Game 27 Recap: Wild 3 - Avalanche 2 (SO)
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 28, 2009 10:08 PM MST
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Stop me if you've heard this one before. The Colorado Avalanche jumped to a 2-0 lead...and lost! Oh, you've heard that one? A couple of times now? I guess I'm getting senile.
There was some stuff to like about the game. Matt Hendricks had an awesome game, better even than the Altidudes gave him credit for, as he had a couple of great plays that they didn't notice. Matt Duchene scored his first Pepsi Center goal and his linemate for the first two periods, Wojtek Wolski, had 6 shots. And Kyle Quincey was a monster on defense, especially on the PK.
Unfortunately, it wasn't enough. The Wild outshot the Avalanche 36-22 and the Avs blew yet another 2-goal lead. The Avalanche have been outshot 10-0 in the last 3 OT's they've played in (all 3 resulting in losses) and they suffered their 4th shootout loss in 6 tries. Most importantly, David Jones left the game with what looked to be a pretty serious knee injury when Chuck Kobasew accidentally fell on Jones' leg. It did not look pretty. The Avalanche simply cannot afford to lose him for any significant length of time...so cross those fingers.
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I hate the fucking shootout
so very very much. Tonight’s version personified everything bad about that Franken-hockey monster.
I shall henceforth refer to it as the luck-out.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 28, 2009 10:14 PM MST reply actions
it doesn't help
that Anderson totally SUCKS at shoot outs. (yea, i went there. you all know it’s true. i’m just ballsy enough to say it.)
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
He hasn’t stopped the first shooter yet. It always puts the Ave behind a goal when they can’t score.
It would be nice however if the Avs could start scoring in the 3rd period and/or OT
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by Americanario on Nov 29, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
+1
If we never make it to the shootout it doesn’t matter if Andy struggles with them.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
of course. but shoot outs will happen and unless Andy figures out how to step up for them, we can count on a loss each time. i realize the team should get pummeled with criticism for letting yet another 2 goal lead slip away. but Andy deserves to be called out on this. that first shoot out goal should have been stopped. he goes down way too soon (never thought i’d say that about a guy…) and the shooters know it.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:36 AM MST up reply actions
You are of course very correct
he goes down way too soon (never thought i’d say that about a guy…)
and you make me laugh!
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Jones
Out 4-6 months, torn ACL.
Per Dater Twitter tonight.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Nov 28, 2009 10:36 PM MST reply actions
And we can officially kiss this season goodbye. Only question is whether or not we can fail well enough in order to get a high draft pick, or if we’ll be stuck in mediocrity.
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.
by Rather Dashing on Nov 28, 2009 10:38 PM MST up reply actions
Jones was he only reason we had 1 wheel left.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Nov 28, 2009 11:14 PM MST up reply actions
CAM FOWLER TIME.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:51 AM MST up reply actions
Why do you hate America?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
It's just you, not America.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:56 AM MST up reply actions
I Aready Knew You Hate Me
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
I'm breaking your Shift key
the next time you grab another beer.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:57 AM MST up reply actions
BOTH of them.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:58 AM MST up reply actions
Haha
You’re gonna have to wait another hour.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Is fine.
I’m doing plenty of super important work over here with salary caps and stuff. So, ttttbbbbbbbhhhhhhhpppppppppttttttttt.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:59 AM MST up reply actions
Ohrly
Like I haven’t been helping you on the research. Men. Always taking all the credit.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Wuteva!
I didn’t publish my findings and take any credit at all. Punk. TELLING JAYE DOES NOT EQUAL PUBLISHING.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 1:04 AM MST up reply actions
Allow me to clarify
I am not openly rooting for the Avs. If the team does slip into those depths though, I am starting a similar “campaign” for Cam Fowler as I had for HEDMAAAAAAAAANNN.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:56 AM MST up reply actions
Why do you hate the Avs?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
ITS JUST YOU.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 12:57 AM MST up reply actions
Ya, Reiterate. ^^^
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Ever been right next to someone...
