Game 22 Recap: Oilers 6 - Avalanche 4
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 18, 2009 10:38 PM MST
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And I'm a little bit rock 'n roll
I'm a little bit of Memphis and Nashville
With a little bit of Motown in my soul
I don't know if it's good or bad
But I know I love it so
I'm a little bit country
And I'm a little bit rock 'n roll
Divisive.
There is no Avalanche player on the roster today who is more divisive than Peter Budaj. Some guys come close (Brett Clark, for example), but Budaj takes the cake. When he plays, our normally kumbaya community goes to their respective corners. Some have faith in Budaj, no matter what happens on the ice. Others blame Budaj for every goal, no matter what happens on the ice.
In reality, Peter Budaj wasn't very sharp tonight. Then again, you can say that about pretty much everyone wearing an Avalanche unipron not named Duchene, Jones, Cumiskey or Hejduk. But Budaj is the goalie, and he's got to be better than that. He's certainly got to be better than the other goalie, especially when it's a backup WHO'S GOT A HYPHEN IN HIS NAME. Budaj wasn't.
So, Budaj detractors can do their little Tyler Weiman dance tonight and I, a devoted Budaj backer, won't complain. But I think you should know one thing: Budaj isn't the only reason we lost.
A funny thing happened tonight. Well, not "ha ha" funny, but I think you'll get the idea. Even though the Avs weren't playing at their best (perhaps due more to fatigue than anything else), they have a 2-gpal lead at the midway point of the game, thanks mostly to the 4 guys named two paragraphs up. When Kyle Cumiskey embarrassed Deslauriers to make it 4-2, the Oilers were pissed. And they started to unravel. They started cheap-shotting our players. Some, like the brutal Gilbert Brule board on Paul Stastny or about 3 cheap shots from Jason Strudwick, didn't get called. Others, like the Sheldon Souray cross-check across Wojtek Wolski's face, did. Edmonton was coming undone.
The Avalanche had two courses of action available to them. They could stoop to Edmonton's level of immaturity and give them the goon right back to them, or they could take the high road and convert on the 5 on 3 powerplays handed to them on a silver platter. Instead, Colorado went with option C - none of the above. I'm sorry, folks, but C is the wrong answer.
While I'm disturbed that the Avs could not score on the powerplay, I'm not really surprised. The Avalanche have made some strides in that area, but there's still lots of work to be done (obviously). The Avs have slipped to 16th overall in PP efficiency, and even Peter McNab is whispering in his company-mandated-shiny way that the team needs to get better there. What really gets me, though, is that the Oilers took shots at our players all night long and no one did a thing about it. David Koci? Planted firmly on the bench for the final 35 minutes of the game (does he even bother to come out of the locker room for the 3rd periods?). Cody McLeod? I know he played, because he was -4, but he certainly wasn't taking care of business. Tucker? Stewart? Anyone? This is really the one area where the Avs have taken a significant step backwards this year. Last year, someone would have stepped in when Stasny is getting slammed face first into the boards, or when Marek Svatos is getting cross-checked to the ice after three straight whistles. Is it as simple as missing guys like Lappy or Cody McCormick? Is it a coaching thing? I suspect it might be more of the latter, as Chris Stewart had about 5 fights at this point last year, while he just had his first one last night. And, of course, David Koci may be talented but he can't protect anyone from the bench. I'm all about playing disciplined hockey, but our guys have been getting pushed around all year and I'm sick of this team turtleing. I'm also angry that I don't know how to spell turtleing. Oh well.
I'll say this: if we lose 6-4 but I watched our tough guys answer the bell in the 2nd period, it would still be a loss, but I'd be much less disappointed in the team right now.
- Wolski - Stastny - Jones
- Tucker - Duchene - Hejduk
- McLeod - O'Reilly - Stewart
- Koci - Durno - Svatos
- Quincey - Hannan
- Cumiskey - Clark
- Preissing - Wilson
- The Avalanche won the faceoff battle for the 2nd straight game
- The McLeod, O'Reilly and Stewart line was a combined -9 with 2 shots.
The Avalanche are in Vancouver on Friday. Oh joy.
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He’s certainly got to be better than the other goalie, especially when it’s a backup WHO’S GOT A HYPHEN IN HIS NAME.
I see what you did there.
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Ahhh, Thanksgivingtime!
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is that an analogy of the season
are we done like dinner?
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
No, we’re just the cat who nestles readily in the pan.
by chibigodzilla on Nov 18, 2009 11:07 PM MST up reply actions
And if you look closer the cat has definitely been photochopped in.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 8:51 AM MST up reply actions
Man is it lunch time yet?
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
Chinese sounds good, though I think we’re having soup today (staff lunch/meeting)
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I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
i had a group project
and had to leave after the first period. Saw the score at 4-2 and was happy… so decided to get home to watch the game. And then I got home and checked the score—-6-4.
FUCK MY LIFE.
Oh and how about our shots? Did we freaking even have any?
by toothandnailer777 on Nov 18, 2009 11:10 PM MST reply actions
like..4
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
On the plus side delorean guy had a 77% save rate. Wait, he won. Downside. Fml.
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by wflan on Nov 19, 2009 2:19 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
He’s moderately talented at face punching, and that’s about it.
