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Game 9 Preview: Avalanche at Wild

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Colorado Avalanche
6:00 MT / 9:00 ET
Minnesota Wild
6-1-1 October 21, 2009 1-6-0
13 pts
Xcel Energy Center
 2 pts
1st in West
St Paul, MN
15th in West

 

The Avs lengthy road trip ends tonight as the 1st-place Avalanche take on the last-place Minnesota Wild in Minnesota. The Avs are 4-1-1 on the trip so far and a win against the Wild would be a great way to cap it off. It won't be a cake walk, however. The Wild have been terrible so far, but they've only played 1 home game to date. Don't be surprised if the Wild are invigorated by a return home.

Yesterday, the Wild finally ended that stupid rotating captain thing and named Mikko Koivu as the team's captain. They'll still rotate the alternate captains, but I don't have a problem with that. If you clicked that link, you saw Koivu holding the Wild's new 3rd jersey, which they will be debuting tonight.

The Wild are a bit banged up at the moment. Martin Havlat has a sore groin, but hopes to play (he practiced yesterday and will see how he feels after this morning's skate). Kyle Brodziak did not practice yesterday ("upper body") but should play.  Petr Sykora, Cal Clutterbuck and Pierre-Marc Bouchard are all on the IR. Sykora is skating but not practicing and is not expected to play.  It also looks like new arrival Chuck Kobasew - who had his only point of the year against the Avs - will make his Wild debut tonight.

The Avalanche sent down Chris Stewart yesterday so the only potential lineup change would be the inclusion of recent healthy scratch T.J. Hensick. With the presence of heavyweight Derek Boogaard (and possibly John Scott), though, I suspect David Koci will play and Hensick will remain in the press box.

According to the Post's Mike Chambers, Wojtek Wolski has been skating on the 3rd line with Ryan O'Reilly and Cody McLeod. It doesn't mention who is on the right side on that line, or who has replaced Wolski as the left wing on the 1st line so I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens tonight. Craig Anderson will get his 9th consecutive start for the Avs. Nik Backstrom is the presumed starter for the Wild.

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Today in Colorado Avalanche History: October 21st, 2006 - A day after changing his jersey number to #26 (which John-Michael Liles gave up to take #4), Paul Stastny scores his first NHL goal against Montreal. Milan Hejduk assisted on the goal. It gave the Avs a 3-0 lead in the game...but it wasn't enough. Montreal scored 5 3rd period goals and ended up winning 8-5. The winning goalie? David Aebischer.

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Minnesota's third

I think it looks pretty good, but Koivu definitely doesn’t look convinced.

by Rather Dashing on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 AM MDT reply actions  

I think it looks like a green pack of Topps trading cards from the 1980s. If that makes any sense.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Makes

Complete sense to me

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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

Way better

than their reg jerseys.
Yeah, I like that a lot.

by From the Point on Oct 21, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

6 pts?

Should Minny only have 2 pts?

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by smoky201 on Oct 21, 2009 9:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Fixed.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I always forget to update something when I copy that table

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

damn it

i sense we’ll be seeing more tucker on the top line.

by thedoctor on Oct 21, 2009 9:15 AM MDT reply actions  

My reaction to that last year: &^%@# This. (^#@ Tucker.

My reaction to that THIS year: Uh. Could be interesting.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

My vote is Jones on the top line.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Possibly even

Svats machine

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by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think Jones will stay on the 2nd because it looks like he is developing some chemistry with Duchene

by chiavsfan on Oct 21, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, kind of, and Jibbled.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thirds

Any news on ours? Since the leak I haven’t really heard anything else. I know the doc said we should hear in about a month, but where did you hear that?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 9:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Ad reported a week or so ago that the 3rd will debut during a game in mid-November

by chiavsfan on Oct 21, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sweet, thanks.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jumping ahead a little

anyone else hoping to see Budaj on Friday night so we’ll have a fresh Mr. Anderson for the wheel on Saturday?

