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The Avalanche At The Deadline - Defensemen And Goalies

We are just one week away from the NHL trading deadline. Two weeks ago, the Avalanche were looking like sellers. Last week, a minor winning streak seemed to put the Avs back into more of a "fine-tuning" mode. Now, after two disappointing losses, Colorado seems to be firmly back on the seller side of things. So, what might the Avs be doing next Wednesday?

There's been some talk around the RSS circuit that the A) the Avs need to rebuild and B) they need to shed payroll. Neither is accurate. The Avalanche have a pretty good nucleus of players up front - Stastny, Wolski, Stewart, Hejduk, Smyth - and on defense - Hannan, Foote, Liles, Salei. There's obviously work to be done, but the team isn't that far from respectability or even playoff contentio without taking a wrecking ball to everything. And if GM Francois Giguere has been instructed to cut payroll, it hasn't been announced publicly. The Avalanche have about $43 million committed to 13 players next year, which is high, but shouldn't have the team in a full-out salary sell-off. Plus, the Avs are struggling to put asses in the seats (just 6 sellouts) and need to keep fans moderately interested.

With the playoffs now out of the picture, the Avalanche won't be looking for anything for this season at the deadline. For next year, they should be looking for scoring depth, a big shot on the power play, a puck moving defenseman and a bona fide, #1 goalie. Most of those fruits don't grow on trees and are usually at a premium at the deadline. However, there may be some goalies on the market (Manny Fernandez? Cristobal Huet?) and it wouldn't shock me to see Giguere take the opportunity to make a goalie move now rather than wait until summer, nor would it surprise me to see him add a player or two instead of focusing on acquiring draft pick.s

Who will Avalanche be shopping? Here's my take on who is available (and who isn't) on the roster:

 

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Goalies:

Peter Budaj ($700k, RFA this summer). I believe the Avalanche brass have lost faith in Budaj and will be actively seeking a number 1 either at the deadline or this offseason. Budaj's cheap salary, positive demeanor and studious approach to the game could make him an attractive target for a team looking for depth, but I don't think the Avs will move him unless they acquire that #1 now.


GP MIN W L T EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2008 - Peter Budaj 43 2498 16 24 1 4 124 2.98 1197 1073 .896 1

Andrew Raycroft ($800k, UFA): Razor has done better than expected in the backup role this year, but probably doesn't figure prominently in the team's future plans. The Avalanche could trade Raycroft and give Tyler Weiman (playing well in the AHL) the backup job...if the Avs can find any takers.


GP MIN W L T EGA GA GAA SA SV SV% SO
2008 - Andrew Raycroft 21 1182 12 8 0 2 59 2.99 579 520 .898 0

Defensemen:

Adam Foote ($3m, signed through next year): Foote has a NTC and will not be going anywhere.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Adam Foote 35 1 5 6 -5 24 0 0 1 0 16 6.3

Scott Hannan ($4.5m, 2 more years): No Movement Clause for Hannan. While he may be amenable to waiving that, I don't believe the Avalanche have any desire to move him.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Scott Hannan 60 0 5 5 -8 22 0 0 0 0 44 0.0

John-Michael Liles ($4.2m, 3 years): Liles has a Limited Trade Clause. I don't know which teams are on his "ok" list, but I could picture JML agreeing to waive it to go to a Cup contender. Liles is our best offensive threat from the blueline, but the potential return for his services might be too tempting for Giguere to turn down.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - John-Michael Liles 55 7 21 28 -10 23 4 0 0 0 105 6.7

Ruslan Salei ($3.0m, 1 year): Salei's name has been mentioned quite a bit in rumors this year and that surprises me. He's played well (after a slow start) and often seems to be the only Avalanche blueliner not allergic to physical content. Not untouchable, I suppose, but I think Giguere would rather move other defensemen.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Ruslan Salei 59 4 14 18 -5 60 1 0 0 0 81 4.9

Brett Clark ($3.5m, 1 year): This would be one of the "other" defensemen listed above. Unfortunately, with his contract and inconsistent performance this year, his trade value is lower than it should be. Clark has the potentital to be an excellent deadline acquisition. Seriously. The trick will be getting another GM to buy into that.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Brett Clark 61 2 11 13 -1 32 0 0 1 0 76 2.6