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He’s moderately extremely talented at receiving face punching, and that’s about it.
Fixed
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He’s quite tallented in blocking punches with his face.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
And I got to watch Lappy last night and cry a little cuz I miss him so. Ok, so I cried a lot…once I got home and saw this game.
How much is Koci getting paid anyway??
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
How much is Koci getting paid anyway??
anything over $1 is much too much
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
$575000
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
okay, so half of what Lappy wanted. still, it’s not like we don’t have the cap space for that other $600k. and WTF is with spending all that money on Preissing?? Someone fuck him up so he can go back on the IR. Please!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
(for the record, I’m not really wanting Preissing to get hurt. in case anyone was unsure on that.)
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:44 AM MST up reply actions
I’ll say this: if we lose 6-4 but I watched our tough guys answer the bell in the 2nd period, it would still be a loss, but I’d be much less disappointed in the team right now.
Yeah, gotta agree with you there
Get rid of the loser point
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If we lost 6-4 and our tough guys had answered the bell, and the offense had shot the puck, I’d be less disappointed.
You score four goals on the guy but only manage 18 shots…shoot it more!
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 8:55 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, this whole “totally out-shot in every game” thing is getting worse.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Koci
I respect the fact that Koci can’t do much unless he’s on the ice. But to be honest, he’s not gonna scare the guys you need to scare (Steve Ott, etc.). If the Avs are gonna play with a smaller, faster lineup they need somebody on the bench that can scare the Sean Avery’s of the league straight, just by being on the bench. Parros, Boogard, those names are scary enough that just putting them on the ice once or twice a game is enough. The Avs don’t need somebody who can fight, they need somebody who can BEAT PEOPLE UP.
That being said, the game wasn’t lost because Koci didn’t fight. The Avs had a firm hold on the game, but turnovers in their own end did them in. Preissing had several bad turnovers. During one goal against he was behind the net with no Oilers even close by. He can’t move the puck well enough to be effective offensively and he isn’t strong or fast enough to force turnovers defensively. Same for Brett Clark, thats why he gets so many blocked shots.
Finally, i swear i saw Scott Niedermayer on the ice for the Avs… He was wearing #10.
by San Diego Avs Fan on Nov 19, 2009 2:34 AM MST reply actions
I didn’t get to watch. Am I to understand that Tom “Never met a puck I couldn’t turn over” Priessing was playing? WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY?
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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 19, 2009 8:08 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Preissing was playing because Foote, Liles, and Salei are out with injuries.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 9:02 AM MST up reply actions
…and Martin Skoula was unavailable.
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Yea, it was a choice between Tom Pressing and Craig Wolanin and Sacco chose wrong.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
For all the good he's done so far,
I’m gonna lay Preissing at Sherman’s feet, not Sacco’s.
That being the case, I still think Sherm has had a very strong rookie season.
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for all the ruckus we raised in the off season, we sure havent pitchforked sherman for much…granted, it is only 20 games in, and being off to the start we are we don’t really need to..
does anyone else think a trade is in order? maybe for another winger/sniper who can play with dutchy.
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
I’d at least want to see what dallas wants for Brunstrom.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Anaheim seems to be colapsing, bring Selanne back?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
he’ll never come back. he will retire a duck. of that i’m sure. he’s the super joe of anaheim.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
i think selanne is the only guy keeping anaheim afloat…well him and getzlaf (i have him in my pool)
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
How about Ruutu from caralina, how about Svatos and Budaj for him?
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions
tell me that’s snark
i dont think i could support briniging ruutuu on board
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
not his brother, the good one.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions
tuomo is the tool
jarko is the good one?
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
Other way around
Tuomo is the good one, Jarko is the tool
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
No,
vice versa.
Though it was Tuommo that but the crappy hit on Slapchop that hurt him.
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the only bad thing he’s done.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions
i dont think ‘superpest’ is something we need this year
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
Even if he can score 25+ goals?
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions
And he apologized and seemed sincerely upset that Tucker was hurt. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on that one.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
he def was sincere in his apology. and the way the fans defended him…well, let’s just say they weren’t like the wings or wild homers we get around here.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
Didn’t he also personally call Tucker and apologize to him?
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart
yeah, he did. very classy.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
also classy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIyPjlqYAO4
oh wait. Ruutu is a leaper. :( Not as bad as his bro, but I’m still not a fan.
Until we give Galiardi about 8-10 games on a line with Dutchie & Duke, I think a trade for a winger is premature. I think Galiardi, much like Wolski, is a really good junior center who can play pivot in the NHL, but can also play a nice wing.
If Stoa is able to get his skating put together in the A, I’d like to see him tried on the 2nd LW too.
btw – I’m mostly convinced that Brunnstrom = Svats2.0. No thanks.
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if he gets healthy
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
it’s been said elsewhere on here but picking up pressings salary was part of getting quincey so it was worth it, it would be more worth it if he was getting his timing back in LE though.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:46 AM MST up reply actions
Eh
Preissing was “Salary Cap hit” in exchange for Ryan Smyth’s contract. It’s not Sherman’s choice to play him, and so far Sacco has played him:
a) to see how he played and
b) he’s out of defensemen
If he starts playing Preissing over Wilson, Cumiskey or even Clark (or Salei when he gets back) we can bring out the pitchforks. Last night his hands were tied.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
good point. will he have trade value at all now, tho?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
short answer: no
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions
I’m gonna lay Preissing at Sherman’s feet, not Sacco’s.