…when they tear their ACL? First, it’s a like “oh my god, what was that”, like my car just made a funny sound that I know is bad.
Then, if they’re on your team, you have the sudden realization that you just lost one of your players for the season. And that’s just heartbreaking.
Colorado Avalanche: Preventing itchy playoff beards since '09
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Nov 28, 2009 11:49 PM MST up reply actions
I did that at indoor soccer a couple years ago....
no one was really even near me. I happened to lean one way while my right foot stayed planted and my knee subsequently bent the other way. The popping sound initially put me in shock… like “what the hell was that noise, OMG!” Then, the pain kicked in. I had the (technically legitimate) term “unhappy triad”. Meaning I tore my ACL, MCL and meniscus. It sucked. I’d never had such a serious injury in 20 years of playing soccer. I just saw David Jones walking through my Whole Foods store the other day. A guy I work with (huge Avs fan) and I commented to Jonesy about how great he was playing. Really a sad, sad moment for the future of this year.
Get well soon, Jones.
by Guitarpick8120 on Nov 29, 2009 3:59 AM MST up reply actions
Seriously? I missed the game… what the hell happened?
Sandie
by Sandie Gauthier on Nov 29, 2009 12:07 AM MST up reply actions
at least no one’s head blew up like in scanners…
although, if Wolski’s did…I wouldn’t cry right now
Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.
At one point midway through the 3rd, I believe the Avs had just gotten control of the puck from the Wild in their own zone. Kobasew lost his footing and starting tumbling towards the ground, running into Jones’ leg in the process. Another Avs player fell on top of him when he hit the ground as well.
It was pretty clear Kobasew’s weird hit is what caused the ACL tear.
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by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Nov 29, 2009 12:13 AM MST up reply actions
looked to me like he was taking a dive. The Vile are good at that.
Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.
Kobasew was hit into Jones. a total freak play. fuck.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 29, 2009 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
Well, I’m officially done with the season.
fuck man, my favorite player goes down and the Avs blow another 2 goal lead. I can’t take this shit anymore…
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
I’m not done, but losing Jones freaking hurts bad. Real bad. Worse than losing 3 Wolskis.
I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Nov 29, 2009 12:00 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe you missed my point.
Jones was the ABSOLUTE WORST player to lose right now.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Nov 29, 2009 12:15 AM MST up reply actions
Of all the guys to lose, Jones really does hurt.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
He was also singlehandedly keeping my fantasy team relevant in the last 2 weeks.
So this is like a triple whammy.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 3:26 AM MST up reply actions
no offense to the fantasy sports team folks, but the guy just had a serious fucking injury. does it really matter how it affects your fantasy team?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:03 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Jesus fuck, I was being sarcastic.
He’s my favorite player, you don’t think I feel for the guy?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
As a Bills fan, I expect you to be quick on the panic button.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 1:05 AM MST up reply actions
ZING!
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 3:26 AM MST up reply actions
Wasn't meant as an insult
Just mostly that you guys have had a real tough go of it and I genuinely understand the pessimism.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 3:29 AM MST up reply actions
Oh, gotcha
Yeah, another thing Bills fans are good at is taking all statements like that to be insults :D
Actually losing Dr. Jones for the season is worse for me than anything the Bills have hobbled through this year. Ugh.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 3:31 AM MST up reply actions
The Jones injury is a massive blow
but I would think trying to have Trent Edwards making 40 good decisions per week would be as painful as what Jones is going through right now.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 3:59 AM MST up reply actions
Well fortunately Perry has figured out that Trent is garbage and has been playing Fitz :)
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 3:37 PM MST up reply actions
I love Fitz.
Dude is such a cool story.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I think we need to bring back goal girls.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
Soooooo
Who thinks Hensick is coming right back up on re-entry waivers?
