This Might Not Be A Fluke
Another week, another series of stunning successes for the Colorado Avalanche.
Last Tuesday, the Avs finished a grueling 7-game road trip with a shootout loss to Minnesota, giving them ten points out of a possible fourteen and keeping them just ahead of the rest of the Western Conference in the standings. The Avs returned home on Friday to face the struggling Carolina Hurricanes. The Avs came out looking sluggish as usual and allowed five four goals, but they pulled through with a big win to keep the point accumulation streak alive.
On Saturday, the team had fun dispatching (once again) the worn out, past-their-prime Red Wings. Despite allowing nearly 50 shots by Detroit, the Avalanche pulled through with a strong 3-1 win. Craig Anderson, in his eleventh straight game, stopped 48 shots and convinced the last remaining doubters that he is in fact the real m'f'ing deal.
No doubt about it, the Avs look pretty good in comparison to the craptastic Wings. After the game, Chance Harper of Sportsbook Review offered this accurate and yet also hilarious take on the problems in Detroit:
When the Wings eventually do their housecleaning, the first man to go has to be 36-year-old goalie Chris Osgood, in the midst of his second straight poor regular season with an .890 save percentage. The Wings would like to start handing the torch to understudy Jimmy Howard, but the defense in front of him is so poor that it might be better to let Osgood bear the brunt for now. Detroit has been outscored 30-25 on the season and beaten twice by – you guessed it – Colorado.
The start of the new week sees the 8-1-2 Avalanche in first place in the West, tied in points only with the East-leading, defending Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguins.
So, at what point do we start to wonder if the early dominance of the Avs isn't actually a fluke? The Avs have faced a variety of opponents, from both Conferences, and have beaten them. They lost a tight game in a shootout to a struggling division rival (Minnesota), but you have to imagine that Minnesota's desire to win at home and the Avs' exhaustion from being on the road contributed mightily to that outcome.
The true test will come this week, when the Avs go back on the road to face three tough teams. First is Edmonton tomorrow night. The Oilers are 6-4-1 and are playing pretty well. On Wednesday, the Avs cruise into Calgary to face the hated Flame-Outs and their rough-and-tumble brand of goonery. The Flames are 7-2-1 so far and are in second place behind Colorado in the Northwest. Then on Friday the Avs face the Sharks for a rematch. The Avs beat the Sharks in Denver on opening night of the season, and San Jose will no doubt want to return the favor. On Sunday they finish their trip with a battle against the mediocre Vancouver Canucks.
The Avs have already proven themselves on the road this season, but they'll need more of that team cohesion and good luck they enjoyed the last time around. The opponents this time are much tougher than the soft underbelly of the Eastern Conference the Avs have already dispatched. Beating both Edmonton and Calgary would solidify the Avs' hold on the Northwest and go a long way to ensuring nobody else stands atop the Western Conference. Finishing up with victories over San Jose and the 'Nucks would be icing on the cake.
This week's major storylines:
- Craig Anderson, at some point, will have to rest. Even though it seems he just gets better and better the more consecutive games he plays, a one-game break is probably a good idea. That said, with nothing but strong opponents ahead of them, the Avs may be reluctant to play backup Peter Budaj. Look for him in net either tomorrow against the Oilers or
ThursdayWednesday against the Flames. - Ryan O'Reilly is cruising on a seven-game point-scoring streak. He's still a long way from challenging Paul Stastny's team record of 20, but Radar seems perfectly capable of making a run for it.
- Cody McLeod should return at some point this week as his eye injury heals up. He's been a huge factor this year, both in timely goal-scoring and in breaking opposing teams' composures.
ADDENDUM: File under: LOL WUT. ESPN writer Pierre LeBrun drops the Avs two spots in the Power Rankings this week, to fifth. Seems like a strange spot for a team currently tied for the NHL lead in points. His explanation is appropriately absurd:
Seems harsh for me to drop them two spots since they did nothing to warrant it this week, including a win over the Red Wings. But I just can't shake the feeling that when we look back at the NHL standings in two months, they won't be top five overall in the league. Still, a heck of a start by the kids in Denver.
Why do I even bother reading these things?
ADDENDUM 2: Mirtle's still a skeptic, which is fine, but again with the strange reasoning:
Almost every prediction I saw in preseason had the Avs in dead last in the West, so good on them — and Craig Anderson — for this showing. If they do make the playoffs, that'll be one of the stories of the season, and I expect the Joe Sacco for coach of the year talk to start up shortly.
It's worth keeping in mind, however, that we've seen plenty of teams well in playoff position at midseason fall apart down the stretch, when the pace picks up and younger players have difficulty keeping up (see: 2008-09 Coyotes). Anderson can't play like this all season...
He can't? Why not?
Almost every critical look at the Avs seems to rely on pre-season assumptions. It's legitimate to point out that teams often cool off and drop out of contention, because that happens. It happened to the Avs last year. But to say a goalie, who was very good last year and is even better this year, can't keep up his strong play in the long run just because, well, because he can't, doesn't make much sense to me. But hey, to each their own.
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Budaj, one game at a time
I have faith in Budaj for the occasional game here and there. He has the motivation of either succeeding, or being banished to the AHL, likely for the rest of his career.
