Game 41: Avalanche 2, Blackhawks 1
Raycroft turns aside 43 shots to get the win
Photo courtesy David Zulubowski (Getty)
It took three tries, but the Avs finally managed to beat former coach Joel Quenneville and his pesky Blackhawks club, eeking out their 2nd straight 2-1 win over a Central division opponent.
Once again, ALL of the Avalanche offense came from the first line. Ryan Smyth scored a controversial goal in the first off of his skate (seriously, is there any reason a player shouldn't be allowed to kick the puck in?) and Wojtek Wolski scored a controversial goal in the 3rd (Patrick Sharp was lollygagging and wasn't in the circle when the lineseman dropped the puck, and the 'Stachehawks took a penalty on the ensuing play). And that was it. Because of Andrew Raycroft, it was enough, but the Avs haven't gotten a goal from another line since January 2nd. Someone needs to step up. Quickly.
The main story in the game was indeed Raycroft, who turned aside 43 shots to give the Avs the win (and to improve his own record to 8-1). Raycroft has not always looked strong in victory, but last night he was terrific and has earned an opportunity to continue to start. He is the polar opposite of Peter Budaj - he uses agility and reflexes where Budaj relies on positioning and anticipation. Maybe the Avs simply need more of the former.
I think most readers know that Joe, myself and Mike all favor Budaj over Raycroft. I think many of our readers - especially our core group of commenters - share that sentiment. However, this is not the Peter Budaj Blog; it's an Avalanche blog. I appreciate that it's fun to debate the respective merits of our current and former goaltenders, but I fear that the MHH comment system is developing an "us against them" mentality where only Budaj Backers feel welcome. Just so we're clear: ALL Avalanche fans are welcome to comment here, as are fans of other teams who can keep it respectful. I don't spend a ton of time in the game threads, so maybe I'm missing something here, but looking back at the last couple of them it seemed like there was a lot of negativity aimed at some newer folks. I'm not asking for a chorus of Kumbaya or anything, just a bit more...civility (if that's a word). Okay, soap box rant is over.
The lines were unchanged last night. I think Philippe Dupuis and Chris Stewart have been our two best forwards beyond the Wolski line in the last two games. But Dupuis needs to change his number - the "5" in 59 looks too much like a "3" - so, every time he hits someone I nearly fall out of my chair thinking it's Tyler Arnason.
- The Avs are 7-5 against the Central division this year.
- Wolski, Hejduk and Smyth had 15 shots. The other forwards? 11.
- John-Michael Liles chipped in 6 shots of his own. He was the only defenseman with a shot on net.
The Avs welcome the other, probably unrelated Dupuis into town on Saturday. The Penguins are struggling mightily (1-6 going back to December 27th), which never seems to bode well for Colorado. One bright side: the Avs are 7-0 on Saturday so far this year. Yes, really.
Quenneville was still steamed after the game, after what he thought was a quick drop of the puck by a linesman before the Avs went on the power play in the third. "It was a homer drop," he said. "I haven't seen that in four years. That changed everything right there." - Adrian Dater, Denver Post Obviously the big story of this game is the odd faceoff towards the end of the game. Hawks were in position.. Avs came in slow.. Sharp skates away to talk to Khabby.. Linesmen blows his whistle and drops the puck. I don't even know if Sharp was back in the circle yet. Off the drop the Hawks take a penalty.. Avs score the winner on the power play. womp womp - Chicagokill, Second City Hockey Raycroft’s previous high in saves was 40 set on Nov. 6, 2006 vs. Philadelphia ... Raycroft improved to 8-1-0 on the season, becoming just the second goaltender in franchise history to open a season by winning eight of his first nine decisions - AP Like Jose Theodore before him, Rayzor is now offering testimony for the Church of Hack. Hackett’s constant preaching of the fundamentals, on and off the ice, has gotten Rayzor to start believing in himself again, now that he’s seeing results. One thing Rayzor said was Hackett has gotten him to better his footwork - and it’s clearly better now than it was early in the season. - Adrian Dater, All Things Avs For whatever reason, the team plays better when