Colorado Avalanche: Preventing itchy playoff beards since '09
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Nov 29, 2009 8:49 AM MST reply actions
I think we should give Stoa another shot.
Forever grateful that Joe Sakic isn't a douche bag like Brett Favre.
by Rather Dashing on Nov 29, 2009 8:50 AM MST up reply actions
+1.
The real question for the faithful is: Is this a lottery team that had a great start which may take them out of the lottery, or is this a pretty good team that will not get a significant draft pick due to playing .500 hockey at best the rest of the season?
My opinion? Start rotating goalies (no sense burning Andy out), start calling up the kids. We need to get to the bottom of the heap quick and move some veteran d-man at the deadline.
"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "
Stoa is off to a really slow start. He has 6 points in 21 games and is a team worst -12.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 29, 2009 9:21 AM MST up reply actions
just saying…the leading scorer for the Monsters is Chris Durno. Right behind him is Darren Haydar, followed by Brian Willsie. Personally, I’d love to see Haydar get a shot, but we know that won’t happen. It’s probably going to be Willsie coming up
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Nov 29, 2009 9:30 AM MST up reply actions
I think we’ll see some tanking pretty soon. It almost seems like they’re already partialy tanking right now (3rd period only). I’m ok with it though, let the tanking begin. The only thing I don’t like about it is how they will be analyzed and critized to death from here on (by the fans and the media). I guess it’s a small price to pay for another top player. I just hope the fans will stay loyal so we don’t lose this team to another city.
i am not sold on tanking this year. last year was a perfect time for it because of the media gem that is duchene. the whole story behind him and his exciting style of play made it worth it. but this year, i think the team would get more value by continuing to play well enough to get .500 at least and showcase players for trade. they will pull a lot more draft picks and prospects that way and it will better help build the team than we would with one high draft pick.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
You don’t think that Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin are going to be media gems? Hall currently has 51 points in 29 games this year. That’s on pace for 114 points compared to Duchene’s 79 last year. Duchene will be a great all-around player in the future but we need a superstar forward that’s capable of burying the puck consistently to play with him. Duchene wasn’t an out of the ordinary media gem last year, the Denver media just payed more attention to him because of our situation. Every year there is another awesome prospect coming out of the draft and most of the NHL pays attention to all of them.
I believe Duchene was a media gem to the CO fan base, not necessarily the NHL. His love for the team for his entire life made it that much more sweet that he was signed by the team. I’m not saying that Hall or Seguin would not be media gems or fantastic additions to the team. What I am saying is that this team needs more than one great player to turn it around. Center is set, but a couple of strong left wingers and an enforcer who can score are desperately needed. I think another highly skilled, quarterback-style D-man is also needed. Getting a high draft pick is awesome, but if it’s at the expense of being able to shop around other players for valuable trades or getting low returns on them, is it worth it? IMO, no, it’s not.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
I would disagree with that. We already have several great young defenders waiting in the wings. McLeod is our enforcer that can score. Anderson is a great goalie. We are pretty strong at center but don’t let the prospect positions fool you into thinking that’s the same position they’ll play in the pros. Almost all great forwards play center in the juniors and many of them have to switch to wing because not everybody can play in the middle. A good example of that is Evander Kane. He played center in the juniors and now is playing LW for the Thrashers (and really well for a rookie). I think we have a pretty good young team right now but add in one young proven superstar sniper and we are dangerous for years to come.
You are right though that we could potentially get a player like this a little later in the first round. Look at Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson, he ’s going to be awesome some day and he was drafted 10th overall.
If they do decide to tank it, I don’t think it will happen until we are obviously out of the playoffs, and that wouldn’t likely be until at least Feb.
Sacco
is the reason the “lottery team” approach will never happen. His ass is on the line to make this team perform, so I doubt that he will deviate much from what he is doing right now. He has no desire to move back with Hensick and Preissing to the AHL, so considered that option out. I believe this is going to be a season of the Avs ending in the middle of the pack, just missing the playoffs, with a lousy draft pick.
