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The Firing Line: Out-Shot Teams That Win

It's no secret this season that the Avalanche haven't been shooting the puck very much.  They've been out-shot in 28 of 35 games so far.  Though the last two games (34-22, 35-21) indicate a turn for the better, the Avs have been reliably behind their opponents when it comes to firing pucks at the net.

But so what?  How important is out-shooting an opponent when it comes to winning games?  The Avs record is 19-10-6, and they sit atop the Northwest Division and in second place in the Western Conference with nearly half the season complete.  Apparently the shooting deficits are not hurting them too much.

I decided to look at the shooting stats of each NHL team, compared to each team's point percentage.  "Point percentage" is the percent of games played in which a team scores at least one point. 

The categories, in order, are shots for per game (SF/G), shots against per game (SA/G), shots ratio (SF/SA), point percentage (P%) and point percentage rank (P%Rnk).  Teams are ordered by shots ratio.

Team SF/G SA/G SF/SA P% P%Rnk
CHI 32.5 24.3 1.34 0.694 3
DET 34 27.9 1.22 0.578 16
PIT 32.4 27 1.20 0.682 4
PHI 31.6 27.9 1.13 0.483 27
TOR 34.1 30.8 1.11 0.453 29
NJD 29.8 27.1 1.10 0.726 1
WSH 32.3 30.1 1.07 0.697 2
LAK 29.1 27.3 1.07 0.662 7
PHX 29.3 27.5 1.07 0.625 10
BOS 31.2 29.3 1.06 0.613 11
MIN 30 28.2 1.06 0.516 21
VAN 30.9 29.1 1.06 0.563 17
OTT 30.1 28.4 1.06 0.581 15
DAL 32.1 30.3 1.06 0.594 13
BUF 32.1 30.5 1.05 0.667 5
NSH 30.9 29.5 1.05 0.609 12
SJS 31.3 30.9 1.01 0.662 6
CAR 29.9 30.7 0.97 0.313 30
CBJ 29.8 31 0.96 0.531 18
NYR 29 30.3 0.96 0.484 25
STL 29.9 31.4 0.95 0.517 20
ANA 29.2 32.9 0.89 0.484 24
CGY 27.2 30.7 0.89 0.656 8
TBL 27.8 31.5 0.88 0.484 26
NYI 29.3 33.2 0.88 0.484 23
EDM 28.3 32.7 0.87 0.531 19
MTL 27 31.6 0.85 0.5 22
ATL 28.7 34 0.84 0.583 14
FLA 28.5 35 0.81 0.47 28
COL 26 32.1 0.81 0.629 9

Colorado and the Florida Panthers are the worst teams in the league for shot ratio, but their point percentages are drastically different.  Colorado is the ninth-best team in the NHL for scoring points in the standings, while Florida is 28th.  Another team with a similar contrary relationship between shooting and success is the Calgary Flames

On the flip side, the Maple Leafs and the Flyers regularly out-shoot their opponents (Toronto leads the whole league with 1092 shots for), but are near the bottom of the league in points overall.  Detroit is also a high-shooting team that still sits outside the post-season cutoff line.

Overall, there is a correlation between out-shooting opponents and winning games or making it to overtime.  But that correlation is not causal, and any claim that teams that can't out-shoot their opponents are destined for defeat is just not accurate.  Seven of the sixteen teams that reached the playoffs in 2008-09 had negative shot ratios during the regular season, including the Cup-winning Pittsburgh Penguins (.96). 

It should be noted, however, that the lowest shots ratio of those seven playoff teams was the .92 of the Philadelphia Flyers, who averaged 29.8 shots per game.  While St. Louis averaged the second-lowest number of shots for in the league during the regular season (27.7) and still made the playoffs, no team with a shots ratio below .90 made the post-season in 2008-09.  The Avs are currently below both benchmarks. 

While taking few shots and being out-shot by opponents is not determinative of a team's ultimate success, those categories shouldn't be ignored.  If the last two games are any indication, the Avalanche aren't ignoring them.  Hopefully that is the case.  It definitely couldn't hurt to put opposing teams under more pressure.

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though we may need to shoot more, we do seem to be about average in our shots against

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 11:58 AM MST reply actions  

Yeah, 32 is near the high-end, but still not terrible.