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2009 9:33 AM MDT reply actions  

Kinda

But I’d rather see Budaj Tues against Edmonton, and have Anderson fresh for the Calgary douche-canoes.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Why do I feel like unless Anderson is showing signs of slowing down or having an off night, Sacco will keep riding him? Ride the hot goalie and bank as many points as you can?

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by hockeymom on Oct 21, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m with you.

Sacco: “How you feeling today Mr. Anderson?”
Andy: “Fine.”
Sacco: “Still good to play?”
Andy: “Yep.”
Sacco: “OK, you’re in.”

Not much strategy necessary until Anderson starts making big mistakes. A close loss does not count.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Except most hockey players could have gone blind in one eye, have the gout and vertigo and would answer that the same way.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

That’s how it goddamn should be.

Taking a day off for minor irritations is for baseball players (and I love baseball).

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't disagree

but the coach and training staff should be aware of it, and adjust accordingly.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Avs training staff

catching stuff like blindness, gout, vertigo, stoppage of the heart . . . now your stretching it Jibbles.

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by hockeymom on Oct 21, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course. But sometimes you just never know. I have a feeling Anderson will play until he has a bad game. We’ll all say to ourselves “Sacco should have seen that coming,” but know that he probably couldn’t have.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

EDM next week

I think, no matter what happens, he’ll sit against Edmonton or Calgary next week. He’ll be coming off of back-to-backs with CAR and DET and EDM and CGY is a back-to-back back-to-back.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

fwiw, I’m with Bob. I think we’ll see Budaj on Friday, Anderson on Saturday

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

NOOOOO

don’t say that. Cause I’m going to the game on Friday… then again, I’m going on Saturday, too.

I scored club seats for Friday’s game.

by toothandnailer777 on Oct 21, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

What do you mean, NOOOOOO? Do we really have to endure constant Budaj bashing this season? Again?

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm saying no because...

I want to watch Anderson while I am actually AT the game. I’ll be fine with him in net as a backup for a few games here and there. But I want to see Anderson LIVE.

I paid too much money just to watch us lose (haha Jk)

by toothandnailer777 on Oct 21, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

OK. If you have tickets to both games I’m sure you’ll see him at least once. Don’t jinx him.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not that I want to lead a hate wagon, but what has he done to NOT deserve constant bashing this season?

He hasn’t had a chance to play, but honestly, I don’t really want to see him play. If he has a good game, then do we have a controversy all of a sudden? We don’t need that.

It’s time that this club give up on the guy and the fact that we re-signed him just makes no sense to me.

sigh…

by canned on Oct 21, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not that I want to lead a hate wagon, but what has he done to NOT deserve constant bashing this season?

FAIL.

He hasn’t had a chance to play, but honestly, I don’t really want to see him play. If he has a good game, then do we have a controversy all of a sudden? We don’t need that.

You’re just full of FAIL today.

What do you propose? Anderson plays all 82 games of the season. Name a goaltender that’s done that and maybe you’ll have an argument.

Take your hate wagon on down the road.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

I surely don’t propose that we play Anderson all 82 games. I know Budaj will get starts this season. That much is obvious.

My point is that I don’t understand your reaction to someone implying disappointment in him getting a start…

by canned on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you don’t propose that Anderson play 82 games, then Budaj HAS to get a start. At least one. Why on earth would you be disappointed in something that HAS to be done?

And besides, if you think Budaj is a terrible goalie, you haven’t been paying attention for three seasons. And yes, I’m including last year, too.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least one. Why on earth would you be disappointed in something that HAS to be done?

How does this make any sense? I have to pay taxes. But I’m bloody disappointed every time I do.

I do not think Budaj is a terrible goalie. Nor have I made such a claim. I don’t have faith in him as a starter, but we all know he’s not the starter and blah blah blah.

bah. forget it.

by canned on Oct 21, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

If you get upset (or “disappointed” or whatever) every time you have to pay taxes, you’re destined to a life of misery.

Some things you just accept and get over. Like Budaj being the backup goaltender for the Colorado Avalanche. It’s really not that bad.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know of any Budaj fans here that think he has a chance of taking over Anderson’s job…he’s the back up no matter how well he plays.

