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Tanguay?

Everyone is talking about Forsberg these days, but I'm wondering if going after another ex-Av might make more sense. Peter at this stage of his career comes with so many ifs, and he didn't exactly light up the recent tournament he played in. Tanguay hasn't started well in Tampa either, but he's at least healthy and playing in the NHL. This is a completely hypothetical scenario that has nothing to back it up whatsoever, but I just want to know what other people think.

I believe, and I think a few people agree with me on this, that the Avs need scoring depth on 2nd line, especially a winger who can help Duchene. Right now, the 2nd line is rather, uh, chaotic for a lack of a better word. Svatos has got it going recently, but he has no chemistry with Duchene at all. Both players kinda do their own things instead of trying to find each other. McLeod, despite his occasional nose for the goal, is not an offensive player; he is much more effective on the third line, where he has done great things with O'Reilly. We are all anxious about the lack of goals for Duchene, and that's because linemates like Svatos and McLeod (or Tucker when he comes back) aren't going to give him opportunities to score. Tanguay, on the other hand, can both create and score. He is somebody who can feed Duchene the puck and take pressure away from him offensively. Right now, other teams' defense can focus their attention on Duchene; with Tanguay on the same line, they'll either have to abandon that strategy or give room to a more gifted offensive player. Duchene himself, with a proven scorer in the NHL who has won a Cup on his wing, won't feel like he has to do everything by himself and will be able to relax more. Of course, many skilled forwards in the league can do that, but Tangs has experience with the club, and you know how our top brass love bringing back ex-employees. Tangs may not bring the star power of Forsberg, but I hope some fans will still remember who scored 2 goals in a certain Game 7 of a Stanley Cup Finals (and has stellar playoff in general that year). His contract can be easily absorbed (1 year, 2.5m), and unlikely to cost more than Forsberg.

Now, I don't profess to know a lot about what's going on in Tampa. I do know that they are one of those bubble teams in the East who are not sure whether they are contenders or not. They have Stamkos, who is tearing things up offensively for them. But their defense, from what I have heard, is rather shoddy. We have a surfeit of defensemen, and a couple of them could interest the Lightning. Brett Clark's name here seems to be not that much above dirt these days, but that appears to be only apparent to those of us who follow the Avs every game. His stats are quite decent so far, especially his block shots. Tampa's goalies are not the most reliable. Nittymaki has been great so far, but he has never proven that he could keep doing it consistently (and he had plenty of chances in Philly to prove himself). Mike Smith has been rather shambolic so far, especially on the road. A player who could block lots of shots and take pressure off the goalie would have value to them. Preissing is a decent puck-moving D, another attribute that's missing from the Tampa D-corp (especially with Hedman out). Hensick could also be tacked on; he has been in the dog house all year, but Bolts have shown willingness to give young players who have lost their way a second chance (Meszaros, Carle, Wishart, Jokinen, etc.). Package two of these players together, and it might a deal that both sides would agree on.

So what do people think about bringing back Tanguay? Am I out of my mind?

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This was discussed quite a bit this summer. I seem to remember him wanting too much money, especially with the Avs in a rebuild. That said we sure could use a left wing, I just don’t think he’s the right one.

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!

by TheRed on Nov 10, 2009 3:11 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Tangs Contract

He only got something like 1,5M from the Lightning

by Tommelot on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

he doesnt really provide much scoring depth because he is not scoring at all right now, i kinda feel like he is one of those got a contract on his past and not the present.

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Nov 10, 2009 6:30 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

agreed. I don’t think he’s a solid fit for this team anymore, regardless. seems to skate on cruise control too much, doesn’t bring the hustle the way the young Avs are doing so far.

by jd21 on Nov 10, 2009 8:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Avs biggest need is a sniper who shoots a lot. Tanguay fits that mold pretty well.

I don’t think he will be coming here, nor should he, but I think his skill set would do the Avs a lot of good.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 10, 2009 8:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

On his slow start...

Sometimes players who did terribly at one place are able to rebound nicely in another. Off the top of my head, examples I can remember include Samsonov (who sucked at Chicago but helped the Canes out down the stretch), Huselius (who was lost in Florida but went on a tear in Calgary) and Jokinen (whose last years at Dallas and one year at Tampa stunk, but found new life in Carolina as well). I’m not sure Tangs is the perfect fit, and his lack of hustle is a good point, but I think he’s one of the more realistic options available. We aren’t going to be able to get, say, a Kovalchuk without bankrupting our youth system.

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 10, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t care about his slow start, I just think there’s a better fit for the team, and I think there are some better options out there, long term and short term.