Raycroft is in net. In his eight starts, the Avs have scored 5 goals three times, four goals once, three goals once, and two goals in the other three games. Six of the games have been one-goal victories for the Avs. - GEO, The Avslova Factor The Hawks had chance after chance to get the puck past Avalanche goalie Andrew Raycroft -- especially in the third period, when they put 19 shots on net -- but Raycroft was up to the challenge, making 43 saves. - Len Ziehm, Chicago Sun-Times "We had a lot of chances," Kane said. "[Raycroft] made some big saves. Toward the end of the game it seemed like we couldn't really hit the net. It's a team we should beat, we know it. It's tough to lose a game like that." - Chris Kuc, Chicago Tribune Coach Tony Granato wouldn't say Raycroft, a former Calder Trophy winner, has supplanted Budaj as his top goalie, even if he has won eight of nine decisions this season and is expected to start again Saturday against Pittsburgh. - Rick Sadowski, Rocky Mountain News Wojtek Wolski has been a friggin' superhero since being moved to center. - Shane Giroux, Colorado Avalanche Talk Wolski does not consider his first three seasons, played almost exclusively at left wing, a waste. But he clearly feels he is at the place where he can best help the Avs win now. - Adrian Dater, Denver Post
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Another Jeff Hackett reclamation project paying dividends.
Once again, the D looks better without Foote in the line-up (a trend that is starting to get more noticeable by the day)
One again, the Avs lack a booming “just put me on net” shot from the point on the powerplay…their PP goals seem to come off a rush.
Wolski looks good…enough said
The Hawks are still a better team than the Avs at this point, I think this year of seasoning, and another good D man, and this team is cup worthy (the Hawks I mean)
Agree with DD, this team needs some secondary scoring, but no one looks like they want to step up.
by chiavsfan on
Jan 9, 2009 7:52 AM MST
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I think that if you choose Tjarnqvist over Foote you are on something. Nothing against Tjarnqvist, but Foote brings so much more. Foote would not have turned over the puck in front of our net like Tjarnqvist did last night, which could have cost us the game. Foote is still very solid and a physical force that the Avs need.
Also, I think that the PP looked better last night. We did have quite a few chances from shots off the point, and as long as it gets on net I am ok with it. There really aren’t very many players who have a booming shot, so I will take a shot on goal any day from the point.
I prefer Budaj, but if Raycroft is winning then we need to ride the streak.
Does anyone else notice that Wolski seems loose and confident now that he is at center? Why did it take so long to ‘try this experiment’? Seems logical to me…
GO AVS!!!
by slapshotr2007 on
Jan 9, 2009 9:26 AM MST
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I didn’t watch the game last night (again), but if Raycroft keeps winning, let him play. Maybe he is only getting lucky, but the Avs are sure going to need a lot more luck going forward if the playoffs (insert your picture below please, Bob) are ever going to be even a distant possibility.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 7:59 AM MST
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MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on
Jan 13, 2009 4:58 PM MST
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Wolski does not consider his first three seasons, played almost exclusively at left wing, a waste.
That’s funny, cuz I’m pretty sure everybody else is slowing coming over to the other side of that argument. He’s no Lemieux, but if the experiment was supposed to happen if there was no Super Joe this year, why did it take multiple episodes of the Tyler Arnason Traveling Manure Show before The Baron (notice the capitilization) got a shot at playing his natural position? Management and coaching seems to have completely lost all grasp of common sense and foresight.
What, Raycroft won again? Well, eff me…
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
by Mike @ MHH on
Jan 9, 2009 8:31 AM MST
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Actually
I believe Phillipe Dupuis is Pascal Dupuis’ younger brother.
by Selanne on
Jan 9, 2009 8:41 AM MST
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Really?
