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I'm Confused.

I don't want to make a big deal about this, but I am a little confused by the recent words of Adrian Dater. Let's go back to that famous paragaph from Thursday night:

I won’t mention any names, but I saw a couple of Avs players after this one standing in the halls, laughing and telling jokes with friends. Meanwhile, I saw Ben Guite still sitting in his uniform well after the game, staring off into the room.
The picture I get with this team finally - the one of 2008-09 - is that some guys cared and some didn’t. Make no mistake, the guys who didn’t care will be gone soon.

I talked about that on Friday, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Clearly, folks are curious to learn the identities of these cads. But Dater is not going to give them up. He has rules.

But I’ve always pretty much told the many Avalanche players I’ve covered over the years the same thing: If I see you do something at a bar or at the hotel or we happen to bump into each other coming out of Shotgun Willie’s at 2 in the morning and I see you chumming around with a lady friend who may or may not be your wife, I don’t care. I just don’t.

Otherwise, I could see a player walking arm in arm with a transvestite back to the hotel at 2 in the morning, and I’m not going to care about it. It’s their private life. I draw the line at that. Talking in the halls after a game is part of their private life, I think.

Okay, two things. One, do we REALLY need to associate the Avalanche with transvestites again? But more importantly, I appreciate Dater's noble attempt to separate the players personal lives from their professional ones. There's nothing wrong with that.

Except...

Roy smashed up Hartley’s office with his goalie stick, after being pulled briefly in a game, one in which the Avs won but Roy didn’t get credit for the victory. The Avs did a good job of keeping it quiet, but a few days later I got word of it and wrote about it.

Many of you will remember that infamous Roy story, and Dater mentioned it in his blog one year ago (in Blood Feud as well, IIRC). So, how come one incident is reportable and one isn't? If anything, I'd think it would be the other way around, since Dater didn't actually witness the Roy outburst, unlike the recent shenanigans.

Look, I honestly don't care who did it. Okay, that's not true - I am mildldy curious, but I think I can go to my grave without knowing the truth. But there are folks who follow the Avalanche who want to know and the excuse given for not naming names here is a tad thin. Actually, I think a better reason to preserve the anonymity is listed later on in today's article:

I’ve seen people laughing and joking at actual funerals before. Sometimes that’s how they deal with death and despair.

It probably is a bit unfair to out the players, because people do react differently to situations like that. We don't want to focus too much on what a player says after a loss, right?

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DD you missed the point!

I’m popular!

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 22, 2009 11:37 AM MDT reply actions  

I really did want to get that in. I was trying to close on the fact that AD isn’t all bad, as he obviously has terrific taste in bloggers. Enjoy the game and the brews. Just don’t mention my name, and you should be all set!

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 22, 2009 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

DD is just a little miffed that he is no longer the one receiving Dater’s ‘favors’.

Enjoy your beer jibbles…

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Mar 22, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Damn

I thought that pic was going to be of Per Ledin in gold, and I have to see that horrible tranny. Where do you find this stuff? Nevermind, I don’t want to know.

As far as dater goes, I put a whole bunch of questions in his blog and I thought he did a reasonable job of answering them in his post today. You’re right that the line is a bit thin in re to roy and budaj vs the laff and joke crowd, but thats where he draws it. Are you sure you aren’t just jealous because AD is going on a date with the uber popular Jibblescribbits? (Sorry, someone had to say it…)

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on Mar 22, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah

I’m buying too, because I’m classy.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 22, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m buying too, because I’m classy filthy rich.

fixed.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 22, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 22, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Difference

I see the office smashing as team-business, because it’s an argument between a player and a coach between something hockey related. To me, that’s all hockey.

I am one of the few who don’t want to know who was yucking it up outside the locker room after the game. The curios side of me does, but even if I know who was joking around I wouldn’t have proper context. It’s not right to judge those players (which we all would do) without proper context of why they were laughing and joking. If I were friends with one of the players, I might try joking with them to cheer them up after a loss like that.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 22, 2009 11:48 AM MDT reply actions  

suck up

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 22, 2009 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

wait, not only are you a suck up, but you just refuted my argument with…my argument.

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 22, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did I just blow your mind?

In reality I only disagreed with your example. I see the Roy-Hartley incident as hockey-related, and I can see why the players joking after the game is more personal.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 22, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

That. Just. Happened.

Shake-and-Bake.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 22, 2009 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

My curious side...

also would like to know, but then I think of this… I have often wished that we were like montreal or toronto and could have an entire sports section devoted to hockey. Then I realize much of it would be about this, which in context may or may not have been meaningless. Then I’m not so sure I want to read page after page of debate on it. Then I think maybe I would, because I don’t think I ever have laughed or joked after a loss, even in rec league. So maybe I’m confused too….. Good thing I’m off today, I can start drinking for the game early.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on Mar 22, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Mildly curious as well...

