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Ridiculous Variability

As the Avalanche slide into another unexpected three game winning streak, I have again found myself in the realm of over (perhaps unrealistic) optimism.

Maybe I'm simply overjoyed at being able to rub the Avalanche's recent win over the Penguins in the face of all their fans for the next week and the optimism is only a by-product of that elation.  (Did I mention that the Avalanche were without it's two best offensive players, it's best defensive defenseman (arguably), and it's #1 role player?)  Wow!

Whatever the motivation may be, my wheels are again turning towards the good side of the "what if" equation, where potential exists for a light at the end of the tunnel so bright that you'll need Doc Brown's 2015 style sunglasses to cope.

Much like last year, the Avalanche have somehow managed to put themselves in a position where finishing 13th wouldn't surprise any more people than finishing 5th would.  Most importantly, with a few breaks the Avalanche have a glimmer of hope to enter the playoffs...

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Yes, playoffs, and actually do so as the team that nobody wants to play.

Grab your shades and I'll explain.
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The Bold Assumption

The Avalanche can continue to coast at their current pace, hanging somewhere between 6th and 13th in West dependant on what they did in their last game and who else has played/won since.  The actual place does not matter so much, so long as 8th remains within a few points when the Ides of March come calling.

 

Realization Number 1

The emergence of Wojtek Wolski, better known amongst better fans as Baron Von Wolski.  The Baron has gone from average 3rd line winger to capable temporary first line center almost overnight.  This is essential not only to TBA, but also a crucial factor in the final equation.

 

Realization Number 2

The Avalanche have a capable tandem of goalies.  Sorry Raycroft fans, but Andrew Raycroft is not awesome.  Sorry Budaj fans, but your dude isn't amazing either.  However, what they both are, together, is two NHL goalies capable of giving their team a chance to win on any given night.  No, this certainly shouldn't be the goal of the franchise for the position long term, but Budaj and Raycroft are giving the support necessary to make TBA at least a possibility.

 

The Inevitability Factor

Though no one knows what Joe Sakic will do next season, he will be back this season.  When he comes back, he will join Paul Stastny.  Thanks to RN1, sometime in March, the Avalanche will have 3 awesome centers.

 

Foppa on My Mind

So long as the Avalanche continue on the path to making TBA a reality, Peter Forsberg will be back.  When he does, Peter Forsberg will be awesome.  It could not possibly have been made more clear last season that when Peter Forsberg is in the lineup, he is a gamebreaker.

 

The Final Equation

RN1 + RN2 = TBA + TIF + FOMM = An Avalanche team capable of making one last run at the Stanley Cup in the Sakic, Forsberg, Foote, Hejduk era.

I know, I know, it sounds crazy and I warned you that I was feeling a little too positive today, but get past the ridiculousness of the way it sounds and review the evidence above.

Typically, I hate typing up line combinations as a point of discussion, but I'll compromise my integrity just this once to demonstrate how potent this Avalanche roster can realistically end up when the regular season ends.

Stastny-Smyth-Hejduk
Sakic-Hensick-Jones
Wolski-Forsberg-Svatos
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Again, I made no effort to match chemistry on those lines, only to show depth.  The return of Stas, Sakic, and Fors makes the Avalanche a team capable of rolling 3 very potent offensive lines and a hard hitting 4th line capable of playing very solid defense.  If that isn't enough to rev your engine, did I mention that Darcy Tucker and Tyler Arnason would become healthy scratches on a nightly basis?  You're welcome, Denver.

The defensive lineup can remain the same as it is now.  Are they playing like a playoff team today?  No, but the personnel in place are certainly capable of playing at the level necessary.  They did it last year without Brett Clark, who is certainly capable of playing better hockey than he has been lately.  There is plenty of time for this squad to get to where it needs to be to make the Avalanche tough defensively.

The biggest area of concern is the goaltending situation.  And, it will have to remain the question mark going into the playoffs unless Giguere is able to get something done in the meantime.  Khabibulin makes too much money to come here, let it go folks, please.  If Giguere can bring in any goalie with mild playoff experience and subtle success, I will feel a whole lot better.  Still, though there is no questioning that Raycroft and Budaj should not be any GM's best case scenario heading into the playoffs, they have been able to put a very mediocre Avalanche team into a position to make the playoffs.  My intent is not to fuel a goaltending debate, but simply illustrate that anything is possible.