Several of us tried to research the issue a couple of weeks ago when Phillippe first came up to play with the Avs (http://www.milehighhockey.com/2008/12/12/690463/phillippe-dupuis-recalled) and we didn’t find conclusive evidence. I guess if they are related, the announcers will definitely talk about it during the game or the reporters will mention it in the game previews. Did you read/hear something? C6hor8 jokingly said a “flawless” rule in this situation is that if 2 hockey players have the same last name, they are brothers (“just like Claude and Mario”).
by Pookie on
Jan 9, 2009 10:26 AM MST
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Well
I’ve heard the announcers say he was the younger bro in a couple non-consecutive occasions.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on
Jan 9, 2009 10:48 AM MST
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Weird
I swear I heard the announcers say they are NOT related. Sounds like we have a mystery on our hands!
by InYoFace on
Jan 9, 2009 11:08 AM MST
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and I haven’t heard them mention it at all. I guess I’m just catching the wrong Altitude games.
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on
Jan 9, 2009 12:09 PM MST
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Jeff Hackett
Can we borrow the miracle worker?
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by PPP on
Jan 9, 2009 9:09 AM MST
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He’s OURS! Only kidding, but it’s about the only decent trainer on the entire staff.
I can’t believe everyone first everyone pulls their groin last season (Ovie doesn’t have that, maybe because he has a better way with the ladies) and now they don’t even give seminars on how to properly handle leaf blowers!
Only one real solution to this problem:

26 Card Jet
by Tommelot on
Jan 9, 2009 11:48 AM MST
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Obviously
The goalie in that comic was Theo.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on
Jan 9, 2009 12:19 PM MST
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No because Theo would have himself slipped on the ice and take Sakic down with him. Both would then be in the hospital with various broken bones.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on
Jan 9, 2009 1:42 PM MST
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I haven’t seen much of Rayzor play, but all I keep seeing over and over in my head is the puck deflecting off the side of his glove. Once this resulting in a goal and another time the puck hit the post. This may be unfair to Rayzor, but I can’t help it.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on
Jan 9, 2009 9:29 AM MST
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yeah, he wasn’t spectacular or anything. just solid. the real story should be the Avs’ better D.
by thedoctor on
Jan 9, 2009 9:56 AM MST
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What are the chances of the D playing that way all the time?
by hockeymom on
Jan 9, 2009 10:02 AM MST
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The same as my chances with Scarlett Johansson, slim and none.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
by Mike @ MHH on
Jan 9, 2009 11:39 AM MST
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Avs Penalties
or lack thereof in this game sure didn’t hurt. The only Avs penalty last night was a 2 minute hooking on Leopold. Compare that to the 8 penalties in the Wild game and the the 7 in the Blue Jackets game. Tucker must have taken his medication last night.
Yeah, and having a little luck on our side sure doesn’t hurt either. Run with it when a player has it I suppose.
Oh, and watching Quenneville’s head explode at the end of the game was the highlight of my day. I’ll bet he grounded Sharp from his Play Station for a week, and there is a hit out on that linesmen who dropped the puck.
by hockeymom on
Jan 9, 2009 9:49 AM MST
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Does anybody know
What Granato was so pissed about? There were at least 3 shots of him on the bench during the third period of him looking like he was about to blow a gasket. Especally during the last minute of the game, he was yelling something at the players and then started to shake his head.
by InYoFace on
Jan 9, 2009 10:20 AM MST
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However, this is not the Peter Budaj Blog; it’s an Avalanche blog.
Yeah I called dibbs on this!
But seriously I’m glad you said something DD. I was honestly a little disappointed with some of the …ummm…debate last night that took place after reading through.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on
Jan 9, 2009 10:25 AM MST
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Yeah
That’s why I stayed out of the troll talk. You can label someone a troll a little too early when a comment may be an unintentional “trollish” comment.
by InYoFace on
Jan 9, 2009 11:48 AM MST
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You can label someone a troll a little too early
Troll, maybe. Fanboi? NEVER
26 Card Jet
by Tommelot on
Jan 9, 2009 11:50 AM MST
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I'll assume
this is pointed in my direction, so I’ll just use this as my platform of explaining why I jumped all over that train.
The comments came were formed exactly the way you would want them to be in order to procure a hell of a response, and honestly, I’m so sick of this Raycroft-Budaj debate that I don’t care who plays anymore. I just want to watch my Avalanche play, and for the most part, everyone was fine with Raycroft playing last night. When certain comments came flying in, they were completely out of sync with an otherwise really enjoyable thread and one comment might be an accident, but a few in a row is someone out to get something.