He always seemed to do fine when he had to earn a job, but never when he had to keep it. On the other hand, he clearly sees what Mr. Anderson is doing and may already be resigned to the fact that he’s got no shot at being a No. 1 again, in which case, his motivation may be limited.
by Dixomatic on Oct 26, 2009 11:28 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Budaj’s motivation should ever be in doubt, whether he’s fighting for a top spot or just being a dedicated backup. He’s motivated to win, every game he plays. The fact that he wasn’t able to do that very much last season isn’t due to a lack of motivation on his part.
Budaj will be fine as a backup, and I think he’s under no impression that he’ll be anything but that this season. It doesn’t worry me a bit.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We forget that 1/2 the team mailed it in after february last year. Remember in january when they were fighting for that final playoff spot?
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t feel like Raycroft or budaj were 2 of the players mailing it in, FWIW.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Say what you will about Budaj, but his work ethic has never been in question. He wants to stay in the NHL, so I am sure he will be motivated to play well.
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by hockeymom on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually in my head I meant that some of the players in front of him (Budaj) mailed it in, Budaj isn’t that bad, he’s just a backup. Raycroft sucks.
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most Exicted...
I’ve been in a while…we have started some previous seasons with a better team, but this team excites you win or lose (luckily not much of the losing lately). Just the fact no matter what end up happening this season these kids will grow together, and this team should just end up getting better and better with experience. Lets not forget some of the other prospects who will be on the pro team soon like Shattenkirk, Stoa, and Elliott. There is no reason this team cant perform up to the standards of the 95-06 Avalanche teams. Set at center for years to come and young defenders ready to take the helm soon…an acquistion like Kovalchuk may even make this team Championship capable sooner than later…either way I think we are starting to see the light @ the end of the tunnel.
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by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 26, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m really excited about Shattenkirk moving up in the next couple of years. Thanks for reminding me!
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 11:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully we can see him very soon!
3 ast in 3 games w/ BU so far
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by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 26, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I will probably be buying myself a Shattenkirk uniform when he makes the team. I just hope to god the Uniprons are phased out by then.
Also: Shattenkirk was far and away the best passer at Avs dev camp this summer. I can’t wait for him to make the team next season.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Jibble...
i know at the start of the season most of us were expecting all or most of the big contract veterans to be traded at the deadline but with Hannan’s good play do you think we will keep him on the squad…could set up a nice defensive pairing future…with Quincey-Shattenkirk, Hannan-Cumiskey, Liles-Elliot…. Liles on the 3rd pairing and probably 2nd PP line is probably best case scenario… i think that would work very well…and in my opinion only 2 players who must go sometime in the near future are Clark and Svatos…Foote im assuming will retire following this season.
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by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Hannan will stay. I think Salei, and Clark are all but gone at the deadline (especially considering how well Cumiskey and Wilson have played). I think Foote may be back next season, but it won’t be for $3M.
I could see Liles being moved as well, but I think that’s a mistake.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be surprised if Foote doesn’t retire after this season.
And Liles better not go anywhere if Clark and Salei are still on the team.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just waiting
For the paragraph I just wrote to be an (e2)
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll write the same thing below so it can be an (e4)
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
See things are going really well...
I totally forgot about Salei lol…Wilson is fun to watch…i know this has all been speculation but with all the Defensive depth the Avs will have in the future maybe they should really make Cumiskey a wing he can take over for Svatos and then ur 6 D can be Quincey-Hannan-Liles-Wilson-Shattenkirk-Elliott…plus then ur 3rd D pair can become Liles/Wilson…which gives you a D minded D-Man paired with an O minded D-Man on all 3 pairs.
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by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 26, 2009 12:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh
No one will take his salary, so he’s staying.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get it now
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by Savage33 on Oct 26, 2009 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young'ns
It’s amazing to see how the Avs youngsters are rising up to the challenge every game!
by Tommelot on Oct 26, 2009 11:46 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick Correction
Edmonton Tomorrow, Calgary Wednesday
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 11:58 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s what I wrote. Unless I’m missing something somewhere (definitely possible).
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were right up top
But switched it down where you mentioned getting Anderson some rest.
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by frightenedinmate#2 on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fixed!
Thanks kids.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
if im thinking correctly
but power rankings are made for current rankings not two weeks, two months or two years from now, pierre lebrun…sir you are an idiot
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by DESTROYER on Oct 26, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he’s new at Power Rankings and it shows.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that as well. He is going to put rankings out then, so why punish them now?
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by JDunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You, sir, are and idiot.
Fix’d.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Oct 26, 2009 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the avs are better (in my opnion):
I’ve actually been thinking about this.
1. Goaltending, Anderson is making that extra 1-4 saves that Budaj couldn’t and Raycroft wouldn’t.
2. Defense, I think Clark, quit on Granato last year, and he’s playing much better this year, Foote and Hannan look good add in Quincey and his ass kicking, and the net effect is that everyone else (I’m looking at you Salei) has been pushed down the depth chart and are better for it.
3. Quit on Granato, that’s a common theme, Sacco may not just be a place holder for Patty Roy, I don’t think the avs would have started this way under #33. The avs shoot on the PP (for the most part) and they attack the puck on the PK, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an avs coach let his team kill penalties like this, it’s amazing what happens when you have a system.
4.Arnason-gone, Raycroft-gone…addition by subtraction. Even Guite and his stache’ would be in the AHL on this years team
5. Smyth and Lappy, I’m not sold on this, but the team did get a lot better now that they are gone, it’s not like they are the fleetest of foot.
