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Dodging the Draft, Part 3

 

After a long, arduous offseason that has gone on for what seems like...days, the NHL Entry Draft is finally here. On Wednesday, I looked at how the Avalanche drafts have fared on a round-by-round basis as well as how they rate against the league. Today, I'm looking at how each team has drafted recently.

First, a couple of notes on methodology. I'm looking at all 13 drafts from 1995 to 2007 based on information from hockey-reference.com. I chose 1995 because that's when the Avalanche moved to Denver. It unfairly penalizes a few teams that weren't around back then, but that's just tough Bettmans. After putting all the numbers together, I realized that I probably shouldn't include the last couple of drafts because it's too soon to evaluate them (only 4 players drafted last summer have played in the NHL), but after messing around with the numbers I found that the impact of dropping the last 2 drafts would have been minor. Also, it would have been more work, and I'm lazy.

Basically, I'm looking at how many drafted players played at least 1 game in the NHL - not exactly a perfect measure of success, but it's still something that just 34% of players drafted since '95 have managed to do. This is really just measuring how well teams are drafting - are the guys they take capable of making it to the NHL - and not how well a team develops players (since, many players will end up getting traded before getting to the bigs).

I knew the Avalanche had a good draft history, but it's even better than I thought.

TEAM DRAFTED NHL % TOP 10 NHL GP /AVG TENURE
COL 127 50 39.4% 0 9072 181.4
BOS 109 49 45.0% 7 7816 159.5
CHI 137 48 35.0% 7 5008 104.3
OTT 113 48 42.5% 4 9049 188.5
BUF 120 47 39.2% 2 7618 162.1
LA 126 47 37.3% 3 7054 150.1
NYI 120 44 36.7% 11 8194 186.2
PIT 119 44 37.0% 5 6622 150.5
EDM 124 43 34.7% 3 6193 144.0
MON 118 42 35.6% 4 6006 143.0
NJ 123 42 34.1% 1 6887 164.0
SJ 106 42 39.6% 6 7761 184.8
FLA 118 40 33.9% 8 7949 198.7
STL 117 39 33.3% 1 5682 145.7
TB 125 39 31.2% 5 5728 146.9
NYR 123 38 30.9% 5 4920 129.5
PHI 111 38 34.2% 2 4824 126.9
PHO 110 37 33.6% 4 5417 146.4
WAS 124 37 29.8% 6 3974 107.4
CAL 119 36 30.3% 5 5812 161.4
DAL 117 36 30.8% 1 5647 156.9
ANA 97 35 36.1% 7 6626 189.3
TOR 110 35 31.8% 1 4761 136.0
CAR 103 34 33.0% 3 5830 171.5
VAN 107 32 29.9% 5 5577 174.3
DET 109 29 26.6% 0 2621 90.4
CBJ 82 28 34.1% 8 2615 93.4
NAS 97 26 26.8% 5 4254 163.6
ATL 82 22 26.8% 6 2962 134.6
MIN 66 21 31.8% 5 2890 137.6








3359 1148 34.2%
175369 152.8

 

The Avs have drafted 50 players who have made it to the NHL. While other teams have a bit better drafting rate (Boston, surprisingly, had the highest sucess rate), no team has seen more of their draft picks since '95 make it to the league. At the other end of the scale (and ignorning the expansion teams), Toronto, Carolina, Vancouver and Detroit have done the worst. Before you start scoffing at the Wings, though, remember that in order to keep up their dyn...er, continued sucess they've traded away all but 4 of their 1st round picks. And, as we've learned, 1st rounders are money.

And, after dissing Mike "Worst GM Ever" Milbury Wednesday, the Islanders actually end up rather high on the list. Keep in mind, though, that the Isles have had ELEVEN top 10 picks in those 13 years. A monkey could have been running those drafts (and it might have worked out better, as a monkey probably wouldn't have traded 9 of those 11 players away).

Another measure of draft success I've been using is how many NHL games your draft picks will manage to see. Avalanche draftees have played a total of 9,072 NHL games and counting, again tops in the league. On average, if a player drafted by Colorado makes it to the NHL, he'll have a career of 181 games - one of the highest averages in the league. Compare that to, say, Chicago who, thanks to having a perennially crappy roster, gets a lot of its picks to the NHL, but they don't stick around (104 game average).

And the most amazing thing about the Avs' success? They've had ZERO Top-10 picks. None. They've shown they can find good players without being parked in the lottery lounge. To be frank, I didn't expect the team to come out so high on the list. And it makes you wonder what we could have done with a couple of lottery picks in the mix.