Jordan Leopold ($1.5m, UFA): Probably the big fish. Teams always are looking to add a puck moving defenseman at the deadline. Leopold is competent in his own end and has good offensive skills (the numbers are a bit deceiving, as the Avs do a terrible job involving their blueliners offensively). Plus, he's dirt cheap this year and becomes a free agent this summer. Every time I turn on WEEI out of Boston...well, they are talking about pretty much anything but hockey. But when they do mention hockey, Jordan Leopold's name invariably comes up and I'd guess that's a similar situation in any number of hockey cities. With any luck, Giguere will be able to get a few teams involved in a bidding war and really maximize his return. I will be absolutely stunned if Leopold isn't moved.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Jordan Leopold 61 6 14 20 -10 18 1 0 1 1 77 7.8

Daniel Tjarnqvist ($750k, UFA): Tjarmin Ultra has been a solid pickup. He's accepted his 7th defenseman role professionally and has played well when needed. While it would make sense to deal Tjarmin to a team in need of depth for the stretch run, the Avs don't have a ton of NHL-ready talent in Cleveland. If the Avalanche do move a couple of defensemen, Tjarnqvist could stick around - a direct impact of the Kyle Cumiskey injury.


GP G A P +/- PIM PPG SHG GWG GTG SOG PCT
2008 - Daniel Tjarnqvist 30 2 1 3 -1 6 0 0 0 1 16 12.5


That concludes my look at the goalies and the blueliners (I'll examine the forwards a little later in a separate post). To summarize, I think it's a given that Jordan Leopold will be moved, with Brett Clark, Daniel Tjarnqvist, Ruslan Salei and John-Michael Liles also potentially moveable (in order from most-likely to least-likely to move). I don't really expect either goalie to move, but it's not beyond the the realm of possibility.

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nice post

i completely agree with that assessment. What do you think will be the return for Leo?

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:11 AM MST reply actions  

at first, I just shrugged my shoulders. But then…

http://www.nhl.com/deadline/2008/completed_deals.html

check out Brad Stuart. his numbers at the deadline were 63-5-16-21. Almost a dead match for Leopold. Stuart is better defensively (right?), but otherwise there were similarities (Stuart was a pending UFA as well, although his salary was higher). Anyway, he netted a 2nd and a 4th which doesn’t seem all that spectacular, but I guess it’s better than nothing…

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions  

i too think a 2nd and a 4th is close, and coming from a team like boston, that super low 1st is possible too.

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:34 AM MST up reply actions  

or, I wonder if the Penguins are still looking to unload that Malkin guy. I need to send an email to Bruce Garrioch

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

they’d better include a pick too, amirite? Malkin + 1st for Leopold!

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

deal!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

As always I enjoy your thoughts DDC. And agree with most. The guy I’d like to see moved the most, especially given his salary, is Clark. But that would take FG outwitting another GM, so not likely to happen.

I’d actually also like to see Hannan moved. To me, he has been very slow this year, and not much of a force on either end. Especially given his salary. And I’d actually like to see Leo stay. But agree with your rationale on why he probably won’t.

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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 25, 2009 10:18 AM MST reply actions  

Hannan

I keep wondering if he’s underperforming or if the coaching staff is hanging him (and other defenders) out to dry.

I mean Adam Foote and Rob Blake looked incompetent in their own end Granato’s first time around. And a defense that looked pretty good last season (Foote, Clark had an ok season,) all of a sudden looks lost.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

I have wondered the same

On paper this should be a very good defense all around. But for some reason it isn’t performing. Hannan is part of that, he hasn’t performed well since coming to the Avs. Is this due in part to the style/philosophy of the Avs organization? We’ve seen some other good defenseman come into Colorado and not do some of the things they used to do. Even Rob Blake stopped making some of the big open ice hits he was known for; was it his age, the system, or a combination of both?

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by Americanario on Feb 25, 2009 12:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t know how it doesn’t point to the system.

Quennville is known as a “defensive” coach, isn’t he? And we had a fairly good defense under him, compared to this year anyway. It seems like everyone from fans (and me!) to the team complained about that style of play but hey, we nearly made it to the playoffs one year and did last year with a load of injuries. And right now Chicago is 4th in the confernece, second in their division.

I don’t understand what Granato brings to the team. Based on the product on the ice, he’s a jack-of-all-trades, master of none and staffed with similarly experienced assistant coaches. He seems like a nice guy that gets along with management and apparently that kind of harmony is more important to the organization than winning.

