Theodore Speaks. I Yawn.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 20, 2009 7:41 AM MST
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Adrian Dater is back to work, and has an article about Jose Theodore up.
Does Theodore miss the Avs?
"Look at the position I'm in now and where my game has been for the past two months. I think that pretty much speaks for itself."
Ooh, sick burn.
"I was surprised. With the way the GM (Francois Giguere) told me I played the last three-quarters of the season, plus the playoff, and knowing that he felt that I had my game back and they wanted to keep me, that it would be easy and quick," Theodore said. "At that time, I wanted to stay there. I think he thought that I didn't have any options.
"A couple of days before (free agency on July 1), I was really disappointed in (Colorado's offer), so I had some discussions directly with Francois, but even in the discussion, some of the things he would bring up, I was really disappointed. It was two years at 3.5 or, at the end, three years at 3.5. That was it. The direction the Caps were going — unless Colorado came back and made a big effort — my mind was pretty much set. We (players) have some pride, and when we see they don't make that extra effort to really show you that they want you, then you decide, 'Hey, I'm going to move on.' "
Good Lord, somebody call a Wahmbulance. Geez, I can't understand at all why Giguere would be worried about worrying about getting a return on his investment. I mean, after all, you were really good in the last 3/4 of ONE FREAKING SEASON.
Look, I've said this before and I'll say it again here: Peter Budaj has been a disappointment of late. I think he's getting a bit of a raw deal from some fans, but such is life - his numbers are his numbers. But anyone who thinks Jose Theodore would be a significant improvement is smoking a bit too much wacky tobaccky. WOW, Theodore has a 2.78 GAA? Super cool - so do 26 other NHL goalies. NEATO, a .901 save percentage! That's way better than...TEN OTHER GOALIES! Let's be clear - that's the same old Theodore in net and the Caps are doing well mostly because they are the 5th-highest scoring team in the league. Theo has been, as usual, maddeningly inconsistent and has only recently started to find his game (again). At the end of December, Theo had a GAA of 3.08 and a save percentage of .889. Budaj, at that time, was at 2.73 and .902 - almost identical to the Theodore numbers AD is fawning over now. And wow, all that for just an extra $3.8 million! Ooh, where do I sign?
It's all very simple. Theodore got almost exactly what I thought he would get on the open market. The Capitals were willing to pay that much, the Avalanche were not. I'm happy for Theodore and sincerely wish him all the best. But, frankly, I'm glad his inconsistent ass is parked in front of someone else's net; I have enough grey hairs as it is. Is Budaj the answer? I still say "maybe", others say "no". Fine. Let's find another new scapegoat goalie. But, let's stop regurgitating this Theodore nonesense. Please. It's really starting to harsh my calm.
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Theodore speaks...
I remember what a tool he is.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Feb 20, 2009 8:49 AM MST reply actions
Nice Post
I thought we had it bad with all of the Sundin stuff but it’ll be over come hell or high water on Sunday.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
You have to admit
that not signing Theo was one good decision FG made last year. The only thing saving Theo’s ass this year is that he is playing for a really good team. If he had stayed with the Avs, they would have the same losing record they have now, but without the extra $3.5 million sitting in the bank. +1 for FG on this one decision!
Avs. Sticking it to the Red Wings
Same story, but slightly different, in the Washington Post:
Tarik El-Bashir, the Washington Post’s hockey reporter, has almost the same quotes here.
It has a different tone.
It seems Caps fans in general seem to support Theo, and some comment that his not-so-great stats and play earlier in the season are a result of the Caps’ injuries at the time, with 4 of the Caps’ defensive roster being call-ups at one point from the Hershey Bears.
Another thing that is interesting is that when the Caps go down by a goal or two, even in the third period, nobody worries, not the players, the announcers or the fans. There is just a different attitude when there is a superstar on the team that keeps getting all those third period goals to tie or win the game.
More then one superstar on that team
They’re loaded with talent. Then again, Tyler Arnason would look good playing with Ovie.