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by Americanario on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Right. I guess I’m still jaded by the way of the Q.

by canned on Oct 21, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

What has he done to deserve the bashing he gets. He wasn’t last year, but the bashing he takes makes it sound like the entire season was his fault last season.

It wasn’t. He didn’t play well, but at the very very most he (and Raycroft) deserve 25% of the blame, since Coaching, Offense, Defense AND goaltending were all bad last year.

You know what he played like… an average NHL backup goalie who was put in the position of starter. He played the way you would expect a backup play if he had to handle starting duties for an entire season. Good at times, but not consistent enough to be considered a starter.
In fact Goaltending probably wasn’t even our biggest weakness last season.. goal scoring was, and so was offense.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Jibbles has it right. I make fun of Boods but I like him and at the same time realize that he is a solid backup. The situ he was in last year was bad. He should be fine this year.

by From the Point on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree. Budaj isn’t to blame for last season. And really, like you say, he shouldn’t have been put in the position to be a starter. Though, he had showed promise that he could fill that role in the past. So maybe you can’t blame management for trying?

The part I don’t understand is re-signing him in the off season. Anderson was a gamble… He seems to be paying out big, which is fantastic. But he was a gamble. So it seems to me like management should have done better than just re-signing Budaj. But what the heck do I know. At the time we signed Budaj, I expected the likes of Biron to go for a lot more money.

I don’t dislike the guy, don’t get me wrong. Just feel like he’d have benefited from a change of scenery.

by canned on Oct 21, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who would you have signed other than Budaj as a backup? Clemmenson? Raycroft? I guess you could have called Weiman up, but that certainly seems like more of a gamble. Budaj was the conservative move, You know exactly what you’re getting with him,

If Anderson didn’t work out, we’re boned anyways, so you platoon Anderson and Budaj for a season get another good draft pick and try soemone else in the next offseason, and you’ve got Anderson as a backup next year. If Anderson works out, great now you have a decent backup (at a price that really isn’t that much) and a solid starter.

Ples the Avs have invested a lot of money into Budaj already, with development and everything. It seems silly to throw it all away based on one season when Everyone in the organization was pretty awful.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

The re-signing of Budaj

was possibly an acknowledgement by the front desk that last season was not entirely his fault and not completely on his shoulders. They know what they have with him: a solid back-up who is in great condition and rarely is injured, who works hard, loves the franchise, and has a positive attitude. Sounds like a good player to have around.

I hope he has a chance to play and does well, not because I think he is an Avs career players, but because I would like him to succeed in the NHL. I would like him to be given a chance to show he is better than what we saw last year. I actually like the person Peter Budaj.

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by hockeymom on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m excited to see how good Niklas Backspasm is without a solid defense in front of him for once.

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by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 9:34 AM MDT reply actions  

Remember all that debating last year about whether Backstrom’s numbers were inflated due to being behind the Wild’s defensive system. I think we have our answer now, don’t we.

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by hockeymom on Oct 21, 2009 9:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

See the five games he’s played. Quick answer: not very.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

I actually believe

Harding the better goalie in Minnesota.

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by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 10:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly, having seen how that team has played so far, I really don’t think either goalie would have a chance, regardless of how good they are on their own. Maybe things will turn around, but the system in Minnesota is seriously broken from the top down.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I see a lot of similarities between the ‘08-09 Avs and ’09-’10 Wild.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly

and that was the debate: would Backstrom’s numbers be the same if he were behind the Avs defensive “system” of last year. The answer: no, lower.

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by hockeymom on Oct 21, 2009 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Minnesota has already won

In the fashion show. The Unipron is going to look even more ridiculous next to those gorgeous third sweater’s they are wearing.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 9:43 AM MDT reply actions  

I love the Wild 3rds…very college-esque

by chiavsfan on Oct 21, 2009 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

and it fits well with how Minnesota is big into HS and College hockey. It feels like a nod to the local tradition.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