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This absolutely floors me:

DET 109 29 26.6% 0 2621 90.4

26.6% WORST in the league? How the fuck did they manage that

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 20, 2008 1:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Partially

Ok partially it’s because they are the only other team with no top 10 picks since 95, and maybe they have traded lower draft picks away for immediate help in search of a cup, so their draft picks are lower than most teams…

But still. I am just shocked by this.

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 20, 2008 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I don’t want to be an apologist for them, but not having all those 1st rounders is huge. they’ve done okay though

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks again DD

Very interesting stuff as always. You not only give us an inch, but then give us the yards of data that we subsequently request. And give it to us all at once, not in some contrived “make these mf’ers wait” one team at a time methodology.

by Bob in Boulder on Jun 20, 2008 1:54 PM MDT reply actions  

Ha! Got me!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 20, 2008 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bob obviously didn’t notice how I broke that into 3 installments… :)

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

He was too busy polishing your sac. He’ll have to get in line. Me first!!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 20, 2008 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

wow

No offense to any of the other bloggers, but this is absolutely the best, most informative post I’ve ever seen on an Avalanche blog and should be worshiped as such. The Denver Post or some other MSM source should be paying you to run this.

Just to compare with the wangs, how many 1st round picks have the Avs had over that same period?

How did you do this? I’m assuming you’re pulling this data via some automatic crawler/parser of someone’s data, or you have access to more easily parsable spreadsheets I don’t.

And not to make this even harder on you, but what if you made your measurement for a player’s success their career ATOI * num games played * C (where C is a constant to normalize whether they’re a forward or a defender, seeing as defenders play a lot more), instead of just number of games played? this would let us see if some teams are great “home-run” hitters, vs. being consistent drafters of 3rd and 4th liners. I suspect the Red Wings would fly up the list, and the Avs would remain near the top. If you need some help with this…metrics like this are both kind of a hobby and my job, so I’d love to help. You could even normalize the metric to the average success rate for their draft position too…

by thedoctor on Jun 20, 2008 2:05 PM MDT reply actions  

the only thing that I could really use would be points – HR doesn’t list TOI on the draft pages. I thought about using them, but I’m not really sure how good of a yardstick that would be, because it would penalize defensemen and goalies.

To answer your question, the Avs have had 13 1st rounders and the Things have had 6. I’m going to go out on a limb and just assume that 6 is the lowest number

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

see, that’s the beauty of the ‘C’ factor with TOI - based on whether a player is a D, G or F you set it differently, so it compares that position to the average for other players at that position. doesn’t matter anyways if they don’t have TOI, I guess. I’m almost tempted to go home and try it myself - I know I could do it, but programming on my own time has always made me feel terrible somehow.

by thedoctor on Jun 20, 2008 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I try not to do anything I’m not paid to do. Still trying to figure out a way to make real money off this blogging thing.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 20, 2008 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can get you the spreadsheet I dumped everything in if it helps. it’s on my work machine though.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'd like that

thanks. i think you have my email at your blog, otherwise just respond here.

by thedoctor on Jun 20, 2008 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I do – I’m working tomorrow so I’ll send it your way

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 21, 2008 8:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

oh, and thanks for the props!

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Let the verbal fellatio commence!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 20, 2008 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

i almost said something to that effect, but I didn’t want to cheapen my praise. this really is a great bit of work.

by thedoctor on Jun 20, 2008 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

No offense to any of the other bloggers, but this is absolutely the best, most informative post I’ve ever seen on an Avalanche blog and should be worshiped as such. The Denver Post or some other MSM source should be paying you to run this.

And yet I get to run this for free. Mile High Hockey FTW.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 20, 2008 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

GREAT POST

This, as said before is a good post. I refuse to turn the comments into a suckfest though, so I’ll muster up a semi-sincere question.

I noticed the Islanders had like 4 1st round picks in 1999, HOW’D THEY DO THAT? I’m guessing that was a sympathy move by the rest of the league to give them a chance to become an actual franchise?

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Jun 20, 2008 2:36 PM MDT reply actions  

Though this is unnecessary to say, it obviously didn’t work.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jun 20, 2008 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

since Joe took my joke…

they got one for trading Smolinski and Palffy to LA and one for trading Linden to Montreal. The 4th would seem to be Dallas’ pick, but I don’t know why they had that.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 20, 2008 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

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