Can’t really blame Sacco at this point. After Preissing’s last game Sacco said he was still a work in progress and probably wouldn’t get a game for a little but (not quite in those words). The injury to Foote and not having Liles back yet didn’t leave Sacco any other option.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
I’d send Pressing on a conditioning trip to LE and bring up Peltier or any of the guys that filled in last spring. I"ll Let Pressing get a bit of a pass since he hasn’t played in forever before being thrown into the fire—don’t get me wrong he’s been brutal.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t think he can be sent down for “a conditioning assignment” since he is no longer injured and has played recently.
I may be wrong, but I think he has to be coming off of the IR, or not have played in a large number of games in order to be eligible for a conditioning assignment.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
besides, didn’t they do that already?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
it was like 1 game i think. I think that there is some way if you can go down because you hear about guys that have been scratches a lot then being sent on conditioning assignments
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 3:05 PM MST up reply actions
No, you can’t blame Budaj entirely for this game (though he himself blamed himself for the loss)…especially when the entire team just kinda went into a tailspin in the 3rd.
At the same time, I think it’s time to drop the 15-2-2 of 3 years ago as a benchmark defense for Budaj…because he is clearly not the same goalie he was back then.
And no, I am not pining for Tyler Weiman, though he is having a decent season so far (record not withstanding).
3 appearances aren’t enough to judge the Boods on…1 good game, 1 bad game, and one god awful game in relief of a whole team and other goalie that were also god awful.
At the same time, I think it’s time to drop the 15-2-2 of 3 years ago as a benchmark defense for Budaj…because he is clearly not the same goalie he was back then.
Not exactly the same team, either. I think it’s an excellent bench mark of what he’s capable of. And he looked that good in his first start of this season. Then last night he sucked. So what?
I just don’t see why Budaj is so damn divisive. In both of his weak performances this year, the team in front of him played like garbage, too. I haven’t seen a single person argue that the forwards and defense were amazing. Budaj is only as good as the team in front of him. In his two weak performances this year, the team in front of him was playing like ass.
This should not be a controversy.
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My biggest criticism of Peter Budaj has always been allowing that back-breaking goal that deflates the team. That happened a LOT last year…he could be playing like a world beater, let in a softee, and then it was over, his confidence in that game was shot, and it followed into the team. I saw a lot of that last night.
I will speak no more of Budaj through the rest of the year…though I still don’t get why criticism of him to most, means that I don’t root for him. I do, because I would rather see the team win, and don’t want anyone to fail (unless there is a winged wheel on their jersey)
Oh, I don’t care if anybody roots for him or not. There are players on this team I don’t like and won’t go out of my way to cheer for (Clark, Svatos) but I also won’t heap tons of shit on their heads when the whole team falls apart. No doubt about it, the goalie plays a far more important role than any one skater, but when Budaj plays poorly, the criticism always seems disproportionate to his contribution to the sucking. At least from my perspective.
Budaj has created the impression of allowing late deflating goals against, but the defense in front of him had a bad habit of disappearing late in the game, too. They were notoriously bad last season, when Budaj played the most games, which translates to a large negative impression simply due to greater exposure. I understand that.
At the end of the day, what matters is how well the team plays as a whole. If the Avalanche play well overall, Budaj has shown us that he will play well, too. He’ll have a bad game here and there, but generally he’s a solid backup. The Avs should know by now that they can’t rely on him alone to bail them out, so their effort should reflect this. It often doesn’t and it didn’t last night.
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the team definitely checked out of this one before Budaj did
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 19, 2009 7:11 AM MST up reply actions
Obviously that was Budaj’s fault.
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Agree
But those first two goals he let in were miserable.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 8:25 AM MST up reply actions
Sure, but considering the Avs scored four of their own, those two softies wouldn’t have mattered had the rest of the team kept playing in the third period.
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agree
It was a team loss, but those first two allowed Edmonton to stay in the game when they shouldn’t have been in it at all.
Budaj was awful last night, I realize others made mistakes. But, in my mind, Budaj was the worst player on the ice last night. (Preissing a close second, despite the nice assist)
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:10 AM MST up reply actions
i totoally agree with this post. exactly how i feel. Budaj is #1 culprit, many others close behind, and any of them could have saved this loss.
Three Spheres
(i.e. anti-stars) for the night
1 Budaj
2. Preissing
3. Desauliers
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
I thought O’Reilly played pretty well.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
on the PK, yes. I meant that line as a whole, only an ES thing. I think it was on the ice for like every goal against!