5.Sakic-15 games, Stastny-45 games last year, 48 total points over the whole year. Stastny, O’Reilly, Duchene 11 games each- 33 games and 26 points combined. It’s amazing what happens when you have depth down the middle. I love sakic but he may as well not have been on last year’s team, and I think I might chose to remember him as ending his career leading the team in scoring in the 08’ playoffs.
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 12:05 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Avs “only” allowed 4 goals against the Hurricanes, not 5.
by BrianD on Oct 26, 2009 12:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I’m a damn mess today. Thanks!
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Les Ailes
They’ve blow leads in 5 games that they ended up losing (St. Louis twice, Colorado twice, Phoenix once). Coincidentally, if you take ConkBlock’s save % last season, and project it onto the team this year, they would have given up 5 less goals.
This means that instead of sitting at 3-4-2 they could be 5-2-2 or 5-3-1. This would put them in fine position. Also noteworthy: Les Ailes would have been a 6-seed, AT BEST, without ConkBlock there to bail them out last season.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 12:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Osgood is a Hall of Fame goalie. Your argument is invalid.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
where is Dominic Hasek at anyway?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Europe. Playing for an olympic spot
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by Savage33 on Oct 26, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
the czech’s still wont give up on him eh?
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by horbayj on Oct 26, 2009 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok everyone...
Gotta get to class…economics ugh __ …be back to around 5:30….the joys of being a college student haha
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by SportsDalaiLama on Oct 26, 2009 12:37 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson
FWIW:
Anderson has a career .919 save %. Since joining the Panthers in 06-07 he has played in 64 games and has a sparkling .930 save %.
I see no reason he can’t keep it up honestly.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:02 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see a reason why he can’t, either. That’s why I wish Mirtle had come up with one.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because, in the history of the NHL, only one goaltender has once posted a similar save percentage to Anderson’s current one over a full season.
Dominik Hasek. And he did it once.
Anderson’s good enough to have a great season and be a Vezina nominee. He’s not good enough to play this well all season.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enoigh
but a .930 save % over the season will still be pretty great
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, but even if his numbers return to just very good level instead of superb, the Avs can (and will) keep winning games. He’s not the only reason the Avs are doing well. They’re scoring lots of goals, too.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think anyone expects the Avs to rack up 134 points. But there’s a difference to saying theyll cool off and the wheels will fall off.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. And then criticizing their depth when their scoring is spread very evenly across the lineup.
Los Angeles lacks depth. Their offense is two guys. As long as Kopitar and Smyth keep scoring, they’ll be fine, but the Avs don’t face that kind of risk.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown has actually started scoring for them, so they may be up to 3 guys now.
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by Americanario on Oct 26, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh...
I know Quincey has looked pretty good so far, but wouldn’t it be great if these young kids had Smyth on the team?
by From the Point on Oct 26, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m kinda glad Smyth is tearing it up with Anzie K even though the power forward slot is crucial for us…
Now if we still had Sakic or Forsberg for limited ice time but lotsa mentoring, that’d be fantastic.
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by wflan on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without Quincey (or someone else) shooting from the point, we would jsut be wasting Smyth’s talent like we did previously.
It would be nice though….
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by Americanario on Oct 26, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then what you’re actually saying is that it is unlikely he will, not that he can’t as you’ve no idea what he can or cannot do over an entire season. No one does at this point.
Again (and perhaps I’m reading into your thoughts too much) it seems people (you included) are taking their skepticism of the Avs’ start, compared to where they were ‘supposed’ to be, and projecting it into a foregone conclusion of doom and gloom…which is ridiculous.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t expect Avs fans to endorse what I’ve written, but the fact is Anderson can’t post these numbers all season unless he’s the next Domink Hasek. I feel pretty safe in saying he’s not.
There are other areas on the team that will fall off, too. Being a bubble team is still a heckuva accomplishment for this team. Making the playoffs would be incredible.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t expect Avs fans to endorse what I’ve written, but the fact is Anderson can’t post these numbers all season unless he’s the next Domink Hasek. I feel pretty safe in saying he’s not.
We’d endorse what you’ve written if it had more than “I feel” as the justification for your position—-whether we’re Avalanche fans or not.
Nobody here is arguing that Anderson WILL set new goaltending records this year, or that he WON’T at some point cool off. We don’t know. We hope he’ll be the best goaltender of all time, but we’re not arguing for certain that he will be.
Your position is far more speculative than ours.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I was just about to write…without as much eloquence as you have, though. Thanks, Joe!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s law school for ya. If nothing else, his writing should improve! :-)
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 26, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to say it was bad before? Sad face.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No! I was just about to quantify that after I re-read it. Love ya hon!
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 26, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t my position, by nature, to speculate from an informed point of view? Isn’t that what the entire site is?
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that when you just say you feel, and nothing more than Anderson won’t keep up a .940 save %, it doesn’t really feel like an informed point of view.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So… even though a .940 has never happened in the history of the NHL over a prolonged period, I shouldn’t then assume Craig Anderson, a 29-year-old career backup, can’t do it?
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. You can think he might not do it, but you don’t know that he can’t.
That’s all we’re sayin’.
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 26, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what I'm saying.
He could certainly cool off to even .910. But even if he does that doesn’t mean that the Avs are in line for the cataclysmic fall you seem to indicate.
