Potential Market for Clark, Salei, Preissing
So right now, we have 9 guys on defense vying for spots. I think Liles, Hannan, Foote, Cumiskey and Quincey have their spots locked down, so that leaves Clark, Salei, Preissing and Wilson fighting for 1 spot. Wilson has the most upside of the four, while the other three are all on (overly) expensive contracts that'll end this year. Everybody's talking about trading one or two of them, but I want to know what the market out there for them. Of the three, Clark has the highest value, as his flashy shotblocking stats is sure to attract a few teams. Salei and Preissing haven't played much this season, so their values are significantly lower, but both are experienced players that teams could give a chance to. [EDIT: Preissing actually has another year after this left on his contract. Thanks c0nquistad0rian. That makes him that much harder to trade...Man, what a shitty contract.]
So to find what the market for Clark, Preissing and/or Salei is currently, I surveyed all 29 other teams' defensive corps in the NHL right now. Note that I've not watched every game this season, and so I could be wrong in some/many of my judgments. I've ranked each team's likelihood of acquiring these 3 guys on the following scale: no chance, unlikely, below average chance, average chance, possible chance. Only one team we have no chance of trading with; I think we all know who they are.
(I actually don't have a lot of free time on my hand, but I did this anyways. >_>)
Anaheim:
S. Niedermayer, Ry. Whitney, Wisniewski, Boynton, Eminger, Mikkelson, S. Brookbank
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. Anaheim are one of the most penalized teams in the league, and they don't have good PK. A shot blocker like Clark would have value for them.
What can we get back: Erik Christensen is on the market, but I doubt we want him. Draft picks and prospects like Matt Beleskey may hold interest.
Atlanta:
Bogosian, Enstrom, Kubina, Hainsey, Schubert, Popovic, Salmela, Welch
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. They have a pretty set D corp, but they might be interested in adding a defensemen to make a playoff push to keep Kovalchuk happy.
What can we get back: They have a pretty deep prospect pool, and had shown in the past that they are willing to make bad trades to get into the playoffs. If by trade deadline they are a bubble team, maybe we can get something good from them for vet D like Clark and Salei. One of their wingers or goalies in the system would be great.
Boston:
Chara, Wideman, Morris, Hunwick, M. Stuart, Ference, J. Boychuk
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. Bruins need offense, and may be enticed by Preissing's skill set. They have a stable D corp that would be hard to break up though.
What can we get back: I doubt they'll give up anybody with high offensive upside, since they need that kind of players themselves. They have lots of depth at center, but we do too.
Buffalo:
Rivet, Tallinder, Myers, Butler, Lydman, Montador, Sekera, Paetsch
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. They have their own stockpile of average defensemen to sort through, so I doubt they'll want more.
What can we get back: They'll want to send guys like Sekera and Paetsch back to us. Not sure we want them.
Calgary:
Bouwmeester, Phadouche, Regehr, Giordano, Sarich, Pardy, S. Kronwall, A Johnson
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. They are DEEP in D. I'd also rather not see us trade with them again. It's getting downright incestuous the way we send players back and forth with Calgary.
What can we get back: After we finally ripped them off in a deal, maybe they don't want to trade with us any more either.
Carolina:
Corvo, Gleason, Pitkanen, Wallin, A. Ward, Alberts, Harrison, Rodney
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. At the rate they are going, they'll look forward to shedding overpaid mediocre D-men rather than adding them.
What can we get back: They were shopping Corvo, whose point shot is desperately needed on the Avs. On a nolstagic note, I'd love to see Yelle finish his career in Colorado (and he'll win draws for us).
Chicago:
Keith, Campbell, Seabrook, Barker, Sopel, Hjalmarsson, Hendry, (Byfuglien)
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. They are shopping defensemen too, since they need to sign Kane, Toews and Keith to long term contracts. But if they trade, say, Brian Campbell, they could then look for a guy like Clark, who has a smaller contract that ends this summer, to immediately step in and fill a void.
What can we get back: If the above scenario does happen, they might be willing to send us a prospect like Kyle Beach. They are also shopping Byfuglien, who has a hard shot, but I don't think we want him man the point for our PP.
Columbus:
Tyutin, Stralman, Commodore, Klesla, Hejda, Russell, Methot, M. Roy
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. They were one of the best defensive teams last year, but injuries to key guys like Commodore and Hejda, and drop-off in form of Steve Mason, means they've been shipping bucketloads of goals recently. They could look to shake up the D, and Hitchcock's defensive-minded style could suit Salei and Clark.
