Trade Rumours begin
by Tommelot on Jan 7, 2009 12:14 PM MST
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PrintGiguere talked about how hard it is to trade players nowadays, with all the teams being so close to the cap. This, to me, implied that he's willing to stirr things up a bit and make some roster changes.
As puck daddy is starting up their first 'rumors live chat', the Avs are being thrown to the sharks as sellers. According to the fourth period
According to a radio report stemming from Ottawa's Team 1200, the Avalanche and Senators are discussing a trade that might involve forward Marek Svatos and defenseman John-Michael Liles. It's uncertain what the Senators might ship back to Colorado in exchange.
JML and Svats combine for a cap hit of 6.3M, where the senators have 2.6M in capspace left. The 3.7M left could be traded our way in the shape of Mike Fisher (12 pts), a hockey player I know nothing about. But would there honestly be a single Avalanche fan interested in this trade? It looks absurd.
It's also very unlikely they're gonna be trading Alfredsson, the life-long face of the franchise.
Dany Heatley and his 7.5M caphit, however, could be making the trip to Denver. I'm sure we'd be able to pay him with all the injuries. He brings 0.95 pts/game to the table this season, exactly like Liles and Svatos (freaky coincidence; careerwise pts/g are also exactly the same at 1.10). This would look like a good trade for the Avalanche, as they'd be able to dress another player without expecting any point-production from him. Where are we gonna find another body to dress though, with all the injuries and all? My conclusion for this trade is, even though it looks tempting, a solid 'thanks, but no thanks'.
The same goes for the younger and cheaper Spezza, who would also better, as he's a center instead of a LW.
The biggest downside on both these trades is that both of these signings would make a return of Foppa, our savior, to the unipron even less likely.
Regardless of this rumour, I strongly believe that JML is one of the players that is in line (together with Stastny and Wolski maybe) to be the next face of the franchise.
I wouldn't mind seeing a "Tucker for Bruno" deal, with FG proudly admitting he made a mistake and makes up for it.
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I would think Svatos for Vermette+ might be a bit more likely. Maybe Clark for Vermette too, as they need an offensive defenseman.
Agree totally. Watched the Ottawa game last night, they get zero offense after the first line.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions
I just don’t see JML going anywhere, he’s the only young, capable defense man they have. (Cumiskey isn’t there yet.)
Unless the Avalanche go in to hardcore suck on purpose rebuild mode, which I don’t think will ever happen, Liles is here to stay. I think that’s a good thing.
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions
The fact that we all think that is the reason he’ll go…Which I agree would suck.
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Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
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I would be super pissed if JML was traded. He really seems to want lifetime Av status. Plus who do we have that could replace his production. Getting rid of JML is a total thumbs down stupid move.
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besides
the Avs would totally lose my support if they shipped off my boyfriend. why would they risk that?? i’m just sayin.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Jan 7, 2009 10:49 PM MST up reply actions
Tradition mostly. (From Charlie Wilson’s War)
by JonHaven on Jan 8, 2009 8:17 AM MST up reply actions
I saw this
There was a rumor going around a week or two ago, but I never saw a link so I dropped it.
I think the only way this makes sense for the Avs is if they get Spezza for these two. Liles is too good, and too young, to trade for Vermette and parts. I think Ottawa is looking for Cap relief too, since Spezza, Alfredsson Heatly combine for a $19M cap hit for the next 5 years (seriously that’s a huge chunk of change invested over the long term). I’ve also heard Spezza is available.
But anything less than Spezza or Heatley for these two and only effort the Avs should make is holding in their laughter until they hang up the phone.
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ya, i’d be interested in this, but I jsut don’t see Ottawa seeking such a small return for either of those 2. they could get waaaay more, especially in the area of D or goaltending from florida or columbus.
Yeah, but Florida and Columbus are midway (or farther) through a rebuild and both sets of management have faith in the young cores of players and the growth of those two franchises. There are many in Ottawa that believe the Sens should be blown up, starting with Spezza and Vermette.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
you’re telling me Columbus or Florida wouldn’t sell their souls for a bonafide #1 center in Spezza? Let alone a top 10 player in this league like Heatley?