It’ll take more than Anderson cooling off for the Avs to crash
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To echo Jibbles:
Why does he have to maintain exactly .940 anyway? Wouldn’t .930 be pretty damn good, and sufficient to help the Avs win lots more games? What about .925? I’d say .925 is perfectly good enough. It’s not like the Avs are winning all their games by low-scoring, one-goal margins.
I’d say .925 over the length of the year is perfectly reasonable for what we’ve seen so far, and it would not in any way jeopardize the Avs’ ability to win games.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea why I wrote “lots more.” There goes the theory that law school is making me a better writer.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if Anderson plays at .925, he’s not performing up to the standard he set to this point in the season.
It’s reasonable, but it fits with what I had written. That .11 drop in save percentage is significant.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 27, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
but will that necessarily result in the team completely falling apart? i believe that even if/when anderson’s numbers drop, the team will still be as competitive as they are now. i don’t expect they will win as often as they are, but i think the losses will be one or maybe two goal losses.
if you think the team will fall apart with a .925, would it be accurate to say you believe the only reason the team is succeeding right now is anderson’s current level of play?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 27, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the problem. No one’s arguing that a .011 save percentage drop isn’t significant. You make it sound like a .011 drop is going to cause the Avs to plummet to the depths of the Western conference again.
We’re not disagreeing with you that Anderson isn’t likely to drop in save percentage (he probably will), or even that it will have a large effect.
But in your post you make it sound like if he drops .2 the Avs will be in the draft lottery. It’s going to take more than a change in just Anderson for them to drop that badly.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 27, 2009 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think my perception of the Avs is that they’ve gone from being an apparent bottom feeder to a team in the mix for the last playoff spot. That’s an epic change after only 10 or 11 games.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 28, 2009 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
I think you’re putting a pretty positive twist on what you actually wrote. Nobody in their right mind believes that Anderson will play every game this season and finish the year with the greatest season ever produced by an NHL goaltender. But what you wrote wasn’t exactly that, either. So there, Mr. Semantics.
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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 26, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
precisely. you can and should make an informed opinion that he probably won’t. looking back at your article to which this whole thread is referring, you state
If Chris Osgood continues to struggle and Jim Howard can’t step in, they may be another team looking for a goaltender. The blueline is essentially unchanged from a year ago and should be able to bring that goals against figure down, however, even if goal scoring is hard to come by.
and
The Bruins are probably in trouble trying to keep pace given their injuries, although they could very well be one of the many bubble teams the East will have this year. Toronto, on the other hand, has to worry about just getting out of the basement; the playoffs are likely already out of reach for the Leafs. Phil Kessel will help.
Yet when it comes to the Avs and the Kings
It’s worth keeping in mind, however, that we’ve seen plenty of teams well in playoff position at midseason fall apart down the stretch, when the pace picks up and younger players have difficulty keeping up (see: 2008-09 Coyotes). Anderson can’t play like this all season, just as the Kings can’t remain the highest scoring team in the league long term, not when they were the NHL’s lowest scoring team at even strength a year ago.
In my opinion, that’s biased and wrong.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:10 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
FTW
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
FTL.
To me, it’s a very, very weak argument to go to an entirely opinion based site and say “you’re being opinionated and speculating!”
Of course I am. That’s not even an argument at all. You can argue I’m wrong, or how what the Avs and Anderson have done is sustainable, but if I think he can’t keep it up, that’s what I’ll write.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose I misinterpreted the purpose of your site, then. So many of your articles are factually based that I confused it with straight journalism. I stand corrected.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are columnists journalists? They’re opinionated.
I’m not covering an election here.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always understood that straight journalism is supposed to be unbiased, while editorials were the opinion pieces. I guess I’m wrong about that too.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
By its nature, a blog is essentially an opinion piece. It’s still journalism.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t say blogs or editorials were not journalism. i was simply contrasting them to what i called "straight journalism, by which i meant unbiased reporting.
i believe, however, you knew what i meant. at least, i hope you did as it seems you’re a pretty intelligent guy.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 27, 2009 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biased by what? It’s just a stronger opinion than the others expressed.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you quantify the strength of an opinion?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a scale from 1 to 10.
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by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 2:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is a stronger statement:
(a) The Bruins are in trouble
or
(b) The Bruins are probably in trouble
I’m expressing (b) which isn’t as strong of an opinion about the degree to which Boston is in trouble.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha. Didn’t get where you were going with that, but now I do. Thanks for clarifying.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not what you’re expressing.
1) The Avs will stop being this good.
2) The Avs will probably stop being this good.
You’re arguing 1. The language you used, quoted above, is “can’t,” not “probably can’t.”
James, of course you can hold any opinion you want, but you’re making definitive statements about the future of the Avs season while qualifying your statements about other teams. That’s the only issue any of us have with your post.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m more certain about what I’m saying about Anderson.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
again, I go back to semantics, James. “Can’t” means absolutely, unequivocally unable to do something. The problem is you have no idea whether or not Anderson is able to do so. What if he is the next Hasek? It’s unlikely, of course, which is why you should use such words in your speculation based on an informed point of view. “It is doubtful that Anderson can keep this up” is a completely different statement than “Anderson can not keep this up.”
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Anderson is the next Hasek, expect InYo’s head to explode.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
by texacogirl on Oct 26, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Hopefully #9 is not ten less than #19
by InYoFace on Oct 26, 2009 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Well played.