What can we get back: Columbia have lots of talents in stock. Guys like Michael Blunden could be in play.
Dallas:
Robidas, Niskanen, Skrastins, Daley, Grossman, Fistric, Woywitka
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. They are playing former pylon Skrastins big minutes. I would think they'll see Clark as an upgrade.
What can we get back: They were shopping former Youtube phenom Fabian Brunnstrom aggressively, but he's down with an injury. They don't have a deep farm system, so I doubt they'll want to trade their best prospects.
Detroit:
Lidstrom, Kronwall, Rafalski, B. Stuart, Ericsson, Lebda, Meech, Janik
Trade Potential: NONE. We are not fucking trading with Detroit. Fuck Detroit.
Edmonton:
Souray, Visnovsky, Grebeshkov, Gilbert, Staios, Smid, Strudwick, Chorney, Arsene, Peckham
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. Souray and Visnovsky has been hurt already, but I don't think they'll look to the likes of Clark and Preissing for answers (not when they schooled them so badly in our recent game).
What can we get back: Underachievers like Robert Nilsson. I'd say avoid.
Florida:
McCabe, Ballard, Leoprone, Seidenberg, Kulikov, Allen, Koistinen
Trade Potential: PROBABLE. 2nd worst PP and worst PK in NHL. They need help everywhere. [Quite embarrassing, really, that we let in 3 PP goals and couldn't score on a 4 min PP in 3rd period]
What can we get back: If we can snatch Horton from them by packaging Clark with a lower-end prospect or a middle draft pick, that would be great IMO. They have plenty of interesting prospects as well.
L.A.:
Doughty, J. Johnson, Scuderi, O'Donnell, Drewiske, Greene, R. Jones, Harrold
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. Recently filled the 6th spot on their D with Randy Jones, and he has played pretty well so far. Given that they actually traded 2 of their defensemen to us, I don't think they're looking to get any back.
What can we get back: I wouldn't mind seeing Ivanans replacing Koci as our tough guy, but that'll be another trade altogether.
Minnesota:
Zidlicky, Burns, Johnsson, Schultz, Hnidy, Zanon, Scott, Sifers
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. They are looking for forwards rather than defensemen. Then again, I'm not sure what Todd Richards want to do with this team.
What can we get back: Near-busts like Earl and Sheppard or vets like Sykora and Miettinen that are not really worth it.
Montreal:
(Markov), M-A. Bergeron, Hamrlik, Mara, Spacek, Gorges, Gill, Belle, Mathieu Carle, O'Byrne, Y. Weber
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. Back when they lost Markov, I thought it would be a great opportunity to dump one our excess D on them. They signed Marc-Andre Bergeron instead. Unless another crippling injury strikes their D, I don't see a market there.
What can we get back: Kostitsyn brothers. They'd dump them for free these days though. Laraque's recent incident may sour his relationship with Montreal's top brass, and he would be a much more imposing force in the unipron than Koci.
Nashville:
S Weber, Suter, Hamhuis, Bouillon, Franson, Klein, Sulzer, Laakso
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. Depends on where they stand at the deadline I think. If they're in playoff talks, they may want to add defensive depth, but they also have lots of young blueline talents coming up.
What can we get back: Ryan's brother, maybe? Their goalie prospects also look enticing, and they could be willing to trade them if they see Rinne as their goalie of the future.
New Jersey:
Martin, A. Greene, White, Salvador, Oduya, Mottau, M. Fraser, C. Murphy, Corrente
Trade Potential: PROBABLE. Their blueline is in flux right now. The only offensive minded defensemen is Cory Murphy, and he's been waived once already. Clark, Preissing and Salei could all have value for them.
What can we get back: They are offensively challenged themselves outside their top line, so we won't get any high-end talents from them. I'd settle for draft picks.
Streit, Sutton, Witt, Hillen, Gervais, Martinek, Meyer, MacDonald
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. On one hand, their blueline is rather shoddy. On the other hand, they are obviously rebuilding, and adding expensive vets on one-year contracts doesn't make sense for them. Then again, I don't think they possess any hockey logic period. Anyways, their focus is trading their excess goalies.
What can we get back: Garth Snow brings up the name Rob Schremp. Sherman laughs for a long time and hangs up.
Del Zotto, Redden, Girardi, M. Staal, Gilroy, Roszival, Sanguinetti, Heikkinen
Trade Potential: ABOVE AVERAGE. These 6 blueliners have played every game for the Rangers. Maybe sometime around the trade deadline, they might want to add depth, but it's still unlikely they'd look our way right now.