The only other alternative is that collectively, the team is untalented. While I think there are one or two players that truly fit the assessment, the team is largely the same as last year which succeeded under Quennville. So what does that tell us?

by Cheesus on Feb 25, 2009 4:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Goalies

I have this scary senario going thru my head where the Avs, unable to sign a #1 goalie in the off-season, let Budaj go for nothing and decide to give Raycroft the job and bring up Weiman as the backup.

by From the Point on Feb 25, 2009 10:29 AM MST reply actions  

Just a dream

Budaj can’t go for nothing, he’s an RFA. They could, however, go with a Budaj-Weiman tandem if they do nothing.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:30 AM MST up reply actions  

Weiman is a pretty decent goalie, or at least was/is in the minors. I really don’t see why they haven’t tried him yet, this last 20 games is a perfect time. maybe they’re waiting for the deadline?

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:33 AM MST up reply actions  

as long as Raycroft and Budaj are there, there’s not much of a point to calling him up. I do imagine they’d like to give him a look, though

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 10:35 AM MST up reply actions  

True

I’d really like to see the Avs trade Raycroft or Budaj this week and spend the rest of the season looking at Weiman.

Maybe one of those two will develop “tendinitis” or something.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:37 AM MST up reply actions  

btw jibble, i was trying to comment on your site yesterday and the verify word thing wasn’t popping up so I couldn’t. if you’re wondering why there’s no comments lately. :)

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

Same thing was happening to me at Avslova. I think blogger’s got some problems right now.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

ditto – I had trouble too, but I figured it was just because I am dumb

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

I had trouble a week ago or so as well, eventually it loaded, just seemed to be VERY slow loading.

by From the Point on Feb 25, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Push

might be the push i need to switch to wordpress.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

what about not making my eyes bleed, when will that fix be coming? ;)

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Never

Is it the brick background?

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions  

to answer your question about the RFA numbers, see here http://tinyurl.com/bw22mn

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:44 AM MST up reply actions  

very funny

and thanks

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

If the Avs don't want to sign Budaj

and July 1st passes w/out trading him, can’t anybody sign him? That would be result in him leaving “for nothing”. No?
Maybe I don’t understand RFA, but don’t the Avs have the right to just cut him loose?

by From the Point on Feb 25, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions  

Well

I’m not sure how it works. I think even if they don’t sign him, and someone else tries, they are entitled to compensation. I’m not sure how long that rule applies though, so they could let him go, but it’s extremly unlikely.

I think Budaj has the option to file for arbitration as well.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

they don’t have to tender a qualifying offer, but there’s really no earthly reason for them to do so

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

So the Avs would still get nothin' for Budaj, based on this table...right?

The current expected RFA compensation table for 2008-09 is:

Amount
 Compensation Due
 
$863,156 or less
 None
 

by From the Point on Feb 25, 2009 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

it’s not about the current salary, it’s about the new offer’s salary. so we won’t know until someone offer sheets him. which i would fall out of my chair if it occurred.

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 10:53 AM MST up reply actions  

OK

no, I don’t think he will get one either.

by From the Point on Feb 25, 2009 10:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Forgot to include

that Leopold owns Chris Osgood, so any team worried about the Wings should totally snatch him up

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 10:34 AM MST reply actions  

To be fair though, 98% of the NHL owns Chris Osgood.

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by Savage33 on Feb 26, 2009 1:07 AM MST up reply actions  

or, Chris WasNeverReallyGoodButWasCarriedToAFewCupsByGreatTeams

why else would the Wings try to replace him almost every year?

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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 26, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Fernandez

It seems likely to me that Boston wants to get some value for Fernandez before the trade deadline because he’ll become a free agent and clearly should be a #1 somewhere and will. I know rumors float around but the price for Fernandez may just be a player like Svatos, Clark or Leo. We likely won’t be able to afford Backstrom, who will command 7 mil easily. I would completely support trading for Fernandez with the stipulation of resigining him.

As an aside, the past two games Clark is playing like he doesn’t care and that he knows he’ll be traded. I hope he is.

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:10 AM MST reply actions  

yeah, my talk about the Avs making a deadline deal for a goalie was with Fernandez in my mind. I could see a deal between Boston and Colorado involving Manny and Leo.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 11:13 AM MST up reply actions  

I may be off the mark, but there seems to be some very good rapport between the front offices of Boston and Colorado. Maybe they are still thankful we got Bourque a cup. I hope that fuels a deal.