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by texacogirl on Oct 26, 2009 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Anderson is the next Hasek, expect Panthers fans to move from complaining bitterly on the internet to taking up pitchforks and torches on the way to pay Alan Cohen (worst owner in hockey) a visit.
We’re all pretty angry they let him go, but we’re glad he found a new home where he’s appreciated.
by Johnny B on Oct 27, 2009 6:24 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t be too upset. Vokoun’s no slouch.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 27, 2009 7:15 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vokooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnn!
I will never get tired of doing that…
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 27, 2009 7:48 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was the only entertaining thing fans in Nashville ever did.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 27, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having
witnessed the last Avs/Wings game on Saturday, I also consider myself “informed,” and “feel” that the Avalanche are more than just a bubble team. So there.
by ljp78 on Oct 26, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So there.
+1
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Start a blog big guy.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
Honestly, having watched Anderson play eleven games straight, and post the numbers that he has, and stare in amazement as he’s gotten BETTER with each passing game, I’d say the more informed point of view would be that he definitely WILL keep this up. He’s done nothing to suggest otherwise.
But still, that’s just speculation, not really sound analysis.
Anybody can speculate anything. Having seen how the Avs have played so far, my informed opinion is that they’ll finish the year 70-8-4. But that doesn’t really help us to understand the team or the players any better.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that doesn’t really help us to understand the team or the players any better.
By nature, there are some percentages that are unsustainable in hockey. They’ve been observed and picked apart for years. We know, for instance, that the Leafs won’t have a team save percentage of .843 the full season. It’s impossible for a team to fall that far off the league average. Teams like the Oilers won’t continue to have shooting percentages at around 15 per cent. The Flames won’t score on one-third of their power plays all year.
I’ve seen the Avs play quite a bit, including here in Toronto in person, and Anderson’s been perhaps the best player in the league to this point. I thought it was a great signing to bring him in. But his team is being heavily out chanced, and in the long haul, he will have an extreme amount of difficulty keeping his percentages that high.
That doesn’t even mean he’ll have a bad season. It just means that Colorado’s record and their goaltender’s numbers are unsustainable unless they start playing even better than they have to this point (for one, generating more shots on goal and limiting those against).
It’s a great start for this team, there’s no question, but in some key ways, it’s a fluke.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he will have an extreme amount of difficulty keeping his percentages that high.
unless they start playing even better than they have to this point
Thank you. That’s all I have been seeking. Those are not black and white statements like “can’t.”
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn’t even mean he’ll have a bad season. It just means that Colorado’s record and their goaltender’s numbers are unsustainable unless they start playing even better than they have to this point (for one, generating more shots on goal and limiting those against).
Which I assume you believe they can’t do.
Even if, on paper, it’s unlikely, it’s not impossible for the Avs to improve their all-around play and take some of the weight off Anderson.
Nobody here is arguing that they WILL do anything or CAN’T do anything. Sure, it’s a tall order to beat historical numbers in any category, but that doesn’t mean they can’t do it.
(And I see Beachie beat me to it.)
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he can do it. That’s all. The site’s all opinion and it always has been.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
and you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be. Heck, I thought both the Avs and Broncos were going to suck this season. Thank Roy and Elway that I was wrong on both counts.
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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 26, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am cautious in my assessment of the Avs and their future in this long season. Of course I hope they do well and go for a deep playoff run. One of the reasons I want them to is so that we can say to people like you, “See. We told you so.”
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love doing that too. It’s so much fun to say “Screw you!”
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 26, 2009 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see where you guys are going with this, but remember- that sword cuts both ways. None of us here thought the avs would finish third last in the league, and worst in the West last year. Yet not many of the “experts” were surprised.
So while it is definitely fun to say screw you, I usually like to wait until the fat lady sings to start up about it. Unless, of course, it’s to red wings fans. Then it doesn’t matter what happens, I still say “screw you”
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by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the difference: I have no problem with others saying to me, “I told you so.” I have no problem saying, “I was wrong.” I never said I expected them to perform so well that I will be able to say that. I just really, really want to be able to and that is one of the major fuels to my “the Avs rock this year” fire.
Should they bottom feed again it will be as we all originally expected (well, at least I expected…I don’t want to assume everyone was in my boat on that). In the meantime, this is so freaking fun!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem saying, "I was wrong."
I have mountains of statistical evidence that says that this is a complete crock for women.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am like no other woman you have met. = )
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ain’t that the truth… ;)
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by Americanario on Oct 26, 2009 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole screw you thing smells like gloating to me. I just think it can come back to bite you in the end. Now, while I do gloat and like gloating, my main reason for wanting the avs to do well is because I’m a fan, not because I want them to prove me right. I have been taunted by too many of my Detroit and Minny fan friends to jump too quickly to conclusions. And they feel the same way, because I have given it right back when warranted.
Nothing is worse than saying “I was wrong” in a shit talking contest. It’s much better to stick with things that are harder to argue against.
Don’t get me wrong, the Avs DO rock this year- so far. I would love to see this continue and I love the feeling that there is no game we can’t theoretically win. Unlike last year when we knew they were going to lose pretty much from January on, there is hope on the horizon. That’s why I’m being conservative in my cautious optimism, and I think that at least some of that reasoning holds true for the greater hockey world.