I don’t really have a problem with Jose here, I can understand why he feels the way he does and why he left when he felt the Avs weren’t interested in paying him what he felt he was worth. I’m sure he’s pretty damn happy to be playing on a good side now and I don’t feel he’d make any difference to our numbers this season.
Dater can fuck off, though.
by eltharion_doa on Feb 20, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions
Theo
I’m more mad at Theo for 2 & 1/2 years of shitty goaltending while making $6M than I am over these comments.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2009 10:39 AM MST reply actions
If Theo thinks he’s the reason the Caps are succeeding, he’s out of his mind. those numbers are average at best. Hey, Theo, you know why you didn’t get a big offer from the Avs? Because we remember how incredibly shitty you played for the 2 years prior to your little renaissance (which, btw, you haven’t sustained). How’s about you focus on getting your stats above mediocre before you get all pissy with a GM who didn’t want to pay 4.5m for 2.78 and .901.
I was hopeful that the Caps would beat us and we’d get the 5th place spot in the draft again, but now I hope we light his ass up. What a dick.
Stats
Again, I feel the need of pointing out stats (you know for the sanctity of numbers, not Theo).
He plays on a team whose system is extremely up-tempo. They are sacrificing goalie stats to take advantage of their very talented offesive roster, so Theo’s numbers have to be taken with a grain of salt.
That said, he sucked balls at the beginning of the year, is playing well now, and tomorrow who knows. That kind of guessing game for $4.5M/season… no thanks.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2009 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
Avs play hockey. I yawn
No one says theo sucked in october or november due to injuries. he sucked because he sucked. But he turned his game around and has shown he can still be a good goalie.
He is a a big factor in why we have continue to do well. He’s turned his game around since December like he usually does every year.
If you want Bud or Ray over Theo- your not on wacky tobacky your on some crack.
The dude is a No.1 Goalie and he felt lowballed by Giguere. Who cares.
-shwedy
He is a a big factor in why we have continue to do well. He’s turned his game around since December like he usually does every year.
Every year, once, same thing.
And Yes I’d rather have Budaj and Raycroft for a combined $1.8M than Theo at $4.5.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2009 11:08 AM MST up reply actions
what, are you trying to trying to start something? this has got to be the worst attempt at insulting a team I’ve ever seen. Really, Tyler Arnason isn’t as good as Backstrom? With insight like this, no wonder you think Theo is the greatest.
go home, we don’t want your pitiful attempts at gloating over here. have fun getting bounced in the playoffs when Theo sucks.
Let’s keep it real here people. No need to go crazy.
Nobody said We’d prefer Theo over Boots or Rayzor straight up. We said we preferred cheap inconsistent goalies over expensive inconsistent goalies with venereal diseases and bald spots. There’s no need to get butt hurt about anything.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
this is crazy? sorry. let me rephrase.
Dearest shwedy,
I say good chap, your point concerning one Tyler Arnason is not well taken. I believe this may actually be some form of attempted insult to this readership, thought I am uncertain due to it’s general poor quality. If so, allow me to respectfully indicate that you are stating the obvious to us, and this lack of insight may be indicative of why you think your own gentleman in goal is actually not as poor as us.
Please, we would prefer to continue our own well-informed conversation here without your blubbering, so return to your own kind.
All my regards,
thedoctor
P.S. Please enjoy the classic Theodore collapse in the second round of Lord Stanley’s cup playoffs. I know we did around these parts.
P.P.S. When he does make the playoffs that is.
I'm Mr. Positive
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 20, 2009 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
P.P.P.S. Please don’t respond with a Guite is no Semin…
I'm Mr. Positive
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 20, 2009 2:11 PM MST up reply actions
1.5
I don’t know who I wouldn’t go with over Raycroft and Budaj.
Who cares about the money if your not winning? That’s great that they are saving 3 million bucks this year but I bet they’d rather have that playoff revenue instead.