Yes.
Columbus has followed Nashville’s building plan the last couple of season, so I don’t see them throwing in the towel and moving the number of assets/picks it would take to make a worthwhile trade with Ottawa. RJ Umberger is getting paid good money to center Rick Nash, so he’d likely go down a line if Spezza came the other way, but looking at Columbus’ roster, I don’t see a ton that Ottawa would be interested in other than Huselius or maybe Modin. Spezza for Umberger is pretty unbalanced from a cash standpoint, so something else would have to go in the deal. They seem to like Filatov and Voracek so they have some depth at the wing to make the Heatley deal work, but nothing from a money standpoint that would involve 2 or 3 guys. That seems like a lot to give up during a rebuild for one guy. But that’s just my opinion.
As for Florida, they appear to be sold on Horton and Weiss up the middle and have stated that those two are untouchable, so one of them would have to go the other way in a deal for Spezza. Heatley is a more interesting case because Booth is the only young gun on the wing and I could see a big sign and trade for Bouwmeester since he’s leaving town anyway. Either way, Florida is up against the cap as it is so picking up a $7 mil or $7.5 mil guy means somebody $IGNIFICANT has to go the other way. That being said, Florida has a history of mismanagement, so anything is possible. They traded Luongo for Bertuzzi for chrissakes.
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Liles is too good, and too young, to trade for Vermette and parts.
Liles isn’t that good or that young. He’s 28. His production is slipping, not growing. 44, 44, 26, on a pace for about 35 this year. He counts $4 mil (?) against the cap. What’s so good about that?
Vermette’s having a terrible season, but he was a 20-goal scorer 3 years in a row before this. Not trying to justify that trade, just am continually surprised at the praise JML gets around here when he’s clearly not improving and is, in fact, declining in his play.
by Dan Winkler on Jan 8, 2009 5:43 PM MST up reply actions
i can't get over it
how much people look solely at certain stats to determine a player’s worth. yeah, i’m biased, but the fact remains, Liles has ROCKED this year. he’s always been known as an offensive d-man, but this year, he’s been so strong in his own end AND he’s starting to shoot from the blueline more, jump in the play more, and just be THERE more. i truly believe he’s the kind of player that you want to keep around for years to come, another “face of the Avalanche.”
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Jan 9, 2009 12:03 AM MST up reply actions
Last night was a very good example of him being “THERE”. Almost every time he was on the ice he was making you notice his play in some way or another. The first power play the Avs had, they accumulated 5 shots, 2-3 were his. They sustained pressure and he was the one keeping the puck in. He definitely had a very good game last night, as did Wolski.
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Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
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by Americanario on Jan 9, 2009 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
Blockbuster!
Darcy Tucker for, you guessed it, Frank Stallone!
by JonHaven on Jan 7, 2009 4:08 PM MST reply actions
But can he play hockey?
Never mind, Tucker can’t either.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jan 7, 2009 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t want to see Liles go but the only Senator I really want on the Avs is Heatley. And if sacrifices have to be made then so be it, but I’d be incredibly surprised if the Sens trade Heatley, he’s one of their top players and they only just made him an ‘A’ this year so it seems they want him to stay and maybe take over from Alfrfeddson in the future.
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I’d love Heatley…but I think Spezza is the guy the Sens are looking to move.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jan 7, 2009 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, it’s unlikely Heatley will be traded. It looks like they’re grooming him to be the future face of the Sens.
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"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
For sure
He’s definitely going to be given the keys to the Sens car…
…wait, that may not be the best analogy.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 7, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
I always wonder who’s gonna be thone to make a dumb joke like that when heatleys involved. I MEGA LOATHE people who make jokes about hat and keep bringing it up to insult him. Read ‘A season of Loss, A lifetime f Forgiveness. The Dan snyder and Dany Heatley Story’. It’s a great book that talks about the aftermath of the crash.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Hey
Caroll Burnett, the famous (and very funny) comedian said:
Comedy is tragedy plus time.