 

Conclusion

There is some hope for the Avalanche this season.  No, they will never be favorites to win anything, but as demonstrated at the end of the regular season last year and against the Wild in the first round of the playoffs, this Avalanche team is dangerous when healthy.  Though it seems like so much has changed since then, the reality is that should Forsberg make it back, the only difference in the Avalanche roster from last to this year is Jose Theodore, two defenseman that were usually healthy scratches, a talented European that was constantly sratched more than he deserved (Hlinka), and Andrew Brunette.  Yeah, I miss Bruno too, but he isn't exactly setting the world on fire this year, so c'est la vie.

Whether a change is made to the goalie situation or not, the Avalanche will have an offense capable of putting lots of goals on the board and a defensive corps capable of limiting the other team's chances. 

The other exponentially less sexy possibility is that my intricate and complex scientific equation breaks down, Sakic never heals, the goaltending doesn't hold up, Wolski goes back to playing wing, and/or Forsberg never comes back.  Then, the Avalanche finish 13th in the West.

Still, with a few breaks, the Avalanche actually have a chance.

With the way that the first half of the season has gone, can you really ask for more than that?

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For the master of variability. Assuming your equation works, and it should be said i agree with all of it, the Av’s front office will inevitably want to upgrade the team if your TBA is becoming a reality. Who should they pick up and where would he fit into the equation? I ask this as a corollary to Forsberg not coming back. His return is the most uncertain so they would have to do something or we’d be in the midst of starting Arny or This guy, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugTeOz7rsgE

by c6hor8 on Jan 12, 2009 12:47 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

From my point of view, Forsberg not coming back is a deal breaker. This team cannot make any type of run without him and they can’t bring in any player anywhere near his talent level this season without mortgaging the farm and I’m 100% against that.

If Forsberg does come back, I wouldn’t be against moving one of the defenseman and maybe one of the younger forwards around, especially if it were to bring in a goalie.

There is no substitute for Peter Forsberg. If he comes back, I think the front office should take a serious look at what could possibly bolster this roster. Once Joe, Foppa, Hedgie and Adam are gone, it is likely to be a long while before the Avalanche are again a serious threat.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 12, 2009 12:54 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Once Joe, Foppa, Hedgie and Adam are gone, it is likely to be a long while before the Avalanche are again a serious threat.

I actually doubt that. With the way the Avalanche have been playing, I’m sure they’ll be able to attract reasonable talent by the time the old folks retire. They’ve showed they can turn any goalie around (I am starting to think that both Theo and Rayzor were addicted to something and we got them clean or summit) and we’ve only missed the play-offs once since moving to Denver.

by Tommelot on Jan 12, 2009 4:17 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope you’re right, but I don’t think so, only because there is a vast difference between reasonable talent and Joe Sakic/Peter Forsberg caliber talent. Paul Stastny is capable of being the next Joe Sakic for the franchise. Wolski, Hensick, Svatos, Jones, etc. are a never going to be a Peter Forsberg caliber player. I honestly don’t see them becoming Hejduk-level players. Wolski is a possibility, but the rest have a LONG way to go.

The Avalanche can always sign a Free Agent or two to strengthen any area (though they didn’t do it this offseason), but you cannot build a successful team in this league through free agency. The answers must come from within and, sadly, the Avalanche do not have those players in the system right now.

The added complexity for management when our aging heroes go is this; the Avalanche will become a much tougher sell for Free Agents to pick Denver over other cities. When Smyth and Hannan came, the Avalanche got them for fair market value because both players viewed the franchise as a bona fide Stanely Cup contender. They surely won’t be that when those 4 guys leave. Sure you can still get some decent talent in, but you are really pushed to bring in that top tier of talent and certainly can’t bring it in without overpaying. Look at all the teams who tried to sign Hossa for more $. He went to a contender for less money. When Hossa signed, the next big guy was Jagr. He took the money and ran to Russia. Next in line was Naslund. He took the money and a contender and went to the Rangers. Sundin also took both. Very, very difficult to bring in top talent to a middle of the road at best team.

The Avalanche missing the playoffs only once since moving to Denver is a great statistic, but they’ve missed it 1 out of 3 seasons that there was a salary cap.

When those 4 guys go, the Avalanche are left with Stastny, Smyth, Wolksi, and then… wow what a drop off on that second line and beyond. I’ll stick with my blog theme and say nothing’s impossible, but the odds of the Avalanche being a team that anyone considers a cup contender in 2011 are about on par with that of a powerball ticket.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 12, 2009 5:32 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When those 4 guys go, the Avalanche are left with Stastny, Smyth, Wolksi, and then… wow what a drop off on that second line and beyond

This is assuming either all of them leave on the same year OR when a 6M player leaves, they won’t replace his roster spot with similar talent.