All through October I felt the team was overachieving, and I just couldn’t get on that playoff bandwagon. We may look back at October and realize they would have been better off having that month a bad one.
That said, I hope I am wrong.
And Jones, there are just not any words to express how horrible I feel for the guy. He is such an amazing player and to have 2 huge injuries happen in 2 consecutive seasons sucks beyond anything I can say.
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Sacco is the reason the "lottery team" approach will never happen.
This. And I have to say I’m happy for it. I’d rather they try their best and end up just out of the playoffs than at the bottom. Fighting for that playoff spot will be a great learning experience for the young guys on the team and will show what they have and if it’s enough for the playoffs next season. Yes, draft picks are huge, but looking at our own team, we can see that you can get those great players farther down than top 3. O’Reilly, Jones, Quincey, I’m looking at you.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
Hejduk was drafted in the 4th round.
Foote and Stastny in the 2nd round.
I thin we could go on…..
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by Americanario on Nov 29, 2009 3:35 PM MST up reply actions
I don’t think Sacco would be giving the marching orders to tank it, it would come from management. You may be right, they may not do it this year and I’m fine with it either way. It ’s also hard to prove if they are tanking it or not but I think last year was a little obvious the way they would pull up a different minor league player wilth no experience almost every game, opposed to the several that did have experience.
fair weather fans?
Let’s see, the chips are down so lets just throw in the towel! Give me a break. This is where teams have to dig in. This is when other players have to given more than they ever thought they could give. This is when the fans really need to root for them. This is what hockey is about! Sure, Jones is an incredible player, but teams with some pretty incredible players often do not win the cup. Did any one catch the Colts game 2 weekends ago? How many great guys did they have out with injuries? Could they have been in a worse spot? Did they throw in the towel? No! They dug in. This is the kind of season where hockey players and hockey teams are made. We are a young team and this could cause us to mature very fast if the guys are up for it! So, no fair weather fans please!
thanks
I am trying to stay positive and it’s nice to see that I’m not the only one that hasn’t given up completely. I hope that the team agrees with you.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
first, we’re not fair weather fans. losing jones is a big ass fucking blow. feeling upset, lost and unsure about the season is a natural reaction to that. add in another 40 minute effort by the team, and it’s not “fair weather-ish” to predict more losses to come. (especially if one looks at the month of november as any indication).
second, staying positive is one thing. being unrealistic and getting drunk off kool aid is another. i’m all for positivity; in fact, i believe the team will continue to play as they are now and hover at .500. but anything higher than playoff bubble is far-fetched.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
But the Kool-Aid tastes so good!!
But Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. I want to believe that we will still win more games than we lose this season. And I want to continue to see exciting hockey. I am just hoping that even without Jones this is possible. Otherwise, I love them anyway and will continue to cheer as loud as I can manage. But I do really want to see them try every game.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
right there with ya!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
So far your 2 comments thus far have been calling anyone with a negative opinion fair weather fans.
Please stop. It’s about as dumb a statement as you can make, and it undermines any point you may have. No one that comments here is a fair-weather fan. And being negative, or not hopeful isn’t fair weather.
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by Jibblescribbits on Nov 29, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
/sigh
it sucks that this argument works again.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions
Many of the so called “fair-weather” fans on this blog have been here since the beginning. We have watched this team implode through the last few seasons and are still here. Sure we get pissy when things like this happenen and a few people come and go and say they are done being fans, but they are a minority here.
Some of us, nay most of us, use sarcasm as a coping mechanism, so turn your meter up.
Losing Jones is a blow (especially with all the other injuries already this season), it’s going to hurt the team when your 5th best scorer is out (especially since he could have quickly become one of the top three scorers). The team is struggling and Jones has been one of the best during November. Hopefully someone will step up in his place, but with the way guys like Stewie, Svatos, and Hensick have been playing forgive me if I don’t hold my breath. Maybe Duchene will start finishing more and become the player we think he will be. Maybe O’Reilly will get back to contributing the way he did in October. Maybe, maybe, maybe.