I get your point, Drunk Driving isn’t funny, and it was very tragic. But the Titanic was tragic and people make jokes about it all the time. The Hindenburg was tragic, and people joke about it. Same with the Great depression, World War 2, Kurt Cobain’s death and a boatload of other things.
Mel Brooks did a song and dance about the Spansih Inquisition, which was literally a witch hunt.
At what point does something start becoming ok to joke about?
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 7, 2009 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
Ok
Then no laughing at these
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 7, 2009 10:53 PM MST up reply actions
Ahahahahahahah
I’m a straight rebel, man.
They call me Bubblegum.
by A.J. Haefele on Jan 7, 2009 11:09 PM MST up reply actions
Thats allowable cause they’re complete idiots. It’s not so much that i hate joes about it but the amount of people that make serious insults about it.
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"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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Don’t get me wrong i love laughing at peoples deaths and disasters like the Titanic and that stuff but I’m apparently a slightly sadistic person. It’s just all the people calling him a murderer and shit like that that pisses me off, plus it was a complete accident that involved one of my favourite players that annoys me.
Caroll Burnett, the famous (and very funny) comedian said:
Also that wouldn’t happen to be a shot at me being a Dane Cook fan, pauses again for thrown rocks, would it.
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"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Well...
It was an accident insofar as cars are not meant to be driven at the speeds at which he reached on residential streets.
And I can’t believe that anyone can be a Dane Cook fan. Look at me! I’m being FRANTIC AND MOVING MY HANDS AROUND FAST! LAUGH AT MY STOLEN JOKES!!!!
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by PPP on Jan 8, 2009 8:05 AM MST up reply actions
If i remember from the book, it’s been a while but I don’t think they confirmed 100% he was speeding, plus the road was dodgy as hell.
And why does evryone hate Dane Cook. It’s just like Family Guy, seems to polarize the world into two distinct groups with no middle.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately for you Seth and his $100 million won’t change to accomadat your views.
I feel privileged to have started comments that have polarized MHH, and the world.
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"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Well, as a song I like says
“I make money, money don’t make me.”
People all over america make a boatload of money on completely retarded stuff, not just family guy. Its not just america, there are a lot of retards everywhere. Doesn’t change the fact that the show sucks, and I really don’t care if he keeps making it. I know how to turn the channel. However, if I could think of something that ridiculously weak (or steal someone else’s jokes like he does) and make money off of it, I’d do it. I just can’t think to that low of a level.
Honestly, if I laughed at that show even once, I would not have written either of these comments. But due to the fact that the GF likes the show, I’ve seen it enough to not write it off as one bad episode, and I just don’t find it amusing. At all. If you do, then bully for you. Personally I go for the south park, and you may not like that. Diff’rent strokes and all…..
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I fucking adore South Park.
That show cracks me the hell up all the time.
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Yes
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
Not once?
I do not for one second believe that you have never laughed at a Family Guy joke unless you have decided that it is your mission to not laugh as a way of earning some bizarre comedy street cred.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2009 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
No, its pretty much the truth.
But like I said, diff’rent strokes. Although , I may have laughed, just when the original person told the joke, and not when family guy stole it….
I blame it all on my goalie
Well, you don’t split a car in half unless you were going too fast for the conditions even if it wasn’t technically speeding although I am pretty sure that it was speeding.
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by PPP on Jan 9, 2009 2:40 PM MST up reply actions
Goig side on into a brick pillar will have the tendency to destroy a car, and Ferrari’s aren’t exactly the safest car in the world.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
It’s just all the people calling him a murderer and shit like that that pisses me off
Oh I would never do that. That crosses the line between making a joke and being mean. That pisses me off.