Not every goal, but pretty darn close.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
Sorry Jibbles, but I continue to have to disagree on the first goal. Two different guys were crashing the net and the defense didn’t pick either of them up. Sure if Budaj doesn’t allow a rebound there is no goal, but you can let two different guys crash the net untouched.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
It was a weak wrist shot that he had a clear line of sight on, and it got behind him. That’s a soft goal for an NHL goaltender.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, that one was a definite “doh” goal.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:42 AM MST up reply actions
what doesn’t help Boods is that Andy can and often does bail this team out (hence the nickname Bondsman that never caught on and can’t go into the glossary. /sigh). Budaj is not that kind of “miracle” goalie. Never really was, never really will be. He’s solid when he has a solid team, but next to the guy who made #1 star for April for doing snow angels at the perfect moment…well, Boods just can’t live up to it.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
News Flash: Goalies don’t pick and choose what goals they let in. To say he “allows” a back-breaking goal is ludicris. The 5 guys in front of him have to make mistakes or a series of mistakes before Budaj has any input on the play. And if the 5 turds in front of him aren’t doing anything to help, Jesus himself won’t be able to save everything.
It sounds like Budaj was playing with a beer-league team for most of the latter parts of the game last night. How much of the 3rd was spent in the Avs end of the ice? You can’t put that on Budaj.
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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 19, 2009 8:11 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
Agree totally with this
I watched NHL on the Fly this morning (my favorite show to do my hair to), and this was their analysis:
The Avs had no business even being close to winning this game. They were out-shot by the Oilers, and the defensive played a horrible game. These two issues are problems in the way the Avs have played all year and it is catching up with them. They also mentioned the Wilson hit and how that pissed off the Oilers and turned the momentum around. No mention of Budaj having a terrible performance; the emphasis of the analysis was on how poorly the offense and defense played.
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No mention of Budaj having a terrible performance
LOL WUT
BUDAI IZ TEH ZUXXXORZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sacco did not blame Budaj. Preissing is terrible turns over the puck as in the 5th puck the OIlers put in the net. Does not even get close to hitting anyone and so slow. Koci is not even close to making anyone pay the price. I think we should trade him for McCormick. Clark continues to shoot directly into the other player from the blueline so his shots are always blocked. Stewart I can’t figure out. He can’t win battles along the boards and does not go to the net. Our friend Wolksi was not seen in front of the net. Did he even shoot?
No recorded shots….
he did record a blocked shot, and had an assist in the game. He did do some good back checking early in the game as well. But like most of the team he seemed to disappear in the third.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
Wolski that is…
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
In the meantime (and mentioned in the game thread)…the headline from the Avs official site. (In full “that’s what she said” mode):
And what a pair
Yeah, the Duchene/Duke combination was killer. I just wish that revelation hadn’t come at the expense of Stastny. He disappeared again.
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Most definitely. Also helps the “the Avs need another sniper” argument, too. Hejduk is like 55 years old, he can’t be expected to carry all the goal-scoring weight.
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When I was at the Avs/Hawks game, I saw Hejduk and Duchene walking out of the locker-room after the Quenneville press conference…he may not be 55, but Hejduk standing next to Duchene was definitely looking at a “generation gap”
It still boggles my mind that kids born in the early 1990s are now almost 20 years old. I was born in the 70s. I might as well be in a nursing home.
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Stop wishing for geriatric tail.
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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 19, 2009 8:12 AM MST via mobile up reply actions
The Edmonton announcers were talking about how much energy Souray and a Visnoskiowtitz, or whatever his name is, it took to keep Stastny in tow. He always gets the top defensive pair, he just needs a winger.
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Even as a non-Budaj fan, I don’t buy this. Weiman has some pretty good stats in the AHL…but Budaj is still the NHL tested goalie and is usually good enough to get wins. I say stick with the proven commodity
Weiman
will most likely be the back-up goalie next year. You will get your look then.
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I actually think the Avs will try and move Boods at the trade deadline and look at Wieman this season. then they’ll make a decision on him as a backup or go after on in FA.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Weiman too
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
Agreed. Budaj has value in a trade, and hopefully the Avs can get a LW out of it. Probably the best thing for Budaj anyway.
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You're probably right
Budaj could use a fresh start somewhere else. Besides, Andy’s going to be the starter here (well more than likely)
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:43 AM MST up reply actions
I agree with the trade Budaj idea. It would make sense for the “rebuilding” Avs and would make sense for Budaj.
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i also think boods needs a change of scenery, but when/IF andy falls off the wagon in march/april, i dont trust weiman to tend the nets.
nor do i see any viable backups out there..but maybe im not paying enough attention
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I don’t think that we’ll see Weiman until next year because of his waiver status. Unless he is called up on an emergency basis due to injury, that is.
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 19, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
knock on wood dammit!!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 1:31 PM MST up reply actions
i don’t know what kinds of girls you’ve been with, but i sure as hell don’t knock on it! ;- )
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 4:01 PM MST up reply actions
lol
How exactly would that work?
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
i don’t have any idea…nor do i want to. lol.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
I agree with that (Weiman isn’t backup material) but Budaj just isn’t getting results, the games might not be his fault alone but the avs can’t keep throwing him out there and getting average to piss poor results. Put Budaj on waivers and let someone else have him and pick up Roloson from NYI for cheap with DiPetrio getting healthy they’ll want to move someone.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
I don’t think Roloson is going anywhere.
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Why keep hitting your head on against the wall with Budaj when there’s a lot of backups out there.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions
1. Roloson isn’t going to leave to play 7 games for the Avs, when he is playing solidly for the Islanders.
2. Why throw Budaj away when you can get something for him in a trade. He does have value in a trade (even though some think he is only worth a bag of pucks) so putting him on waivers would be a waste when the Avs could get something they need in a trade (like a LW).