I could see the Avs trading for a young winger with potential, or a veteran for the playoffs. Tanguay would be in the mix, but I’m not sure he’d be their top choice at this point.

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

gotta make the playoffs

first, secondly I dont think tangs is good for the youngsters with the lack of hustly and all, i think if the avs are going to go after a sniper, it would have to be someone young with some hustle and not quite proven

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by DESTROYER on Nov 12, 2009 6:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

More on his slow start...

Now that I’m living in Tampa, I’m getting local coverage of Lightning games (granted, I’m still watching more Avs and Penguins games via streaming internet feeds. But, I digress…) It’s true that Tanguay has had a slow start. But Chris Dingman, one of the Lightning announcers and a former teammate of Tanguay’s on the ’01 cup team, said that from what he knows of Tanguay, it looks like he just took a while to feel comfortable. Dingman noted that Tanguay is looking much more comfortable as of late. As evidenced by his 1G, 2A performance tonight for the Lightning in a 4-1 win over Phoenix!

by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 16, 2009 10:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The Avs biggest need is a sniper who shoots a lot. Tanguay fits that mold pretty well.

Tanguay a sniper? His career shooting percentage is very good. But, he’s never put more than 135 shots on net in a single season. The guy’s no sniper. Although, I do think that he would look good playing with Duchene. I think it was Dater who was saying that Duchene isn’t a player who is going to lug the puck down the ice a la Forsberg. He’s more of a give and go type player. I think that he and Tanguay would work well together.

by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 16, 2009 9:57 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if the Avs organization wanted Tanguay back, they would have pursued him in the offseason. We don’t want him anymore, apparently.

Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 10, 2009 8:17 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

You have to admit though that the Avs organization’s plans will have, or should have changed since the hot start. I don’t think any sort of veteran outside of goalie over the price of 2m per year was welcome, considering we were supposed to be rebuilding. Now that the team has proven they could challenge, they may start considering adding pieces that could help that cause.

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

On the other hand, making a trade and getting rid of some defensemen may be fairly attractive to the Avs’ management right now. As has been pointed out, we have a lot of capable youngsters, and a plethora of highly-paid veterans. With the youth movement in full swing, making a trade of SOME veteran Dmen for SOME scoring left winger does start to make sense.

Is Tanguay the right answer? I think we could do better and find someone younger that will last with our team. But he wouldn’t be bad. Still, with a single year cap hit at 2.5, he’s not cheap for what he brings. Getting a kid would be a better fit in the long run, and getting Alex back seems more like a crutch to get us thru this year.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That is one of the main reason I posted this up. We are always talking about shipping out Clark, Preissing and Salei. No team is willing to trade a draft pick higher than at most third or high-end prospects for guys like that, but teams are willing to trade veteran for veteran if the contracts match closely enough. An offensive left winger, especially one who can match Duchene in skill, is a need we have right now.

I’m curious to hear what other people’s choices are to fill that void. I thought of Tanguay first because I was a fan of his and he has always scored in Colorado (bar one season). I’m sure there are other options available though.

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 10, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of former Avs...

did you guys see that hit on Drury on Saturday? Glencross got 3 games suspension, which seems to be the going rate these days. I’m not one for taking the bite out of hockey, but the head shots need to stop. They rarely have a defensive result that couldn’t be obtained through a shoulder to shoulder hit, if ever. This one, for example, was so unnecessary.

In case you haven’t seen it, here it is.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 10, 2009 10:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Svatos > Tanguay

If I want someone to half-arse it half the games, I’ll look towards Wolski, thank you.

Tanguay’s carreer has always been fueled by Sakic and Foppa.

by Tommelot on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

+1
If Tanguay didn’t have those two to feed him passes all of the time he never would have made it this far.

by SCP on Nov 10, 2009 4:09 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Tanguay’s carreer has always been fueled by Sakic and Foppa.
If Tanguay didn’t have those two to feed him passes all of the time he never would have made it this far.

I’ve got to disagree with this sentiment. Maybe early in his career that was true. But even so, we tend to forget that Tanguay was a much younger player at 19 than were the team’s other young guns at the time in Drury and Hejduk, who broke into the league the season before after collegiate and pro european hockey careers, respectively,

Pre-lockout, when Tanguay was playing on a line with Forsberg and Hejduk, I recall Forsberg saying that he and Hejduk might be getting all of the attention. But, it was Tanguay that was really providing the glue and chemistry for the line.

