Puck Daddy Better Be Glad October Is Over
by Joe Dunman on Nov 19, 2009 9:45 AM MST
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PrintOne thing Avalanche fans are keenly aware of is the general demeanor of Red Wings fans. To say that they are overwhelmingly hostile and defensive is saying far too little.
Last night the refs blew a no-goal call during a Detroit game. It has to be one of the worst calls in recent NHL history. Even though I love to see misfortune befall Les Ailes whenever possible, that kind of call was painful for any hockey fan to watch.
Greg Dubs at Puck Daddy posted about the call and made it extremely clear that he, too, thought it was an atrocious fail by the officials. However, he also included this paragraph at the end:
Beyond Detroit losing a goal, the worst thing about this situation is that it'll provide further fodder for the tin foil hat society among Wings fans (link to Excluding Zetterberg removed --Joe), who are convinced that Gary Bettman and the NHL and the Illuminati and the Stonecutters are all conspiring in some secret cabal to undermine their franchise. Because what business would want one of its most popular, ratings-driving, star-studded franchises to, you know, succeed?
Oops.
Of course, with no sense of irony at all, dozens of Red Wings fans took the bait and made angry, conspiracy-laden comments to his post.
As we at MHH are aware, the second you criticize the Red Wings fan base, you've pretty much signed your own death warrant. Puck Daddy better be glad it's already November, because his house could have been number one on the Devil's Night to-do list, if you know what I mean.
ADDENDUM: Yeah, this isn't going to help at all. Greg just named Detroit's Game 5 loss to the Penguins in overtime during the 2008 Finals as the "Best Hockey Game of The Decade." Sure, the Wings went on to win the Cup, but still.
(Seriously, though, Sykora called his game-winning goal. BAD ASS.)
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Like he pointed out when commented on by C3powopo or whatever the hell his name is…his bias clearly shows
Where was this when we named Wings team of the decade?
these are the same les alies fans that think game 7 of last years SCF was rigged
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
Dude
They think any game that Les Ailes lose is rigged in some way.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
I’m really glad we’re not that deluded. I mean, the strong start this year has already made us kind of annoying (sorry Mirtle), but sucking really bad last season sure gave us some perspective. Us being the fans, that is.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
If I'm ever a quarter as deluded as an Les Ailes fan
I give everyone here permission to shoot me.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
But will this statement hold up in court when we are all charged with the shooting>
“See your honor, we had his permission!”
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
Well, our resident lawyer just agreed to it so it must be legally binding.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
See his lawyer speak though – ‘can do’ doesn’t mean ‘will do’, therefore he legally bound to essentially nothing but having the ability to shoot someone in said situation above
True!! nice catch. But that’s why I leave the legal stuff up to the people that come after me.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
Man
It’s a good thing it’s nearly impossible to get that deluded.
Damn gun nuts.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
it’s because of the fungus from the dilapidated buildings and smoke from the fires…detroit fans have selective and very short term memories due to loss of brain functioning.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions
You are probably wrong though in assuming that most of them even had a brain to begin with.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions
“As we at MHH are aware, the second you criticize the Red Wings fan base, you’ve pretty much signed your own death warrant.” – That’s a warrant I’m always willing to sign
Shouldn’t you be somewhere telling professional columnists to lavish praise on a team that is currently tied with the Islanders in points?
by Dixomatic on Nov 19, 2009 11:01 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Admiral…just by looking, is a Blackhawks fan…and agreeing with Joe. Since the Wings and Islanders both currently have 23 points
It confused me at first, too.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Apparently you havent been seeing all the news coming from Long Island – youth domination, fan turnout trouble, new rink. Plus you can do this type of comparison with any team compaired to any other team (anyone can turn the facts for their favor – watch).
Sure they both have 23 points:
-The Isles have played 2 more games and have 7 overtime losses (NHL leaders). – Advantage Det.
-The Isles are way under .500 with a record of 8 wins and 13 losses (OT loss is still a loss). and what about Detroit, they are above .500 at 10 wins and 9 losses – again advantage Det.
-The number of questionable goalies needed to “compete”: Detroit = 2; Isles = 3
See, anyone can be Michael Moore
your logic is cutting into our snark factor.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 1:58 PM MST up reply actions
-The number of questionable goalies needed to "compete": Detroit = 2; Isles = 3
You’re absolutely right. That’s certainly a point of pride to fall back on.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 2:07 PM MST up reply actions
“Hey man, back off. We only need two shitty goalies to be just below the playoff line.”
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Please note,
that this admission should in no way inhibit the installation of our top (shitty) goalie in the Hall of Fame.
First ballot, no doubt.
Best. EVAR!
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.
Well if Osbad is Hall material with a career .906 SV%, then Budaj can’t be far behind with a .902 career SV%, am I correct? All he needs is to be on the bench far a Stanley Cup win or two and he’s golden.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 19, 2009 5:25 PM MST up reply actions
You’re always willing to sign your own death warrant?
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Oh wait, I get it. Because you’re always willing to criticize the Wings fan base. Gotcha!
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
geez
I thought that comment was pretty clear. this (drawing the ire of the Red Wing fans) is something that both of our teams enjoy doing
by The Admiral on Nov 19, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry I missed it!
The best part of drawing Wings’ fans’ ire is that they then try to deny that we’re worth their ire.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
FWIW
I got it straight off the bat. I was confused about what everyone else was saying, actually.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 19, 2009 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
Me too actually, but I didn’t want to go up against Joe by myself
;)
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
Hey, I realized I flubbed it and said I was sorry!