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

I’m not too keen on Fernandez. He’s still in that window of recovery for his knee injury, and while his numbers this season were good, he WAS injured again and his stats may be inflated by playing behind the Boston squad that appears to be good at all the things the Avs are bad at.

If he’s brought in as a bridge to depth already in the organization (Cann, Delmas), that’s one thing, but he could just as easily be the goalie version of Forsberg and we’d see a ton of Budaj/Weiman anyway.

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by Mike @ MHH on Feb 25, 2009 2:51 PM MST up reply actions  

True.

I don't believe in Peter Budaj.

by BraxtanFILM on Feb 25, 2009 4:30 PM MST up reply actions  

but why would we trade for a UFA to be if the season is over? We can just sign him as a free agent for next year if we really want him…

I don’t see it.

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 11:16 AM MST up reply actions  

We can trade with the stipulation of resinging him. Or better yet, trade and resign him before other teams have a chance. That sort of thing does happen. Albeit not often.

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:17 AM MST up reply actions  

yeah, I think the Avs would have to have some idea that they’d be able to re-sign him.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

ok, i see what you’re going at. Still though, Fernandez isn’t bad, but I don’t see him as anything more than a stopgap measure. he’s going to be 35 at the start of next season. He’s an improvement, but is he going to be a difference maker on this team? I don’t think so.

I’d rather go for a pick in trade, and try to improve in UFA or RFA (Harding is a prime target if Backstrom is re-signed) this offseason. There’s plenty of other goalies with Fernandez’s talent that are younger and/or less injury prone out there even in this bad goalie market. Garon will be out there, Biron, even the FLA backup that’s been good, Anderson.

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 11:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Fernandez

has played so long in Minn with that system…could his decent numbers be a product of that system? I’m not convinced he is really worth pursuing.
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by From the Point on Feb 25, 2009 11:30 AM MST up reply actions  

I would also support getting Leclaire, if he is indeed touchable.

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions  

He’s a valid option too, but CLB’s asking price will be very high, I promise. And their fans might FREAK OUT about dealing with us again. What is it with Columbus’ fans?

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 11:47 AM MST up reply actions  

They just hate Adam Foote

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by Angélique C. Murray on Feb 25, 2009 5:11 PM MST up reply actions  

And therefore also hate America.

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by Bob in Boulder on Feb 26, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

How about

Fernandez and Regan.

Actually Regan and a pick. If we really want Fernandez we’ll just wait until the offseason. The only way we should take Fernandez is as a favor to Boston to free some cap space for them (and with that favor should be a pick or something that we can use, naturally)

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 11:38 AM MST up reply actions  

I’ve never seen him play, all I see is that he rated as a 7.0C by HF, and that means they say his potential ceiling is a journeyman #1 and it’s even odds he does reach even that potential. And we already have a 7.0C, Delmas, and I don’t think anyone is banking on him…

Have you seen him play? Is there something I’m missing? You seem pretty high on him.

by thedoctor on Feb 25, 2009 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

They also gave Steve Mason a 7.5C. So they could be wrong…

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Nope

I’m pretty limited on AHL prospects. To be kind of fair, the best grades they give out are 8.0’s.

Even if he only turns out to be that high, the avs need goaltending depth in the minors. Even if he doesn’t work out into a top goalie, it wouldn’t hurt the Avs to go after him. I’d much rather have Rask, but I don’t think Boston’s giving him up at all.

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

I don’t see the logic of taking fernandez. UFA and 35. As a rental for a cup run, sure. But that’s not the Avs. Picks and prospects should bethe expectation.

by Dario on Feb 25, 2009 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

35 is young for goalies!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Feb 25, 2009 3:32 PM MST up reply actions  

With our lack of cap room I don’t want ot get in a bidding war with LA or a team that has space.

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Lack

We don’t have a lack of cap space…(especially if we can get rid of Clark and/or Salei)

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by Jibblescribbits on Feb 25, 2009 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Limited in the terms of going after Backstrom’s type of money. If Sakic returns that 6 million to him, we can’t entirely free-wheel. Then again if we get rid of those two defenseman, we can and I think will try to get Backstrom.

by c6hor8 on Feb 25, 2009 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Ohh to still have faith in the front office! Those were the days…

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by Mike @ MHH on Feb 25, 2009 2:53 PM MST up reply actions  

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