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Halloween, 2009. Although the Avalanche had lost the night before to San Jose, we woke up that Saturday feeling pretty good about our team. The Avalanche had finished October at phenomenal 10-2-2 and, as we dressed our kiddos in their Halloween costumes and ran out to the stores to stock our trick-or-treat bowls, we had a little spring in our step. Our sad-sack Avalanche of last year had turned things around and were currently perched on top of the Western Conference (indeed, they were tied with Pittsburgh at 1st in the league).


And, yet, we knew.

Oh, sure, we got indignant when James Mirtle (and others) predicted we'd start to fall back into the pack or whenever someone failed to give the Avalanche props in power rankings and the like. We're proud of our team and, after 6 months of nothing but negativity (on the ice and off), it was great to have something to feel good about again. Deep down, though, we knew. The team was better (not that we could have gotten much worse than the steaming pile of dung that was the 2008 season); the Avalanche were working harder, working smarter and, for the first time in years, had a bona fide #1 between the pipes. But - and this may be the largest "but" I've ever written - this was not a first-place team. Deep down, we knew it.

Star-divide

Since then, it hasn't been very pretty. The Avalanche have gone 3-5-1 in November. That won't get it done. If the Avalanche were to continue at that pace, they'd finish the season at 33-40-9. 75 points. Last year, 75 points would have been good enough for...you guessed it: 3rd-worst record in the NHL. Are you guys ready for the next "tank it 4 ___" watch?

What the hell happened? Lots. Adrian Dater covered it very well on Friday night after the latest debacle. I agree with every single point in that excellent post. I'd also like to flesh out a few thoughts I've had bouncing around in that little plinko machine in my head.

Unquestionably, any discussion about the Avs and their now-wheelless bus has to start with the powerplay. After 6 games, the Avalanche had 10 PP goals and were humming along at 38.5% efficiency. For a team that scored just 50 PP goals last year, that was an amazing start. Sadly, it wouldn't last. In the 17 games since that game 6 in Toronto, the Avalanche have just 7 PP goals in 62 chances. That's a pitiful 11.3% efficiency, even worse than 15.7% the Avalanche mustered last year and the 14.6% laugher under Joel Quenneville that created our power play kitten meme. Why has it been so bad? Losing John-Michael Liles has had an impact. It's probably not a coincidence that the PP collapse coincided with Liles' leaving the lineup; he was injured in the Toronto game. In a perfectly symmetrical stat, the Avalanche have had 44 PP opportunities this year with Liles in the lineup and 44 PP opportunities with him out of the lineup. With him in, they've scored 13 times (29.5%). Without? 4 (9.1%).That's ugly.

Compelling stats, but there's more to it. In the first 6 games, the Avalanche were getting something on the powerplay they have lacked for years: scoring from the point. Kyle Quincey was absolutely revitalizing in the early going and he, Liles and Brett Clark combined for 3 goals and 11 assists on the PP in the first 6 games. Since then, bone dry and I mean Mojave Desert dry. No goals for any of them. Liles has 2 assists (both in Friday's game). Quincey and Clark have just one PP assist each. What happened to them? In the last 4 games, Quincey hasn't even registered a shot on net (PP or otherwise). They have been so ineffective that Joe Sacco has resorted to using a forward on the point. It's working about as well as it did under both Joel Quenneville and Tony Granato. In other words, it isn't.

And how about that Kyle Quincey? When the Avalanche traded for him this summer, I was less than pleased. It wasn't so much a knock on Quincey (or Tom Preissing...don't ask me to go there right now) as I felt it was a mistake to trade Ryan Smyth. My argument was that the Avalanche had a fair number of manageable defensemen, while they were thin offensively and at left wing. And that was before the sudden maturation of Kyle Cumiskey or the surprising play of Ryan Wilson. For a while, it looked like Quincey would sway me. In an interview for Second City Hockey's fan program back in October, I said the following:

Quincey has been a GREAT fit for us defensively. He is already paying dividends. The Avs have been looking for a PP quarterback for eons and his crisp passes have already started a boatload of breakaways at even strength.

What happened to those dividends? Did the board of directors vote to suspend them? Where did that PP quarterbacking go? Where did those breakout passes go? What about the big hits he was throwing around in the first couple of weeks? What's with all the stupid penalties all of a sudden (6 minor penalties in the last 4 games)? Is he still an upgrade for our defense? Yes. Has he been playing so far above the guys in the pressbox to warrant the trade of Smyth? No. I mean, Ruslan Salei can take bad penalties and do nothing on the PP just as well as Quincey has done lately. Speaking of Salei, he's set to return from his back injury soon. With all that defensive depth I talked about, is he even going to play? Or are we just going to pay Salei and Preissing $5.775 million to watch from the press box?