What can we get back: They want to trade Redden. They'll never get to trade Redden. Hideous contract. Chris Higgins might be an interesting addition though (though if he keeps playing like that...).
Ottawa:
Kuba, Phillips, Picard, Campoli, Volchenkov, Carkner, Lee, Karlsson
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. Very average group of blueliners, who may now be exposed with Leclaire out. Not sure Clark, Salei or Preissing would help them though, since they have the same type of players already.
What can we get back: Not much veteran wingers available, unless people think Cheechoo can still score. Chris Neil has been touted as a trade bait for years now, and nothing has ever came of it. He's an asshole too.
Philly:
Pronger, Timonen, Carle, Coburn, Parent, Syvret, Tollefsen, Bartulis
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. Another deep defensive corps that likely won't need any additions. In fact, Randy Jones had to be waived since there was no room for him.
What can we get back: No idea. Nothing that will address our problems anyways.
Phoenix:
Jovanovski, Aucoin, Michalek, Lepisto, Yandle, Vandemeer, Schlemko, Heshka, Sauer
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. Defense is in no way their primary concern. They need forwards.
What can we get back: They are shopping Peter Mueller. They won't trade him for veteran d-men on one-year contracts though.
Pittsburgh:
Gonchar, Goligoski, Letang, Orpik, McKee, Eaton, Skoula, Engelland, Lovejoy, Guenin
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. On paper, it's pretty strong, even though the Pens have been bleeding away blueliners the past two seasons. Gonchar and McKee have been injury-prone though, and I'm not sure they can stomach Skoula for a long time. They're looking to repeat, so they will probably look for defensive depth during the deadline.
What can we get back: Their talent well has dried up with their recent cup runs. Tangradi might be an interesting prospect that they'll be willing to trade. From what I've heard, he's a bit like Stewart at this point.
San Jose:
Boyle, Blake, Vlasic, Demers, Huskins, Murray, Joslin, Leach
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. Another team destined for the playoffs, they might want to add defensemen with playoff experience come the trade deadline. Not sure if Clark or Salei is what they're looking for. Preissing played for them, of course, but I'm not sure they'll want him back.
What can we get back: Interesting prospects in goal in Sexsmith and Sateri, and considering that Greiss is ahead of both of them, Sharks could be willing to give them up for trades.
St. Louis:
E. Johnson, B. Jackman, Brewer, Colaiacovo, Polak, Sydor, Pietrangelo, Weaver, Strachan
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. Their pressing concern is at forwards, as none of theirs could score recently. They are looking to trade blueliners as well.
What can we get back: Jackman and Brewer are on the market. Neither would be of much to us. The older (and less talented) SoS is there. It'd be fun to have a second generation of Stastnys around.
Tampa Bay:
Ohlund, Hedman, Ranger, Meszaros, Hale, Walker, Krajicek, Foster, Lundin
Trade Potential: BELOW AVERAGE. I advocated Clark and Hensick for Tanguay, but now that Tangs is scoring for Tampa again that's pretty much squashed. They have lots of defensemen, but Clark would be an upgrade over half of them. Shot blockers should interest them, since I'm not sure people are sold on Nittymaki as a no. 1 goalie. On the other hand, they do also have lots of defensive prospects knocking on the door, like Ty Wishart and Matt Lashoff.
What can we get back: Stephane Veilleux is decent in his own end, but offers nothing offensively (He's also a douche). Wishart and Lashoff were projected to be playing in the NHL now, and the fact that they couldn't make that blueline suggests that the organization don't rate them much.
Toronto:
Kaberle, White, Beauchemin, Komisarek, Schenn, Finger, Gunnarsson, Exelby
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. There's a better chance they'll trade for Durno than any of our defensemen. They're willing to take on salaries, but only if we give them high picks as well. That's a no-no.
What can we get back: Stempniak, Stajan and Blake are available. Luke Schenn is frustrating them right now, but they won't trade him.
Vancouver:
Mitchell, Salo, Ehrhoff, Schneider, Bieksa, Edler, O'Brien, Rome
Trade Potential: UNLIKELY. Their defensemen are injury-prone, but they've made fools out of Clark and Preissing enough to be willing to trade for them.
What can we get back: Not much, really. Cory Schneider could be traded, but he won't start here any more than he'll start in Vancouver.
