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I would like to extend a not-so-fond welcome back to the 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche offense. Last year's inept squad had been absent in early October, but has returned with a bang. The squad is averaging an anemic 2 goals a game over the last 5 games, a pathetic 19 shots a game over the last 3 games and has gone 5 straight games without a power play goal. The proverbial "icing on the cake" of course, was getting shut out by Andrew Raycroft last night.

Officials for the 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche offense originally claimed the group was away hiking the Appalachian Trail. It has since been revealed that the 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche offense had been in Argentina with a mistress. Unfortunately, the 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche offense has indicated that it does not intend to resign and, in fact, intends to be a more integral part of the club going forward.

Fans of the team are on record with the following statement: "uh-oh".

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Like I said this morning…who didn’t see that shut-out coming from a mile away.

It seems that when this team loses it’s “heart and soul” and/or “character guys” (Cody Mac, The other TJ) that they just lose that “luster.”

Phoenix next…Mac supposed to be back

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 5:54 AM MST reply actions  

so the eye-Mac has been fixed?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 2, 2009 6:01 AM MST up reply actions  

http://www.instantrimshot.com/

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 2, 2009 6:23 AM MST up reply actions  

As far as I’m concerned, the wheels have fallen off and the season is pretty much over. 10-3-2? AWFUL.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 7:57 AM MST reply actions  

Come on…the “experts” said so…just give up your fantasies

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:06 AM MST up reply actions  

/Sarcasm

The most awesome thing about this season so far is that now-second-place Vancouver still has to win two games and the Avs have to lose two just for the Canucks to be TIED for first place in the Northwest.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 8:18 AM MST up reply actions  

I got the sarcasm, and was giving it back….for those who read this stunning conversation later

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh, I know. I just added the “/Sarcasm” tag to indicate I was taking a break from it to add a serious comment.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 8:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, it’s been a long morning…my 3-year-old didn’t get the time change concept over the weekend, and my 3-month-old decided that he needed a bottle 10 minutes before my 3:30 AM work wake-up call. Coffee is my friend

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

Hang in there. At least you’ll probably get home before the sun goes down. I won’t get home before sunset until some time in March.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I understand completely. My 2ry old thought he should be bright awake and running around the house at 6:00am while I was trying to drag myself into getting ready for work.

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions  

Can they just move the avs down in the standings already, I know they have the most points in the league, but just put them in the basement already.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 2, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions  

A serious note: I’m really glad I missed the last two games due to their late start times and prior, more-fun engagements.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 8:42 AM MST reply actions  

I go to mexico for 5 days and they win like 4 games, I go to the mountains for the weekend and they can’t score (or they score like I do with the ladies /rimshot). So, anyone want to pitch in and send me back to Ixtapa?—-It’s for the good of the avalanche and I promise I won’t have a good time—-

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 2, 2009 2:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Never ever put “ladies” and “rimshot” that close to each other in a sentence again.

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 2, 2009 2:18 PM MST up reply actions  

listen to the man

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

sort of jibbled…UD listen to Bob

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I read the thing about 5 times before I figured out it was meant to be harmless.

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 2, 2009 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I am funny and/or inapproperate more times unintentionally then I am on purpose.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 2, 2009 2:41 PM MST up reply actions  

LOL

I was there when they lifted #19 to the rafters. Were you?

by gl avfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Fair Weather Rans

Here they come…. Come on guys it’s only 2 losses at the end of a very long stretch of road games. Add up the injuries, long road trip and ohhh yeah we weren’t suppossed to be in first place anyway and this is what you get. I look at it this way just like with the Broncos you can’t win them all it would be nice but it doesn’t happen. The boys will bounce back and I will still be routing for them and staying up late, do to living in NC, to watch every game!!!

by BryceLeo on Nov 2, 2009 8:44 AM MST reply actions  

Who you calling fair weather? Nobody’s going anywhere. If we could all survive last season, a couple of lousy defeats this season won’t send anybody running.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m missing the “fair weather” nature of anything….unless you are talking about the clear sarcastic nature of almost everything in the post

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m okay with the two losses.

I’m worried about the offense, though.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 2, 2009 9:17 AM MST up reply actions  

Reassurances: they’re heading back home, injured players are returning, Sacco doesn’t seem like the kind of coach that will long tolerate this crap.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions  

but he can’t will pucks into the net. I know I’m kind of a wet blanket here, but I’ve felt all along we’re going to struggle to score goals. the team can work harder, but it may not mean more scoring.