Once? Have you followed the Avalanche over the last few years? Look at his stats October-December then look at Jan-April.
He has HUGE improvements during the second half of the season. Look it up.
-shwedy
have you ever tried the reply button? it really helps us figure out what you’re responding to.
as to Raycroft and Budaj vs. Johnson and Theo, you’re welcome to spend 5.3m on equivalent goaltending to ours @ 1.5m. go for it. we don’t care beyond being glad it’s not us. Not sure why you feel the need to come over here and berate us.
and, while we’re at it. why don’t you show us his awesome stats over the last half of seasons? And tell us why this invalidates his awful play at the start?
Who cares about the money if your not winning?
The Avs wouldn’t be winning with Theo in net either. They are a seriously flawed team. (Just like Theo wouldn’t be winning if the Avs were in front of him… he’s a seriously flawed goaltender)
He has HUGE improvements during the second half of the season. Look it up.
Just because you say it doesn’t make it true. He improved significantly over the seond half of last season. It looks like he is this season. Before that… not so much.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Ohhh man. Go look up Theo’s playoff record before you start spouting stats. You may find his second round numbers of particular interest.
Never trust the lunch lady.
by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Feb 20, 2009 12:12 PM MST up reply actions
Same Jose?
FIRST AND LAST WARNING
Let’s keep it civil or I’ll drag Joe away from his studying to come in here and swing Le Banhammier de Truth around like a drunken Thor: God of Thunder.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
I’d be remiss if I didn’t throw this onto the fire: THN Goalie Ranks
Names above Theo: Craig Anderson, Ty Conklin, Chris Mason. That might put a small dent in the “superstar” moniker.
Granted, none of the Avs goalies are on there, but that’s because they suck.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
Let me sum up all this nonsense. Theo was bad in Colorado for the majority of his stint. He played well in the second part of the year and won a 1st round playoff matchup, winning two 1st round playoff matchups in 3 years.
When Theodore was bad he was really bad. When he was good he was good but he was hardly the Answer to the Avs goaltending. He did however give us something to cheer for, for a couple of years when it counted the most, knocking off 2nd seeded Stars and 3rd Seeded Wild.
Never the less winning 2, 1st round playoff matchups in 2 years does not warrent 6mil a year nor 3.5 mil a year. So lets forget about Theodore.
How many playoff rounds have Budaj and Raycroft won combined? Answer 0. Budaj has done nothing as an Av goaltender, he has one good stint at the end of the year that the Avs missed the playoffs but that was largely because the avs where firing on all cylinders. Both goaltenders have shown signs of being good at times but what goaltender hasn’t?
Anyways sorry for the rant, but IMO both goaltenders should go. I don’t even feel comfortable as a fan watching either of them play in net at any given time and never have. All season long they showed they could not make the save when it counted most, look at all the 1 goal game loses in the final 10 min. I’m not saying the goaltender should stand on his head every night or that the defense should be excused, but in most cases Colorado severely out shot the opponents to have them score in the final minutes blowing 2 crucial points.
Goaltenders need to make saves when it counts and be able to steal games. Budaj/Raycroft can’t do that.
End rant /
I don’t want to repeat myself.
You have a valid point about playoff stuff with Theo and Budaj.
The 2nd half of your rant flies in the face of my opinion, as shown in the link above. That’s the last I’m gonna say about this.
Colorado Avalanche: Gellin' and Propellin'!!!
’m not saying the goaltender should stand on his head every night or that the defense should be excused, but in most cases Colorado severely out shot the opponents to have them score in the final minutes blowing 2 crucial points
Basically you are saying the goalie has to stand on his head, If teh Avs severely outshoot opponents and are still tied how is that the goalies fault. Unless the goalie lets 20 goals in then its the offense thats failing, not the goaltending.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
stop twisting my words savage you asshole and read carefully for once.
How is me saying that when the avs severely out shot their opponents especially in the 3rd period just to lose by 1 goal when it should have been a key save saying the goalie has to stand on his head?