While I'm aware that moving Smyth was a salary move, you'd like to see a big trade like that make your team better. Smyth, in case you missed it, has 23 points in 22 games this year. Our #1 left wing, Wojtek Wolski, has a solid 20 points. No complaints there. After Wolski, though, our left wingers are providing butkus. Cody McLeod has 8 points. Darcy Tucker has 7. David Koci has 1. The Avalanche are so hard up at left wing that Marek Svatos (8 points) played there on Friday; he has 3 even strength points this year. I like Kyle Quincey, but wouldn't this team look much better right now with Ryan Smyth skating with Matt Duchene and Milan Hejduk rather than Svatos or Tucker?

Smyth's linemate this year is Anze Kopitar, who is tearing up the league (33 points). Smyth's linemate last year was Paul Stastny. While Stastny hasn't been terrible, he's been quieter than he should be. You may recall that when Kopitar signed his big extension with the Kings last year, I opined that that deal would be the ballpark for Stastny's upcoming extension. Sure enough, when Stastny signed his extension about a month later, it was just $200,000 less per season than Kopitar's. How's that worked out for the respective teams? For the Kings, really well. Here are Kopitar's numbers before signing his extension and his numbers since:

  • Before: 155 GP 52G 86A 138P -29 .89 PPG (points per game)
  • Since: 105GP 41G 58A 99P -10 .94 PPG

Since becoming rich, Kopitar hasn't rested on his laurels. In fact, he's increased his scoring production. You know what's coming next.

  • Before: 164GP 55G 109A 164P +16 1.00 PPG
  • After: 52GP 12G 29A 41P -3 .79 PPG 

Stastny's production has slipped since signing his extension. Now, .79 PPG is not terrible, but it is a decline. That's a 65-point season, something 50 players managed last year. In fact, only 5 teams didn't have a player get to 65 points (want to guess one of them?). It's good, but it's not great. It's not quite $6.6 million worth, not quite highest-paid-on-the-team great, not quite 21st-highest-paid forward-like. It's hard to pick on a guy who leads the team in scoring, but Paul Stastny needs to be doing more and he needs to do it on a more consistent basis. Stastny is held off the scoresheet on too many nights and, in fact, is in the longest goal-scoring drought of his career (12 games). When he was a 2nd line center and the Avalanche had other weapons, this would have been okay. They don't have other weapons.

I'm already running long, so I'll have to speed through the rest of this. Craig Anderson has a 3.39 GAA and .885 Save Percentage in November and lately he's been making us think fondly of Jose Theodore's awful stickhandling. Perhaps we should hold off on giving him the keys to the city for a while longer. Our PK was terrific in October (12.9%) but it's been dreadful since (26.3%). The Avalanche were supposed to be harder to play against under Joe Sacco, but the Avs are giving up more shots per game than they did under Tony Granato and they are hitting substantially less (from about 10 per game to 6). How is that better?

At the end of October, Joe Sacco looked like a coach of the year candidate for the way he had turned this team around. In just 3 weeks, that's gone away. Although they are still high in the standings, they are looking more and more like last year's team - no scoring, defensive lapses, inconsistent goaltending. With another bad week, the Avs could be out of the top 8 altogether (they are just 5 points ahead of the 11th place Canucks).

Personally, I think the next few weeks are going to be very interesting. As we approached the start of the season, it seems like most of us fans felt that this season wouldn't be so much about winning as losing as it would be about effort and player development. That's going to be put to the test shortly, I'm afraid. Will we be frustrated with repeated losses? Or will we really be content to watch guys like Wojtek Wolski, David Jones and Kyle Cumiskey who are having career years (Cumiskey has already set a career high, and Jones needs just 2 more points to do the same) as well as seeing kids like Matt Duchene, Ryan O'Reilly and Ryan Wilson blossom? It will be an adjustment for sure, but not all that new for us. After all, we were 3 games over .500 and in 8th place as late as January 10th last year. I think we all know how that ended for us.