The end result? The trolling eventually stopped, and the dude I was mostly annoyed by started contributing actual insight. I honestly just think everyone here is really, really tired of this debate and when “new” people come in and try to stir the pot, it’s like being forced to hop back on the merry go round that we can’t seem to leave behind.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on
Jan 9, 2009 1:48 PM MST
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Sorry dude
My comment wasn’t meant to be pointed at somebody. Just a broad statement. My bad.
by InYoFace on
Jan 9, 2009 1:55 PM MST
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No no no
I don’t take any offense or anything. I was going to say what I said anyway, you just gave me a convenient place to do it =p
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on
Jan 9, 2009 2:01 PM MST
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Good to be on a team again.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on
Jan 9, 2009 2:08 PM MST
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Well for the record
I was disappointed with both sides of the debate. I thought the Raycroft fans who posted, and they know who they are, could have stated the case in a way that wasn’t quite so antagonistic, but I thought the response to those comments could have been better as well.
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on
Jan 9, 2009 2:19 PM MST
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It Could Be Worse
We could have a goalie tandem of Toskala and Cujo.
Red Wings Suck
by texacogirl on
Jan 9, 2009 2:21 PM MST
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SCORCH!
I need a drink to put out these flames.
/weeps while looking at Raycroft’s stats.
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by PPP on
Jan 9, 2009 2:56 PM MST
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Is Loser Domi one of your aliases? Some of that stuff on barrymelroserocks.com is freakin’ hilarious.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 3:04 PM MST
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Regardless
last night was it for me. I’m completely done commenting on the debate that won’t die. Any future happenings of people just dropping in with insightful nuggets like “it’s only 4-1 right now if budaj started but you guys are right hes super good” will just pass with me shaking my head. Combining what was said with when it happened (before the 3rd started while we were talking about the Nashville comeback win), I honestly don’t see how it comes across as anything but trollish.
Nonetheless, I’m finished.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on
Jan 9, 2009 2:29 PM MST
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so yeah ...
i just want say sorry if i really pissed anybody off last night. and honestly i hadn’t even heard of this website until about a week ago, but a guy i play with told me about it so checked it out. I read three games worth of raycroft and arnason bashing, and i think it’s unfair. so i signed up and threw out some smart-ass comments, that were designed to stir things up. and they were more antagonistic than necessary. and that crap is annoying. but really that’s not my style, so don’t expect much more of it. besides i really didn’t do that good a job. i do intend to contribute some in the future. but it’ll be more along the line of how much i hate the red wings. and that’s something we can all agree on. so yeah thanks for putting up with it.
by foppa17 on
Jan 9, 2009 8:39 PM MST
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You can make fun of whoever you want, so long as we agree that if there were one king of the world, it is Peter Forsberg.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 9:49 PM MST
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Arny and Raycroft...
They both only half deserve it. Arnason sucks, and he doesn’t even hide the fact that he knows it and doesn’t care, which is what fires everyone up. Sans Arnason, this team really isn’t any better.
Raycroft gets especially bad criticism from the Budaj people, who in all honesty, most know at least a decent amount of hockey… enough at least to understand that the Avalanche’s problems do not begin or end with Budaj… but so many people bad mouth Budaj for stuipd, stupid reasons (so bad I have to type stupid twice) that its only fair that they return the favor to Raycroft. Neither goalie will ever be in the hall of fame, but both are capable of backstopping a 5th – 8th seed playoff team.
I will take any goalie that keeps the Avs good enough to get Forsberg back. Right now, Raycroft just isn’t losing, so I say keep giving him starts until he does. This Avalanche team really has nothing to lose anyway.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 9:55 PM MST
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i agree jon
the budaj bashing makes me want to jump to his defense and that means taking down raycroft a bit. in the least it means trying to expose the idiocy of some of the pro-raycroft comments over the past few months. it’s nothing personal against him, clearly.
my biggest issue with rayzor, tho, is that i am always on edge watching him play. he has great reflexes and makes some impressive saves but his positioning is way way off so much of the time. he is getting better, and i suspect i wouldn’t have been so nervous watching him in this game (which i didnt get to do cuz my damn directv DVR effed up AGAIN and didn’t record like it was supposed to…grrrrr).