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Roloson would play more here, I think anderson is playing so much because Sacco doesn’t trust Budaj.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
I bet he’s healthy enough to cash the checks he gets from that totally-not-a-giant-mistake 15-year contract of his.
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but Budaj just isn’t getting results
When, exactly, would he have had a chance to get these results? He’s played in three games this year. In the first, he played very well and beat a hot team decisively. In the next game, he was played in relief of Anderson who had ALREADY LOST THE GAME. In his next start, he played poorly, no doubt about it.
So one good start, one bad start, and a crappy relief effort after a crappy start by Jesus Anderson. I just don’t see how people can make such blanket pronouncements with such a tiny sample to base them on. Oh wait, this is a hockey blog. Never mind.
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Agree here
I have been hard on Budaj today, but it is, after all, one start. I want to see him bounce back from it, and think he will.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 10:24 AM MST up reply actions
the last two years. it’s hard but he’s not getting it done, it’s not entirely his fault but at the end of the day he’s getting the loss.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions
Boods as an “NHL tested goalie” has proven he is consistently inconsistent. Same team in front of Anderson and we get different results. It’s time for Weiman to get a chance.
I’d rather have a veteran.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 10:03 AM MST up reply actions
Okay, let’s throw out the “game that shall not be named” since Anderson sucked it up too and just look at the two games in which Budaj started.
A win; a loss. The score on the loss? Essentially 5-4 cuz he didn’t face the empty netter. That’s not a “throw him under the wheel-less bus” performance. Give him a couple more starts before making any kind of sweeping generalization about him. Please people. Stop the insanity!!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
Without the “game that shall not be named” Budaj has allowed 6 goals on 61 shots…a .902 SV%.
While not great it is pretty close to what he has had in his career. It also would have him even with Osbad and Huet so far this season, two guys that are starters for their respective teams. So is he a bad goalie, no. Is he a great goalie, no.
He’s a back-up and unless something chances that’s where he’ll remain throughout his career.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions
Random and strange fact…the Avalanche are 0-2 in games replayed later on the NHL Network. The first was the 8-2 Canucks drubbing…and this game replays this afternoon
That’s just Bettman trying to push the “Wheels Falling Off” mem proposed by his best friend James Mirtle.
/conspiracy
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I don't know about the US NHL Network...
but the Canadian one replayed the Wings-Avs game with Dutchy’s first goal the next day.
by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 19, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions
I forgot how well played this was Joe. I think you got me again.
http://www.milehighhockey.com/2009/4/1/818299/top-avs-of-all-time-5-tyler-arnason
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Happy to be of service.
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No. Just no.
This is a pathetically inaccurate, hypocritical and unprofessional piece.
bq. They started cheap-shotting our players. Some, like the brutal Gilbert Brule board on Paul Stastny or about 3 cheap shots from Jason Strudwick, didn’t get called. Others, like the Sheldon Souray cross-check across Wojtek Wolski’s face, did. Edmonton was coming undone.
What? Were you watching the same game I was? As in the one where Paul Stastny decided that apparently the response to being lined up for a hit is to turn at the last second? I have a thirteen-year-old son who played “AA” hockey and he probably could have taken that hit better than Stastny did. Strudwick? What? Can you tell us what they were, please? And finally, Souray. Souray’s was the only legitimate cheap shot you listed, but it certainly wasn’t “across the face” of Wolski. Get your facts straight.
Umm
Watch again, Edmonton was indeed being bitches for about 6:00 of the game. The repeated slashes to Svats, (and yes that was boarding on the Stastny hit.) And Sourays was obviously in Wolski’s face.
Sorry, but you’re just wrong on all your points.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
True.
There was copious post whistle douchery on the part of the Oil during the 5 on 3.
Shouldn’t be used an excuse for not scoring, but….
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Oh, thank you
I see that myself and the professional arbiters overseeing the game were merely confused as to what boarding is. Thank you for setting me (and them) straight, Jibblescribbits! Your knowledge is seemingly endless on the subject of hockey officiating.
In reality, according to the NHL rulebook section 6 (subsection 42):
Boarding – A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or
goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes
the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.
That was not the case. As I stated previously, Stastny turned his body in such a way that he forced Horcoff to either abort the hit or knock him into the boards. No referee would ever even consider calling that boarding.
A boarding penalty shall be imposed on any player or
goalkeeper who checks an opponent in such a manner that causes
the opponent to be thrown violently in the boards.
How in the world does that not describe that hit? The player turning is no excuse for a dangerous hit. I hate that excuse, it’s vilifying the victim with a “He was asking for it” defense.
You see numbers, you let up. Period. End of story. It was textbook boarding.
And Strudwick had three slashes and facewashes to Svatos after the whistle that were completely uncalled for on the 5 vs 3. It wasn’t like Svats was doing anything to anyone. He was standing there. He didn’t get in the goalies face or anything.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Really?
You’re best argument is that the hitter didn’t have enough control of his body function to let up?
High sticks are penalized all the time, even if the guy couldn’t have possibly not hit the guy in the face. Hell if your stick gets lifted and hits a guy in the face it’s a high sticking call. If you get sent to the ice by a check and your stick comes up and hits a guy in the face: 2 min for high sticking.