Washington:
Green, Poti, Pothier, Schultz, Morrisonn, Erskine, Jurcina, Sloan, Carlson
Trade Potential: AVERAGE. They have a below average group of blueliners. Not sure if our guys are that much of an upgrade over any of them though. They could use some depth, but they also have guys like Alzner coming up the system. They're not trading for anybody until Nylander GTFO.
What can we get back: Some good prospects on the left wing like Osala and Johansson that have their way blocked by Ovechkin and Semin.
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nicely done. promoting to the front page.
fwiw, I have a hard time picture anyone moving. Salei, perhaps, but only if he gets healthy and starts playing well (in which case, I’d rather keep him anyway).
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 26, 2009 5:54 AM MST reply actions
Agreed on everything you said.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 26, 2009 7:28 AM MST up reply actions
It is very uncommon to trade injured players. Especially if they’re not very good and have pretty hefty contracts.
Oh, you mean except for, like, Theodore, right?
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
There's no number that reaches that high
I would suggest a googol(1 with 100 zeros), but that’s prolly only how many Paris has done since noon today.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
I haven’t slept with her, so there’s at least one male…
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 26, 2009 7:59 PM MST up reply actions
Unless they are tacked on to the end of a trade
A la Preissing.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
San Jose: Interesting prospects in goal in Sexsmith and Sateri
Beachie would have a lot of fun with that one. :)
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Is that like an ironsmith? Someone who works with sex?
Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.
Imagine if we still have Finger.
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
And a happy thanksgiving to all of you too! i’m supposed to be concentrating on cooking a turkey. damn you all to hell. off for a cold shower now.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 26, 2009 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
You know you can’t feed your family turkey cooked while you were absorbing such dirty thoughts. Thats just wrong.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
i know, i know. i feel like i should go to confession. except i’m not catholic. and i don’t believe in hell.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 26, 2009 3:47 PM MST up reply actions
On a serious note, as much as I’d like to see a few of these guys sit/moved. I think Wilson will end up back in LE if everyone gets healthy and Sacco will have to implement some kind of defensive rotation for Clark, Salei, and Preissing.
Then again, when was the last time the Avs had a healthy D-corp for any extended time frame?
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
You’re probably right about Wilson, but that would really piss me off. You know, because he’s actually good and stuff.
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.
by Rather Dashing on Nov 26, 2009 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
He actually is like good and stuff, but he can be sent down without clearing waivers (I believe); where as any of Preissing, Clark, and Salei could not be. And hopefully at least two of those guys have some value in trades, so the Avs probably don’t want to risk losing them for nothing.
The 2009-10 Avalanche: It's like having a banana split while all the other kids are getting an ice cream cone.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 26, 2009 8:02 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think Preissing is destined for the big club to be honest. Wilson and Preissing will go down, and Salei would have to do a lot of reconditioning to pry Clark’s spot away.
I might be wrong with this one, as I haven’t watched a lot of games lately.
I'm really liking Wilson
I don’t want to see him go down, but it’s fairly likely to happen, unfortunately.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
i’m not sure. sacco has not been the “play the vets even if they’re not the right fit” kind of coach. i believe that if he thinks wilson is what the team needs to win, he’ll keep wilson in the line up. and wilson is making a HUGE argument for staying right now.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 26, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
HUGE argument for staying right now
He is only 22 though – it might be wiser to give him lots and lots of minutes at AHL level if he does hit the wall at NHL level at all
i’m not sold on sending guys down when they are performing effectively at the NHL level. i don’t think it does that much to improve their game. the speed, talent, strength, everything is so much bigger and better at the NHL level that getting minutes in the AHL could actually be a detriment.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 26, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
i’m not sold on sending guys down when they are performing effectively at the NHL level.
Its the quality versus quantity argument – if Wilson performs effectively, then keep him at NHL level so he gets to go against the best. But if Wilson starts flailing (a big but at this point) – the quantity of lower quality minutes would be better than sheltering him and playing him against the lowest possible quality of opposition. I hardly believe that the gap would be so significant to hinder his development into what is probably a 2nd/3rd pairing NHL defenseman.
i agree that if his performance drops, it should be seriously considered. my point is if he is playing like he has been, it shouldn’t even be a possibility.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 26, 2009 3:48 PM MST up reply actions
Excellent work. Thanks!
Trade Potential: NONE. We are not fucking trading with Detroit. Fuck Detroit.
ROFLMAO. I knew we liked you!
I could see us trading Clark (not soon enough in my book) for another player, prospect(s) or pick(s). Unless Preissing pulls his head out and learns to skate, he wouldn’t bring anything, save for possibly cap relief on the waiver wire. Salei might bring pick(s) at the deadline.