with boods, i just feel more confident that he’s going to be in the right place at the right time. he has his weaknesses, too, obviously, and i always think you should ride who’s hot but “hot” should not necessarily be defined by wins vs. losses alone. i also have confidence in hackett that, if anyone can get rayzor to position himself better, it’s him. reflexes and quickness, things that budaj seems to struggle with at times, is not really something that can be taught. but what do i know…i’m from cali. lol.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on
Jan 9, 2009 10:33 PM MST
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“the budaj bashing makes me want to jump to his defense and that means taking down raycroft a bit.”
this is what i don’t get. same team people
by foppa17 on
Jan 9, 2009 10:37 PM MST
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1. by “taking him down a bit” i mean pointing out his weaknesses to people who think he’s the next coming of roy. i don’t mean by bashing him. i’ve never done that. i refuse to disregard truth just to make my argument look stronger, so i’ve given him credit when it was due as well.
2. please tell the people that have ripped budaj to shreds, never giving him his credit when it was due, that it’s the same team.
When hell freezes over, I'll play hockey there too!
by BeachNSnowGirl on
Jan 9, 2009 10:53 PM MST
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I’m all for that, the 08’-09’ is vastly improved over previous models.
by foppa17 on
Jan 9, 2009 11:00 PM MST
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now i didn’t say Arnason doesn’t suck, you just can’t expect him to be the first line center and i don’t think raycroft is all that great. i just think he’s the better option. budaj had been much better than last season (he was straight embarrassing at times) I’ll give him that. i just don’t think he’s consistent enough to start. solid back up though.
by foppa17 on
Jan 9, 2009 10:33 PM MST
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You better watch out
The savage is going to disagree with you……
I blame it all on my goalie
by TheRed on
Jan 9, 2009 11:52 PM MST
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I'm tired
So I’m gonna let it slide, plus I’ve been involved in a few arguments that have a me against the world feeling to them so I’m gonna try and stop for a while.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on
Jan 10, 2009 12:39 AM MST
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We're straight.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on
Jan 9, 2009 11:54 PM MST
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The Real Test
will be if anybody starts pointing fingers and rolling-out the “I toldya so’s” if Rayzor struggles on Saturday against a talented, hungry team in the Pens. I’d like to say that the average MHH member who happens to fall on the Budaj side of this debate will be civil, but regardless I’ll be watching the thread with interest and the delete button handy. Everybody just needs to remember that it is a debate; you won’t go to hell for rooting for Raycroft and none of the other side is offering to give back Raycroft’s wins, so let’s all calm down.
I think it goes without saying that there has been a little animosity in the last few game threads. I don’t mid the debate, as long as it’s civil and doesn’t descend into petty BS. That’s what my posts are for, not the GDTs.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
by Mike @ MHH on
Jan 9, 2009 2:48 PM MST
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The Penguins have won like 1 game out of their last 11 or something like that. That was their last game against the lowly Thrashers, so yeah, they’re hungry, but also pretty beatable right now. They are really struggling in the heart department, so I think if the Avs can keep them off the scoreboard early and prevent them from getting any momentum, they’ll win (assuming they actually score a goal or two).
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 2:58 PM MST
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Yes but the game starts during the Avs nap time. The Pens may be beatable but the Avs will be sleeping.
Red Wings Suck
by texacogirl on
Jan 9, 2009 3:01 PM MST
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I heard they are suffering from “Too many big egos and not playing as a team” problem. That’s why it would be nice to go back to the Avalanche vs. The Other Team, not each other.
by hockeymom on
Jan 9, 2009 3:03 PM MST
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I can’t speak to the egos and, though I think he’s a terribly big baby, I don’t think Crosby has one. Malkin barely speaks the language still, so I’m not sure there’s any truth to that or not.
This team has had work ethic issues since the Lemieux days. It’s what got Eddie O fired a couple seasons ago and it looks like it’s gonna cost Therrian his job if they don’t turn it around soon. It’s kinda sad, really.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 4:36 PM MST
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I can see how other Pens players could get annoyed at Crosby, just because of his media profile. obviously it shouldn’t happen in a team and Crosby seems like a great guy outside of hockey but the media acts like he’s the only one that makes a diference on the team and that could cause some tension on a losing team.