I really like the way the i is dotted with the star and then extends to cross the T
also more Minnesota and less Wild

by From the Point on Oct 21, 2009 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good ole Theodore

really gave it up like prom night in that game against the Habs…wow…
not missing him…

by From the Point on Oct 21, 2009 9:48 AM MDT reply actions  

October 21, 2006

Ooof. As great as it was to see the SoS get his first career goal, don’t remind me of that night. To be in Montreal and watch that lead evaporate right in front of us was just painful. And every Habs fan decided that had the right to chirp me for wearing an Avs jersey; jerks.

by UnFinished Business on Oct 21, 2009 9:59 AM MDT reply actions  

OT

But has anybody followed the “Faceoff Fanatics” ad? I did this morning,‘cause they have a really cool looking hoodie I might try to talk Mike into. But I was very disappointed in their “ladies” selections. Have I said before how much I hate the fact that they’ll turn something pink or put glitter on it and call it “ladies”? Didn’t think so…

by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 10:03 AM MDT reply actions  

I’m just glad the ads are now running team clothing for teams that have something to do with the blog. Today I’ve seen both Avalanche and Minnesota gear, as it should be.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but I saw one for the Douche-Wings on Saturday. That was bad enough

by chiavsfan on Oct 21, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

I had seen the avs stuff, but I hadn’t noticed that they were specific to the games of the day. That’s pretty cool!

by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Anderson is now on the front page of the Avalanche website's circulating images

Is this new? I haven’t seen it before but it makes me happy.

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by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 10:21 AM MDT reply actions  

Maybe they can make some new “wallpapers” soon

by chiavsfan on Oct 21, 2009 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, there’s a bunch of new ones. they must rotate. I swear I saw Wolski the other day

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too

But that one’s been benched.

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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Too easy.

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by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

It was only playing 800×600 pixels of the screen?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

nicely done as well

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Game Notes

I’ve updated the thread to include the game notes http://avalanche.nhl.com/v2/ext/PDF/GameNotes/GameNotes102109MIN.pdf

you think we should read into the absence of Tom Preissing on the roster / IR list? He’s mentioned elsewhere as being injured, but he’s not shown on the roster or the IR. And that’s not new – same deal for BOS and MTL. If the Avs didn’t mostly ignore me, this would be the kind of minor procedural question I’d love to ask someone about.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 10:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Saw Preissing

skating Monday under the watchful eye of that trainer guy…name escaping…
He was skating pretty hard. But Dater says he is still weeks away.

by From the Point on Oct 21, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

what role will he have when he’s healthy? 5th, 6th, 7th, Minors (that would be an expensive meatball to swallow for the organ-i-zation).

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 21, 2009 2:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure that any of us know for sure,

Quincey was initially billed as a guy with some upside, but a disturbing injury history and a general salary dump from the Kings to the Avs. I’d say that he’s proven to be quite a bit more.

Preissing got similar, if not more negative billing. If we get similar upside on him, he could easily be a 2nd pairing guy. He did rock the world for the Sens a few years back.

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by Hopfenkopf on Oct 21, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Quincey wasn’t the salary dump, Preissing was the salary dump. And Smyth going back the other way. Quincey was the ‘get’ for Smyth.

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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

and it’s only been 8 games, the “disturbing injury history” is yet to be disproven

by jd21 on Oct 21, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

2nd period

right now, Avs have 14 2nd period goals and 13 in 1st, 3rd and OT

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 10:41 AM MDT reply actions  

“We’re only going to be on this side of the ice once tonight, boys, so make it good!”

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

that could be bothersome...

but seeing them pull out 3 in the 3rd vs DET makes me feel if need be they can push for it

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

true, there could be a few games this year where we need to ‘dig deep’ and ‘give it 110%’ for the W

cliche fest anyone?

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by horbayj on Oct 21, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Uh, play a 60 minute game?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

That would be awesome if it were humanly possible, but I doubt anybody could play all 82 games of the season like a championship was on the line every night without having a heart attack at some point.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just another note

Colorado, which was 14-24-3 on the road last year, is off to its best start since going 6-0-2 to open 2000-01 — the season of its last Stanley Cup championship

you know…just sayin….

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by horbayj on Oct 21, 2009 11:55 AM MDT reply actions  

How is that not a jinx?