Wilson is fast approaching qualification for waivers and has been one of our top 3 or 4 defencemen for several of the last few games. If he is sent down in favor of Clark, Preissing or Salei, it will be a mistake. A big one. If he is exposed to waivers in being sent down, he will be picked up and it will be a colossal clusterfuck and will cause me to hurt someone (or several someones) in the organ-I-zation.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Time to grow a pair, boys!
Wilson is fast approaching qualification for waivers
Please tell me that’s not yet….or else there is trouble.
OK, faulty memory.
Wilson is 22yrs old and has played 14 NHL games. Accordingly, his waiver exposure is pretty far away (probably not til next season or very late this season).
That being the case, Wilson is clearly >>> Preissing to date, is, IMO > Clark and is > Salei unless Salei starts playing like he did immediately after the Skrastins trade.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Time to grow a pair, boys!
Thought so….but the whole signing as a free-agent instead of being drafted could have changed the waiver-eligibility rules for him.
Agreed with all your opinions, I mean, Clark may be better than Wilson sometimes – but Wilson’s youth and Clark’s approaching free agency means that there are a number of reasons why you’d want to play Wilson over Clark if it came to that.
Compounded with the fact that I have yet to see Wilson be as abjectly stupid defensively as Clark has been. Consistently. Like every damned game – every period for that matter.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Time to grow a pair, boys!
if my data is correct, Wilson is exempt for this season and next season unless he gets to 80 career games. once he gets to that point, he has to clear.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 26, 2009 7:13 PM MST up reply actions
Pretty good, but....
I think you need to take into account standings. For example, Anaheim is last in the west right now; there is no way they will take on salary and give up any picks or prospects at this point, which radically alters your conclusion of them being a probably trade partner.
Still, really well done!
Good point
Well, I tried to take standing into account a little bit, but it’s hard at this point of the season when everything could change drastically with a hot or cold streak. St. Louis looked down for the count last year right now, but a late surge pushed them into the playoffs. I think Anaheim still sees themselves contending. They have great talents at forward, but obvious holes defensively, so I saw them as a good trade partner. One thing I haven’t taken into account is the Bobby Ryan contract situation, which means that they probably won’t make any moves until that’s taken care of. I’ll move them down to average now I suppose.
Hmmm, one thing I could do is update this once in a while to account for changes in standings, until the trades actually happen. That may be too much work though…
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
as per Bob Mckenzie
phphilly put syvret on waivers…he had an ok jr career, never could find his way in the show, maybe sacco could mentor him?
oh and in the same tweet, hensick has cleared
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
Syvret would have been good last year – but you’d only want to pick him up if we could ditch some of the veteran’s.
Also, in 2004-05 Syvret was +104 on the year (OHL, Mem Cup and WJC combined)…that’s ridiculous
but you gotta remember, that WJC team was unbefuckinglievable, they kicked everyones asses by like 4 goals, had guys like crosby, perry, getzlaf, bergeron, phaneauf…. it was the only good thing to come out of the lockout haha
'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'
SWEET! i was hoping tj would clear.
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by wflan on Nov 26, 2009 2:20 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
…Clark, Salei, Preissing and Wilson fighting for 1 spot. Wilson has the most upside of the four, while the other three are all on (overly) expensive contracts that’ll end this year.
Foote’s contract will also be up at the end of the year. But, I doubt he’s going anywhere. Preissing’s overly expensive contract on the other hand is not up at the end of this season. He’s still locked down for next season, as well.
Trade Potential: PROBABLE. 2nd worst PP and worst PK in NHL. They need help everywhere.
What can we get back: If we can snatch Horton from them by packaging Clark with a lower-end prospect or a middle draft pick, that would be great IMO. They have plenty of interesting prospects as well.
I think that Florida is only going to want to take on salary/players if there’s a chance that they could be buyers at the deadline. And I think that’s a bit of a stretch.
And while, I think that a guy like Horton would fit in really well with the Avs, he’s a young player who still has a lot of upside and he’s still under contract at a reasonable cap number for a few more years. He’s already an established first line player. Florida isn’t going to be in any rush to trade him unless he says he wants out. Even so, I can’t really see Florida trading him away for a veteran defenseman in the last year of his contract unless he’d be the throw in part of the trade (a la Preissing in the Smyth deal) and I don’t think that the Avs have the prospect pool to fetch Horton. Or rather, wouldn’t want to risk diminishing the prospect pool to do so.
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 26, 2009 1:51 PM MST reply actions
Thanks for informing me on Preissing’s contract. That’s pretty bad actually.