Sacco’s AHL teams weren’t offensive juggernauts either

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 2, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions  

if duchene will take more shots from the circles and not crash the net (his wrist shot is way better than his redirects) if wolski crashes the net more, we get cody mac back, and tucker eventually to help duchene’s shots from the outside, i think we’ll have a better chance of scoring… as for stastny and hedgeduck… we can only hope they start showing up more.

by Uziel on Nov 2, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree with you here

The Avs need to get more shots. In the last three games they’ve only broken the 10 shots in a period barrier once, 3rd period in SJ, and in 2 of the least 3 games the Avs have less than 20 shots.

We can rip the critics all we want, but if the Avs are going to make a habit of getting less than 20 shots per game… they are going to lose a lot of games.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 2, 2009 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

McNab really called the Avs out on this during one of the power plays, where they didn’t have even 1 shot on net. He basically said they were trying to be too pretty and they just needed to keep shooting the puck to the net and look for rebounds.

Yeah, McNab has been more “critical” this season and I like it a lot better. He is the type of person who can say something negative but in a more matter of fact way.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

He basically said they were trying to be too pretty and they just needed to keep shooting the puck to the net and look for rebounds.

He’s right too. They are being too pretty at times.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Paging the Highlander

ugly goals are his specialty.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 AM MST up reply actions  

I think the Avs really miss him, and Galiardi and Tucker for that matter.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

can you even believe we’re saying the Avs are missing Tucker…and meaning it??

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

It makes my head hurt just thinking about it.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Lappy ate ugly goals for breakfast

Ugly goals were Lappy’s soup du jour. If I recall his quote correctly… “Sometimes you gotta get those goals that are as ugly as my face.” Still missing that guy :(

The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart

by smoky201 on Nov 2, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Duchene in particular, which I think is more of his problem than trying too hard

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

They are headed, home, but will be going right back on the road. And will end November/start December with another long ( 5 or 6 game) road trip.

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 AM MST up reply actions  

No kidding

It’s not like we stopped watching and posting here last season and used some lame “Law School” excuse.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 2, 2009 9:38 AM MST up reply actions  

zing!

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Sarcasm

Yes i was being sarcastic and relaying to the sarcasm on here. It’s nice to be on a blog where everyone isn’t jumping off the bandwagon at the first sign of a loss or 2 in a row. If you go to the AVs website and get on the message board there it’s already starting. I’m just happy to see where we are now and see what kind of future we have in store. Personally anything better then last place in the Western Conference is an improvement and better then what was predicted!!!

by BryceLeo on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

yea, they sure did suck last night. they were the suckiest group of sucks ever. I have to go my damn weiner kids are here.

3 losses total on the year and coming home with 2 days off to get ready for phoenix…I’m not overly concerned.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 2, 2009 2:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Budaj Anderson Vs Raycroft…Clash of the Titans!

Oops, guess that didn’t work out so well. 3 goals on 20 shots – not such a great night for Mr. Anderson.

Of course, I don’t mean any of this shit, but I just had to do it for the benefit of everyone who WOULD have done it had Budaj been in net last night. Thank God he wasn’t, cuz it means I don’t have to spend the day reading this kind of this stupid nonsense.

Not a great night for any of the boys in Burgundy and Blue. I am actually glad Anderson had an off night and didn’t bail them out. The entire team needs to play a lot better, and having an embarrassing performance like last night will hopefully slap them into reality a little.

Rebuild team with injuries is going to mean inconsistent play. Hopefully, they will review the video of the game and realize they need to actually play some defense and shoot the puck to the net.

Better games to follow!

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 2, 2009 8:52 AM MST reply actions  

At the same time…last night was one of those classic “defensive breakdown” games we saw oh too many time last year.

I start to think that there are games where the Avs are so pressed to try and be “perfect” defensively, that they forget there is another (offensive) side to the game.

Ans at the same time, though Raycroft did end up posting the SO…the Avs hit 3 posts? So things could easily have gone the other way, even with the crappy overall effort.

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 8:57 AM MST up reply actions  

At the same time…last night was one of those classic "defensive breakdown" games we saw oh too many time last year.

I totally agree with you. The entire season was this. The goal last night when it went off Hannan’s skate into the net, how many times last year did the Avs score against themselves and then couldn’t even hit an empty net. lol!

You combine defensive breakdowns with anemic offense and it makes it pretty tough to win a game.