I agree that the joking around may or may not be important. I would be satisfied if later this year Dater just put a few comments in his blog telling us if said guys are still here or not.
I suppose it could implicate guys that aren’t here anymore and weren’t ‘guilty’ of joking around in the halls.
Wow, Jibble, a beer. And I can’t even get an email reply, humph!

by From the Point on Mar 22, 2009 1:37 PM MDT reply actions  

Wait... what?

You sent me an e-mail? Which one. I’ve had what seems like 400 e-mail in the last 3 weeks asking me to do a “link exchange”. Aren’t you Real Denver sports (you’ll notice I added the link to your blog on my website).

Sorry if i didn’t respond, i didn’t know what to say, but I did add the link :)

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Mar 22, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, no, no

I meant I can’t get an email reply from Dater. Sorry
And yes, thanks for the link!

by From the Point on Mar 22, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Of course my curiosity is piqued on the laughing crew

but for all the reasons everyone has already said, it wouldn’t be fair to them to know who it was. Moreover, I’d hate to find out it was someone that I like…and would then have to rethink that affection. (and no, I don’t just mean my boyfriend.)

However, I believe one of the most important parts of Dater’s paragraph is sadly being overlooked.

Meanwhile, I saw Ben Guite still sitting in his uniform well after the game, staring off into the room.

Many people have been ranting on Guite all year, saying he doesn’t have heart, doesn’t put his all out there, should be traded, whatever. I’ve always appreciated the man and this makes me feel some vindication in that, as does his play of late. Now if he could only bring back the ’stache…

Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

by BeachNSnowGirl on Mar 22, 2009 3:02 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I believe I’m in the minority, but I dislike the stache. Not just on him either- on anybody. To me it just screams “white trash”. And that saying something, because i live in white trash town…

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on Mar 22, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed!

I’ve thought Pornstar was a heart player all year. And I took heat at work for complaining about his being sat on a regular basis. He plays a lot harder than several other guys that rarely get sat down.

by From the Point on Mar 22, 2009 3:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree completely. He’s a true lunchpail kinda guy who actually BRINGS the work ethic with him when he comes the rink, unlike some other players on the team…

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Mar 22, 2009 5:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're all curious...

…sadly and embarrassingly, but curious nonetheless.

With checkout counters brimming in intrusive schlock such as People Magazine and the like, it’s kind of amazing we took so long to jump aboard.

Of course we’re curious. Many folks elevate the players from their teams to insanely high podiums, hence the increasing interest in blogs, i.e.: if the MSM’s don’t get em, the bloggers will.

Two summers ago I found the admittedly mild Jay Bouwmeester DWI story at an innocuous Edmonton newspaper’s website. Finding that interesting, and never having heard it before (it had gone down a couple of months earlier) I blogged it. The next day, all the locals went wall to wall Bouwmeester, albeit respectfully. Suddenly it was a headliner for the Panthers: A sports star in trouble! I guess the Heat and Dolphins were on Sabbatical from the nightclubs on South Beach at the time. Slow news day, and whatnot.

It was a zero story, but the mainstreamers gave it tremendous attention once exposed.

For better or worse, this is the society we share.

by Donny Rivette on Mar 22, 2009 3:10 PM MDT reply actions  

If this story has done anything, it’s reaffirmed my undying support for Ben Guite.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Mar 23, 2009 6:19 AM MDT reply actions  

When it comes to Dater

you will always get mixed messages – depending on his agenda. If it suits his agenda to call out a player he will, or, in this case, if it suits his agenda (to tease the reader) not to call out the player, he won’t.

Since I wasn’t part of the conversation between the players, I am not going to pass judgment on it. However, regardless of who was or was not part of that conversation, if there are any players on the team who don’t give a damn, please find the nearest exit. The team and the fans don’t need you.

I still have that visual of Guite sitting in the locker room, dejected. He, along with all other players who go out and give 110% every night, deserve a lot better than this!

Avs. Sticking it to the Red Wings

by hockeymom on Mar 23, 2009 9:52 AM MDT reply actions  

If it was me

after a crap game like that I’d probably want to laugh and joke about something, anything with my friends instead of sitting in my stall, dejected. I used to get incredibly worked up after traing seesions when I thought I played bad, I blocker punched locker room doors open, threw my mask and then sat there pissed off and dejected and it achieves nothing, dwelling on the game doesn’t help since you can’t change anything. After said training and throwing tantrum, one of my mates said I pulled a Conway (after a D3 scene) as a joke and it helped me alot more than sitting there dejected did. It doesn’t mean I didn’t give a damn about the game because i still wasn’t happy about it but atleast i didn’t think about it and make it even worse.
Anyway, thats probably how those players deal with loss, try and forget it and move on.

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Mar 24, 2009 1:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

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