Real Solutions for Real Problems
The Avalanche stink because Peter Budaj is not an NHL caliber starting goalie.
If that's your opinion, please go back to watching internet porn. This column is not for you.
For those of you with a hockey IQ over 30 who realize there are a smorgasbord of shortcomings in the Avalanche organization, I'd recommend reading this during the 2nd or 3rd period of the next Avalanche game. Trust me, you're not going to miss anything.
The Avalanche are 19-18, making them the worst .500 team I have ever seen. Nobody skates, nobody plays offense, nobody plays defense, nobody hits. The veterans are playing like disinterested old men who should've hung up the skates decades ago. The younger players with alleged talent are too busy counting the bills of their new NHL sized checks to have any energy left to play hockey.
To the optimist, this team could turn it around through Our Lord, Peter Forsberg and make the playoffs... and maybe even win a round before being decimated by one of the powerhouse teams in the West.
To the pessimist, this team couldn't blow harder if Giguere brought in Dark Helmet and Mega Maid.
Realistically, this team has some potential but is caught in a black hole of awfulness that just seems to get bigger every game.
Since I want to be House when I grow up, I'm going to attempt to diagnose that which ails this terribly pathetic team starting with the biggest cancers and working my way down to the smallest pimples.
1. The General Manager.
Francois Giguere has mismanaged this team since day one. He fired a proven NHL coach last season and replaced him with an under qualified overachiever.
The reason he gave was that he wanted the Avalanche to play more up tempo hockey. Sounds great... except since then he made multiple personnel decisions displaying that he either changed his mind or isn't fit to run a high school team. He let Andrew Brunette go and didn't even extend him the courtesy of a phone call. Not only is he incapable, his mother apparently didn't teach him any manners.
After Bruno was gone, he looked at his lineup and loved what he saw. The only holes on the Avalanche roster in the eyes of its commander in chief were the need of an old, douchey veteran decades past his prime and a shaky-at-best discount goalie to back up Peter Budaj. No problem for Frankie G. Hello Douchey, I mean Darcy Tucker and Andrew Raycroft. Geez, those folks in Canada really don't know anything about hockey, buying out talent as awesome as this.
He didn't notice that the Avalanche have not one player in the system capable of a heavy slapshot. He grotesquely overvalued the franchises' abilities in the faceoff circle, on the penalty kill, and in the speed department.
If the Avalanche are going to become a franchise that anybody is going to pay money to see in the coming seasons, unless Peter Forsberg can play forever, Giguere needs to go.
2. Tony Granato
This guy was brought in because Q changed the goalies too much and management decided that they wanted a team to play a faster brand of hockey. The only problem with that was Granato already had been given the most talented offensive roster in franchise history and was knocked out of round one.
Under Granato, the Avalanche gave 110% and showed the were capable of playing the hockey that management so desperately wanted. For 3 games. Since then, the Avalanche typically skate hard for 1/3 to 1/2 of a game.
The Avalanche have no system whatsoever, except, "by all means, don't skate too hard out there and pull a groin."
Why won't the players skate for Granato? I don't know and neither does he apparantly, so he must be fired.
3. Lack of a defenseman with a canon or Ryan Smyth.
I love Ryan Smyth. In a season where the players' efforts have amounted to little more than horse dung, Smyth has played with passion night in and night out. However, Ryan Smyth is making a ton of money. He is most valuable in front of the net making deflections and creating havok while his defenseman launch bombs from the point. Without any players capable of complimenting Smitty from the blueline, the Avalanche are not getting the value out of what they are paying.
A guy that can shoot must be brought in or Ryan Smyth should be traded to address some of the Avalanche's shortcomings. No, this won't happen, but it should. Cap space is too valuable to waste and $7M a season for a player who puts up less than 60 points a season doesn't work.
If I were a betting man, and I am, I would wager that many will disagree with me on this. But, through my eyes, 7 million dollars can buy talent capable of putting up Marian Hossa level numbers. Ryan Smyth just isn't putting up those numbers right now and the lack of goals is really hurting this team.
4. Over-valuation of all in-house talent.
Wolski is awesome in shootouts, but only plays well about half the time. Many fans on MHH have a lot of faith in Wolski and I understand why. For me, I have no patience in any professional athlete who struggles to care on a regular basis.
Marek Svatos can finish, but can not be counted on to score or stay healthy. Svatos should be traded to any sucker team that perceives him to have some value.
Cody McCormick plays okay, but is doesn't do anything as well as McLeod. I don't know why, but I like the kid. Still, he should be moved for picks or prospects if possible.
David Jones either looks great or awful, typically awful. He might be a 2nd liner someday, but not today.