I am looking at last night’s game as a fluke. Hopefully Wednesday will be a more solid effort. I still believe this team has the work ethic and drive to win that will get them past this little bump in the road.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 2, 2009 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I think we need a couple of “energy” guys back…TJ G, Cody Mac and even GASP, Tucker. This team will be fine.

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah, it’s actually surprising it took 13 games to hit a low point. Just think how it felt to be a Minnesota fan in October.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Definitely could have been worse in Avalanche Country….

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 2, 2009 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Low point

It was definitely the least fun game to watch this season, but I still watched the whole thing thinking they could easily flip a switch and come back. I just heard the names Durno, Willsie and Dupuis far too many times.

Cody’s return will be huge. We didn’t knock Vancouver around nearly enough.

by Dixomatic on Nov 2, 2009 9:49 AM MST reply actions  

I was actually interested in the fact we heard Durno, Willsie and Dupuis so many times.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions  

We certinaly didn't play well last night

but it was better than the last 2 games, imo. Duchene’s line with Stewie and Jones looked pretty decent, actually. Almost like we’ve been calling for this for A WHOLE FREAKING MONTH.

The injuries have ravaged the bottom 2 lines. They’re both suspect defensively now, and not generating any pressure.

The PP has GOT to be fixed. The team has gone 5 games without a PP goal. The last was against Carolina. And Liles isn’t helping. There’s no reason it shouldn’t be better, it’s not like injuries have killed our PP guys…?

In fact, Liles looks freaking AWFUL out there. Clark too. That pairing couldn’t clear to save its life. Put Wilson back in for Clark, imo.

by thedoctor on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 AM MST reply actions  

I really like the idea of Wilson & Liles. I hate having Clark with him. Clark is just too slow and not good enough of a passer to make Liles as effective as he could be. Though I do agree he has looked pretty bad since coming back.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

you saying that reminded me of when he broke his foot. He was AWFUL when he came back – a completely different player. I’m sure saying this is a bad idea, but it’s like he gets off his rythm or something

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 2, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you're right

Remember when Leopold got traded? He seemed so thrown by that and his game hurt because of it. Getting off game so easily…that is kind of a disconcerting thought, isn’t it? On the plus side, once he gets back into his rhythm, he’s right back where he was. It doesn’t seem his game falls off for extended periods of time.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

By the way, Chris Stewart? You said you never wanted to be on that bus in Ohio again? You didn’t do yourself any favors last night…after looking like a beast for 3 games

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 AM MST reply actions  

Ï didn’t think he was too bad, he had the best chance of the night IMO.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 2, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions  

He just seemed a bit “uninterested” last night…or maybe I am just judging too harshly based on his performance in the last few games

by chiavsfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I thought he was fine.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I think you’re being harsh. He was practically inside the net a couple of times he was driving so hard.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 AM MST up reply actions  

actually he was in the net once.

by Uziel on Nov 2, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah, i thought of that after i wrote it.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Oh and btw, check out the pic on this thread. Not too many guys were in that position last night.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Well

Not on the AVs team at least…

by BryceLeo on Nov 2, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

SO

Here is my question why can’t we have pairings of defensemen where one is offensive and one is a KNOCK the Crap out of the other team when they are in front of the net???

by BryceLeo on Nov 2, 2009 10:54 AM MST reply actions  

Do you know who our defensemen are...?

Foote is too slow to hit anyone even attempting to move anymore. Quincey has fallen from manbeast to ninny in two weeks. People compare Hannan to a freaking hobbit.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by A.J. Haefele on Nov 2, 2009 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

That is what I am trying to say. We need someone who can hit back there to help clear the crease!!

by BryceLeo on Nov 2, 2009 11:00 AM MST up reply actions  

that Kyle Quincey sure was good for 3 weeks though, wasn’t he?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions  

Hell yes he was.

What happened? I just don’t understand =(

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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 2, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions  

He watched multiple teammates drop to injuries and got scared the Avalanche curse would spread to him, probably.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 11:09 AM MST up reply actions  

My mancrush has definitely soured on Quincey.

We know he’s capable of awesome things, but he doesn’t seem to be doing it the past week or so.

Colorado Avalanche: Preventing itchy playoff beards since '09

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Any of you fine folks catch Dater’s latest blog/column/whatsit after the game. I’m a little worried about the guy.

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 AM MST reply actions  

I actually thought it was good. I’m tired of letting sports control my emotions. Pretty stupid, if you ask me.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 2, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

It’s kind of why I like sports. If the lows ment nothing then the highs wouldn’t feel so good. I’ve tried to desensatize myself from caring but that’s like watching scary movies and with holding your sense of disbelief. Why waste your time watching if you refuse to let yourself be afraid?