I’m crazy envious of Chicago, though.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:06 PM MST up reply actions  

i’ve watched a few chi-town games this year..i’ve never seen them play D, they’re pretty run-n-gun style…it’s about time Q get’s that system working

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, and now that I think about it, the Avs lead the league in blocked shots, which is deflating their shots against numbers. If those pucks (500+) were getting through the defense to Anderson and Budaj, the shooting numbers would look a lot worse.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:16 PM MST up reply actions  

ah yes, good point, would nhl.com have those numbers??

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:18 PM MST up reply actions  

NHL.com has blocked shot numbers, yes.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLAAAAll&sort=blockedShots&viewName=realTimeStats

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:24 PM MST up reply actions  

red wings

Proof that the wings are a buncha pussies. Last in the NHL in blocked shots.

Sports don't build character, they reveal it

by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Yep, by far.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

i see no breakdown of players who blocked said shots…

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I think clark leads the team, and if i am not mistaken the league as well. He is at least among the league leaders.

Sports don't build character, they reveal it

by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Blocked shots for the league:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLAASAll&sort=blockedShots&viewName=rtssPlayerStats

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by smoky201 on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

so i’ve heard, it would be nice to see an avg of his shots he blocks/game

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Piece of cake. 108/34 = 3.18 blocked shots per game.

Ouch.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

of those three + per, I wonder how many he had to block because he was out of position for whatever reason?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Or how many he actually tried to get out of the way of, but couldn’t due to lack of mobility.

In all fairness to Clark, his mistakes are not due to a lack of effort. This guy gives it his all and does everything in his power to help a team win. He is on pace to take almost 300 pucks to help the cause. If that isn’t a guy who cares i don’t know what is

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by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

It depends on your definition of “out of position.” Blocking a shot seems to imply that he’s between the shooter and the goal, which would mean he was technically “in position.”

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:49 PM MST up reply actions  

you don’t have to block a shot if you can check or mess with the shooter—that’s what I was getting at.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh, true. Another possibility is that the shot came from a forward Clark wasn’t defending against. He wouldn’t be out of position then, either.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

approximately seven per game.

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by Hopfenkopf on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Clark is #1 in NHL with 108
Hannan #7 in NHL with 76
Quincey #10 in NHL with 67

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by smoky201 on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

OUCH!!
Ouch!!
Ouch!

Those poor dudes.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

these men are of the manly variety

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes they are :D

Sandie

by sandiegee on Dec 14, 2009 1:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Just an observations…
Add Clark’s (29) and Hannan’s (27) hits together and you get Quincey’s (56).

So while Quincey doesn’t block as many shots, he hits more people…interesting.

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by Americanario on Dec 14, 2009 5:19 PM MST up reply actions  

and does so with more flair!

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

At least Hannan is hitting people this season.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 5:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Pretty impressive to have three guys in the top 10.

For all the deserved criticism Clark gets around here, his shot-blocking is extremely valuable.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions  

which is why i keep saying he is of high value at the trade deadline for a bubble team

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

i dunno, IF we make the second season, i think shot blocking is going to come in mighty handy, esp if we’re facing a team that likes the fire them, like chicago

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

The Avs might very well be a bubble team!

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

i know the season isn’t half over, and you can blame me for drinking the kool aid, but i think we would have to fall hard and fast not to make the post season,

though seeing as how tight the west is, a bad skid at the wrong time of the year and i could be eating my words a’la glencross

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

The Avs have shown flashes of TEH SUXXOR that plagued them last season already this year. Neither winning the Northwest title nor missing the playoffs entirely would surprise me at this point.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

very true, BUT i think they’ve had the tendancy to bounce back from TEH SUXXORZ alot better then last year, hell, if i remember correctly, i was ready to throw in the towel this time last year

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly, without the Olympic break, I’d be more apt to say a melt down could be imminent. But that break is going to give the rookies a chance to rest and regroup. Given that, I think this team has a chance – a very good chance – at making the playoffs. I don’t think they’ll make it past the first round, however. Call me a Downer Debbie if you will. I call it realism.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

My only concern with that is if Anderson is the USA’s goalie. While we won’t have (m)any other Olympians, a tired goalie could screw us over.