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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Write it down. If the Avs don’t get the Cup this year, it is entirely the fault of horbayj.

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by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Got it boss.

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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

HORBAYJ!!!!! (yelling in a Seinfeld character voice, shaking my fists, while the camera is spinning up and away) Anyone? Anyone?

by Rather Dashing on Oct 21, 2009 4:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

or we blame the guy at espn who wrote those words?

i think that sounds alot better, i’d hate to see the pitchforks at my front door

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by horbayj on Oct 21, 2009 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I know it is way early

But seeing those point totals at the top of this post sure makes me smile. Especially considering the gloom and doom that could have been anticipated with this road trip.

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2009 11:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Seriously, even if the Avs drop their next three games (just as an example), they’re still not too bad off. This strong start is really going to pay off in the long run.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

2 points in october is the same as 2 points in january…

get as much points as you can now before teams think we’re just getting lucky

Make Me A Milkshake, Malkin! - Mike Lange

by horbayj on Oct 21, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope teams keep thinking we’re just getting lucky.

They won’t come into the game prepared in that case.

by canned on Oct 21, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

That only lasts so long. Even commentators on NHL are talking about how well the Avs are doing. They won’t be able to fly under the radar for long, especially if Radar keeps playing the way he is.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Oct 21, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the Avs are done surprising other teams already. 6-1-1 is tough not to notice.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, once Allan Muir on SI.com puts you at #2 in his rankings, the gig is up, you’re not suprising anyone after that.

by jd21 on Oct 21, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

ESPN had them ranked 3 and I think the most recent TSN had them in the top 5.

And what are the odds Minnesota is going into tonight’s game expecting to coast along and easily beat the Avs?

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, in fact, the Avs should be damn concerned about the reverse. Tail end of the road trip, all that recent success, recipe for a big letdown.

by jd21 on Oct 21, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

we’ll have to see if the team is now buying their own hype.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 21, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I remember three years ago….our slow start meant we had to get red hot just to miss the playoffs.

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

They were white hot, not red. And they still missed the playoffs.

"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "

by Mike @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Cause our Nov/December records were gawd awful.

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

hahahahaha, the headline really isnt even necessary, just the picture and i would have an idea

Make Me A Milkshake, Malkin! - Mike Lange

by horbayj on Oct 21, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh my God

classic. And the pot shot at Red Wings fans is just icing on the cake.

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

We have friends at the Onion, obviously.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

And I used to hate the Wall Street Journal.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

We have friends at the Wall Street Journal, obviously.

Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?

by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just Remember this....

You can’t earn a playoff spot in October/November…but you damn sure can lose one…we found that out the hard was a few years ago.

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Just to let you guys know....

I’m gonna be late to the game tonight…it’s fair week here…so, I’m stuck out at the fair from 6-8….then gotta drive the station truck out of town…so it’s gonna be about 9:30 – 10 EST before I’m back…

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 12:17 PM MDT reply actions  

a fair in october? sounds a little late

Make Me A Milkshake, Malkin! - Mike Lange

by horbayj on Oct 21, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Closet Pagans posing as Christians in this town...it's high comedy....

…and I’m hated around here for being Pagan…ha!

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

What are the Line projections for tonight?

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions  

the Wolski practicing on the 3rd line thing kind of throws a monkey wrench into everything

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

agreed...

it’s probably more to wake him up a bit though…by the way how do you guys like my signature haha

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec’d

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice

And what do RW fans and Titanic passengers have in common? As soon as the ship starts to go down, they both try as hard as they can to get off

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!

by TheRed on Oct 21, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

If LW is the open spot on 1st line, who moves up?

Jones/Tucker? – Stastny – Hejduk
Jones/Tucker? – Duchene – Svatos
Wolski – O’Reilly – McLeod
Koci – Galiardi – Hendricks

Mr. Anderson - THE ONE

by slapshotr2007 on Oct 21, 2009 1:05 PM MDT reply actions  

I would think it’s

Jonesy/Stats/Duk

Tucks/Dutchy/Svats…

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there’s any chance Galiardi moves up with Svatos dropping to the 4th line.

say…
Galiardi – Stastny – Hejduk
Tucker- Duchene – Jones
Wolski – Radar – McLeod
Koci – Hendricks – Svatos

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

damn TJ on the first line? I like it!