Get rid of the loser point
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by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, personally, did not say I want to say, “Screw you” to other people, especially the fans of other teams. I simply want the Avs to prove they are not a fluke, they are not destined to crash and burn, and they are legitimately back in the hunt for playoff spots this season and more to come. If and when they do, it will be nice to say, “See. They are the team I believed they could be all along, not the bottom feeders you predicted.”
I also do not hold this to be my main reason for wanting them to succeed. It’s ONE reason and it’s that one reason because I get angry when people dismiss them outright. The main reason I want them to succeed is because I love this team, so much so that I spend thousands of dollars on them every year, even the past two-three years when they were as bad as so many say they will be this year.
And, for the record, I am NOT saying that now. I WANT to be able to say that at the end of the season.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
Sorry, lumped you in with the Mrs. there.
What I’m saying is, it may be a bit premature to be holding all of those beliefs. I’ll check back in 20 games or so.
Just ease up on the groin injuries, will ya? Although if the groin’s are as almighty as you say they are, maybe they can take it. :)
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by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get angry when people dismiss them outright
That’s what I meant by saying “screw you”. When your team does better than all the nay-sayers predicted, you can tell them to go screw. As a perpetual fan of the underdog (i.e. Mississippi State), I have much experience with this.
I always respect the other team, it’s just the reporters, commentators, etc., that repeatedly pick their favorites to do well, and the little teams to do poorly; not even giving them a chance. That’s what really pisses me off here.
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 27, 2009 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Avs goalies
It seems like Avs fans have this habit of putting high expectations on their goalies, and then when they don’t reach those expectations, fans rip them to shreds.
Since Anderson is a human being and might have an off night (see Kings preseason game), and since the defense in front of him might have a bad night, I am going to predict that his number might go down a bit over the long haul. However, I still believe that he is an amazing goalie, he has contributed to the spark of confidence this team has, and whether he ends the season with a save percent of .94 or .92 is completely irrelevent to me. We got the goalie steal of the century with him.
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by hockeymom on Oct 26, 2009 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Furthermore, I believe he will be the cornerstone of the Avs’ return to the top of the league with as much solidity as they had during the 90s. The idea that this team will suck for years to come is, in my opinion, simply naive and wrong.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that’s totally fair. But that difference in save percentage will mean a significant dip in the team’s performance.
Anderson was a terrific signing. I’ve been saying that all along. I’ve got no clue why Toronto didn’t got after him.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goalie Save Percent
It’s one of those stats that doesn’t factor in the quality of the shot. But I understand what you are staying. That save percent can go down based on goals that come from power plays (which might mean undisciplined play by the team), odd man rushes (which would mean defensive breakdowns), goals scored because a man was left unattended in front of the net, goals scored because nobody cleared rebounds, etc. None of those goals are necessarily a reflection of Anderson’s poor play, but as you said a decline in the team’s play.
It will be an interesting stat to ponder over – and we at MHH obsess over stuff like this.
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by hockeymom on Oct 26, 2009 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
hm...
I really want to see where they compile those shot location-frequency grid rainbow chart things. I want to track where shots are coming from, where they are succeeding from, over time, for both ends of the Avs ice. Very interesting to me, very inaccessible data…
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by wflan on Oct 26, 2009 4:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love those charts too. Why don’t they post them anywhere? Or do they? Calling DDC…DDC to the white courtesy phone.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 4:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is DDC?
There’s an old sheriff in town.
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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 26, 2009 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
DDC hasn’t gone anywhere. He did get a new job, though, so he’s on the blogging down-low right now.
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by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Folks around here
my not put those stats into a nice pretty rainbow flowchart, but trust me, the shots on the goalie, where they came from, if they were soft, could they have been saved, were they screened, whose fault was it, etc., are seriously analyzed around here and the source of long debates.
Like Jibbles has repeatedly said, the save percent of the goalie is not necessarily an accurate stat because there are too many variables involved, and Mirtle’s point that that stat can also reflect the play of the team not just the goalie is accurate.
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by hockeymom on Oct 26, 2009 6:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY
It seems like Avs fans have this habit of putting high expectations on their goalies, and then when they don’t reach those expectations, fans rip them to shreds.
We’re no Montreal
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by wflan on Oct 26, 2009 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we’re as close as humanly possible to their goaltending theories. Just ask AD and the muppet mob. he seemed to bring up Roy in every article about Budaj and Raycroft last year.
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by Savage33 on Oct 26, 2009 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
EDM, CGY and COL are all top 5 in unsustainable shooting %’s right now, so all three should be falling back to the middle of the pack.
In fact if you look at metrics which would indicate “smoke and mirrors” CGY has just as many red flags as COL.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
No no jibble
You can’t say a bad word about Calgary. They are sensitive. Any other team’s success is an illusion and theirs is predetermined.
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by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's nothing
halfway through the season the Vancouver newspapers held an online competition to plan the Canucks’ victory parade through downtown
my favorite was one that spelled out ‘1994’
edit: it was after they swept the blues, right before Louongo unexpectedly and inexplicably choked on something (probably greasy and italian if the statistics can be trusted) and they tanked hard.
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by wflan on Oct 26, 2009 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many stupid bits of data can this Calgary guys spew out before he realizes he has no point.
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by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s got a point, I just think he’s overstating the value of some of it.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, at least Mirtle doesn’t turtle. He’s in here taking his medicine like a man. Unlike that puke Tuomo Ruutu. And Draper. And Maltby. And most Wings.