I personally hate that outlook on life in general. Life is messy and full of emotion. I choose to embrace it rather than face the world shielded by stoicism.

by Dario on Nov 2, 2009 1:48 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m stoic about things that matter and emotional about things that don’t, like professional hockey.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 2:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Can one enjoy sports without some kind of emotional investment?

I've seen enough to know that I've seen too much.

by Smoboy41 on Nov 2, 2009 9:11 PM MST up reply actions  

No, I don’t think so. But I also think it’s unnecessary for the result of a sporting event to completely ruin your day. Or potentially several days.

There’s nothing wrong with caring, but you can care too much.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 2, 2009 11:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I can’t watch sports without one. I watch the Avs and Patriots and that’s about it.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 3, 2009 5:48 AM MST up reply actions  

two weeks ago, ESPN dropped the Avs in the power rankings for no good reason. Today, they moved them UP in the rankings to 3rd after two STINKER games. Dont worry guys, the experts say we kick ass…

by centreice on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM MST reply actions  

lol. that’s freaking hilarious. i wonder if it has anything to do with betting lines…

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions  

These next few games will be telling. A little rest. Guys coming back (at least McLeod, and JML getting his legs back). Return home. I’m thinking they’ll right the ship and return to form. Losing Galiardi was significant. But McLeod should help to fill at least part of that void.

The most troubling thing has been that some of the best players haven’t been. Namely Stats and Svatos. Especially Stats, who just needs to be better. He looks a step slow out there, not that he’s ever been blazing fast. Just for fun and a little more shakeup, I’d give the following a shot with Cody Mac back:

1. McLeod – Statsny – Hejduk
2. Wolski – Duchene – Jones
3. Durno – O RLY – Stewart
4. Koci – Willsie – Svatos

With Svatos seeing time on the PP.

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 2, 2009 12:08 PM MST reply actions  

i really like those lines, it would give stastny and hejduk some jump to have cody up with them, and duchene could definitely benefit from jones and wolski.

by Uziel on Nov 2, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Svatty would be useless on the fourth.

by Rather Dashing on Nov 2, 2009 12:16 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

i do like svats, but maybe we could trade him to another team ala phonix for someonte like mueller.. just a thought. it’s certainly more doable than kovalchuk anyway

by Uziel on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM MST up reply actions  

As opposed to his performance so far?

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 2, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he played pretty well last night, all things considered. He generated a few chances out of nearly nothing. Not much came of them, but he was certainly putting more effort in.

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

As far as I’m concerned, Svatos is only “playing well” if he’s got a goal on the scoreboard. That’s all he’s good for. He can and should score 30+ goals a year. He’s on pace to score 11, maybe.

Not gonna cut it.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

the same is true of SoS, IMO. If he’s not going to produce, why is he on the first line?

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I honestly thought of moving Dutchy to 1, O RLY to 2, and Stats to 3. This is the sort of thing Scotty Bowman would do routinely, with obvious success. He also would typically spread his talent accross 3 or 4 lines and roll 4 lines more consistently as opposed to the “all eggs in one basket approach.” As much as I hate the winged wheel, I’ll have to admit that Bowman was an amazing coach.

Hey Peter McNab, I'm starting to see sunshine and rainbows here.

by Bob in Boulder on Nov 2, 2009 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d rather see Jones with Staz and Duke, Stewie with Duchene. Put Svats and McLeod on the 3rd and drop Durno to the 4th

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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Svats plays on a very short leash in this scenario IMO. If he continues his invisibility, Dupuis gets his spot.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 2, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

I’d give haydar another look before I’d play Dupuis on the 2nd line. Honestly they need to trade for someother disapointing 2nd line player and send svats the other way, maybe clark and a pick.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 2, 2009 2:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I was referring to the proposed spot for Svats on the 4th line by BiB. Dupuis plays real hard, but he has yet to prove to me that he’s 2nd line material.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 2, 2009 3:08 PM MST up reply actions  

No argument here on those lines. how sad is it that Svatos is one of our best players? sigh

by thedoctor on Nov 2, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

You might as well sit Svats if you’re going to put him on the 4th line. There’s no way he belongs there.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Svatos is a terrible ES player. That doesn’t mean he can’t play a ton on the PP.

by thedoctor on Nov 2, 2009 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