Get rid of the loser point

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by TheRed on Dec 14, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually, I’m more worried about Anderson if he ISN’T in the Olympics. I think he thrives on that shit. Sitting around for two weeks might kill his mojo.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 3:03 PM MST up reply actions  

I think he’s been a little more focused since coming back from the neck thing. I don’t know, and I don’t think anyone else does either because he hasn’t been given a chance yet. Regardless, USA!!

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- YMMV

by TheRed on Dec 14, 2009 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think he'll be there

Miller has that shit wrapped up pretty much.

I need a new sig, since i think I cursed ORLY by promoting him.

by Drakenlot on Dec 14, 2009 6:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Who will be back up though?

Get rid of the loser point

09-10 Avs- YMMV

by TheRed on Dec 14, 2009 7:58 PM MST up reply actions  

The assumption going into the season was they’d take Miller and Tim Thomas. I don’t know that Thomas has played badly enough this year to play himself off the team, but there’s certainly more doubt than there was… I would guess Team USA takes Miller, Thomas, and either Quick or Anderson.

by sprdelfin on Dec 14, 2009 8:25 PM MST up reply actions  

honestly tough choice between quick and andy. andy was the man in oct. quick is the man right now. both balance out to about the same level (and are SO entertaining to watch). i don’t envy the folks who have to make that decision.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 8:44 PM MST up reply actions  

after what I just saw in the last few seconds of tonights game, i think you’re right about miller. the guy was awesome.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 8:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Nice research. I was thinking to myself that the avs, although they are outshot probably have a pretty good time in the attack zone. I wonder if all that cycling of the puck cuts down on shots?

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 12:11 PM MST reply actions  

I agree the style of the Avs is to get the puck deep and cycle it around. I think the style of the team 5 on 5 does hinder the potential for high shot totals. When they do create a chance though, they have done a good job of burying it. Avs have the best shooting percentage in the NHL.

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by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:19 PM MST up reply actions  

that’s been my (silent) argument about the low SOG number hoopla (yes, I used the word hoopla) that’s been tossed around since the first game. the avs may not put a bunch of shots on net, but those they do are always of high quality. that counts for something, at least in my book.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Counts for something in the standings, too, apparently.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 PM MST up reply actions  

These are some interesting numbers Joe, nice work! Relative to other teams, the Avs have a passive power play when it comes to shooting the puck. Sometimes the Avs will get into a rut of passing it around the perimeter on the power play too much, instead of getting pucks on net. They could do a better job of generating shots on their power play.

The third period has been brutal for the Avs. I would be interested to see how bad the ratio is for the third period alone.

That being said, creating quality shots, and more importantly finishing scoring chances is ultimately more important than ending up with high shot totals.

On the other end of the ice, Andy doesn’t seem to mind the high shot totals he is facing… good for the old save percentage. I wonder how bad the figures would be if the Avs weren’t leading the league in blocked shots.

Sports don't build character, they reveal it

by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:20 PM MST reply actions  

I wonder how bad the figures would be if the Avs weren’t leading the league in blocked shots.

I noted the same thing in an above reply. The Avs have blocked 582 shots so far this year.

Things to ponder: how much bruising do 582 blocked shots cause, and can a normal person survive that many broken capillaries? Also, the Avs have out-blocked the Red Wings by 250 shots.

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by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions  

As long as Liles doesn’t make a habit of taking them in the face…

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by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

This. Please.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Or Foote for that matter,

Foote has taken at least 2 off the face while Liles’ was off the helmet.

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by Americanario on Dec 14, 2009 5:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Behind the net

Behind the net did some work on this, and basically found that SF/SA isn’t a really good indicator of how good a team is. A better indicator is ES SF/SA when tied.

And even then it only corresponds to an R^2 value of 56% for winning % (For you non-statistical types, R^2 values show how well one value correlates to the another.) the correlation of . That’s a decent correlation, but it’s far enough off that there’s a ton of other factors that play into winning games.

What it is a good measure of is puck possession, and puck possession at ES. There’s certainly some truth to saying “Teams that control the puck better are generally better teams”, but like any stat, it has it’s limitations.