It would be different if I said colorado was getting badly out shot just to lose the game. But in most cases the other teams goalie is making save after save when it counts where budaj and or raycroft tend to let those important 3rd period goals in.
So please stop twisting my words and even better please stop replying to my posts because you are really starting to piss me with with your unintelligent posts.
I lol'd.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 21, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
I’m so sorry oh great one, Wouldn’t want to start an internet fight to prove how tough I am. Because I don’t need to.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
ok retard. Yet again with putting words in my mouth.
Where did I say anything about proving ones toughness?
go get a cat scan.
by avsfansteve on Feb 21, 2009 10:52 PM MST up reply actions
That must be my bad again. I guess I got confused because when someone calls someone an asshole, a retard, says their posts are unintelligent and they’re pissing him off and then tells them to get a cat scan, well I naturally assume it’s an internet tough guy.
I guess I twisted your words again and what you really meant by “asshole” was “awesome”, “unintelligent” should have been “thought provoking”, “retard” obviously was meant to be “legendary” and “get a cat scan” was meant to say “your health seems perfect”. Then maybe people might think you’re a serious member and not an internet tough guy.
Also since it’s annoying you and, quite frankly hilarious to me, I’m going to continue replying to whoever I want and saying whatever I want. Maybe I’ll even reply to your posts with Futurama quotes or Bad Religion lyrics. Who knows?
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
similar? looks like stealing to me
i looked at the link above. right off the washington post web site from yesterday. guy should sue dater for plagarism
by cookiestopshelf on Feb 20, 2009 1:35 PM MST reply actions
Wow.
I can’t believe Dater lifted the entire interview from Tarik El-Bashir’s post from yesterday (2/19/09 at 5:26 PM ET) in the Washington Post. Basically it looks like he took everything Theo said in response to Tarik’s questions and then put in his own biased conjectures to give the comments “context.” If this is true, Dater sucks even more than I thought.
um, probably was a media session where he gave quotes to the whole group of reporters? I don’t think Dater would even try to get away with that — he’s a good reporter even if we don’t agree with all of his editorializing.
Originally, I did think it was a media session. But now I’m not so sure, especially since Tarik actually starts out by saying Theo was talking to him, and not a group of reporters:
“It’s been almost eight months since his messy breakup in Colorado, but he’s still smarting a little bit, he told me this morning.”
I would actually prefer to try to give Dater the benefit of the doubt on this, since we weren’t there.
I hate Budaj
I think everyone knows that. But for the money, I’d way rather have Budaj than Theodore. At least Budaj is properly paid…
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
hes being paid for what he is worth for sure. I would rather keep on limping with boods until we find a REAL goaltender for a while than have to rant about how our overpaid star goalie has the same percentages as our backup.
i forsee a fun GDT tonight. full of fun insults and happy times to be shared by all.
Boy, I struck a cord.
I didn’t come to berate but to respond to the post on this blog- I thought that was the point?
Just responding with a different opinion- My greatest apology.
Bottom line- Theo aint Brodeur. He’s inconsistent but he’s been playing like a 4.5 million dollar goalie on many more occasions then not. I will take him and his salary over Bud and Raycroft any day. No one is calling him a superstar.
Theo didnt go past 2nd round because your team last year wasn’t good enough-no offense. I’m not saying the Caps are either. We will see though.
He also had the flu during that series and look at the D that was in front of him.
And yes I could bring up clips of Bud and Ray looking horrible too but i don’t have the bandwidth…
I’ll go back "to my own kind " now :)
-shwedy
Issues
I don’t have issues with you bringing your opinion, I have issues with you saying “Theo has great second halves” and not backing it up, but expecting it to be a fact:
Once? Have you followed the Avalanche over the last few years? Look at his stats October-December then look at Jan-April..
