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Top Avs Of All Time: #11 Claude Lemieux

[I suppose I'm not entirely MIA, huh? - Joe]

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How do you summarize the impact Claude Lemieux had on the Colorado Avalanche, let alone his overall career in the NHL?  Do you focus on the clutch playoff performances, or the four Stanley Cups, or the notorious reputation for dirty play?  Do you focus on the trophies held high or the hits down low? 

I'd rather focus on how much the city of Detroit hates his guts, and always will.  Simply recognizing the impact he had on the Avalanche during the late 1990s is enough to send Red Wings fans into frothing fits of outrage.  That, my friends, is why Claude "Last Laugh" Lemieux is one of the hallowed Top 19 Avalanche Players Of All Time.

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Claude Lemieux's initial impact on the world of hockey was in the QMJHL with the Trois-Rivieres Draveurs (what is it with French and the letters "r" and "s"? Srsly).  In 1982-83, at the age of 17, Lemieux 66 points in 62 games.  In the 1983 Entry Draft, the Canadiens picked him in the second round, 26th overall.  With that pick, Lemieux moved to the Verdun Juniors team of the QMJHL, who were fresh off their President's Cup championship the year before.  Lemieux also just missed getting to play with Pat LaFontaine, who led Verdun to that victory and scored 234 points in 104 games.

Lemieux wasn't living in anyone's shadow, though, and started to make a name for himself as an offensive powerhouse.  At the age of 18, Claude managed 86 points in 51 games.  The next season (1984-85), now with the revamped Verdun Junior Canadiens, Lemieux 124 points in 52 games and helped lead the team to the President's Cup.

In 1985-86, he moved up to the AHL, joining the Sherbrooke Canadiens and scoring 53 points in 58 games.  His apparent knack for offense (and harassery™) virtually ensured him a spot in the big league.  Sure enough, he was called up to the Montreal Canadiens near the end of that year, appearing in ten games (3 points).  His real impact, though, was in the playoffs.  He scored ten goals in 20 games and added six assists for good measure, helping to drive the Habs (in front of some kid named Patrick Roy) to a Stanley Cup championship.  Not bad for a rookie.

But it wasn't just his timely scoring that made him valuable.  Lemieux found it easy to annoy the opposition, and built a name for himself as a pest and cheap shot artist with few equals.

Lemieux's offensive output continued to impress over the next several seasons with the Canadiens, and he maintained stayed above .70 in points per game for three years.  But, in 1990 he was traded to the New Jersey Devils for Sylvian Turgeon.  It would take him five seasons with the Devils to win the Stanley Cup again, but he did it in amazing fashion.  In 20 playoff games, Lemieux scored 13 goals, including 3 game-winners in a 4-0 sweep of the Red Wings.  If they didn't dislike him by then, Detroit fans would really hate Claude Lemieux by the very next season.

Included as part of a three-team deal, Lemieux was traded to the newly-moved Colorado Avalanche at the start of the 1995-96 season.  One might suggest that the Devils made a mistake trading their Conn Smythe hero, but I'm not complaining.  Lemieux immediately took to his new team, and both his offense and his agitation were back to form.  His point and penalty minute totals had declined over the past couple of seasons with New Jersey, but his first year with the Avs saw him score 71 points in 79 games and sit in the box for 117 minutes. 

It wasn't until the playoffs, though, that Lemieux's dirty tricks really took center stage.   On May  29th, 1996, during game 6 of the Western Conference Finals, Claude ran Kris Draper's face into the boards at center ice, directly in front of the Detroit bench.  Lemieux received a five minute major and Draper received major face trauma.  The Avs would go on to win the game, the series and the Stanley Cup.  Lemieux won the honor of being the number one hated person in the city of Detroit.


That single incident (which even made one of David Amber's top ten lists), more than anything else, fueled the hatred between the Red Wings and Avalanche that endured until Joel Quenneville and the Lockout drove Colorado into hockey mediocrity. 

The most famous event in that rivalry, of course, was the Brawl In Emptytown of March 26, 1997, near the end of the next season.  The brave Red Wings waited bravely until the final regular season matchup between the two teams (which was at Joe Louis Arena, not in Colorado, of course), to bravely attack Lemieux with a brave sucker punch from Darren McCarty, the bravest hockey player to ever bravely play hockey.  For his part, Lemieux bravely turtled, which is still a source of intense masturbation for Red Wings fans, even though it started with a cheap shot and ended with terrified officials afraid to call a game misconduct or face the wrath of thousands of unemployed, blood-frenzied Murdercity residents. 