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Many of the so called "fair-weather" fans on this blog have been here since the beginning.
and we even still jibblekopf now and again.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
oh bite me ;P
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by Americanario on Nov 29, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
oooh, where? won’t the canary-wife get upset?
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
She might, but has that ever stopped you before?
The 2009-10 Avalanche: Have the wheels fallen off?
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Nov 29, 2009 11:43 AM MST up reply actions
lalalalalalalal
I can’t hear you! What I don’t know I can’t be forced to tell.
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
actually, yes
please note that none of my targets of affection on the team are married. that is a line i will not cross. ever.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
I knew I liked you!!
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
feeling’s mutual, doll!
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
The player that I noticed particularly sucked last night was my boyfriend. Liles had better start to finish his checks, pass tape-to-tape, move his feet and CLEAR THE FUCKING ZONE or I’m going to start withholding favors. Hell, I may even break up with him. He’s almost as bad as, dare I say it, this guy lately.
(sorry for the all caps, but it was a necessary evil)
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 12:15 PM MST reply actions
What
But you’re not allowed to say negative things about your BF. It’s all suposed to be sunshine, rainbows and tehe from you.
How dare you have intelligent hockey analysis?
This is a hockey board — You fuck with our Hejduk, and the spirit of Lappy is coming. =)-Jibbles
Glad you are the one posting
exactly what I have been thinking (well, except for the withholding of favors). He pissed me off last year with his turnovers and mistakes, and so far this year I have been unimpressed with what we are getting for 4 million dollars. There is far too much depth in the Avs system for a high-priced under-performing D-man to be taking up cap space.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
All Caps is OK
But the whole team needs to be clearing the fucking zone, not just your BF.
Get rid of the loser point
09-10 Avs- Nowhere to go but up!
by TheRed on Nov 29, 2009 1:52 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
very true. he just sucked particularly hard at it last night.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions
I'm probably in the minority here...
but I don’t want Seguin or Hall. What the Avs need is a talented winger to play with Duchene, not another “franchise” player. Sure, it’d be great to add a player Seguin or Hall’s caliber, but that’s only great until the cap forces the Avs to drop a good player (probably someone like Jones, Elliot, Gaunce) down the road just to be able to afford him. The Avs need to build around their three young centres (have SoS making $6.6M, Dutchy making let’s say $7M, and Radar making let’s say $2.5M) and put good-but-not-great wingers around them (guys making no more than $3-4M). That’s the worst part about the cap: if you draft too well, you’re going to have to lose some very good players just to fit under the cap. That’s the problem Chicago and Washington have right now (though their problems have been exacerbated by dumb contracts to Campbell, Huet, and Nylander).
I think the Avs want a pick around the 8-10 range and should pick up Brett Connolly.
This is true
I would like to see Hall in the unipron. But in the long run, it’s probably not a good thing if it means someone loses their job.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
Cam Fowler.
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by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 2:52 PM MST up reply actions
if we pick high, he’s my vote too.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions
Except we have good prospects coming up for defense.
Shattenkirk, Elliot, Cohen, Gaunce, Barrie
I don’t think we need another D prospect. What we need are good wing prospects.
A Kabanov or Seguin(If he plays wing as well) I think would be much better for the team.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
And my reasoning...
Building a defense in hockey reminds me of building a pitching rotation in baseball. If you don’t have a true #1, then you need to make up for the lack of a major stud by building up the back end. As in, you have 2 #2 starters and 3 #3 starters instead of having a real 1-5 rotation.