There’s a reason those high sticks are called, because calling them no matter what keeps guys from being careless with their sticks. And calling those boarding calls, even on split second decisions, will kepp people from being careless with their hit (which Brule was there).
I’m not calling for 5 minute major, not calling for suspension. A 2-min minor for boarding. He hit him in the back violently into the boards. That’s 2 min for boarding.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
Stop picking on the poor Oilers! They only scored six goals and won the game!
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whether it was a penalty or not is irrelevant. the crux of my argument wasn’t the Oilers are thugs. my point was that the Oilers were pushing around the Avs, including several plays that were questionable at best, and the Avalanche did not respond. we’re they all penalties? no. were they all cheap shots? no. Should someone from the Avs have returned the favor? hell yes, and that was the point I was trying to make.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 19, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
Agree there. Avs need a tough guy other than McLeod.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Avs need McLeod to start acting like a tough guy too. And Stewart.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 19, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Except McLeod and Stewart are supposed to be goal scorers.
Is it bad to say that this team really needs Lappy.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
No, it’s not bad to say we need Lappy, coz he’d be the ideal 4th line center here (I already have Galiardi at 2nd LW).
I’m pretty sure that Sacco has put the cuffs on both Stewie and Highlander this year, because they are both playing uncharacteristically meek hockey. I know we want to keep the penalties down coach (please speak to your boy Svats on that count), but damn!
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that’s my thought as well. and, frankly, it has me scratching my head
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 19, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
On top of that is McLeod’s eye injury totally healed? He might not be able to fight but he can certainly hit some people and play physically.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
I thought the bajillion hard cross checks
To Svatos after whistles during the 5-on-3 should have been called. But refs never have the nads to call those for some reason. It was like le Oil drank a serious dose of doucherade for a good 10 minutes or so there. And the Avs lost the game when they couldn’t make them pay for their douchery.
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 19, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
Bloody hell
First-time poster.
Forgive the failed blockquote.
Watching Budaj versus Anderson
One thing Anderson does do, imo, 100 times better than Budaj is control where his rebounds go and/or swallow up the puck. Sorry, DoB nation, but at times last night it looked like Budaj was wearing equipment made of flubber.
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 19, 2009 10:05 AM MST reply actions
100% agreed, but...
… what in god’s name is “flubber”?
From an old movie
This rubbery substance that basically generated an incredible amount of energy. Guys put in on their basketball shoes and were jumping 50 feet into the air. Had to be there ……
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 19, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Flubber even made a car fly if I remember right.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions
Defenders of Budaj, I assume.
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Like blogging defenders? As opposed to what Preissing is supposed to be doing?
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Maybe he’s confused and thinks he’s matadores and letting those forwards go right on by…ole.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
Nah,
even matadors get close to the bulls. Close enough to touch them with a cape (or stick) anyway. Rarely was Preissing so well positioned last night.
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I’m sensing a nick name out of this, ‘blind matador?’
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
He’s more like a rodeo clown. He stays away from the action, then rushes in to pretend like he’s helping when it’s already too late.
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No.
Rodeo clowns are brave. They help their compatriots.
No.
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Good point.
How does El Matador strike everyone?
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for preissing? matadors are too cool for him…and quite frankly, pretty brave mo fos for putting themselves up against a big ass bull.
i vote for R.C. for rodeo clown. and for RC Cola…tries to look like it belongs but just doesn’t cut it.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 6:07 PM MST up reply actions
'Kay,
I think that we’ve established that both matadores and rodeo clowns are too cool a descriptor.
How about Tollbooth? An ineffectual barrier that only stops someone if they are willing to be stopped and in the end lets them through anyway by raising its ineffectual stick to allow them to go their merry way.
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So many key things went wrong last night in exactly the way a young team does things wrong. Several Avalanche players are quoted as saying you have to take a one goal lead in to the 3rd period and win that game or at least get a point. While that is true, the secret sauce to this horrible brew was concocted in the second period.
That goal by Brule was a bad goal by Budaj and everyone knows it. Fine, but what makes things worse in this situation is that Budaj continues to have horrible reactions to goals. He’s not mad, he’s sad and you can feel the depression from 3,000 miles away. I can see it, his teammates can see it and by God the other team sees it as well. Budaj may talk a good game on the bench and be a great teammate but in a game situation he turns in to silent Buddha. That’s a Bizzaro version of Craig Anderson. I know from going to games and even hearing it on a broadcast that Andy talks, a lot. He’s talking to his teammates constantly and when he’s pissed off he’s letting the refs and opposing team know it. That goal by Brule was a good shot he’d like to have back. But that goal was just so depressing when it didn’t have to be. I think with the absense of Foote AND Anderson on the back end you lost a lot of communication. When Boods lets in a stinker it was like the difference of farting in the Dentist waiting room or the frat house lobby. One can be laughed off, the other is going to linger.
From here on in, guys are trying to do a little bit more. Jones single-handedly lifts moral with a perfect shot, Cumiskey makes another pefect shot and the Avs should be rolling. Then with a piss poor effforts to clear the puck and no time left in the second Edmonton scores off a huge rebound. That’s not what good teams do. Between all the cheap shots absorbed by the Avs and two gut punch goals it was a total momentum shift. It didn’t matter if the Avs had a one goal lead going in to the third, confidence and energy (in the back to back) was going to suffer.