I’ve gotten news that they’re actually shopping Horton pretty hard. Not sure if it’s Horton who wants out or Florida wants him out. I agree that Horton for any of the vet Ds, or even in a package deal, is likely, but it has been thrown out there, and Florida has made some dumb trades before. People overrate stay-at-home Ds these days, and Clark’s block shots especially skews that view.
Almost every year since the lockout, Florida has been somewhat close to the playoffs picture around the deadline, only to fall apart. It’s part of why guys like Luongo, Jokinen and Bouwmeester got so frustrated: the team isn’t going up or down, but sideways. The team is uncertain about their identity, and it’s in these circumstances that other GMs could sneak bad trades on you.
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
I’d package a Stoa or a Stewie up there if it could land me a Horton. Horton’s only two years older and is still young at 24. But, already an established top line player.
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 27, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Question
Is he a top line player because of he’s really a top line player or because Florida hasn’t had anyone better to play the top line?
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 28, 2009 3:17 PM MST up reply actions
Horton is a first line player. He’s not an elite superstar type player. But, he’s shown that he’s capable of 25+ goals/60+ points per season.
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 28, 2009 4:05 PM MST up reply actions
Not really relevant, but I'm curious
Who do you like more, Booth or Horton?
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 4:48 AM MST up reply actions
Booth probably has more of a scoring touch and nose for the net. Horton is more of a complete player and will probably put more overall points on the board. Both are big bodies who are relatively fast and will work hard for you. I’d probably rather have Horton. But, I like what Booth does for his team and he’s another young american player with a possible Olympics future.
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 29, 2009 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
I highly doubt Florida would trade Booth though. Horton, I believe, is an upcoming RFA (?)
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
Horton is under contract for the next 3 years at $4 million cap hit. Although, the next three years are the expensive years of his contract’s life at $4 million, $4.5 million, and $5.5 million.
Both has a similar contract which extends for two more years and has a cap hit of $4.25 million.
http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=FLA&season=0910&expand=y
by c0nquistad0rian on Nov 29, 2009 6:04 PM MST up reply actions
Hmm right well my memory is wrong then. Horton’s contract’s not that great to take on. He is young and has the offensive ability to be a first-line player. but isn’t a consistent force yet. Then again, Florida is not exactly the best place to showcase your talents.
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
Oh btw, thanks for all the good words, people. I’m pretty new here, so I’m still feeling my way around here. I’m pretty surprised that this got posted on the main page. I’m so glad that I found an intelligent, sober community that is passionate about the Avs. You guys rock!
I spent more effort eating a pudding than Tyler Arnason skated last year.
I’m so glad that I found an intelligent, sober community that is passionate about the Avs.
Well, I don’t know how sober we are at times;) but it’s good to have people that love to talk real hockey and not just OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111 BOOOODIEEE IS TEH SUXXORRRSSSS!!!!11
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
Well, I don’t know how sober we are at times;
i’ll drink to that!
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 26, 2009 3:50 PM MST up reply actions
Lol
I had such a hard time today. Having dinner with my family, knowing I had to go to work. My sisters boyfriend is a wine connoiseur and brought several bottles, But I was good and managed to stay to the non adult beverages. So I guess I am sober for now at least.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
Really nice work
Thanks for that Shoeshiner, good article. Looking at this, though, it doesn’t seem like we would get a lot of return on Clark, Preissing or Salei. I wonder what would be the point in trading, other than salary dump. Clark’s blocked shots are another half dozen Andy doesn’t have to save, Preissing is decidedly unimpressive and Salei hasn’t made an impression either.
It's hard to be a saint in this city
Salei hasn’t made an impression either.
hard to make an impression when he’s not able to play. just sayin.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 27, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
decidedly unimpressive
Is that the same thing as all-around horrible?
"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "
Actually I’d describe him as all-around horrible, since if you’re unimpressive, you might be able to fade into the background, where as if you’re -6 after 4 and on pace of a -89 you can’t exactly hide.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 30, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
The avs probably won’t move anyone until the trade deadline, my desire for them to do somehting not withstanding. All the player’s the avs have are decidely 2nd or 3rd tier in ‘desirability’ If you miss out on Kovachuk then maybe you’d want to take a flyer on Svatos, same with Clark and Neidermayer and so on and so forth. Kinda depressing, but that’s what this team is.
Ryan O'Reilly for the Calder.
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 AM MST reply actions

