True, but I’m referring to the fact that 4th liners are usually grinders and Svats is in no way a grinder.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 3:25 PM MST up reply actions  

it wouldn’t be the first time the Avs had put a finesse guy on the 4th. Remember Reinprecht? Corbet?

by thedoctor on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Man, how good would Reinprecht look on Duchene’s wing right now…

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2009 6:39 AM MST up reply actions  

As long as more than one of Durno, Willsie, and Dupuis are in the starting lineup, we will struggle. They need to trade a defensemen to get a bottom six forward. Svatos has played well at times, maybe not statiscally, but he will be fine. You guys are way too hard on him.

by HaasHockey on Nov 2, 2009 1:14 PM MST reply actions  

I don’t think Svats is a bad player at all. I think he’s on the wrong team, though.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 2, 2009 1:48 PM MST up reply actions  

2 goals, 1 assist in 15 games while playing on the top two lines justifies harsh treatment. He’s a 30+ goal scorer who is not scoring goals and not contributing any solid defensive compensation for his offensive drought.

It’s impossible for me to be too hard on him at this point.

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think there’s any justifiable reason to defend his play over the past two seasons, much less this season. During our hot October, he’s been competing with Adam Foote in points. The pattern goes back too far and he’s set an early trend yet again. What reason do you have for us to not be critical of him?

by father_christmas on Nov 3, 2009 8:31 AM MST up reply actions  

First, because the PP line he is on only has two and half players that should be on a PP line at all. Also, the strategy for that PP line is shots from the point, which does not fit his style and is different from the first PP line…that is a coaching mistake in my opinion. Second, I think stats are often looked into too much, especially in hockey. Yes, he is in a bad drought, but baseball is the only sport where stats are everything. He is carrying the puck into the zone well, cycling well, passing well, breaking out well, and attacking the net. Goals will come.

by HaasHockey on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

In the last two games Liles has racked up almost five and a half minutes of PP time with zero shots on goal. He’s not even taking those shots that he usually does that totally miss the goal. He’s totally out of sync on the PP so far.

The Avs also miss Wilsons physical presence (but not his outlet passes 0.o)

by Dario on Nov 2, 2009 1:57 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

He was shooting in the first three games this season. Why is he holding back now?

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by Joe Dunman on Nov 2, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions  

You got me. The problem last night was that everything was in the rush. I think it was one reason the fourth line looked so good. Because the held the puck in the zone for more than 30 seconds. They just didn’t have the skill to release the puck to the defensemen at the point.

By and large I think that’s one aspect of great hockey teams that goes underappreciated. Great teams recognize when they need to adjust their approach. You don’t have to do everything on the rush. Or everything by mucking it up in the corners. But, you can recognize the left wing lock, and dump the puck in the corners to set up in the offensive zone a bit so your defense can catch their breath a bit.

by Dario on Nov 2, 2009 2:52 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That seemed to be his problem last year, he’d try to set up his shot after he got the puck and by that time the D was set up and he’d have to pass it.

This team will make the playoffs and upset the Sharks in the first round...it's our turn.

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 2, 2009 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

TSN

TSN dropped us from 4 to 7, and the best part is under key injuries, they only list Salei, hahaha. no mention of McCleod, Tucker, or Galiardi

by jd21 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM MST reply actions  

Salei, who?

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by hockeymom on Nov 2, 2009 4:22 PM MST up reply actions  

He works with Santa at Christmastime.

Dashing through the snow, in a one horse open Salei….

Yeesh! Some people just have no culture! ;-P

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - We really suck, it's just that we didn't get the memo.

by Hopfenkopf on Nov 2, 2009 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

…and the three guys we miss the most… especially in front of the net.

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Nov 2, 2009 4:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Well the Avs impending disaster must have been deduced by my laptop because it decided to freeze last night right before the game. I was unable to get it started up again and after doing some system tests I got a hard drive error. Called Dell and they are shipping me a new hard drive. So I will be out of commission for Wednesday’s game as well.

On a positive note, Dell’s tech support did not run me around through a bunch of worthless test for an hour before deciding/concluding the same thing I had. They took my info, the error reports and I was off the phone in a half hour. Oh and the whole thing is covered under my warranty still. Unfortunately II still have to install the new hard drive and re-install everything, so my Thursday is likely going to be shot. But it could be worse…

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by Americanario on Nov 2, 2009 6:03 PM MST reply actions  

At least you can get on the intrawebs. The firewall at work has decided to work this week and I can only read MHH, not commenting or writing on any of the SBN Blogs…

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by Mike @ MHH on Nov 3, 2009 6:40 AM MST up reply actions  

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