T.J. Hensick see also, David Jones.
Avalanche management believed that these players are were capable of contributing this season. They aren't. It should be a hidden positive that these players, along with Stewart, Dupuis, etc. are getting quality NHL minutes due to injuries, but none of them are playing like they have a preference between Denver and Cleveland. All of them should be moved if the right opportunity presents itself. The right opportunity is for anything other than veterans.
5. Tyler Arnason
He's become the official whipping boy of virtually every Av fan with a keyboard. In reality, Tyler is not that bad. Having said that, he's not any good either.
Arnason needs to go because the Avalanche are showing serious personality issues and Tyler personifies every one of those. He can't win faceoffs. He refuses to skate for 60 minutes. He'll slap his grandmother before he finishes a check.
There are a ton of prospects playing in uniprons right now. It is horrifying to imagine the lessons they must be learning from watching the Avalanche's first line center night after night. Tyler needs to go, if for no other reason, to send a message to the team that playing games via absentee ballot are unacceptable.
When I started writing this, my intentions were to list 10 areas, but since the Avalanche won't put forth more than half an effort, why should I?
Special thanks to InYoFace for the best one-liner I've read in weeks.
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Nice article
I agree with the Smyth thing, he’s a top player and I’d hate to see him go but without someone who can rip cannons from the blue line he’s never gonna live up to what he can, He’s shown what he can do when Liles takes shots so he’s still got the ability, we just need someone to work with him.
Arnason I agree with, great guy who’s probably awesome to hang with but not an NHL player.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Thanks
It’s sad and I don’t like it, but the situation is what it is. Smyth should be a destroyer, especially on the powerplay, but the Avalanche doesn’t have the supporting case to make him one. Liles would make great 2nd point man on the PP, but he doesn’t have a shot that has opposing penalty killers wetting their pants or thinking about their children before they go to block his shots.
by JonHaven on Jan 4, 2009 12:21 AM MST up reply actions
Smytty's defense
I’ve noticed that points stats don’t adequately reflect how big an impact a player like Smyth, or Holmstrom, has on their team. I see a lot of goals that are created by Smyth, where he gets no credit, because he is screening and causing havoc on a goalie but never actually touches the puck, therefore getting no credit.
Holmstrom’s highest point total in a season is 59, and I think anyone who watches games would take Holmstrom or Smyth over a guy like Maxim Afiniganov (a 61 pt and 71 point season) or a Robert Lang (Multiple 70+ point seasons).
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Jan 4, 2009 1:22 AM MST up reply actions
I get your point, but my problem with it is Smyth is making $7.25M this season. Holmstrom is screening and creating havoc for a third of that @ $2.25M.
If Smyth isn’t putting up numbers, what is he making 3X the cash for?
Also, Buffalo is about as happy with Max as we are with Arnason, maybe less so . Afino has been benched for at least 3 or 4 games that I can remember this season. If they could release him and not have to pay him, they would.
by JonHaven on Jan 4, 2009 1:37 AM MST up reply actions
Afinaganov
I know they don’t like him one bit. I was just trying to say that Smyth’s numbers don’t translate well to his value.
Don’t forget Holmstrom also took a massive discount to stay with the Wings.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on Jan 4, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
Point taken… which is why I chuckle when people use only numbers to compare Theo to Budaj. Intangibles do go a long way. What frustrates me is they could get a ton of added value out of Smyth if they had a defenseman who could shoot.
by JonHaven on Jan 4, 2009 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
1. Smyth is making 6.25 averaged out. I wish people would stop cherry picking his salary numbers.
2. Smyth is a better player away from the net than Holmstrom.
3. Our lack of depth at center and poor point play from the D is hurting the whole team, most of all Smyth’s game. Smyth’s numbers could easily be better with a true #1 D-man working the point.
4. In spite of #3 he is still our best forward with Stastny out.
Smyth is perhaps overpaid, but that was the price of a FA that summer. Everyone thought the team was on the cusp, all we needed was another stellar player or two, the cap was rising every year, etc. The bottom line is he makes the Avs better in many ways, and we had to pay a lot for it.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jan 5, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
In regards to 1, should we average out his awful numbers from last year in with this year’s too? However you want to add up $, he isn’t putting up the numbers that players of that pay grade are.
He does make the Avs better in a lot of ways, but not a $6.25M averaged out # of ways. Not without a supporting cast around him to build off what he brings.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
You cannot throw out $7.25 million when you are making comparisons to other players when the cap hit is a million bucks less at 6.25. It’s that simple.