Imo, none of those guys you listed will ever be a true #1 defenseman in the NHL. I think Shattenkirk has the highest ceiling and I think it’s probably as a #2. If you assume all of those guys pan out (lol @ you if you do, btw), then there’s 5 of your 6 guys on defense. Obviously this isn’t taking into account any guys who may already be on the roster at that time, but you’re looking at a defense stocked with Top 4 ability. It’s great when your second and third pairings all have second pairing ability, but when you’re lacking the guy with true #1 stuff, it hurts. Cam Fowler solves that problem, just like Victor Hedman would have.
I’m not complaining about Duchene and I sure as hell wouldn’t complain about Kabanov. We have a dearth of talent at Wing, absolutely. You just don’t draft for need in the NHL. You can get away with it in the NFL and NBA but in MLB and NHL there’s a longer development time required for almost all of the guys drafted.
If you think Kabanov is a better prospect than Fowler and you have a shot to take both, then take Kabanov. If you draft Kabanov over Fowler because your system doesn’t have many prospects at Wing but believe Fowler to be the better prospect, you’re running a poor draft. If you think both prospects are created equal, do you draft Kabanov over Fowler simply because of position? Which one of those guys is likely to make the biggest impact on your team? Stud defenseman or point-scoring (not necessarily goal) wing? Unless you view Kabanov as an Ovechkin-type talent, I think the stud d-man takes the cake. You can find productive wingers easier than you can find #1 defensemen.
I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.
by A.J. Haefele on Nov 29, 2009 4:21 PM MST up reply actions
Proven Supstar Players Need NOT Apply
We are only looking for mediocre talent with no future expectations of making any real money.
I hate to break it to you, but regardless of your prospects resume when they started in the NHL, if they play well, expect to pay dearly for them.
That's not my point at all.
My point is that given the choice, I’d rather have a $3M winger for each of SoS and Dutchy than one $6M winger. If Hall or Seguin reach their potential, they’re more likely to be the latter than the former.
Having the two $3M wingers would, in theory, give us two very good scoring lines, rather than one great scoring line and a decent one. And in my opinion, the former is more conducive to winning Cups than the latter, since it’s much harder to shut down two lines than one. Look at the Pens last year: they won because the Wings were able to shut down Crosby’s line but not Malkin’s. Now, Stastny + Duchene < Crosby + Malkin, but my hope is that, on balance, Stastny’s line + Duchene’s line = Crosby’s line + Malkin’s line down the road because of the Avs’ ability to put more talented players on the wings (since SoS and Duchene will make less money than Crosby and Malkin).
Sure, the Avs management would love to have the Caps’ and Hawks’ problems THIS YEAR. But they certainly wouldn’t want them after this year, when both teams are going to have to shed a significant amount of salary and talent to keep their core.
by ExiledAmongYou on Nov 29, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
I understand where you’re coming from. Here’s my point, superstars are very hard to come by and $3M players are a dime a dozen. Hell we already have lots of those on the team and in the system. While I like Stastny and Duchene, they aren’t enough. And once you get into a position of where you have too many, you’ll get more trying to trade top talent than mediocre talent.
One plus from last night...
as evidenced above, Koci actually danced with got into a fight with an opposing player
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 29, 2009 3:18 PM MST reply actions
Watching it
I’d say dancing is a better description of the event.
A 2nd round rookie in the race for Calder? ORLY? Ya RLY!
Well, I'll give him credit in that...
he dropped the gloves, and his helmet, unlike John Scott of Minn…at least he was ready to go proper.
We will fight in the mountains. We will fight in the valleys. We will fight on the ice and in the stands. We will never surrender.
He also had some activity in the third: he was like the only Avs player tapping his stick on the boards as Jones came off the ice. Maybe he wasn’t smart enough to feel the looming loss?
"I know everyone has their own opinion, but your opinion is wrong. "
I noticed him and the stick tap. I was surprised to see he was the only one.
2009-2010 Avs: a game away from being up on blocks
by BeachNSnowGirl on Nov 30, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
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