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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 26, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
you do have a point
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Tuomo was kicked out before he could even be called on to answer. And he apologized today, so there’s that.
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by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Foote went over the have a go with him, I thought he basically turtled. Resulting in the 2-minute offset for roughing that Foote received on the 5-minute major Ruutu earned. Of course, the dumb arses that run the show in the Can put up the power play graphics on the scoreboard at the start of the ensuing 4-on-4. Someone should ’splain the rules to the jokers someday.
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by Bob in Boulder on Oct 26, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think a guy is going to get worn out facing so many shots, game after game.
I’m not the stats cruncher that you two are…are there guys that face that many shots all damn season and still have those kind of save % ??
Imagine how good his numbers would be if he only saw 20 shots a game!
by From the Point on Oct 26, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we just turn Mirtle into a troll? And if so, did we just piss him off, because that’s awesome.
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by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh… that’d be a new one. It’s all right — I’m glad this place is alive again. It was turning into a bit of a sad place last season.
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by James Mirtle on Oct 26, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we kept a pretty good sense of humor about it all. But yeah, being terrible will do that.
Not to pick another argument or anything.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last season was like the depths of the swamps in some backwoods forgotten place. We did our best.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no idea why the brave boys and girls at PPP haven’t already killed themselves by now.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did we just turn Mirtle into a troll?
If we did that would suck, because nothing he has said here is trolling. I’ve always found his blog to be quite good, and I’d hate to see us label someone as a troll just because we disagree. That’s EZ type behavior there.
Get rid of the loser point
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by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that statement was sarcasm.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, i figured after I wrote that.
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. I really like Mirtle. I think he’s one of, if not the, best mainstream hockey bloggers. It’s just somewhat funny, and respectable, that he came on here to defend his point so vehemently.
I do disagree with his comment about the wheels falling off, but later on he justified his point fairly well.
Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?
by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the wheels will fall off either, but I agree with most of the rest of what he wrote.
Get rid of the loser point
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by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know when I played last year and faced an average of 35 shots a game (550 over 17 games or some ridiculous amount) I was beaten down mentally towards the end of the season because I knew going into the game there was a good chance I’d face alot of shots and get zero goal support(23 goals over 17 games) I know Anderson mentally alot tougher than ne but I struggle to see him coping as well as he has if he has to do it for 50-60 games.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Oct 26, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson has plenty of goal support, however. That’s the difference. Unless the Avs drop off on scoring significantly, Anderson can count on 3-4 goals a night. Or so.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah that helps too, but facing a ton of shots night in night out still beats you down. So do certain locker room doors but thats another story.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Oct 27, 2009 4:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So are you guys gonna claim Yelle off waivers so he can retire an Av?
by TylerA7707 on Oct 26, 2009 1:33 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The Avs have had about a dozen chances in the past few years to pick up Yelle on the cheap and they never went for it. I doubt they’d do it this time, either.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
but that doesn’t mean you’re getting your old job back Tyler A.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice………….
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by Mike @ MHH on Oct 26, 2009 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anderson
Is supposed to start for his 12th straight game tomorrow night.
Budaj is not leaving with the team, but will make the trip at some point (hopefully)
by toothandnailer777 on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Logic would say Anderson is getting one of the next two nights off…you’d think.
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 1:43 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but if Budaj doesn’t soon get over the flu, the Avs may have no choice but to keep playing Anderson. Weiman notwithstanding.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weiman
I’d really like to see him get a start if Buds can’t play. EDM and CGY are tough, but Anderson just can’t start 75 games this season.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Oct 26, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want to be an ass, Jibbs, but you just used a declarative “can’t” in almost the exact same way you were ripping on Mirtle for above. Who knows what Anderson “can” or “can’t” do.
Just pointing out that we all of us slip in our semantics usage from time to time.
Thanks Joe...
by mfured20 on Oct 26, 2009 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the can’t that Jibbles used is abit different to Mirtle’s. Playing 75 games is a stretch for any goalie so I’d feel pretty confident saying he can’t play 75 games.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Oct 27, 2009 4:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of whether or not Anderson CAN play 75 games (theoretically any goalie can play all 82), Sacco won’t LET him play 75 games. Maybe that’s more of what Jibbles meant.
But anyway, let’s not get crazy on each other. We’re bad enough about grammar and usage as it is!
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 27, 2009 6:01 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Truf.
Amidoinitrite?
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Oct 27, 2009 6:40 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure at least a week off for the flu. It takes a normal person that long to go back to a desk job, so I won’t begrudge Budaj the same for a highly taxing physical job. Just my opinion though.
by Mrs @ MHH on Oct 26, 2009 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and a poignant opinion at that.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard it only takes Dominik Hasek one day to get over the flu.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And it only took Belfour
10 bottles of cough medicine to kill it.
Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.
by Bob in Boulder on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not the flu, that’s Friday!
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but not everyone can afford the expensive stuff,
Ten MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLEEEOOOOOOOOOONN Dollars!
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by Hopfenkopf on Oct 26, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
I thought it was Billion, with a B
Cause we called him Billion $ Belfour
by From the Point on Oct 26, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt
If weiman gets his chance it would be against the Flames. Sacco appears to want to prove that his team is for real. Not smoke and mirros as some Flame-out troll seems to think. Maybe Weiman will get the Sharks. Maybe. But then again. We have Mr. Anderson.
