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Saturday Development Camp Thoughts

[promoted. thanks Doc! - Joe]

I'm certainly not as qualified or in the know as Jori is about the Avs' system, but I was at the development camp today (Saturday).  Honestly, I was a little disappointed.  There wasn't much actual play occurring, just drills, so it was difficult to really get a feel for some of the players.  Rookie camp is much better in this regard -- they run drills then just scrimmage.  On the other hand, there's no college prospects at rookie camp, so it's your only real chance to see them with the Avs.

- As Jori says, the 2 prospects expected to outshine the others did, for certain.  Hensick was head and shoulders above most of his group on all drills, and Jones made pretty much everyone around him look silly, even though he still can't finish consistently.  They're both ready.  Hensick lost an edge on one drill and went hard into the boards, which clearly hurt him a lot...but he didn't miss a drill.  Good man.

- Two of the guys I most wanted to see were Shattenkirk and Mercier -- I've heard a lot about them various places.  Well, they're both for real.  Shattenkirk is on the smaller side for sure, but he was aggressive and well-positioned on D, and a smooth skater with great puck-handling and passing skills.  He ate up just about everyone on the 1 on 1 drills.  I'd guess he's about 2-3 years out, but he looks like a good bet on the main squad. 

 

Star-divide

- Mercier was a little more raw than Shattenkirk -- for example, he didn't look to be as smooth a skater as the top forward prospects -- but he's an intriguing prospect still.  He's got a great shot, did every drill like a maniac and has good wheels.  He really tore it up on the shooting drills.  I don't know that he's a lock for the main squad, but he might be a good 3rd liner.  A member of my party commented on his pass receipt ability, that the puck just stuck to his stick -- and once I looked for it, I was stunned.  Even on bad passes, he got great shots off.

- Some of the other college guys I noticed were Cohen and Carey.  Both are raw, but there's certainly potential there.  Cohen especially has the right body type for the NHL.  Cohen got yapped at a couple times on the skating drills, he's got some work to do there.  Tessier was there, he's like a mini-Mercier...and Mercier is pretty small already.  Good skills though.

- Our goalies...well, our goalies.  Granato and Hackett were on one side of the ice with much of the rest of the staff working with the goalies for about a third of the time.  Some drills looked pretty basic -- shot from the point, followed by someone rushing from a corner -- others were pretty crazy.  The craziest was a little half-moon of 20ish pucks around the crease, with some coach just snatching them at random and throwing them at the unfortunate goalie.

Trevor Cann looked pretty good, but not great.  Sauer, Patterson and Keserich aren't very good imo.  Delmas was up and down -- during one drill, the goalies had to move to one of 5 positions in the crease at a coach's rapid fire calls.  Most of the goalies handled it ok (Sauer is slow  :( ), but Delmas inspired murmuring from the crowd with his speed and quickness (exclamations from my loud-ass self).  But later, during a relatively simple drill involving slap shots from around the blue line, he REALLY struggled with his blocker, letting in a lot of really simple shots.  His body language was not good after either...but Hackett handled it well, pulling him aside.  Hackett looked to be doing lots of good coaching (but how can you really tell).  He's really skinny too, looked kind of like a pyramid with giant pads, no torso, and a mask on top.  tall though. he'll probably fill out.  I hope.

- JD Corbin got pulled aside for almost the entire drill time to work on his skating with whoever does the skating stuff (holy crap can he skate, whoever he is).  He actually looked pretty decent out there, as did Rob Drummond.  Both caught my eye more than once.

- Chris Stewart looked significantly faster out there, and his touch around the net was unrivaled.  But even though you could tell he'd worked on it, his skating was AWFUL.  About Wes O'Neil level.  Most of the players could handle some of the nasty skating drills, even if they were hard...he couldn't at all.  At one point he fell over and wiped out someone else in a nasty collision.  They looked pissed.  He was sheepish about anything involving skating. 

He looked like someone that didn't grow up skating like everyone else -- but he's functional in games and drills enough to enable his incredible hands.  I just can't figure out whether holding him in the AHL is the right thing to do or not -- he could score in the NHL, no doubt, but would his skating be too much of a liability?

- FG was there, just sitting with the fans.  I almost went up to him and asked him to trade Arnason (a member of my group offered me $10 to)...but I decided it would be a little too redneck, and he was there with one of his kids.  I'm regretting it now, it would have been hilarious.

- I was bummed Nigel Williams and TJ Galiardi weren't on the ice (Williams was there in street clothes presumably hurt, Jori informed me Galiardi was hurt).  Davey Jones ran all over our tiny D, a couple people sitting near me commented that Nigel had prevented him from doing it the day before by putting him on his ass.