The Savage - Game Thread Leader and King Of The World
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on
Jan 10, 2009 12:42 AM MST
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Or remember
That if both play well, we all win because the Avs win.
(FYI both are playing well right now)
I believe in Peter Budaj
by Jibblescribbits on
Jan 9, 2009 3:01 PM MST
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The Pen are playing TERRIBLE right now. Lost 6 of 7, gave up a 3-0 lead to lose 5-3 to a team that hasn’t scored 5 goals in a game since Forsberg went back to Sweeden.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 4:34 PM MST
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Not to be confused with
Rooting for any Red Wing. That may actually send you to hell.
by InYoFace on
Jan 9, 2009 3:26 PM MST
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I think that’s the sole purpose hell was built. Red Wing douches.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 4:37 PM MST
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I thought hell was built so Detroit residents could spend their afterlife in familiar environs?
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
by Mike @ MHH on
Jan 9, 2009 5:19 PM MST
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Vladimir Konstantinov told me once that hell was built so he could have a comfortable place to relax in eternity with his inlaws, so you’ll have to take it up with him.
It's so hot. Milk was a bad choice.
by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 9:58 PM MST
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i think detroit is hell and wings fans are minions of the devil, sent to every nhl city to do the devils work. why do you think they wear red
by foppa17 on
Jan 9, 2009 10:25 PM MST
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Soap Box Allowed (This once)
I have to say I wish they would play a goalie until he loses. I like the goalie competition. It makes them play harder.
In my fantasy world I would have the goalie stay in net as long as he is winning. If you lose you are out and the other guy is in. We are blessed to have 2 solid goalies. I have seen Budaj play well when we REALLY needed him to win the game. He is not doing as well as I would hope. I think it is time for some “healthy” goalie competition!
Go Budaj!
by trewaters on
Jan 9, 2009 5:52 PM MST
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I should have previewed that before I sent it. I wanted to say also that Raycroft looked better last night. Sometimes it looks like he is All luck. Last night looked like a good mix of luck and skill. Best game of the season so far!
Go Budaj!
by trewaters on
Jan 9, 2009 5:55 PM MST
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I pretty much agree. I think Budaj has been positionally and fundamentally better, but Raycroft is somehow getting the lucky bounces and seemingly better support from the rest of the team and doing the only thing that matters- WINNING. So, let him play a few more games, we’ve got nothing to lose. What’s gonna happen? We’ll fall out of 10th place?
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by JonHaven on
Jan 9, 2009 10:00 PM MST
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I think you have to be careful with the play till you lose method. It might work for some goalies and with others it can hurt. That method was used by Q two season ago when he was rotating Kolesnik in as well and I think it really did a number on our goalies. Some times a goalie plays really well but may lose a 0-1 or even a 1-1SO game. not really fair to bench him for the next game just because of a loss.
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by Americanario on
Jan 10, 2009 1:39 AM MST
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I have to say I wish they would play a goalie until he loses. I like the goalie competition. It makes them play harder.
I disagree, but only because I’m a very strong believer in: Wins and Losses don’t accurately reflect how well a goalie is playing. You play which goalie is playing strong. If both are playing strong, you play them both. Yes winning is a part of it, but there are 19 guys getting ice time one between the pipes 3 coaches behind the bench, plus 20 players and three coaches o the other side of the ice. Not to mention other factors (travel issues, distracting family issues, etc) that Wins and Losses, as a goalie stat are just an awful awful metric for measuring goaltender performance. It’s worse than Wins in baseball as a statistic.
If both goalies are playing well, as I think is the case now, you can set a rotation and stick with it allowing for some flexibility. But if a goalie has a strong game and loses I don’t think you automatically go to the other goalie. If Raycroft lost against the Blackhawks I wouldn’t have called for his benching because he lost. Budaj lost against Minnesota and I thought he played well.
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by Jibblescribbits on
Jan 10, 2009 10:12 AM MST
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