Ryan Smyth Trade Rumors Won't Stop
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 19, 2009 10:12 AM MST
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TSN's Darren Drager is listing Ryan Smyth as the league's most interesting trade possibility:
No. 1 - Ryan Smyth. Colorada needs to cut payroll and Francois Giguere is talking to teams about Smyth. The Avs won't ask Smyth to waive his no-trade unless there's a decent deal tabled. Teams are working on their offers now.
I still have a tough time picturing this happening. The Avalanche do not need to cut payroll (at least in Cap terms, although with flagging attendance, maybe Stan Kroenke has ordered the team to slash payroll). And even if Francois Giguere really did want to move the team's best player this year, Smyth is likely to be extremely picky about which teams he would waive his NTC for. Where would he agree to go? Edmonton? Chicago, perhaps? Dallas? I just don't see it.
No matter what, though. IF Ryan Smyth gets traded, the return would need to be SUBSTANTIAL. Keep in mind, when the Oilers traded him to the Islanders, they got Robert Nilsson, Ryan O'Marra and a first round pick - two former 1st round picks and an actual pick. If it's not at least in that neighborhood, I'm going to be extremely disappointed.
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Another sign of "Slashing payroll"
So, I was wondering what gimmicks the Avs were going to use to get us to renew our season tickets next year. The answer came in a fancy package in the mail yesterday. In addition to some little perks like guaranteed giveaways on giveaway nights, an autograph session with players, and a few other things, there was one doozy of a perk.
If I renew my upper bowl tickets, I may also be able to obtain two more season tickets, somewhere in the lower bowl, for $23 per ticket. I don’t know how many of these $23 lower bowl tickets are going to be available or where exactly they will be (almost have to be on the end, you would think), but wow. Something like this couldn’t even be envisioned a few years ago.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 10:32 AM MST reply actions
LOL, right back at me!
Good one. I’m wondering if there are only about 20 of these seats available, making it really a “bait and switch” sort of move by the Avs to get folks to renew. Everyone is out there thinking they’ll be able to do this, then when our numbers come up, “So sorry, those seats are gone.” Actually, I’m going to make them tell me how many of those damn seats are going to be made available before I renew.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions
It is true
But like I said, who knows how many of these seats will actually be available. They are “subject to availability” and will be based on our renewal number.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
And I forgot to add “Clever fricken bastards.”
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 10:50 AM MST up reply actions
Still
I appreciate, and even respect, the cynacism. But the Avs essentially are doing a price cut for tickets for season ticket holders. That’s a good step.
The idea here is you are already buying the season tickets, but you try and convince someone else to purchase the upper-deck ones and then you shell out less money for the lower bowl ones, or go halfsies with someone else and split the lower and upper deck stuff.
If they do some more ticket discounts It’s a good step. If not your cynacism will be justified.
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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 19, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
I figured that. You weren’t saying “crazy raving Bob, making shit up again.” So, I just got off of the phone with a nice person in the box office. She assured me that plenty of tickets will be made available. Most likely on the ends (she mentioned sections 112-114), like I expected, but still, even those seats are currently going for $85 a pop season ticket price (lower than individual game price).
Wow. I’ve got some deciding to do. Speaking of that map I linked to, could someone else please take a look at that thing, and those prices (they will be the same next season, by the way), and tell me how on earth anyone could come up with an “average” ticket price of around $43? It is mind blowing.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
So you end up with FOUR seats??
I mean, it might be a good deal but ultimately they are getting you to spend more money. Right?
Why not let you buy the lowers @ $23 for a season as a reward for being a loyal season ticket buyer?
Ok, that just crazy…
by From the Point on Feb 19, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions
Yep
I would have to keep my seats and buy two more. It would make managing the whole thing a lot harder. Right now we split our two seats 5 ways. I’m in two of the groups so go to quite a few games already. Way too many given the current on-ice product.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions
if the avs are smart they’d get a lot for him, if they make another adam foote like trade it will be smyth, a 1st and a prospect for kovalev or some other nonsense.
I'm Mr. Positive
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 19, 2009 11:09 AM MST reply actions
Trade everyone!
Seriously, I have no problem with it. Nobody on this team is untouchable if the right deal comes along, save maybe Hejduk (only for nostalgic, if not illogical reasoning).