- Cloutier runs a tight ship man, he was all over the D during drills.  If they didn't outlet pass correctly he stopped everything until they got it right.  He was very vocal.

- Final anecdote -- Jones and Shattenkirk were on the same side of the ice for one on one drills.  Jones was smushing everyone and getting to the net with ease, no one could get past Shattenkirk even slightly (no shots even).  Finally they matched up...and Jones got Shattenkirk to bite, slipped the puck right between his legs and shouldered past him for a wide open shot just above the crease...which he shot right into the goalie's chest as usual.  Shocking.  A cool moment though -- and welcome to the big leagues, Kevin.

That's all I got!  I snapped some pics and took some video, maybe I'll stick it up later if it turned out...but my batteries died so I have to go get some from the store to see it, so maybe later tomorrow.  If you have questions about any other players or whatever, ask away and I'll try to remember.  Nice to meet you again Jori!

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Thanks Dr.!

Thanks for the great update! If this was a Broncos devo camp, there would be fifty denver pro sportscasters there, and your story would have been front page on the Denver Post.

"how you like them apples?"

by tele-mon on Jul 13, 2008 4:18 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

More thanks

Great info. Really nice to have this insight into the newbies. I’m sure I would never find all this information anywhere else. I’ll be referring to this as the camps & season progress. God, I miss hockey.

hockeynana

by hockeynana on Jul 13, 2008 5:43 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

no prob

glad to inform those that couldn’t make it. it’s always weird writing these things for me. I get self-conscious about halfway through, usually wondering why anyone would care what I think about this stuff. So thanks for the kind words.

by thedoctor on Jul 13, 2008 7:02 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Job

You did a great job and you’re observations are very appreciated. Especially for those of us who decided sleeping in was more important than watching prospects :)

Don't Go, Joe!

by texacogirl on Jul 13, 2008 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post doc, and thanks for the update. I was down in that part of town, less than a mile away from Family Fun, on Saturday but didn’t go to camp. I feel shame.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Jul 14, 2008 9:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

weak. :)

honestly, you didn’t miss too much. I don’t think i’ll do development camp again without a really good reason—rookie camp is way more fun and full of insights because they actually play.

by thedoctor on Jul 14, 2008 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Promoted

This is some great stuff, Heir Docter

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 11:47 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, that should read “Dokter,” by the way. I don’t know if it’s the correct German, but it sounds that way in my head.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it is the correct German spelling. It also is the way you spell it in Dutch

26 Card Jet

by Tommelot on Jul 15, 2008 4:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

great work Doc. I’m a little concerned about Jones and his inability to find that finishing touch. But I’m very concerned about Stewart and his apparent lack of skating ability

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 14, 2008 12:16 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Just to make you feel somewhat better, Jones did have a gorgeous upper 90 wrister on another iteration of that same 1v1 drill. Still, it’s clearly the weakest part of his game. I really think he’s gonna pull it out and be a solid top 6er—he works so hard out there, I would be surprised if he didn’t continue to develop his shot. Be nice if he developed some Franzen-like screening/tipping front of the net ability too.

I really think that Stewart’s skating will get better and better (he’s clearly improved in a year, like I said). He’s a strange player—he can’t turn and do quick moves at all, but he’s gets up to speed reasonably fast and has a high top speed. He’s also hard to knock off the puck. He’s got elements of good skating, but clearly only ones that he needed very directly to score. I think we’ll see him this year, when the inevitable Svatos injuries occur. And I gotta say it again, his hands were easily the best in camp. He’s got insane puckhandling and touch in scoring areas. He’s got like the inverse of Jones’ skill set in the same body.

by thedoctor on Jul 14, 2008 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Smyth needs to take Mr. Jones under his wing, stat.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it’s any consolation, Dave Andreychuk couldn’t skate either and he’s going to the HOF.

by Dario on Jul 14, 2008 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think that Stewart’s skating will get better and better (he’s clearly improved in a year, like I said). He’s a strange player—he can’t turn and do quick moves at all, but he’s gets up to speed reasonably fast and has a high top speed.

Wait, we have Luis Hernandez from the Mighty Ducks?

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jul 14, 2008 1:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

i'll admit it

I’ve never seen any of those movies. who was this guy?

by thedoctor on Jul 14, 2008 1:14 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT?!

HERESY!!

Hernandez was Kyle Cumiskey on crack but couldn’t stop on his own so he repeatedly skated into the boards or other players. It’s called comedy!!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was awesome. His jump over the net after scoring in the olympics thing was great.

by Savage33 on Jul 14, 2008 6:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would that have been possible if the goals had been larger? That’s something for Gary Bettman to think about.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 15, 2008 4:19 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point, but would Goldberg have been as good a goalie as he was with smaller pads. Maybe they never make it to the olympics and therefore Luis Hernandez never gets to jump the net.

by Savage33 on Jul 15, 2008 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember, it wasn’t the Olympics, it was the Jr. Goodwill Games or some such. No tryouts. That’s the ONLY way Goldberg would see a gold medal team. Face it, the Ducks offense carried that team. Did they even have any defensemen? Gaffney was the better netminder, but she was obviously in Coach B’s doghouse and he went with his buddy Goldberg.