Look, I am not arguing we are paying him more money than the numbers say he should get. With all of the problems on this team why are you so worried that one of our best forwards and few bright spots is overpaid by a million dollars.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jan 5, 2009 3:04 PM MST up reply actions
The number I looked up gave me $7.25M. You’re telling me that I cannot report the actual salary he is getting paid this year as his salary, then correcting my figure by a million dollars, then telling me I’m the one who’s wrong for even worrying about a million dollars in the first place? K.
I listed the 5 most critical areas I think the Avs need to improve. Smyth came in at 3rd. I think he should be the best player on this team and he is being paid as such. Right now, he isn’t worth the money. I believe that for a hockey team to be successful, first and foremost, their best players have to play like great players. This team is starving for goals, pardon me if I first look to the highest paid players on the team to provide them.
Yes, there are a half dozen or more dudes on this team not earning their salary, but I’m a top down guy. Losing Tucker & Arnason isn’t going to fix the Avalanche, but I think having a $6M forward who scores like a $6M would go a long way right now.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 3:27 PM MST up reply actions
Tho I see your point
it’s not Smyth’s fault that the Avs’ management sucks donkey dick right now and won’t get the kind of players he needs in order to perform at the level you would expect with that salary. I think #3 should only be, “Get Smyth a supporting cast” period. For everything else he does, like bringing 100% to every game and playing his freaking heart out, trading him would be a huge mistake. And it’d make me cry. Bruno hurt enough, but Smytty too?? Tears just thinking about it.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Jan 5, 2009 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
totally not Smyth’s fault. Dude plays his ass off every game. Remember when that was the expected and not the exception?
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 8:00 PM MST up reply actions
I think you’re right with pretty much all those points. But it appears that almost every team goes through these periods nowadays. Looking back at the Pens yesterday, or the way the Deadwings performed against us, I’m sure their fanbase is also screaming ‘bloody murder’.
26 Card Jet
I don’t know about Pens fans themselves, but the team seems to be screaming “bloody murder” from what I’ve read in the media – players only meetings, Crosby fighting ect. As for Wings fans, they are committing bloody murder after every time we beat them.
Red Wings Suck
They’re screaming something, lol. I don’t know about the Wings because I don’t follow them outside of Avs’ games with them because it nauseates me, but Tommelot is right about the Penguins. Their situation is maybe even more pathetic than ours. They have a much more talented roster and are without the injuries, but other than their top two guys, nobody shows up for the games. Sound familiar?
by JonHaven on Jan 4, 2009 5:52 PM MST up reply actions
So who is their goalie sleeping with?
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
Apparently somebody who’s way to aggressive, the dude gets hurt for 1/3 of every season.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 8:39 AM MST up reply actions
At least they have two guys that show up every night
by eltharion_doa on Jan 5, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
And one of them isn’t Lappy. I love Lappy, but he isn’t going to score the Avalanche out of this slump.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
Terribly incomplete list
You forgot 1A. Ice girls. At least then some fans would have something to look at while the Avs are Arnasoning around out there boring everyone out of their skulls.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
Guh. The Pens have ice girls, I call them the Ice Sluts. I find the entire thing very annoying and a little creepy, half of them look to be 13. Whether my team is winning or losing, the building blasting cotton eye joe and a bunch of whores dancing in the aisles does not a pleasant hockey experience make for me. Scantily clad dancing sluts does have a place in this world, but for me those places are clubs, strip bars, and my basement.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 2:14 PM MST up reply actions
I disagree
When done correctly, Ice Girls are the shiz. I point you toward Carolina as the epitome of ice girls.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
They’re def smoking, but I don’t want them “performing” at hockey games. I guess I’m a sports purist or something. I don’t like the ice girls or any of the other “entertainment” gimmicks that AHL teams do throughout the entire game to keep the fans “involved”. I go to hockey games to watch hockey, not to listen to the new Linkin Park song at 10,000 watts when the play stops, or throw a puck at the bucket at the center of the ice, or watch pretty girls dance. When I go to a hockey game, I want it to be that, not an “entertainment experience”. That’s what Las Vegas is for. The mites and squirts playing a mini-game is the best between period entertainment there is.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
Seriously, can’t we just watch a god damn hockey game without a bunch of fake boobs shoved into our faces? I was appalled the first time I saw the Carolina “cheerleaders”; it was ludicrous — it’s a hockey game! I mean, dudes, there are so, so, so many other places we can see that.