One of the things I’ve noticed is that the guys over at M&G seem to take this stat as gospel of which team is the best, and which isn’t. It certainly has it’s limitations, and those tend to be overlooked pretty egregiously over there IMO.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 12:31 PM MST reply actions  

Okay, so what are the stats then for puck possession at ES?? (Hey, you opened that can o worms!)

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

There are none.. you have to go with SF/SA at ES to get an idea, but it’s not prefect.

Many teams (like the avs) work the puck around the zone a lot looking for a “perfect” shot. They may possess the puck for 2min, but get 0 shots on goal, but it’s not like they are giving up shots either.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

which is why so many stats are BS. they don’t take all situations into consideration. i’d rather the team control the puck for more minutes in the game than have a bunch of shots on goal but not have the puck that often. it may seem like that’s not possible, but it certainly is. a ton of quick, badly angled shots can count as SOGs, too.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 1:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t think they are BS, but they just are taken out of context sometimes. Many times the mistake is that they are applied more broadly than what they are intended.

For example Points. It’s a good indicator of how much someone is scoring, and how much they are helping others score, but it, like most stats, has its limits. It tells you nothing of defensive prowess, or whether a guy is a playmaker or sniper. etc. It’s a good stat, and an important one, but not the end-all-be all. A lot of times people like a stat so much that they tend to make an unreasonable jump that “Most points”= "best player . Certainly the best players score a lot of points, but there’s more to their games than that.

ES SF/SA (Or Corsi ±) is a good stat. It is a decent indicator of puck possession, and what kind of scoring chances teams are making. Unfortunately over at M&G the unreasonable jump has been made that it is the end-all be-all of team quality. In talking with R O he almost seems convinced that the playoffs should be the teams with the 8 best Corsi ± rather than wins.

But the biggest factor that Corsi ± doesn’t take into account is first and foremost goaltending (and defense in general for that matter).

And secondly, Special teams are important. but the Corsi ± leaves them out entirely. Yes at ES COL and CGY are about even, with CGY even having an advantage on the season… but COL has far superior special teams, and that’s why they are in first place. That’s why they won last night.

Looking at only Corsi ± is flawed because it completely ignores two MAJOR parts of the game, but it is helpful to know what teams are doing at even strength.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 1:49 PM MST up reply actions  

There’s the stat trackers themselves also. I’ve watched the Avs on road games when McLeod was credited with zero hits when I know for a fact he had a couple in the game. Statistics certainly have a statistical +/- error rate that’s not accounted for by most.

by Dario on Dec 14, 2009 2:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Faceoffs, hits and blocked shots seem to have the biggest error rates to me. Faceoff wins/losses is REALLY subjective sometimes and in certain faceoff situations you have guys pushing the puck forward which is an “intentional loss”.

by Dario on Dec 14, 2009 2:21 PM MST up reply actions  

Shots

Behind the net did one on shots as well, can’t find his post, but it was kind of astounding.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember them talking about errors in shot distance and shot quality.

by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Dec 15, 2009 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point

For example, Altitude had “Scoring chances” last night at 14-0 after one for the avs…

Five Hole Fanatics (i.e. Kent from M&G) had it at 12-3.

I don’t know who was right, but it seems to me like Kent missed some Avs ES scoring chances.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

I think Kent would be a closer

Flames definitely had more chances than 0. Maybe 1 or 2.

I need a new sig, since i think I cursed ORLY by promoting him.

by Drakenlot on Dec 14, 2009 2:45 PM MST up reply actions  

You’re probably right, especially on CGY’s chances.

Point is… it’s certainly a lack of continuity across different people.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I get what you’re saying but pleast note that I did not say all stats are BS. I think a lot of stats are, though, and not just in hockey. I think too much emphasis is placed on them and because of that they are taken out of context which then makes them BS. If they were solely used as they were intended, then they’d hold more value. But they’re not and that makes them less valuable even when used as intended because they cannot be trusted.

FWIW, I successfully earned a 4.0 and endless praise for my thesis project for my masters degree by manipulating data to say what I wanted it to say. I lost a shit load of respect for data-based information after that. I did learn a lot doing that, though, more than I would have if I played it straight with the data. lol.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 3:14 PM MST up reply actions  

I know

As a science person who watches data based facts get completely bastardized every day by politicians and the news media I can see what you’re saying, but the alternative sucks too.

the best way to use it is to have experts who understand the data look at it and give their conclusions, because it can be manipulated to say something it doesn’t actually say very easily.