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

This aint the donut line

And don’t call me Arnason

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!

by TheRed on Oct 21, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like this a lot!!!

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not buying it. They’ve got Galiardi in a defensive role so far, and he’s better as a shut down guy on the third line. But hey, you never know.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Duchene is moving up. On the PP he was sitting in front of the net and filling that role. And Forsberg used to play LW.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Oct 21, 2009 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe they want to take him away from C for a bit...

have him shoot a little more get some goals out of him…I was a big Alex Tanguay fan but Alex killed his own potential by over passing and tryin to be to much of a playmaker (even thou he sat @ LW)…so I could see Sacco moving him out of C for a bit and asking him to shoot.

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Wolski wakes his ass up....

that 3rd line is gonna be SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK….

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Oct 21, 2009 1:07 PM MDT reply actions  

Havlat and Brodziak

are both confirmed as playing by Russo

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 1:14 PM MDT reply actions  

Cody McCormick suspended

http://theahl.com/pirates-mccormick-suspended-p138356

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 1:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Am I reading that right? He left the bench to start a fight? What’s the story behind that?

by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, I’d like to hear that story

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

via hockeyfights:

Comments: Other penalties: McCormick received an instigator, a cross-checking, a misconduct, and a game misconduct; Marchand a roughing. Brad Marchand did not receive a fighting major.

maybe he thought he was playing the Blackhawks again?

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Holy crap! That sounds awesome!

by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

from the globe via hockeyfights forum
Marchand arrived at Ristuccia with a huge welt between the eyebrows and a fat lip courtesy of a major dust-up with Pirates thug Cody McCormick.

Marchand uttered something unprintable that infuriated McCormick while he sat on the Pirates bench. McCormick leaped over the boards and cross-checked Marchand from behind. Sobotka entered the fray and crunched McCormick with a sucker shot that precipitated a melee.

"He told me he was going to get me, but I didn’t think he would jump the boards," Marchand said. "He jumped over the boards and blindsided me. He suckered me, Vladie suckered him and then a big brawl broke out."

by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well now I’m turned on.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

“thug”!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

All of a sudden, I miss the guy.

by Rather Dashing on Oct 21, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Uh oh

You’re not going to use this as well to beat Dario over the head, are you?

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does Beachie like

Martin Havlat?

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2009 2:00 PM MDT reply actions  

I sure hope those Colorado Avalanches beat those Minnesota Wilds today!

There is basically a cumulative Niagra Falls of shit happening right now.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 21, 2009 2:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed...when they play the Lightnings?

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn’t after the Blues’s game?

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Get the result for your post here

There is basically a cumulative Niagra Falls of shit happening right now.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 21, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha rec'd

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry. I meant to link to the video, not the comments!

by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still laughed… I just was looking for a reason to post that sound ;)

There is basically a cumulative Niagra Falls of shit happening right now.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 21, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just for the record...

I love how gameday threads are set up right now. It’s really nice to have somewhere to discuss things during the day, and then a clean slate come gametime. Kudos.

by Rather Dashing on Oct 21, 2009 2:54 PM MDT reply actions  

cool. I have to say, I think it’s worked out pretty well

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 3:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ditto.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I missed the last two games—Mexico called and they don’t excatly get hockey down there. Anyone playing poorly/well over the last week that wouldn’t have made the box scores?

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 21, 2009 3:02 PM MDT reply actions  

IMO, I’m not really sure why Wolski is getting all the focus as he’s been a lot better than Tucker and Svatos the last two games

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree with DDC. Maybe he just set the bar too high for himself at the start of the year.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think...

it’s because Wolski is ALOT better than both of them and he has only been a tad better so its more of the fact of expectation… Tucker although hes just been good it is a lot more than expected…and well idk Svats could score 40 goals and i still don’t see NHL level talent all-around…great sniper but may be more of a detriment than a help we shall see.