But the Carolina girls are up in the stands, not one the ice, as far as I know. Real cheerleaders in hot spandex. I’ve said too much already.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Dancing in the aisles I find terribly annoying. Though I will concede that Cotton Eye Fing Joe certainly doesn’t help. I’d rather pay my $1 to see a real dance at the proper venue and get hockey for the price of my hockey ticket.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 3:30 PM MST up reply actions
You had me until you said you’d see a real dance for $1. You need to amend your standards…
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Come on, Mike. If you’re thinking jazz, ballet, or whatever one of the other types of dance someone pays money for their daughter to learn when you read “real” dance, I understand. But, the ice whores aren’t attempting art, they’re trying to be sexy at a hockey game.
Maybe “real” isn’t the best adjective for the type of dancing I’d pay money to see, but it’s the only kind I’d care to see. And not during a hockey game.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 7:53 PM MST up reply actions
That was my point. “Real” isn’t the best adjective to describe choreographed air humping.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
I'm all about the hockey, too
but when they’re cleaning the ice and the lights are off, why not let people enjoy Ice Girls or music or whatever. The Aeros ran movie trailers one night and it was a huge hit. Probably because people liked it, they haven’t gone back to it since. I can tell you that on weekdays when the dancers aren’t there and there’s nothing to do, I usually sit there and play my DS and ignore other people. If I wasn’t a hockey diehard, I’d be bored out of my freaking mind.
Whatever form of entertainment they throw out, I’m probably fine with. It’s an excruciating 18 minutes when you’re just watching the seconds tick down.
They call me Bubblegum.
The only thing i megaloathe is the playing of music, just went to a Twenty20 cricket game and the music was played incredibly loud and in between every ball, It became a concert with a bit of cricket thrown in. Too much ruins the game. Doesn’t help the one decent song they played all night was Jessies Girl.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Honestly
I based the music off my Houston experience because that’s all I’ve had in a long time (the fiascos at Dallas notwithstanding) and they don’t play the music very loud at all. Casual conversation usually drowns it out, which is probably why I don’t mind the music part.
They call me Bubblegum.
At the cricket it kind a drowned out conversation, not to mention playing it between every delivery meant there was about 1 minute of cricket then 2 minutes of music for 3 hours straight, have the time they played the music till the bowler was halfway through his run up and about to release the ball. It was incredibly annoying.
So was the dude sitting in front of me with one of those straw Indiana jones type hats on blocking my view, Me and my mate spent the 3 hours mocking him and some stupid woman next to him who said it was too late to start the mexican wave at 7.00 at night. We never knew it had a time limit.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
If the Avs get ice girls
I’m not going to another game. They are a lame ass attempt to get the average guy into a game so he can stare at their tits during breaks. I shuddered when the Kings brought them in. And said, “It freaking figures” when the Ducks put up the highlight reel from the first period which only highlighted cleavage. Perhaps it’s the woman in me, but I prefer my hockey a little more pure and gritty than that.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Jan 5, 2009 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
I’m with you, it seems terribly out of place and classless to me.
I want to see Forsberg elbow somebody in the head, make him bleed, then take the puck and score a goal. There are enough things going on in life already that my 27 year old mind is already distracted by sex every 31 seconds. I really don’t need the extra push from a hockey game.
by JonHaven on Jan 5, 2009 7:57 PM MST up reply actions
I can understand Cali having ice girls because thats pretty much all there is there and it fits in well with the superficiial blonde bimbo look they go for but it would seem incredibly out of place in Denver and it seems like another lame attempt to cop Basketball. the NBA needs cheerleaders cause their sport sucks. Ice Hockey doesnt.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
The first time I ever saw Ice Girls, I had to ask myself “what the F&%$?”. Enough teams have them now I don’t think I’d really care if the Avs had some, but then again I have yet to be able to get to Denver for a game. I only see the games on TV or at Frozen Fury every season…I think it was Frozen Fury where I saw Ice Dancers the first time. Honestly I barely noticed them other than the fact they were throwing things to the fans and since it was Kings gear I really didn’t pay much attention.
I haven’t seen a hockey game yet where they showed the girls on TV, unlike the cheerleaders at football and basketball games.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
I like the Ice Girls. I know women everywhere kill me now! But the cheerleader thing in Carolina is all part of the draw for the footballish fans. The atmosphere there is a lot more like a football game. They have tailgating before each game and everything. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with transferring the cheerleader thing to hockey.
Now the “chuck a puck” thing and blasting burritos into the audience is just plain stupid. They even have human bowling here at the Blazers games. The absolute worst though is the sing along with a Toby Keith song. Good God, it’s horrible!