Anyway, in case you've somehow forgotten what happened:


That kind of insanity carried on for the next several seasons, as did Lemieux's career with the Avalanche.  Despite the disappointing loss to the Red Wings in the 1997 playoffs, Claude still scored 13 goals in 17 games, the most goals of any player in the post-season and the second time he reached that total.  Four of his goals were game-winners.  His final season with the Avs was in 1998-99, during which he scored 51 points and 102 penalty minutes.  The Avs' deep run in the playoffs that year ended without another Cup, but Lemieux still contributed heavily to the team, this time with assists instead of goals.  In 19 playoff games, he had 11 helpers and 14 total points.

Early in the 1999-2000 season, Lemieux was traded back to the New Jersey Devils for young stud Brian Rolston, who the Avs, in hindsight, really should have held on to.  At any rate, Lemieux went "home" to Jersey just in time to help them win another Cup, his fourth.  Claude would bang around with the Coyotes and the Stars for a few more seasons after that, but eventually retired from the NHL in 2003.  He played one year in a Swiss league and then hung up his professional skates for good.

When he retired, Lemieux was the eighth-highest scoring playoff performer of all time, with a total of 158 points in 233 games (including 80 goals and 19 game-winners).  He had also managed to sit in the penalty box for 1756 minutes during his 20 regular seasons.  His 212 points scored as an Av ranks him eighth in team history, just behind Chris Drury.  Lemieux is tied for sixth in playoff points with Adam Deadmarsh (55).

Though we, as Avalanche faithful, tend to view the Red Wings as the closest thing to an Evil Empire the NHL has, for many years Colorado was viewed as "the bad guys" in the rivalry with Detroit.  Why?  Claude Lemieux.  No other player at the time combined gritty, dirty agitation with unbelievably clutch offense like he did, and no other player was so good at taking out an opponent with a hit and then burying them with a game-winning goal. 

Claude Lemieux, dirty or not dirty, will always be a member of the Top 19 Avs Of All Time.

[Highest rating: 7. Lowest rating: 15.  Average score: 10.42]

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Nice post, Supreme Overlord.

Nice Post, Supreme Ruler.

Nice post, Slacker Supreme.

Nice post, O Mighty Morphin’ Mile High Manager.

Just trying some of those on for size…

Seriously, well done…

Now get back to the books! FYI, my bro told me something he learned from his 1st year profs:

1 – If you’re going to present something as unconstitutional, you better back it up with sources.

2 – If the law is from Louisiana, it’s unconstitutional.

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 18, 2008 12:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Very nice Joe. I loved your description of RW “bravery” in 1997. They more than earned their nickname “Chicken Wings” over the years of the rivalry.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on Aug 18, 2008 12:09 PM MDT reply actions  

Claude

He is one of those guys you would like to have with you if you ever had to go to some sketchy place. He would have your back if “shit went down”.

InYoFace Hasek! InYoFace

by InYoFace on Aug 18, 2008 3:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Nice

Great post. Can’t see how you can say Lemieux is a complete pussy after watching him challenge hatcher. I still don’t see how people claim Roy lost both of those fights. At the very least they look like draws to me (although I personally think he got the better shots in both times, the first one was closer). Great vid of McCarty turtling. Just great in general. Just what I want to see after coming home from the players bench $400 lighter and lots of fancy new hockey toys richer.

by TheRed on Aug 18, 2008 6:26 PM MDT reply actions  

So what did you get?

I’m finally starting to get used to my new pads and get a nice S-curve going. I need to get a slimmer C/A, but that’ll set me back a couple hundy…

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 18, 2008 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

vapor xxxx lindros curve, new elbow pads, new helmet, sherwood 7000 for backup, and now I know what I need for gloves and skates. Yeah. I haven’t been able to play ice for a few years because I’ve been too into skiing and can’t afford both on brewer pay. Plus the damn mice ate almost all my gear at the last place I lived. This year will be different, I’ll be able to ski and skate. I’m a happy guy. Except for the fact that I’m gonna have to squeeze my feet into my size 8.5 bauer supreme 914’s from 1988 until I can afford the $500 pair of skates I want. Considering my shoe is 11.5 and my ice skate sized out at 10, that might have to happen before the new skis, and I may go for the $300 pair. (believe it or not, I can still wear those skates, they just don’t feel very good. partially because socks aren’t really an option) Decisions decisions. I could talk gear for hours, but I’m gonna just go fondle my stick. Hope my girlfriend won’t mind…..

by TheRed on Aug 19, 2008 2:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ohh, you’re one of those ‘shooters’ types aren’t you. I just figured you were geeked out about GOALIE gear like me, but I digress.

I’d suggest hitting ebay for some cheap skates in the interim. I just picked up some player skates for $50 because I’m toying with the idea of actually learning to skate on them…

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 19, 2008 6:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel better, I’m a defenseman. True, my philosophy is if I have the puck they can’t score, but thats gotta help you goalie types out, doesn’t it?
 
I’ve been hitting up the craigs list for skates, I’ll have to check ebay too. Thanks
 
Oh, and geeked out about goalie gear? For $400? What would that get me, a mouthguard? Just kidding.

by TheRed on Aug 19, 2008 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel better, I’m a defenseman.

It does. Screaming at defensemen is half the fun of playing net!

Oh, and geeked out about goalie gear? For $400? What would that get me, a mouthguard? Just kidding.

Why would a goalie need a mouthguard? $400 might get you a good one though. MIGHT.

by Mike @ MHH on Aug 19, 2008 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thats why I’m an offensive defenseman- when I’m on the other side of the rink I can’t hear the goalie screaming at me. Well maybe the other goalie when I score on him!

I guess a goalie wouldn’t much need a mouthguard, but I suppose the $400 could buy you a new, shiny gold plated cup. Or maybe even like a few new straps for the leg pads, or or a goalie specific skate lace, or, well, you got the point…..

by TheRed on Aug 19, 2008 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Roy

Didn’t lose both those fights, in fact he beat the snot out of Osgood (in fairness he’s bigger). Anyone who says Osgood won is looking at Red Wings revisionist history. Obviously Osgood’s master plan was to let Roy tire himself out by beating Osgood to a pulp, and then take him down. This isn’t wrestling, punches landed count, not who falls down last.

FYI: Hockeyfights has Roy winning 57-30%. Being an election year and all, that’s what’s called a landslide victory for Roy.

"A witty saying proves nothing."
- Voltaire (1694-1778)

by Jibblescribbits on Aug 18, 2008 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good to see the hockey fights numbers. I can’t remember where I saw it, but I know I saw something recently that had roy getting beat up on. I personally never bought into that, but at the time I had a lot of friends from michigan. (Can I still post here? Fan cred- I played an intermission game as a mini-mite in a colorado rockies game and have watched the avs since day one, followed the grizzlies, was coached by a member of the colorado flames, and have hated detroit since the first season, partly because of said friends, even before the feud really got heated. Whew. I digress). Actually I think the decision against roy might have been daters book, because I was reading it recently at the bookstore, but I’m not sure. It could have been some other place. I don’t think vernon hit roy that hard, I wonder if it was the collision with shanahan that made him bleed. Anyway I sure did enjoy watching that stuff again

by TheRed on Aug 19, 2008 2:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

Another nice posting.
I’m still not sure Lemieux “turtled” for McCarty. He hit the ice pretty hard after that sucker punch…I wonder if he was fully conscious after that?

TheRed – Some people want to claim Roy lost to Vernon because Roy was the one bloodied up, but I’m sure most of that happened when Shanahan close-lined him and started banging his head on the ice. I’m sure a lot of people will try to claim that Hasek would have beat Roy as well, that is if he hadn’t fallen on his ass first.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Aug 18, 2008 10:49 PM MDT reply actions  

The thing I love about Dead Wang fans

Is that they love to talk shit about Jonathon Roy beating on a turtled goalie(Who was a wimp for not defending himself) but love talking about McCarty’s brave suckerpunch and subsequent brave beatdown of a turtled opponent. Its Contradiction at it’s greatest there.

"To have arrived on this Earth as a product of a biological accident, only to depart through human arrogance, would be the ultimate irony"
R. Leakey, Origins; 1977

by Savage33 on Aug 19, 2008 4:21 AM MDT reply actions  

It looked a LOT like the initial fight was set up to get the officials busy – no one was around initially when the sucker-attack began.

Jerks.

I'm sorry, Mr. Hossa, but I'm afraid we can't be friends anymore. Why? Because I hate you.

by JDunman on Aug 19, 2008 12:20 PM MDT reply actions  

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