Ryan Wilson, I just want to say to you that you did not deserve that -2. You played fricken great hockey last night. Your partner Preissing played another poor game. Why does it work better when you play with Clark? Well, not because Clark is some kind of great defeneseman but he can skate the puck out of the zone while you have a good first pass out of the zone (when you’re not sending it up the middle young man). With Preissing, he’s trying to chip it to help and doing so with his back to the play. Clark is again becoming the victim of his positive press with shot blocking. Blocking shots is a nice perk when it happens because you’re out of position. But do you know what the key is to a blocked shot? The shooter, got to…. shoot the puck. A brilliant observation, I know. People can bitch all they like about Budaj’s rebound control but guess what has even worse rebound control? That’s right, shin guards and skates. Clark and Cumiskey are oil and water. Both want to skate the puck and neither wants to be fist to the puck. Cumiskey and Foote work because Foote makes passes out of his zone, he’s always staggered behind Cumiskey coming out of the zone to support him on the puck or cover a turnover etc… He compliments the forwards coming out of the zone while Clark and Cumiskey want to BE forwards coming out of the zone.
Last thing I’m going to rant about that I’m sure will raise the blood pressure of David by 10 points… Wolski on the point for the power play. The deffinition of insantity is.. well, you know. I got a big fat, huge hint for Coach Sacco. The forward at the point isn’t a totally insane idea. However your 3rd overall pick in the draft built a statistical monument at the OHL by playing point on the power play. What are the differences between Wolski and Duchene at the point point if we just ignore the past results? First of all Wolski is not a good transition skater. That’s a liability for shorthanded goals against. He’s slow back to the puck even when there’s not line change. Wolski is a deliberate decision maker at the point. The puck gets stuck on his stick and you get the feeling he’s trying to juke the defense with some sort of Jedi mind trick while holding the puck and not moving his feet. Duchene is 1. Fast, 2. an excellent transition skater 3., a good passer and 4. Never lets the puck sit on his stick for long. He may not have a booming slap shot but then again, he may? I wouldn’t put it past him.
So, the cliff not version? Cumiskey + Clark = Bad. Preissing + NHL (for now) = Bad. Wolski on the point = Bad. Budaj’s brooding after goals against = Bad. The first two lines doing what they are paid to do and winning faceoffs = great! It’s a shame that when the first two lines start to roll and build off each other, we have a stinker on the back end.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Longwinded good stuff as always Dario.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 11:34 AM MST up reply actions
Many great points here
Clark is someone else who just kills any motion on the PP, imo. I thought his inability to quickly move the puck, and to close the box, on the 5-on-3s helped to kill them as much as anything that Edmonton did.
Preissing looks a lot more like the player who played his way out of LA than the one who earned his big contract. Unfortunately. Meaning they won’t be able to move him to anyone who, you know, has “scouts” and “film” and stuff.
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 19, 2009 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Clark on the PP
definitely helped kill it. Seemed like him being a lefty on the left point had a lot to do with that. he had to work that little extra to do anything but pass down low on his side.
Get rid of the loser point
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There was a time before his shoulder injury where Clark would just fire shots…why is it that when you are put on the point on the Avalanche powerplay, you just completely forget how to shoot (or shoot quickly)?
And those 5 on 3's...
…is when you should have 4 forwards on the ice, IMO. Get guys to close the box and fire away. They had 4 forwards on the ice for the 5 on 4 power play and as soon as they get a 5 on 3, they stick two defensemen out there!
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 19, 2009 3:54 PM MST up reply actions
If your defender are going to shoot the puck I don’t have a problem with having 2 out there…but when you’re 5 on 3 becomes a “let see how many passes we can make before we lose the puck” there’s no reason for any of the players to be there.
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by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 3:58 PM MST up reply actions
When Boods lets in a stinker it was like the difference of farting in the Dentist waiting room or the frat house lobby. One can be laughed off, the other is going to linger.
Which one can be laughed off and which one is going to linger?
by Dan Winkler on Nov 19, 2009 6:57 PM MST up reply actions
Svatos
I’m concerned about him not hitting twine with multiple solid opportunities on those 5-on-3s. Maybe the Oil goalie had his number, but in that situation we need shots that either go in or bounce hard enough off the goalie to create a rebound. Svats did neither.
The offensive plan was obviously to get him the puck in that situation, but perhaps a grinder type might fit the bill better.
Agree. At least on a few of those, if seemed like he had more time to do more than what he did. Pull it over to his backhand? He didn’t get cross checked until well after his shots on all occasions. Actually, not even until after the whistle.
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by Bob in Boulder on Nov 19, 2009 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
At least one of those times he got the puck alone in the slot, all he had to do was pass to a WIDE OPEN Hejduk for an empty netter. His lack of vision is one of my biggest complaints about him, but man was that a glaring example of his inability.
he and budaj could use a fresh start anywhere else.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 11:48 AM MST up reply actions
This
One of the things I found most frustrating bout the 5 on 3 failfest last night was the apparent refusal to use the LW in the play. At all.