But football fans are inherently stupid, thats why there football fans. Hockey should never stoop to the level football has to.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I don’t believe they’re stupid as much as it is “NFL culture” to get 1 drink away from passing out drunk before every game. Maybe because it works so well for the Steelers, people do it for the Penguins games now too. It really takes away from the fun of a game.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions
I agree that sitting near completely drunk fans is a pain. I’ve been to an LSU game, and have experienced beer bottles being thrown in your direction. But as a southern girl who enjoys a good time, I like the pumped up atmosphere you get, even when alcohol is involved.
And I was poking fun at Savage for football = soccer.
Heckling people is fine, but dumping nacho cheese on peoples’ backs and pushing them when they stand up wasn’t even cool in grade school.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
We believed strongly in only throwing non-marking food. Baby carats that you could shoot across the room by squeezing them between your thumb fingers was the best.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
Soccer’s not really our passtime, It’s gotten bigger since we qualified for the world cup but its still 3rd tier, Austalian Rules Football, which is better than NFL football and Cricket are still the top 2 sports.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Goaltending is also a problem.
The Avs’ goaltending situation is mediocre, and respectable at best. Yes, all the areas you listed are problem areas, but for some reason, everyone on this site thinks having Budaj as a starter is not a problem.
He’s not the main problem, and with all the above issues mentioned, I’m fine with him in net—for now. But if this team is ever to be a powerhouse, goaltending will have to be addressed somewhere down the line.
The Angry Avalanche Nerd.
This team is at least two seasons away from being a powerhouse. In reality, it will probably never be a powerhouse again. Those don’t exist anymore. Even Detroit’s luster is going to fade after this season when some of their huge names go for Free Agency.
Budaj has been fine for now. I don’t see how you can say he’s a problem if there has never been an above average team around him. All but 2 of the 30 starting goalies in the NHL are going to get hung out to dry if their team leaves them hanging the way the Avalanche have.
With the surroundings that he’s been given, Budaj has been one of the brighter spots. This is not an over .500 team. They can’t score, they can’t kill penalties or even win 1/3 of the faceoffs, yet somehow they manage to win half the games.
If the Avalanche ever start to get better and Budaj falters, then sure, can him. Until then, he has been no worse, and usually much better, than the team playing around him. You can only play with the cards your dealt.
I think I’m going to end all my posts with cliches for awhile.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
Budaj works twice as hard?
Last I heard, the Avs give up somewhere around the 5th fewest shots in the league.
Budaj is not a solid #1, and never will be. But he’ll do for now.
The Angry Avalanche Nerd.
Nobody said he works twice as hard, but thanks for the insight. Does your crystal ball work for sports betting too or is it a goaltending-only prognosticator?
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
Nevermind, I see that hockeymom said that below. I don’t agree with that. But I don’t think you can close the book on Budaj by any means. He’s been average (slightly above or below depending on where you stand) on a below average team. It’d be nice to see what he could do with some actual talent around him.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
For Budaj this year, it’s like riding your bike up a mountain with a flat back tire: he has to work twice as hard has other goalies for the same result. But, the positive of it is now that he is used to playing games with practically no defensive support, think of what it will be like when he actually plays behind good defense. He’s not going to know what to do with himself. He’ll probably spend one whole period chasing after one of those ice girls (preferrably not the really slutty one).
Ryan Smyth
Since a lot of you didn’t care for my evaluation of the Smyth situation, I went back and dug up some numbers to support my case. The Avalanche, as we know, are in a pickle of a cap situation. Smyth’s cap hit is 6.25M this season. He has 12 goals, 15 assists, 27 points in 40 games. I’m calling that half the season. Double his #‘s and we’ll project his stats for the year; 24 goals, 30 assists, 54 points.
At the rate he is going, Ryan Smyth is making:
$240,416.67 per goal or
$115,740.74 per point.
One hundred and fifteen thousand dollars per point.
In comparison, using my same method as above, Hejduk, who hasn’t exactly been setting the world on fire as of late is making $65,000 per point.
Do we still not agree that either the production needs to go up or we should find Smyth a new team?
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 10:00 AM MST reply actions
$ per point
$76,087 – Iginla
$85,294 – Crosby
$74,444 – Datsyuk
$65,000 – Hejduk
$115,740 – Smyth
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
I still say we need ice girls.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on Jan 7, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
I'll Cave
So long as we pay them less than 100 grand per point.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
Which points are we talking about? Nipples? I’d say $100k per nipple might get you some mighty fine nipples…
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This Just In!
Ryan Smyth is making $3.125M per nipple.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Are you aware that Terri Frei has a blog on the DP called “Mile High Mike” and it isn’t about you? What an asshole.
http://blogs.denverpost.com/sports/2008/12/20/mile-high-mike/
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
You mean a "shoop".
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
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