead of just number of games played? this would let us see if some teams are great “home-run” hitters, vs. being consistent drafters of 3rd and 4th liners. I suspect the Red Wings would fly up the list, and the Avs would remain near the top. If you need some help with this…metrics like this are both kind of a hobby and my job, so I’d love to help. You could even normalize the metric to the average success rate for their draft position too…
the only thing that I could really use would be points – HR doesn’t list TOI on the draft pages. I thought about using them, but I’m not really sure how good of a yardstick that would be, because it would penalize defensemen and goalies.
To answer your question, the Avs have had 13 1st rounders and the Things have had 6. I’m going to go out on a limb and just assume that 6 is the lowest number
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
see, that’s the beauty of the ‘C’ factor with TOI - based on whether a player is a D, G or F you set it differently, so it compares that position to the average for other players at that position. doesn’t matter anyways if they don’t have TOI, I guess. I’m almost tempted to go home and try it myself - I know I could do it, but programming on my own time has always made me feel terrible somehow.
I can get you the spreadsheet I dumped everything in if it helps. it’s on my work machine though.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
I do – I’m working tomorrow so I’ll send it your way
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 21, 2008 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions
oh, and thanks for the props!
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions
No offense to any of the other bloggers, but this is absolutely the best, most informative post I’ve ever seen on an Avalanche blog and should be worshiped as such. The Denver Post or some other MSM source should be paying you to run this.
And yet I get to run this for free. Mile High Hockey FTW.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
GREAT POST
This, as said before is a good post. I refuse to turn the comments into a suckfest though, so I’ll muster up a semi-sincere question.
I noticed the Islanders had like 4 1st round picks in 1999, HOW’D THEY DO THAT? I’m guessing that was a sympathy move by the rest of the league to give them a chance to become an actual franchise?
26 Card Jet
since Joe took my joke…
they got one for trading Smolinski and Palffy to LA and one for trading Linden to Montreal. The 4th would seem to be Dallas’ pick, but I don’t know why they had that.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions

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