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 3:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here's food for thought

Duchene is now being paid more than Wolski.

Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?

by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I bet Wolski’s getting more pussy though

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Classy.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe he meant that he just likes cats

by jd21 on Oct 21, 2009 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

and maybehe didnt lol

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

especially with Johnny Hot pocket on the IR

by Ben from Portland on Oct 21, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

but if we’re doing this whole “play to stay” thing under Sacco, Tucker and Svatos have done nothing to keep their spot on the 2nd line based on the last 2 games. Expectations or not, they haven’t played well at all.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Oct 21, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

very true...

it could just be how Sacco thinks things matchup… maybe he likes the way Duchene plays with X and Y and same for line 1…of course i live in NY and am a Yankee fan so ive seen Joe Girardi overthink “Matchups”

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve liked the look of Jones on the wing with Boy Wonder. Did anyone else hear AD rumor about Forsberg returning and playing LW with Dutchie and Svatos?

Gotta say I’m intrigued.

Despite the fact that i like the current youth movement.

I think Forsberg’s constant on again off again playing staus hurt us / team moral during the playoffs.

Just my opinion

by Ben from Portland on Oct 21, 2009 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the only person who takes Forsberg rumors seriously is Dater.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

and Jibble’s BFF Eklund

by Ben from Portland on Oct 21, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

The only ones I pay attention to are the historic ones. They’ve been spot on so far!! :P

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Oct 21, 2009 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's Forsberg

Nothing will ever make me say no to him joining us.

Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?

by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

False

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_national_ice_hockey_team

Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?

by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Trust me, there was a blank stare when I went down to the bar and asked if they had some hockey games on.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 21, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know Jose Canseco played hockey!

by sprdelfin on Oct 21, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still get a little tear in my eye when i see “Kitty” playing well for Minny.

Bruno was slow as dirt but he could still play.

by Ben from Portland on Oct 21, 2009 3:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Yikes did FG handle that situation badly…

Bruno’s contract that is… and lack of contact.

I hope Sherman has learned from FG’s mistakes

by Ben from Portland on Oct 21, 2009 3:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Sherman’s got things under control.

The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.

by Joe Dunman on Oct 21, 2009 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I just had a seizure reading that white text on a black background. Good thing I was wearing my helmet.

There is basically a cumulative Niagra Falls of shit happening right now.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

seriously, I still can’t see straight

by jd21 on Oct 21, 2009 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

ohh man haha

gotta love Thornton’s response lol

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Seriously. That’s about spot on from what I would expect from ANY player they are going against. A big WTF.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Oct 21, 2009 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gotta love it…

There is basically a cumulative Niagra Falls of shit happening right now.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Oct 21, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if that was what prompted the “you effing p***y” remark that was heard on the broadcast of the Wings game.

by CAR on Oct 21, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is that for real?

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Oct 21, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

i am a little skeptical myself…

But I did read about this chick and her scents in the Westword yesterday, and theres enough true stuff in there to make me almost believe. The best lies always come with a grain of truth.

Someone Twitter Dater and ask.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Oct 21, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Someone Twitter Dater and ask.

Just please don’t claim any affiliation with this site.

Thanks.

"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "

by Mike @ MHH on Oct 21, 2009 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Duchene’s catching shit for his white skates I bet smelling like essence of anything isn’t helping his case on the ice.

I thought the reason behind the Face Wash was becasue it was supposed to smell like dung.

by Ben from Portland on Oct 21, 2009 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really?

The scent stuff is real, but as to the rest of the story… c’mon.

Mr. Anderson. Welcome back, we've missed you!

by tele-mon on Oct 21, 2009 4:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Those quotes seem way too long and way too humorously dubious to me.

Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?

by c6hor8 on Oct 21, 2009 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know where I can get a rockie hockey jersey? I ran a search and you can get just about any other vintage team but colorado. I was thinking I’d go old/new school with a #9.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 21, 2009 4:56 PM MDT reply actions  

Devils page doesnt have it?

since they were the Rockies

"What do the Detroit Red Wings and the Titanic have in common?
They both look good until they hit the ice!"

by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 21, 2009 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

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