But since you’re an English paper… words can be made that way too, that’s why I don’t trust them.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I’m an English paper?? Did I get an A on me? Is it scarlet?

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 3:22 PM MST up reply actions  

teacher, whatever.

And it proves my point. See what words can do.

Words wrote Mein Kaumpf, and the Communist Manifesto.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

and numbers led to the atomic bomb. we could do this forever, ya know!

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 3:53 PM MST up reply actions  

I know

Point being, stats, like hammers, nuclear technology, words and guns, are a tool. If used properly they are incredibly useful. If used improperly they are incredibly dangerous.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 3:55 PM MST up reply actions  

If used improperly they are incredibly dangerous.

Or incredibly stupid.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

BOODAJ is teh suXor

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

TTLY!!!! ITZ HIZ FAULT AVS ALMST LST TEH GM LST NITE!!!!!

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

See

That’s why numbers are better than letters, I sound smart if I use imaginary numbers, but dumb if I use imaginary letters.

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by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 4:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Hmmmmm, sound dumb and have friends; sound smart and be stuffed in trash cans? Tough choice.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

I have friends

Thank you very much:

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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Dec 14, 2009 4:36 PM MST up reply actions  

He's not really your friend.

He just let’s you hang out ’cuz you bring beer.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - Time to grow a pair, boys!

by Hopfenkopf on Dec 14, 2009 5:48 PM MST up reply actions  

So if we just got rid of words and numbers we’d live in a utopia…I’m throwing out my calculator and my dictionary. Take that english language and base 10 numbers! Look at who’s smart now!!!

Jesus Saves! Stewart gets the rebound and scores!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM MST up reply actions  

aeif99``~~

Jesus Saves! Stewart gets the rebound and scores!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

awh snap!

Jesus Saves! Stewart gets the rebound and scores!

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Dec 14, 2009 4:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Chris Drury

I can’t decide if this is a surprise to me or not, but my ex-favorite Av, is leading all NHL forwards with a 1.5 blocked shot per game average.

Sports don't build character, they reveal it

by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 PM MST reply actions  

That’s pretty much all he’s doing this season.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s for sure

Sports don't build character, they reveal it

by Cotts on Dec 14, 2009 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

7.1 mil to block shots…

'I googled what the white stuff in a Ho-Ho was, i found out it has NINE cups of sugar..that will KILL YOU, it would turn your blood into fruit punch!'

by horbayj on Dec 14, 2009 1:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Well gosh, the Avs are only paying Clark half that much. What a steal!

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions  

That’s the motto of all law students.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Dec 14, 2009 5:32 PM MST up reply actions  

In a way, it’s kinda funny…we outwardly question why a guy is on the team…and then when you look at the big picture, it all makes sense.

Mile High Mayhem just another ho-hum Avs blog.

by InfamousM on Dec 14, 2009 6:24 PM MST reply actions  

Zone Starts

Stastny has had the 3rd most defensive zone starts in the league (204), only Streit (205) and Bouwmeester (208) are above him in this regard. Just behind him are Quincey (196)and Hannan (197).

For Stastny to have the points that he does is truly remarkable – the next highest number of defensive zone starts for someone with more points than Stastny is Getzlaf with 139 (65 less than Stastny).

by HugoAgogo on Dec 14, 2009 7:55 PM MST reply actions  

wow. see, those are stats that cannot be manipulated and speak volumes, imo.

You mean the Avs aren't going to get the top draft pick this summer???

by BeachNSnowGirl on Dec 14, 2009 8:14 PM MST up reply actions  

winning percentage of 0.6 % ?!!?!

by Tommelot on Dec 15, 2009 2:13 AM MST reply actions  

No, a .6 point percentage = a point in 60% of games played.

Mile High Hockey: Hoping for the best, expecting the worst, hating the Wings.

by Joe Dunman on Dec 15, 2009 6:27 AM MST up reply actions  

then the percentage part should be stricken.

by Tommelot on Dec 15, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

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