There’s a big, big difference between jokes and just being mean spirited.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 8, 2009 8:11 AM MST up reply actions
Sorry
I’ve yelled more than once at games that Danny Heatley is only dangerous behind the wheel. Getting wasted, driving a car, wrecking and your friends dying as a result of your negligent douchery may not constitute “murder” but you lose all immunity from verbal political correctness in my book. Compile that on top of the fact that were he not a professional athlete he would be in jail, I really could give two shits about Danny Heatley.
Dane Cook > Danny Heatley, but just barely.
by JonHaven on Jan 8, 2009 8:26 AM MST up reply actions
See
it’s dickhead people that think like you that piss me off. Do you really think he needs to be continually reminded that he killed his best friend in an accident, no offence but if you ever kill someone in a car ccident tell me so that i can follow you around calling you a murderer.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Also the fact he’s not in jail has more to do with the fact the Snyder family pleaded with the judge not to put him in jail than it does him being a professional athlete.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
If I ever get drunk and kill someone, you can call me whatever you want. P.S. I don’t follow him around, he comes to my town to play hockey and make 6 figures in the process. Boo Hoo.
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by JonHaven on Jan 9, 2009 8:03 AM MST up reply actions
The positive aura of your new image already has me feeling better!
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on Jan 9, 2009 8:04 AM MST up reply actions
For my two cents:
I hate the fact that he is getting to play, because most people would be in jail.
I don’t think he is a murderer, because it was an accident that came from stupidity. If he learned from it and changes his life for the better because of the mistake then great, if not…well I’m just glad I’m not the one who has to judge him. And if he ever does it again….
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
You know
with the news today that Sakic’s back surgery, even if he is back next year it can’t be at $6M (right!?!). It may be with the Avs effort to try and get Spezza who is only slightly overpriced at $7M (cap hit) per season. He’s 25 and a really great player.
That would ensure the Avs that they are set at one of the most important positions for a very long time.
But to be honest I’d rather see them go another way. Hopefully Wolski pans out in the center (so far so good) and get some second and 3rd line scorers, and a few better defenders.
I believe in Peter Budaj
Mike Fisher
Is too good to play on the third line and not good enough for the second line. He does however have a teflon superpower. He can headbutt players, throw knees, elbows, and various other things that would get Darcy Tucker skewered without any fan ever doing anything but mention that he is a born again Christian (although I hear that his last incarnation wasn’t quite the good guy).
Your friendly neighbourhood Ontario-based blogger.
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Also
He’s rumored to be hooking up with Carrie Underwood.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 7, 2009 10:16 PM MST up reply actions
isn’t she like 50, or am i thinking of a different Sex and the City whore, I mean actress.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
LOL
There was a character on the show named Carrie Bradshaw, but the actresses name is Sarah Jessica Parker.
I probably shouldn’t have been the one to answer that question.
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by A.J. Haefele on Jan 8, 2009 12:41 AM MST up reply actions
There still like 50, and I’m taking one of your man cards for that. You’re down to 4. Try and last the rest of the week.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Ummm
No. Country music star:
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 8, 2009 8:13 AM MST up reply actions
I don't think colorado could stand another coach Q, do you?
But it doesn’t look like he’d be coming here, so we’re safe.
I blame it all on my goalie
But this ones intelligent, and we could always call him Coach P.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
I’ve have to see the GMC commercial before I decide.
by JonHaven on Jan 8, 2009 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
No
I demand Mike Fisher, only because the possibility, however slight, of me meeting and eventually hooking up with Carrie Underwood.
Don’t worry the Jibblewife and I have an understanding.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jan 8, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions
I loved Briere when he was with Buffalo and he’s a great player, but he’s not a $6.5M player… cough Ryan hack Smyth cough.
The upside to this is that the Flyers are so strapped for cap space that they aren’t going to be able to try to seduce Peter Forsberg away from me, I mean the Avalanche.
by JonHaven on Jan 8, 2009 8:53 AM MST up reply actions
It’s 26 in Detroit right now, but the high next Wednesday is only 10. Maybe we should talk to the Flyers then?
by Rather Dashing on Jan 8, 2009 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
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