Effectively, this was a 4 on 3 in which the LW (can’t even really tell you who it was since he was out of the TV frame most of the time was completely ignored – by both the Oil and the Avs – and undoubtedly had an open goal on which to shoot, but lacked a certain something….
oh yeah, the PUCK!
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Side note: the term “5 on 3 Fail Fest” rolls right off the tongue. I hope we never have to use it again, but if we do, at least it sounds good.
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You know, Svats only job on this team is “score goals”If he can’t do that from in front of the net with no one harassing him, not really sure what else to say.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 12:03 PM MST up reply actions
Can’t say anything that we haven’t been saying all season. He’s just not doing his job anymore. Goodbye.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Better yet,
Welcome to (insert NHL city here)! You’d better step up, since we traded a good portion (meaning say, a 2nd and a 6th) of next year’s draft for you!
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.
Done.
Where’s he headed?
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.
Nashville could probably use Svatos too.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 20, 2009 7:27 AM MST up reply actions
I say
we package him with one of Salei/Clark, one of Hensick/Stewart, and a 3rd or 4th rounder to get Versteeg and Sopel from the Hawks. Not that I want Sopel, but taking him would sweeten the pot for the Hawks. They clear a bunch of cap space for next year, allowing them to re-sign their big three, and the Avs get a young winger for Dutchy.
by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 20, 2009 12:05 AM MST up reply actions
Not a bad idea,
Svats & Clark are close to a net salary push for CHI for Versteeg & Sopel. Taking on Hensick (you may NOT have Stewart!) burdens them by a further $850K. Granted Clark & Svats come off the books at the end of the year and you do propose a 3rd/4th in addition, but I’m not sure it makes a great deal of sense for them.
I do like how it looks for us though!
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.
Not a bad idea, except if we are in the mind set that we want to try and snatch one of their big three in the off season. Oh wait, we don’t do that, we only look within the Organization.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 20, 2009 12:00 PM MST up reply actions
My assumption
is that the big three are going to be signed in the next week or so, but the word is the Hawks have too much salary committed to their cap next year (the CBA doesn’t allow you to have more salary committed for next year than this year’s cap; the difference between the two is called the “tagging room”).
Replacing Sopel and Versteeg with expiring contracts means ~$5M opens up in both next year’s cap and the tagging room.
Basically, I’m working under the assumption that the Hawks want to get the big three signed ASAP, and as a result are desperate to move some ‘10-’11 salary.
I wouldn’t really want to give up Stewie either, but if we could turn him and some expiring contracts into Kris Versteeg, I’d do it in a heartbeat.
by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 20, 2009 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
my dearest savage,
what did i do to make you mad? lord savage, please have mercy on me!
my day thus far (and remember, it’s barely after noon here PST): woke up with a sty in my eye and a deep chest cough. drove to the doctor but the off ramp i needed was closed…of course they didn’t put any sign up to indicate it was closed until i was right at the stupid thing. like they even needed a sign with the gazillion cones around. so i had to drive to the next exit which was almost 2 miles away. but i couldn’t get right back on the freeway cuz that onramp was closed too. i had then to drive all the way around the long beach airport to get to the street i needed. finally made it to the doctor’s office. the minute he walks into the exam room, though, he’s being an absolute asshole and treating me like i’m bothering him for even being there. after being insulted, disrespected and berated by my doctor, my car’s transmission started wigging upon leaving. went to the dealer and was told the diagnostics alone would take all day. so i have to miss work (which happens to be the last day of one of my favorite students). dropped prescription off at pharmacy but was told the meds needed to be ordered and wouldn’t be in until tomorrow. when i finally get home, i plop down on the couch to find a movie to watch and realize i bought the wrong type of ice cream, dammit. then, when i turned on the TV, what materialized before my eyes?? Center freaking Ice replaying last night’s debacle. Not only that, but it tunes in right at that 5th goal. Just to rub salt in the wound and all.
so, savage, please tell me what sorts of amends i must make for you to cease the rain of holy annoying crap you have coming down on me today. grrrrrr.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 1:29 PM MST reply actions
Sorry Beachie! Hope you day is better tomorrow (or at least doesn’t get any worse today).
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions
I’m going out on a limb here, but you might be paying for all those sinful desires you have. But I don’t know if this is an Old Testament Savage we’re talking about or a New Testament Savage.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Something tells me Savage is ok with sinful desires. Perhaps it’s the fact that he’s not on the receiving end of those desires that’s bothering him…
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 4:04 PM MST up reply actions
If there is a guy with a voodoo doll he’d better get ready to run, I hear Beachie’s a BMF when she’s angry.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 3:01 PM MST up reply actions
could have been worse, what if you woke up with this next to you:
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 19, 2009 3:11 PM MST up reply actions
Then Beachie would know
she is officially in hell.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
I wonder if Beachie has ever been THAT drunk?
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
The answer to that question is...
No. At least I don’t think so anyway…hmmmm, damn rum.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
This is a pic of
Tyler Arnasons reaction to Beachie asking if he “wanted to initiate some contact”
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
It's called Hockey
“I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out”
It’s hockey for crist sake! We need to have toughness or we will get nowhere in the playoffs if we get beat up and pushed around like that. I don’t blame Edmonton for playing like they did, but we HAVE to put them away either by fighting back or scoring on those powerplays.
Let’s score the goals AND fight back!
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