Wrong. Wrong Wrong. Last season he was good in the second half, the season prior… Beat out by Budaj for the starters role. Season prior to those… awful all season.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2009 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
aw, you’re just trolling. classic troll signs are all there: assertions with no support, digs at core of audience followed by feigned innocence. if you really wanted to discuss you’d offer some real points, not this “you said Arnason > Backstrom!!!” straw man crap, or the “Theo is awesome in the 2nd half of the year, haven’t you been watching your own team?” crap.
yes, please do return to wherever trolls come from. and say hi to Thomas, he must be there. :)
Not a good enough team?
How many times has Theodore made it out of the second round again??
Oh, I guess those teams weren’t good enough, either.
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
1st half vs second half Theo
Let’s put this myth to bed right now, since I finally have some time to compile the actual stats and “look it up”
1st half ’05/06 (Montreal) : .896 Save %
2nd half ’05/06 (MON/COL): .856 Save %
Difference: (- .040)
1st half ‘06-’07 (Colorado): .910 Save %
2nd half’06-’07 (Colorado): .837 Save %
Difference: (-.073)
1st half ‘07-’08 (Colorado): .887 Save %
2nd half’07-’08 (Colorado): .922 Save %
Difference (+ .35)
So there you go. 2 of the last 3 seasons Theo got significantly worse in the second half of the season. There are certainly some caveats here:
1) Save % is imperfect (although in this case since he’s playing in front of the same team it’s a decent comparison)
2) Many of those second halves he had so few starts (due to, you know, sucking) that it’s not a large enough sample size.
Still I think it’s safe to say:
I think the most telling thing about these though are the wild differences in Save %. Again this supports my, doc and everyone else’s theory that he’s just wildly inconsistent. And they also support that he’s not even worth $3.5M/year let alone $4.5M.
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 20, 2009 4:03 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
We lost the first two detroit games by one goal, as everyone seems to enjoy saying this, If he made one of those saves instead of letting a weak goal in, maybe we would have won a game or two atleast, if not actually challenged them. Also what kind of idiot plays when they’re sick, thats the stupidest thing a goaltender can do in an important game.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
Yeah, the Avs were riddled with injuries in that second round. But everyone seems to forget that Theo went right back to being Theo and sucked big time. I was all in favor of playing Budaj that series.
BTW, I’ve always hated Theodore, now that I think about it. Ever since he clearly robbed Roy of the Vezina (and possibly Hart) back in 2002. Roy had the best numbers of his career that year, BTW…
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
Caps' fans are smiling
I can understand Avs’ fans feeling a little jaded towards Theodore, and I’d say you’re all correct to feel the Avs are better off without him this year because let’s face it, you could bring back Patrick Roy and this year’s Avs are still not a playoff team. Theodore has always been a hot/cold goalie. When he’s cold he’s not worth his salary, regardless of number. When he’s hot he’s worth every penny, regardless of number. He’s been the hottest goalie in the NHL since Christmas and the Caps are rocketing up the Eastern ladder. I’m sure Avs fans will say ‘good riddance’ no matter how well the Caps do this spring but you’re going to have a tough time finding any haters in DC when the Caps last longer than the cherry blossoms this year.
It's fascinating to me
that suddenly Caps fans know all about our team.
I’m honestly impressed.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 20, 2009 7:56 PM MST up reply actions
Just from looking at highlights
it looked like vintage Theo. That Arnason goal made me laugh.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Feb 20, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions
So basically DC’s just jumped on the Theo bandwagon. When he’s struggling like he was at the start of the season and Johnson starts replacing him as #1 will you still be in love with him.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
2 Stanley Cups
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
by BraxtanFILM on Feb 21, 2009 12:45 AM MST up reply actions
don’t forget our nick name for him, jose threeorfour
I'm Mr. Positive
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Feb 21, 2009 12:36 AM MST reply actions
Tarik and I got the same quotes from Theo. He posted it on his blog earlier than when I went to “press” with them.
I see through the disguise
(I figured that was it.)
The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters
by Jibblescribbits on Feb 21, 2009 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
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