You think that’s air you’re breathing?
Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?
by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be scared if Weiman starts.
by toothandnailer777 on Oct 26, 2009 1:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As would anyone when a rookie goalie gets a start.
The Avs may (or may not) suck now, but they've still won a Cup more recently than 75% of the NHL.
by Joe Dunman on Oct 26, 2009 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that his opinion means that much in the grand scheme of things...
but last week, I pointed out to Marty McSorley (who had said the previous two weeks that the Avs’ success wouldn’t last) how well the team was playing and that they were still at the top of the Western Conference. His response? “I just didn’t realize that they are so damn good. They’ve got a serious chance to go deep (in the playoffs).”
I believe a lot of people out there, media included, think the same way; however, they’re reluctant to admit it because the Avs are already making them look like idiots. If they say the Avs have something and then they tank, they’ll look even more foolish. Better to stay conservative (or even dismiss them altogether) and feign surprise if things go well and do the whole “I told you so” if things don’t. It’s stupid and biased and chicken shit…but I really wouldn’t expect much else.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not
play weiman? Jeez, we’re going with a youth movement anyways, why not give him some exposure? Calling him up just to have him sit on the bench won’t make him better. It’s not like being a back-up quarterback; you don’t get “seasoned” by waiting in the wings doing nothing for a year learning the playbook. It’s hockey. Who knows, maybe he’s better than Budaj (a stretch, I know). My point is, we won’t know until we try. Put him in! There, I’ve vented. I’m now going to enjoy a mid-afternoon beer.
by ljp78 on Oct 26, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Who are the avs? January 1 of this year the team was in 9th place, tied in points with columbus for the last playoff spot. We were talking on this site about what the avs should do to get into contention. Then the bottom fell out of the barrel. Tony Granato had no system and some players quit on him, some players had bad years and just about everyone was hurt at some point. This years avs are reaping the benefits of both of those teams, you get the good young players from the team that finished third from last and you get a decent contending team from before the bottom fell out. Oh and having a coach that knows what he’s doing should not be counted out. —I know that’s a bit harsh on Tony G, I love the guy and have a kings #21 jersey, but his track record proves it.
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 3:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Goalie fatigue myth
Why does everyone say a goalie wears out? I mean, every other player is capable of playing every single game.
In addition, Brodeur has played more than any other goalie the last decade. Sometimes close to 70 games per season. His numbers are always great. Not good, great.
I think the goalie getting tired myth is just that.
Joe Sakic.
by BraxtanFILM on Oct 26, 2009 3:20 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you to a certain extent, back to back nights has to make a difference, the rest of the team isn’t playing in goalie pads.
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
nor do they play every minute of every game. though a goalie is not skating like the players are, the focus he needs is still physically demanding.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Oct 26, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goalies don’t skate as much but all the movements in the net, especially on screens and power play scenarios can get pretty demanding.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Oct 26, 2009 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brodeur doesn’t face 40 shots a game
by From the Point on Oct 26, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet can still singlehandedly blow a series.
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by avsfannks on Oct 26, 2009 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s a talented man though, and shows his pride in his team on his mask.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Oct 27, 2009 4:41 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Skaters may play every game, but they aren’t on the ice for 60 minutes a game. Closer to 20 or so. I think that makes a big difference. Now, a goalie may not see much action for those 60 minutes, or he might, but Anderson is and that akes a toll, physical and mental, that skaters don’t have to worry about.
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is, maybe nobody knows? How many goalies have started every game in a season?
Joe Sakic.
by BraxtanFILM on Oct 26, 2009 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think grant fuhr got pretty damn close one year,
hockey db backs me up, 75 games in 87-88
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by horbayj on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
73 games in 96 for the blues as well
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by horbayj on Oct 26, 2009 6:17 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
One other positive for the avs
At the end of this coming week the avs will have played in over a 1/4 of their total road games in the first month of the year. Even when they cool off they have a lot of home games left.
This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Oct 26, 2009 3:39 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn’t power rankings be based on their current play not on their future play? Nobody can accurately speculate on their future play because nobody accurately predicted their early play.
by SCP on Oct 26, 2009 3:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Someone pointed that out earlier, along with Pierre LeBrun being an idiot for not doing it that way.
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
by TheRed on Oct 26, 2009 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I figured somebody said it but I just chimed in and didn’t feel like reading 150 comments… Just felt like getting my frustrations out..
by SCP on Oct 26, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its me but I don’t terribly disagree with the rankings. In my head the rankings were a list of the top teams, and if the playoffs were to start today who would do the best. I always hated lists that had the tops 11 Eastern conference and 5 western conference teams in the top 16. So, right now having the Avs at 4 or 5 or 7 isn’t a huge deal. There are some team, like the Flames, that i think would be really strong playoff teams if it started right now. However, what i completely disagree with is how good people think the Kings are. If Kopitar can score 95 goals and 300 points, yes they can be that good.
Avalanche 2009-2010: We fend off 7 man power plays? Do you?
by c6hor8 on Oct 26, 2009 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wild's record
Also of note regarding the loss to Minnesota…. they are 4-0 at home, 0-7 on the road….. they seem pretty schizophrenic so far. so our loss to them in Minnesota isn’t as bad as it sounds.
by jd21 on Oct 26, 2009 4:22 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs