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Even when I was hammering Mirtle to give the Avs their props, I knew they wouldn’t stay on the top for the season. I knew they’d slip back down and figured they would be middle of the pack come playoffs, at best 7th or 8th seed. I never thought they’d be bottom 3 (as he and others predicted, which is what angered me so much) and I still don’t. But November has not been unexpected. I still see them as a developing team and if they can look at the areas in which they need to improve and do something about them, then I will be happy. But if they continue on, game in game out, making the same mistakes (like we saw last year), I will be one frustrated fan.

So I guess that’s my answer to your question: if they actually work on their weaknesses, I will be content.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 23, 2009 7:40 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

I think they just need to do whatever they do in the 2nd period for the rest of the year. That seems to be about the only 20 minutes of a game that they play consistently.

Powerplay? No one shoots from the point anymore. We have gone back to that “should I or shouldn’t I?” shooting type of method, which starts with the “hot pocket.” When the Avs PP was rolling, Quincey, Liles and even Clark would just fire at the net, no hesitation…now it’s back to the pump fake, wind up…nope…wind up again…nope, wait…no…OK I’ll shoot. By that time, every defender is in the lane, it’s an easy shot black and clear.

Both Anderson and Budaj have gone shaky…the defense looks like ole Cloutier is back in charge. Bad positioning, flailing on the ice in search of a blocked shot or pass, instead of playing the body and finishing checks.

The biggest thing to me is that in the first month of the season, the Avs seemed to play from behind a lot, which MADE them keep the foot on the gas the whole game. With the leads they have developed in the last few games, it looks like they are content to play the old Tony Granato style of “well we have the lead, let’s play not to lose” (instead of trying to win)…once that lead is had, the foot slips from the gas.

Hopefully with Sacco’s “don’t take any shit” style of coaching, the players get it, and fix what needs fixing.

We can’t have the Blackhawks bailing us out by beating the division the rest of the season

by chiavsfan on Nov 23, 2009 7:49 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

We can’t have the Blackhawks bailing us out by beating the division the rest of the season

How funny; this is exactly what I was thinking last night during the Hawks game.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 23, 2009 9:50 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

No one shoots from the point anymore. We have gone back to that "should I or shouldn’t I?" shooting type of method
They have been so ineffective that Joe Sacco has resorted to using a forward on the point.

The strange thing is, both power play goals the other night started with shots from the point by one of those forwards, Wojtec Wolski. Even as much as we’ve all hated having a forward on the point (myself included) occasionally it works.

Still the D needs to shoot more and the Forwards should not be on the point.

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 23, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

it does work from time to time, but not consistently enough.

I’m perfectly happy with WW on the point if it works. Hell, put Koci on there if it’s going to result in goals

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 23, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest relevation on that play wasn’t Wolski’s shot from the point but the fact they finally put Jones in front of the net.

by Dario on Nov 23, 2009 4:38 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

If they’d done that last season with Smyth, the power play probably would have scored a lot more. Most of us thought they were not using Smyth properly…..

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 23, 2009 5:01 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

But – and this may be the largest “but” I’ve ever written – this was not a first-place team.

It still is, for now anyways.

That said, the best team in the division is, far and away, the Canucks. That 3rd period outburst by the Canucks was pretty devastating. We tend to focus on the defensive breakdowns that the Avs had, but the Canucks played some damn good hockey during that period.

That said, until the avs meltdown, I thought it was an evenly matched game and I thought it was one of the most entertaining games of the season for the first 45 minutes or so.

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

fans?

Come on, you guys turn on team at the slightest hint of trouble. Did anyone think they were not going to have to fight through a few things to stay on top? To think they were going to be # 1 the entire season was some serious dreaming! What the Avs have shown us is that they have what it takes. They can get it done when thing get tough. It is very easy to rip on a team when things are a little off, but after reading this blog you’d think they were in last place! Please do not be a fair weather fan. Pessimism does not a real fan make!

by helgothjb on Nov 23, 2009 9:41 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Ummm, I don’t see anyone “turning” or revoking their fan card over the Avs recent troubles. Realism? Yes. Fair-weather"ing"? Not quite. But thank you for playing!

by chiavsfan on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Positively!

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

We obviously want them to fail, right?

by Mrs @ MHH on Nov 23, 2009 9:51 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course! Don’t you enjoy watching losing hockey?

by chiavsfan on Nov 23, 2009 9:54 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s the only reason i continue to watch such awesome teams as the leafs and canes

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Nov 23, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, as I am also a Sabres fan.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Nov 23, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

truth, but i dont think any of us here thought we would cake walk to 1st and beat every team by 15 goals either.

I agree with Beachie, as long as we put in the effort, as long as it looks like we’re giving a shit and playing to at least get a point, if not win, i’ll be happy

that being said, as one coach edawards said ‘WE PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!’ so i don’t want to see us sitting on a third period lead, the other team ties it up, and us playing for OT.

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Nov 23, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

annnd jibbled

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Nov 23, 2009 9:52 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way the Avs will win games is to out work the other team. That was what they were doing in October and they need to get back to that. Hopefully, they now realize that no lead is enough of a lead for them to sit back. They should just play like they are a goal down, because they will be that or more if they don’t.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 23, 2009 9:55 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

easier said then done im sure.

i hope sacco, or someone else, has sat the team down and said something to the effect of ‘look, yah we had a hot start, and now teams are gunning for us, how about we fight and give’er every night and not turtle and look like the team that everyone expected us to be’

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Nov 23, 2009 9:59 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t see too many people upset with the 2 losses against Chigaco. Sure both were SO loses so the Avs still got a point, but the difference I see is the work ethic. Losses are easier to stomach when the team has shown fight and tenacity. In the last two games we didn’t see that fight late in the game. The team was coasting, and that more than anything is what is upsetting. Previously the Avs continued to play hard going into the third with a lead and it was fun to watch, they were almost playing like the were behind. They didn’t sit back and let the other team carry the play, the would attack the other zone and work the puck around. They played smart hockey in the offensive zone, currently they are trying to play prevent defense in front of their own net; it isn’t working.

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 23, 2009 10:09 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Pessimism does not a real fan make!

I don’t have the energy for ridiculous statements like this today. It almost makes me wish Darcy Tucker sucked so we could pull out the Darcy Tucker corollary. (Except, of course then we’d be watching Darcy Tucker suck again, I prefer him playing well)

The New Improved Avalanche. Now with Real Coaches!
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Nov 23, 2009 9:57 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

i was just wondering if it could be edited with “Tom Preissing” in place of Sham Wow.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 23, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Darcy Tucker hasn’t played well in about a month, IMO. I think we’re free to go back to the Darcy Tucker argument

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. Really? You’re coming on to MHH and accusing the folks around here of being fair weather fans? Ummm, total fail.

We loved the fact this team surprised the shit out of everyone (including us) at the start of the season. We knew it wouldn’t last, though. That’s reality. We don’t love the fact that the play that got them there has disappeared. We’re calling the team out on areas where they need to improve. That’s reality. We’re recognizing that this is still a rebuilding year and despite the stellar start, there’s more than a good chance that we’ll drop to .500 from here on out. Again, that’s reality.

Realism, FTW.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 23, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The tough part is that we’ve seen what these guys are capable of. Had they started out of the gate sucking donkeys, we would have tempered our expectations. But now we’ve seen them shut down teams, play dynamic offense, play incredible in net … it’s hard to just be OK with “well, this is what we expected.”

The good thing is that we know the Avs can compete and win on any given night. Maybe they don’t have the ability to consistently do it, but we know the ability is there, and it’s disappointing and worthy of criticism when it doesn’t show up.

If Santa comes down my chimney wearing those Red Wing colors, he's going to wish he didn't exist.

by Dixomatic on Nov 23, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

it’s disappointing and worthy of criticism when it doesn’t consistently show up

fixed for how I feel. I can handle losing, but when the things that made them good aren’t there for long stretches, that’s when it gets frustrating. Like the Canary said, nobody was too upset with losses to chicago, because they tried. That’s all we’re asking for, a little effort.

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!

by TheRed on Nov 23, 2009 2:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

And look how good Chicago is all of the sudden…with Hossa back on Wednesday. Yikes!

by chiavsfan on Nov 23, 2009 2:38 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Hopefully they beat Det-riot this year.

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!

by TheRed on Nov 23, 2009 6:18 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing...

I posted this in a fan shot, but I thought it worthwhile to post here as well:

“As soon as you start playing with the lead like you’re trying not to lose, you will lose,” Avs defenseman Kyle Quincey said. “We have to learn that. We’ve done that two games in a row now, and we’ve got to stop it. That’s the frustrating part, we see how good we are in the first two periods and then we come out and play a totally different style of hockey, and we’re not good enough to play like that.”

We seem to be on the same page as the team on this one. Not sure how that makes us fair-weathered.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh golly gee, we has given up on the team! Spare us, oh great helgthjib!

I somehow doubt that’s the reigning sentiment around here…. We aren’t blinded by our love for the team, but ready to acknowledge their problems and try to help find solutions. The truth is that we had a stellar start to the season, marred by a run of poor play resulting in less than wonderful results. Asking “What happened?” is hardly being fairweather.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:20 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Look hell-goth,

I wanna be the first to welcome you to MHH. There are a couple of things you should know about us before you dive into the deep end though. This is a fan forum and while we have a great time and crack-wise and tend to over-react at times, this isn’t a forum where we swill burgundy kool-aid or call out each other for expressing an opinion that just HAPPENS to have a pretty strong correlation with little things like facts and statistics. Yes, the Avs are still a team at the top of the standings. No, they aren’t playing like it. Simple math, as DD demostrated, says if they continue with the lackluster play, the season will be long and lottery-pick bound.

This isn’t a rah-rah, we’re #1 kind of place. We have highs and lows, but one thing I, and the other admins detest, is one member suggesting that another member(s) doesn’t have the necessary fanhood because we’re disappointed with the team or expect something along the lines of the letdown we’re currently experiencing as Avalanche fans.

To quote the great Melvin Udall:
Sell crazy someplace else, we’re all stocked up here.

"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 23, 2009 12:58 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Pessimism does not a real fan make!

This again? Do I have to make another video?

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Nov 23, 2009 1:59 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

You might, since the “Darcy Tucker” meme hasn’t been fully appropriate this season.

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 23, 2009 3:24 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

again I volunteer Preissing as our new whipping boy.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 23, 2009 3:34 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m willing to lay my reputation on the line and say that the avs will win the cup this year

by SCP on Nov 23, 2009 3:45 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of Salei, he’s set to return from his back injury soon. With all that defensive depth I talked about, is he even going to play?

Supposedly he “suffered a set-back” and won’t be ready anytime soon. Hooray?

by chiavsfan on Nov 23, 2009 9:56 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

So in the words of the Muppets….HES DA SUXKORZ! SACCO NO TRUST HIM!

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 23, 2009 10:10 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Its pretty obvious that Preissing needs to have some more time to get his legs back under him and work with the team during practices, so I assume he’ll sit until we come up against a pretty terrible team. As for the rest of the corps… I think Wilson will be sent down when Footer returns. I don’t want him to be, but it looks like thats the way its going to be. It might do Quincey some good to watch the game from the box too, just as a wake up call like Sacco did to Wolski.

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

The only way Preissing will ever get his legs back under him is if the trainers perform a double amputation and graft on an actual defenseman’s legs.

"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "

by Mike @ MHH on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

if we use Salei’s, can we cut their salary in half?

Thanks Joe...

by mfured20 on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on Nov 23, 2009 1:21 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

www.returnoftheghostbusters.com

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM MST reply actions   0 recs

Just A Rhetorical Question

Is it possible that some of the Avs’ good start must be attributed to the change of coaching and the honeymoon period that comes with that? I mean a lot of coaching changes lead to boost short-term in the standings at the very least…

Also, on Stastny, there is a good chance that he will regress towards his mean PPG-pace as the season goes on as it would appear that he is still a bit off due to the injuries last season (averaged the mediocre 1.59 points per 60 minutes last year v 3.12 P/60 in 2007 and 2.44 P/60 this year).

by HugoAgogo on Nov 23, 2009 2:57 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

Accountability

During the first weeks of the season, if a player wasn’t pulling his weight, they were held accountable. Sacco used to bench/scratch players all the time.

That has gone away, and with it, the work ethic.

www.returnoftheghostbusters.com

by BraxtanFILM on Nov 23, 2009 5:41 PM MST reply actions   0 recs

To some degree, it’s hard to bench guys when you are fighting injuries…

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 23, 2009 5:53 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

and when it’s most of the team that’s doing it.

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 23, 2009 6:26 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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huh? spam? or is this coherent and i’m just on too many drugs?

2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks

by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 24, 2009 4:14 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

A shameless plug maybe, but I have only seen it in one thread. If they were spamming we’d see the same post in a bunch of threads. At least that’s my opinion, but in these cases my opinion means little to none.

The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Nov 24, 2009 5:02 PM MST up reply actions   0 recs

what do you mean, “these cases”? I thought your opinion only mattered when you were posting funny pictures.

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!

by TheRed on Nov 25, 2009 3:14 AM MST up reply actions   0 recs

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