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
Back OnT
Depends on what else they do and what message they send overall. If they finally admit that they need to rebuild, get a whole lot for him (a top notch goalie prospect and a few firsts would be nice), and bring in an NHL coach, I’d be fine with it. And also unload the dead weight and other overpriced guys on the team. I love Smyth. I think he’d be a valuable piece of any team. However, he probably isn’t worth what he is making on this particular team because there isn’t enough around him to make him effective.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 11:24 AM MST reply actions
No ticket price reduction?
I think that is a big mistake. This org needs to lower prices overall.
by From the Point on Feb 19, 2009 11:37 AM MST up reply actions
Interesting...
that I just got a message on my phone from the Avs. Must be a push for sales, call up those former ticket holders, get me signed up again!
by From the Point on Feb 19, 2009 11:51 AM MST reply actions
the only way i'd be ok with smyth being traded
is if HE asked for it and we got a shitload in return. otherwise it’s akin to bruno last year.
I want more cowbell!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Feb 19, 2009 12:15 PM MST reply actions
A Wraparound?
Is that Ryan Smyth trying a wraparound? When did that happen? I’m kind of on the fence with this deal. The cap space would be nice for some free agent spending this summer, but he’s also a guy that shows up every night. Those are kind of rare up and down the roster. Either way is fine by me. I can live with or without him. It just sucks that Tucker, Hannan, Arnason, and Clark are so severely overpaid so it makes it that much more diffcult to move them if that’s what the organization decided to do.
by AvsHockeyPodcast on Feb 19, 2009 12:30 PM MST reply actions
Speaking of the rumor mill
RUMOR: Just read on another Avs message board that the Avs offered Lappy a deal around 900K a season. He considers it a slap in the face (considering that Tucker is getting2.5 mil) and is asking for a trade. According to the rumorLappy was looking for 1.5 mil.
Personally, if any of this is true, I don’t blame Lappy. He deserves 1.5 mil for what he does and what he brings to a team. Sorry, I’m not sure McLeod is ready to be the next Lappy. A few season ago, I would have had no problem dismissing this rumor. After what the organization did to Bruno last season, and the signings/playing of Arnason and Tucker. I finding it hard not to believe it could be realistic….
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
didn’t specify, just said “according to my source”…which is why I stressed the RUMOR part.
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Now and then we had the hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be PIRATES.
-Mark Twain-
by Americanario on Feb 19, 2009 6:54 PM MST up reply actions
Hope it is not true
If it is, add another check box in my Do Not Renew ledger.
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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 19, 2009 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
The next Lappy
I love Lappy, I think he deserves that kind of money, this team will be hurting w/out him…agreed.
But this is just the kind of thing I have been worried about. That’s why I made a case that McLeod could be that guy…because this might happen. Is he ready? We may find out the hard way, but if the Avs trade Lappy then I sure hope McLeod is that guy. Cause it ain’t Tucker!
by From the Point on Feb 19, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 19, 2009 1:53 PM MST up reply actions
I really hope that's not true...
I’m going to have a serious issue with the organization if that rumor is true and I wouldn’t blame Lappy at all if he chooses to leave. I would do the same thing.
by AvsHockeyPodcast on Feb 19, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
this has the makings of a horrible decision..
.. if true. but i must say that it doesn’t surprise me. the organization is coming unhinged, from the treatment of bruno and aquisition of tucker, not to mention the hiring of good ol’ boy granato. if thats the way the team is going to be run then screw it. like BiB, no tix renewal.
Sorry
I just don’t believe this is going anywhere. this has all the makings of “Media catches wind that Smyth was maybe possibly slightly mentioned casually in a trade talk and now everyone says he’s available.”
Sorry I don’t buy it at all, I’m not worried about it.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 19, 2009 3:57 PM MST reply actions
Just wait. Both Lappy and Smyth will get traded to Dallas for Ott or even worse; Calgary for Phadouche; or some Red Wing. Nothing would surprise me at this point.
Red Wings Suck
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by A.J. Haefele on Feb 20, 2009 5:43 AM MST up reply actions
No Trading Smyth D@mn !t
Now is not the time to trade our best player on the team. They haven’t traded all year. It would upset me greatly to watch Smyth on another team this season! I think we have made it this far waiting for our golden boys. We might as well stay the course and wait for the team to blossom as we add Stasny and others back to the line up.
Go Budaj!
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