Post-lockout, Tanguay’s comments to the media really showed that he recognized that he had to be held accountable. And he was stepping up as a leader on the team. Heck, he played most of his last season on the Avs (2005-06) on a line with Brett McLean and Ian Laperriere and still managed to put up 78 points on 29 goals and 49 assists in just 71 games. Oh, and McLean and Laperriere? They both had career years. McLean put up a solid 40 points on 9 goals and 31 assists in 82 games and Laperriere put up 45 points in 82 games with 21 goals and 24 assists. Fan favorite that he is, you’ve got to Acknowledge that Lappy definitely over achieved in his first year with the team.

by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 16, 2009 10:16 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The amount of goals/assists don’t add up on your logic. 59 goals can max equal 118 assists. Defence always gobbles up about 1/3 of them. Your line has 104 assists together. That’s very uncommon.

Plus I seem to remember quite a few line switches and PPGs.

by Tommelot on Nov 17, 2009 4:27 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Again, those were Tanguay’s even strength linemates for much of the season. Of course there were switches throughout the season and of course Tanguay was seeing more power play time than the other two.

My logic was that Tanguay was making those players around him better, as illustrated by their career years. To say that the numbers don’t add up…well frankly, you’re missing the point. If you take three guys who’ve played the majority of any year together, their numbers are never going to perfectly add up.

by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 17, 2009 7:43 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

At least

Wolski is scoring at the moment

Pujols takes out "I" in BIG and "A" in MAC, previously considered to be an unyielding, consonant threat

by DESTROYER on Nov 12, 2009 7:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That's what I was thinking

The last thing we need is another soft, inconsistent sniper. If we bring someone in, I’d rather a guy who’ll play hard all the time with less talent.

by eltharion_doa on Nov 18, 2009 3:33 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I seem to remember AD saying once that he had burnt his bridges here in colorado.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 10, 2009 4:25 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I believe that has been said. I’ve also heard that he has angered a number of players, unfortunately. I liked him when he played for Colorado. I was young, and Quincey to look at.

I’d rather see the money to go to Brunette. With the Wild needing to do something they may be willing to get a D man for him?

by sandiegee on Nov 10, 2009 5:33 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be weird to have Bruno back. Has any player ever done that before? (Gone from team A to team B, back to team A, then back to team B?)

Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 10, 2009 6:13 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I will go out on a limb and say it will never happen. The Avs screwed Bruno. Why would he come back? Besides, he’s not what we need. Duchene needs a fast, playmaker who can both pass and score. I love Bruno, but that’s not him.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 10, 2009 6:55 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know that the Avs screwed Bruno, he was a free agent they weren’t interested in signing. But I agree that at this point of his career he’s probably too slow to be of use on a line with Duchene.

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by Americanario on Nov 10, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

They did the same thing to him they did to Lappy: undercut him with an insulting offer that no player of his skill set and in his right mind would take. In my mind, that’s screwing someone over. But maybe that’s just me.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 10, 2009 8:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Did they offer Bruno a contract. I didn’t think they even gave him a phone call to tell him he wasn’t needed next year.

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by Savage33 on Nov 11, 2009 2:17 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, you’re right. Which is even worse, really. Again, no matter how you slice it, Bruno was mistreated.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 11, 2009 8:35 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll agree with the notion that he was mistreated, no doubt about that. He deserved to at least be talked too, not just ignored.
I still don’t think he was screwed. It’s not like the organization kept telling “we want you here, we’ll work something out” and then a month or two down the road when the other teams had full rosters cut him lose.

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by Americanario on Nov 11, 2009 8:58 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that depends on your definitiion of screwed then.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 11, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta agree with The Canary here(Don’t get used to it people, The Taz vs The Canary rivalry is still around) I don’t think he was screwed by the Avs that much since they didn’t seem to offer him any indication that he’d be around next year. He was severely mistreadted and it was a douchetastic move by the Avs, thats for sure.

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
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by Savage33 on Nov 13, 2009 2:16 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

See, in my world of vocab, being severely mistreated is being screwed. Now, “screwed over” is another story, and perhaps that’s where the difference lies. Screwed and screwed over are not the same in my book. What you guys are describing would be what I call screwed over.

Regardless of symantecs, the premise is still the same: Bruno will not come back to this team after the way he was treated.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 13, 2009 8:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

ummm, Adam Foote?

by jd21 on Nov 10, 2009 9:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

footer’s not going anywhere untilhe retires.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that’s more of an A – B – A situation. Not that it’s really important. I was just curious.

Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Peter Forsberg would be if he goes to Philly again…
(technically MoDo – Avs – MoDo – Philly – Nashville – Avs – MoDo is sort of A – B – A – B situation).

by HugoAgogo on Nov 10, 2009 11:10 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, not from the Avs to team and back to Avs, but Leopold did it the opposite way.

by sandiegee on Nov 11, 2009 12:19 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No, he’d have to come back to the Avs for it to be A – B – A – B. But I digress….

Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 11, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

A – B – A – C – D – B – A …. Can I get a beat on this?

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 11, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Sillinger's career

Was a Shakespearean Sonnet

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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 11, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

ha!

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 11, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather see Brunette back than Tanguay, but if we’re bringing back former avs, why not go straight to the top and try to get Chris Drury?

by Jimmy_the_scumbag on Nov 11, 2009 5:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather not touch his contract…

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 11, 2009 6:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s just it both Tangs and Bruno are under 1.5$

by sandiegee on Nov 11, 2009 7:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not of the opinion that Bruno would be a good fit for this team, I just think his overall speed is just too slow for the youngsters we’ve got. He’d be a good additional to the PP, great presence in front of the net, but not sure if that’s enough.

by jd21 on Nov 12, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, I am not in favor of bringing Bruno back to the team we are fielding now.

Drury is pretty expensive. Tanguay much less expensive, but I’m not sold on the idea.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed, I am not in favor of bringing Bruno back to the team we are fielding now.

Drury is pretty expensive. Tanguay much less expensive, but I’m not sold on the idea.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 12, 2009 12:05 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

what do we call it when someone posts a reply twice? Jibbled squared?

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 12, 2009 1:03 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

He murfed it

2009-2010 Avalanche: The memo the 'experts' sent about sucking was lost en route.

by Drakenlot on Nov 12, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Jibblesquared is more like what I did a few games ago… jibbled the original comment, then jibbled my jibble comment. I thought that was pretty impressive.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 14, 2009 10:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

that’s like the sin of jibblesquared or something. well done, my lord. well done.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 14, 2009 12:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Drury

Made f’n bank on that contract

On the cup run, he only had two fewer playoff goals than Sakic as our third line center… Pretty amazing but intangibles and clutch aren’t toooo useful to us unless he rubs off on our lazy kids or we have a good shot in the playoffs.

Don’t get me wrong, my first jersey was #37, I just am too pessimistic about his return.

09

by wflan on Nov 13, 2009 2:56 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I love the guy, but

He’s way too injury prone. Another concussion last Sat. I suspect he’s getting close to retirement (and I mean within a year or so). He’s kinda turning into a Forsberg in that respect: mind willing, body not.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 13, 2009 8:39 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

what about grabbing

a guy like Horton from the panthers? or someone from the yotes?

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by DESTROYER on Nov 12, 2009 7:06 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Well, I didn’t know Horton was available until after I posted this. I don’t really know that much about him, since he plays in the biggest black hole in NHL. I know he had one or two good seasons, and he’s still young, but I’ve also heard talks about lack of effort and slow development curve. I’m also not sure how much it’ll cost to get him.

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 12, 2009 6:12 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Nathan Horton also had a slow start but seems to be scoring more as of late, playing on a line with Steve Reinprecht and Cory Stillman. I don’t think he’s available. But, he would definitely fit the mold of this Avs team: a fast, gritty power forward with a scoring touch. He’s played both center and right wing in his NHL career. But, he’s played better on the right side.

by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 16, 2009 10:20 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

My chief reason for raising the idea of Tanguay is not just that he’s a talented offensive player with a good shot who can complement Duchene, but also because he could be had rather cheaply without sacrificing our prospect pool. The excess Dmen we have are trading chips, but they are not chips that can land us jackpots (unless we run into another Mario Tremblay). I know we want a young, fast sniper who can click with Duchene and hustles, but would any team be willing to give up that kind of talent without costing us a leg and an arm? I’m not saying Tanguay is a perfect fit for us by any means; I’m mentioning him simply because he is the kinda player I expect us to be able to get on the trading market with low cost.

So I’m really interested in hearing what other people’s top choices are.

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 12, 2009 6:15 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

I like your reasoning. But, I don’t think that the Lightning would. They seem to have been pretty patient with Tanguay, knowing that he would start putting points on the board. I don’t think that they had ever given up on him. And now he’s starting to score.

Not only that, but the Lightning also have an excess of pedestrian defensemen, with 8 on their roster.

by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 16, 2009 10:23 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Well I’d like to think we can fool the Lightnings through flashy stats (like “block shots”) to show them that our pedestrian defensemen are better than theirs (which is true anyways). But yeah, this idea looks more and more unlikely as Tanguay is starting to heat up. Oh well, it was just an idea.

So what the hell are we going to do with the likes of Preissing and Salei?

I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.

by Shoeshiner on Nov 17, 2009 5:48 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

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