I find that hard to believe, to be honest. With a bit of smart coaching, it can’t be that hard to replenish your star-pool. Let’s say Sakic leaves next year (I’m sorry for even thinking this out loud). They aught to replace him that season with someone like Koivu or Gionta. If not, you’re gonna leave a big hole in the rebuilding process that takes some time playing as a non-contender to fill up.

BTW, the upcoming UFA marked is THIN.

by Tommelot on Jan 13, 2009 1:21 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, but I see a great name on it

Wait for it…. Wait for it….

Arnason, Tyler!

I blame it all on my goalie

by TheRed on Jan 13, 2009 1:59 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aw, I was hoping for, you guessed it, Frank Stallone!

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 7:16 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, not all the same year, but even if Sakic plays next year, I think we can all agree that’ll be his last year. Foote’s deal is over at the end of next year, he’s getting up there in years. Distinct possibility he hangs them up. Hejduk’s deal is up at the end of next year. He is getting up there in years and can get way more money to play back home in Russia. I’d say 50/50 he comes back after that. You have to take every minute with Forsberg like its your last because you just never know. So, yes it’s very possible that they lose all 4 next year, if they haven’t lost Forsberg already.

You can’t replace Sakic and Forsberg with similar talent. There is one of those players every free agent class and the Avalanche aren’t a front-runner team to sign the #1 free agent anymore. Hejduk can probably be replaced with someone comperable, but Adam Foote is still viewed in the minds of most GM’s as an elite defeseman. You just don’t replace the upper echelon guys that easily. If your GM busts his ass and gets a little bit lucky, he might be able to replace one of those three players. The other answers have to be youth in your system. That’s like the Penguins saying eh, if Crosby goes, we’ll just sign somebody else. Or the Flames with Iginla, etc. Way easier said than done, imho.

Maybe this isn’t your point, but Koivu and Gionta doesn’t come close to replacing what Sakic and Forsberg can do. If the Avalanche pulled another Brunette with Sakic next season and brought in Brian Gionta to replace him, emotions aside, would anybody alive think that’s a wise hockey move?

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 7:13 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Some points here:

First, The Duke isn’t Russian, he’s Czech. While subtle to some, it is a difference.

Second, Gionta will never again touch that 89 point season in ‘05-’06. He’s not Forsberg or Sakic caliber, never has been, never will be.

Thirdsies, I think that your glasses might be a little rose colored. Sakic has racked up 100 point seasons since the last SC run, but this is the second consecutive season with devistating injuries, so replacing those number would not be difficult. He’s produced at about an 80-ish point pace since the last SC run, outside of the 2006-2007 season where he hit 100. Forsberg hasn’t played more than 60 games since 2002-2003 and won’t hit that this year. Guys like Alfredsson, Staal, Savard, Cheechoo, Thorton, Heatley, Hossa, Briere, Spezza, Kovalchuk, Datsyuk, and Iginla have been at the top of the points board with better numbers than Sakic or Forsberg since the lockout, and only Staal has a SC ring to show for it. Hell, half of those guys have played for multiple teams, so player movement isn’t as limited as you seem to think.

I think you’re a little glass half-empty on this one. Remember, nobody wanted to play for the Ducks or Carolina or Tampa Bay but they’ve all built teams via the draft AND free agency. Colorado has a reputation as a good organization with a winning tradition and a solid fan base. Players will still prefer to play here if they money and fit is right.

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 13, 2009 8:42 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Czech is different than Russia, but still thousands of miles closer to home.

I hope you’re right about player movement. I digress, I am probably a little more jaded because this year’s FA crop was awfully small.

We disagree on your last paragraph. Without Penner, Getzlaf, and Giguere, the Ducks don’t win that Cup, all were amazing in that run and drafted by the Ducks. Likewise with Tampa Bay, Lecavalier, Richards, St. Louis, and Khabibulin, I believe were all drafted by the Lightning. Without those cores built through the draft (even pre-lockout), those teams don’t win the Cup.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 3:01 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Khabi was drafted by the Jets in ’92 and played with them during the move to PHX.

Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!

by Mike @ MHH on Jan 14, 2009 10:46 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

really? +1 for you, I was sure he was a TBL draft choice.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don’t have a lot to add to Mike’s comments, but I do want to point out one other factor:
We got both Smyth and Hannan when we really needed them in FA. They were the top 2 guys for their positions and we got them both. I think it will be feasible to replace retiring talent.

Hejduk isn’t moving to Russia, and most likely neither to the Czech league. He stated himself he loves being an Avalanche. The only other possibility is that he hangs up his skates. Last year I read on (I think Mike’s blog, but I haven’t done the leg-work) that he’s been having knee-problems and surgery would be the only, and career ending, option.

Even though I worship everything Foppa does (other than those ugly-ass Crocs) We have been alright without him.
I have no idea what Foote is gonna do, but he has a couple of years left in his tank.

So we really only need to replace Sakic with a big free agent. I’m possibly hoping for a winger so we’d have Stazzer and Wolski (I’m still not entirely digging this The Baron thing) as our top 2 centers (Yes, I know we need to see Wolski play there for longer than 4 games).

by Tommelot on Jan 13, 2009 9:28 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We got both Smyth and Hannan when we really needed them in FA. They were the top 2 guys for their positions and we got them both. I think it will be feasible to replace retiring talent.

The Avalanche were a badass team at the time. They aren’t anymore. It can still be done, but the Avs are the easy sell that they once were.

We are in total agreement that Crocs are awful.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 3:03 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

*aren’t

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 3:10 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

  • I mean the Avs aren’t an easy sell. Crocs are a crime against humanity.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 3:11 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think there’s a fair amount of hope over experience in this post…

If you’re looking for a best case scenario, this is a pretty good one. Would be awesome if it happened, of course.

by eltharion_doa on Jan 12, 2009 2:36 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Still, with a few breaks, the Avalanche actually have a chance.

As long as it’s not another body part of an Avalanche player.

Hey, Nash is out of tonight’s game, so that is the kind of break we need.

I am not quite on the Playoff Train yet, just because I have gotten my hopes up a couple of times this year to have them crash and burn. However, I am hoping that this change in play is the real deal. I just need a few more games like the Pens game to renew my trust.

Sakic and Forsberg are truly the pivotal parts of your equation. If those two don’t come back, two negatives will not make a positive. Let’s hope they return.

What keeps going through my head is that Elway got to retire with a Super Bowl win, so wouldn’t it be nice if Sakic got to retire with a Stanley Cup win. But that’s just the romantical part of me speaking.

by hockeymom on Jan 13, 2009 8:31 AM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What keeps going through my head is that Elway got to retire with a Super Bowl win

Bourque, anyone?

by Tommelot on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And I meant that in the negative way. Not saying that Sakic is gonna play for the Wings or Sharks, but it is possible. Bourque was a well-loved Bruin before he became a well-loved Avalanche.

by Tommelot on Jan 13, 2009 9:31 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God I hope not.

You are totally messing with my hockey fantasy now!

by hockeymom on Jan 13, 2009 10:00 AM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Difference...

At least in my opinion there is a big difference. Bourque had never one a cup and Boston knew they were in no position to get him one. Sakic has two and winning a third may not be his biggest priority.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Jan 13, 2009 12:43 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sakic has two and winning a third may not be his biggest priority.

Good point, hopefully it’s Forsbergs.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 3:08 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, Nash is out of tonight’s game, so that is the kind of break we need.

But Mason is still in net. Granted we ended his shutout streak last time we played them, and it was with the doughnut line. So it could possibly be enough?

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Jan 13, 2009 12:41 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not on the playoff train myself, but it’s nice that at least its a possibility. There were more than a few games this year where I didn’t think there’d be any way we could be sitting at the halfway point and still have chance.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 13, 2009 3:09 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know Mason and the defense is a huge problem. I am just looking at the fact that Nash had a career high of 4 points the last game, with 1 goal and 3 assists. Not having as much offensive power couldn’t hurt, could it?

by hockeymom on Jan 13, 2009 1:29 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I couldn't hurt

but we must also realize that on Oct 30th when we first played the BJ’s and lost 4-2, Nash didn’t score a single point. So it’s not all Nash….

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-

by Americanario on Jan 13, 2009 3:44 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well then Darcy Tucker better get out there and start knocking some knees!

by hockeymom on Jan 13, 2009 3:50 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Darcy Tucker knocks on front doors and runs away laughing. That’s about the extent of his knocking. To his credit, that shit was freaking funny in high school. Actually, it’s still pretty funny now.

It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.

by JonHaven on Jan 14, 2009 10:28 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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