Thank you for posting something on this article. I read it this morning (GMT+1) and couldn’t believe my eyes. I couldn’t directly start writing about it, because I was still too shocked. I honestly quite like Dater’s articles, but I think Frei fell one too many times when he was still a baby. Having flawed math is deadly for someone who has a profession which supposedly is “objective”. But flawed logic should have your ass flying on the curb faster than my grandma finishes her first glass of wine in the morning.

I hope a numberjunkie like DD or Mirtle goes to town on this article (see how well the Avs did with and without Sakic last year, attendance with/without Sakic, etc.)

I’d do it, but I have no stats about the Avs.

Sorry to yell, but this whole argument drives me nuts. The Rocks’ owners took a great thing and ran it into the ground while hiding behind a bogus “we are a small market” excuse. After Denver set every major league baseball attendance record imaginable during their first several years here. Denver is not a big market in terms of our population, but it is just flat out sports crazy. And any good owner in town knows that if you spend money to put a good product on the ice/court/field, it will pay off, big time. Which is why I will be hellipissed if Silent Stan does go cheap on us with the Avs to bankroll the Nugs’ luxury tax.

I thought Frei actually brought up some good points, but they were the exact same points Joe and I brought up (and Wyshynski highlighted). The only thing new he said was:

a) the Avs will win only 25 games without Sakic (and even us blogging off-season pessimists think this is a bit much)
b) The Nuggets utter mismanagement is affecting the Avs. I had heard that rumor on message boards and whatnot, but I chose not to say anything about it because it was just a rumor. Now that it’s in print I can bash the Nuggets right?

I’m a little confused about the McLeod contract. I said in my post that $522,500 (the contract the RMN reported) was McLeod’s QO. But I was mixing up the Cody’s. I believe McLeod’s QO was $539,000 and McCormick’s was $522,500. So either we got the QO wrong (should have been 110% of last year’s salary), or the new contract was reported wrong.

nhlnumbers is still not showing Per Ledin’s contract ($600,000). with Ledin and assuming $3 mill for Svatos (and yeah, that sounds too high), the Avs are at 47.9. actually a little less, because that would be 24 players so someone wouldn’t make the team.

that’s more or less what Frei is saying. If the Avs add Sakic at 6.75, they’d be about 2 million under the cap, dependent on who else that would bump from the roster. so, his $$$ numbers are generally right, even if the win prediction is a tad pessimistic…

For people who like to talk smack about bloggers there seems to be little of what they harp on, accountability. I mean seriously, bernie lincicome still has a job? How? And i quit reading frei a long time ago because I couldn’t read an article without hearing about the thuggery and violence that is hockey fighting blah blah blah. But to the point- frei does not allow comments on his blog. Methinks he got a little tired of hearing how full of it he was. And if you are not accountable to your readers, well, whats the point? I’d rather come here or itcs or daters blog (minus the colonoscopy report, ugh) or jibblescribbbits and actually engage in a hockey DISCUSSION rather than read some generic sounding crap that seems like it could have come from the mouth of the avs organ-i-zation itself. And no I’m not trying to be anyones girlfriend!

Hmm, actually just went and read the article, and there are comments on it. I could’ve sworn I saw that he didn’t allow them. Of course that was 6 months ago when I quit bothering with him. Well, maybe i’m full of it as well….. or he changed.

thanks, I’ll keep that in mind! lol

damn, one of these days I’ll figure this out, that was supposed to be in re joe…...