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 16, 2008 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Julie the Cat was the Peter Budaj of the second Mighty Ducks movie. Poor girl.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 17, 2008 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then they got a new coach and everyone saw how good she was while the Captain decided he didn’t want to play. How eerily similar to the Avs.

by Savage33 on Jul 17, 2008 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

Despite being world class players the Avs are going to struggle to make Varsity this season?

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jul 18, 2008 8:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

The good news, is that in the end, the team will get new uniforms and maybe get rid of the unipron…

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 18, 2008 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except for Paul Stasnty who will make Varsity but then decide not to play for them and return to the Avs

by Savage33 on Jul 18, 2008 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I think we should all start a pool of money to get the movies together for the good doctor and fix this problem asap.

by AaronHawn on Jul 14, 2008 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next thing you know, he’ll be confused by Slapshot quotes because he never saw that one!

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 14, 2008 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well.......

...i haven’t.

I have seen miracle, mystery, alaska, strange brew, canadian bacon…um, I can’t think of any other hockey-ish movies off the top of my head. I don’t have much interest in the ducks movies though…i’ve seen bits and pieces, and I’m just too old now.

by thedoctor on Jul 14, 2008 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slapshot is a must-see hockey movie

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 14, 2008 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolute nonsense. If you love hockey, any true hockey movie will appeal to you. The first Ducks movie is a must-see, and while the next two are miss-able, I’d see them anyway. Besides, they’re all Disney movies so they don’t take more than 90 minutes to watch.

And the fact that you haven’t seen Slapshot pains me. Not because you’ve violated some unspoken rule of hockey fandom, but because you’ve missed a really great sports movie. Seriously, add them to your NetFlix queue.

Also, does the word “queue” really need two u’s and two e’s? Really?

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Emilio, where have you gone?

InYoFace Hasek! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Jul 14, 2008 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blame

The French. Lot’s of q’s e’s, u’s and silent s’s.

And from here on out i will make multiple knuckle-puck references in order to goad monsieur doc into watching Mighty Ducks 2.

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jul 14, 2008 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright, alright. i’ll snag them sometime soon…im jonesing for hockey so bad right now. :(

by thedoctor on Jul 14, 2008 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

You better

Or we’ll all call you “The Cat” Gaffney

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Jul 14, 2008 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who came first, Julie “The Cat” Gaffney or former Av, Felix “The Cat” Potvin?

Maybe what the Avs need to get their mojo back is to play some street hockey in South Central L.A. with some not-at-all-stereotypical ‘hood hockey players! That might actually toughen Arny up!

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 14, 2008 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, like there’s any hockey in the ‘hood.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I had the biggest crush on her when I was 15.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 14, 2008 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Felix Potvin is a girl? Who knew…

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 14, 2008 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Joe – you have a crush on her now.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Jul 18, 2008 9:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here you go.

"The difference between a successful person and others,
is not a lack of strength,not a lack of knowledge, but rather in a lack of will."
-Vince Lombardi-

by Americanario on Jul 18, 2008 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the day is saved!

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 18, 2008 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slap Shot is the bomb, herr doktor. The French-Canadian goalie, the whiteman afros, Dave “the Killer”, “Who own da Chiefs, it goes on and on…

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 14, 2008 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnny Upton: I’m gonna flash them Joe! I am gonna flash them! I am gonna walk down that stinkin’ aisle, I am gonna open this faggot bathrobe and wiggle my dick at ‘em!
Joe McGrath: You WILL not!
Johhny Upton: Yes I am Joe and you know why? Because I want you to have a heart attack and die so that we never have to do this shit again. You and your fuckin’ fashion shows.

That probably violates some message board rule but you can’t edit slapshot, you just can’t.

by Dario on Jul 14, 2008 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll allow it, but I would have preferred a blockquote.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Jul 15, 2008 4:20 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ogie

Ogie Oglethorpe! You don’t know him either. Or The Hanson brothers. C’mon doc, you haven’t lived in a hockey world until you’ve seen Slap Shot. Buy it, watch it ‘til you know all the lines. “Shut up, I’m trying to listen to the f*king song.” (about the National anthem no less)

hockeynana

by hockeynana on Jul 14, 2008 5:20 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Picture no work.

by Mike @ MHH on Jul 15, 2008 7:23 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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