I’m not a mean person. I SWEAR.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
lol
we know, just yankin your chain a little
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
I think that’s the first time I ever understood something and got to explain it…though apparently I didn’t do a good enough job. That explains why my kids always give me that “huh?” look
Well...
I your defense, one of your kids doesn’t really understand a whole lot of what you say yet, and the other is in the age of obstinance that will last until his 24th b-day.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
I, for one, couldn't be happier
Brad May deserved this.
"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson
The only way it could be better is if it was Bertuzzi.
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.
by Rather Dashing on Nov 19, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions
And then the ref justified the ruling with “It is what it is.”
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart
by smoky201 on Nov 19, 2009 3:36 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
rec'd
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Nov 19, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions
Like I said in the fanshot
This ‘intent to whistle’ rule is the big load of crap.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
Understatement city. Anybody know when they came up with that crap? It’s a recent invention, right?
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
I don’t think it’s too recent, but I could be wrong. At any rate, I don’t think it’s a bad rule, but there is certainly room for flagrant cover up usage, like here. That was a blatant CYA. Toronto should have overruled the on ice guys, but I don’t think they can with the Intent rule.
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
You don’t think it’s a bad rule? Wouldn’t a rule that says “either the whistle blew or it didn’t” make more sense, or at least be easier to enforce and officiate? Seems like the extremely subjective “intent” rule just complicates things way more than necessary.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
I understand it
I mean how many times has the puck been under a goalie and people are whacking at it, the ref goes to blow the whistle and fumbles with it. The puck goes in, but the ref clearly meant to blow the whistle.
That said in this case it’s almost egregious. I say almost because it’s the wings getting screwed, which makes it a great call.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 2:16 PM MST up reply actions
It’s not like they carry the whistles on long strings around their necks. I’m not buying the “whistling iz 2 hrd” excuse.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Just saying
That’s the reason behind it, and I know as a soccer ref there’s been a few times I had a late whistle because i had a hard time getting it to my mouth, for whatever reason.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions
i had a hard time getting it to my mouth, for whatever reason.
TWSS.
Too easy.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
There's a reason the whistle is strapped on their wrist
For this exact excuse. Really, you have to be a complete retard to fuble with it.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
Jibs, I think Drakenlot just called you a retard.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
I stand by my statement.
Seriously, how can someone screw up putting a whistle, thats right next to their finger, into their mouth and blowing?
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
It takes time. You don’t instantly see something, and then instantly blow the whistle.
there’s reaction time, and for most people that’s around .2 seconds, plus the time it takes you to move your arm to your face.
Then there’s processing time. Reaction is when a puck flies at your head and you move, but if you’re making a judgement, which they are, it takes a moment to concentrate and make sure you saw what you think you saw. There’s hesitation there.
That can add up to a second or even two.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 19, 2009 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
Plus, there is a transmission delay for the evil mind control waves emanating from Bettman’s office to reach the ref and instruct him to screw over the greatest team of all time. Kinda like a satellite phone.
/takes off tinfoil hat
Eeeew. I think I need a shower after typing that, sarcasm notwithstanding.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.
Here’s an example of why it’s a good rule.
Leighton clearly had frozen the puck, and the only reason it came back into play is because Hagman was pushed into him. Now the Ref made a couple of mistakes here:
a) not whistling when Leighton actually covered the puck (more on thsi in a second)
b) not calling interference/roughing on the Canes player who pushed hagman into Leighton
c) waiting until after the puck went into the net to blow the whistle even though he clearly had it at his lips well before that.
However, This in no way should have been a goal, Leighton froze the puck. If you change the rule to “when the ref blows the whistle” You’re going to see an awful lot of quick whistles when there shouldn’t be one.
In this case the Ref may have been waiting to see if Leighton had made a mistake in freezing the puck (or tried to play it) before blowing the whistle, and then it squirted free, and it took him a second, or two to process that before blwoing the whistle. (It’s also possible he had a poor angle on it and was hoping/waiting for the other ref to blow the whistle, then realized he needed to make the call.
While the hesitation in this case was too long, the point is that refs, like players, hesitate too and allowing the “intent to blow the whistle” rule allows them to make the correct call based on their hesitation. Had this case been “when the ref blew the whistle” that would have been a goal, despite the fact that no sane person would argue it should have been based on the events in the game.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 20, 2009 9:07 AM MST up reply actions
Actually, that's not entirely accurate
It’s a ring. Worn on the finger.
"I intend to kick your ass today." - Denver Broncos legend Tom Jackson
In other news, it looks like the wheels have fallen off in Calgary.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
You say this only because you are too dumb to understand statistics.
If you read the recap at M&G, you will learn that this is simply a case of Chicago being unbelievably lucky in beating a vastly superior Calgary team.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.
and Armageddon is apparently upon us as well...
Phadouche actually fought in that game. Though by “fought,” I of course mean that he took a run at Seabrook, dropped the gloves first, and still didn’t take his helmet off.
by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 20, 2009 12:00 AM MST up reply actions
The scary part? Hossa is due back for the Hawks on this trip and is expected to skate on a line with Toews and Kane. I mean, I don’t like Hossa as much as the next guy, but that’s a potentially SCARY line. Good thing we are just about done with the Hawks (until April…then playoff time)
Seriously, Kane-Toews-Hossa is kind of intimidating. Especially to cab drivers.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Very intimidating
Adding Hossa basically guarantee’s that the Hawks are going to be the Clarence Campbell winner, but at least the Stanly Cup winner will remain a mystery.
The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 20, 2009 7:24 AM MST up reply actions
but at least the Stanly Cup winner will remain a mystery.
I see what you did there.
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Ehhh,
cab drivers don’t know who they are. Which of course could spawn it’s own set of problems.
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
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