Your Colorado Avalanche Trade Deadline Day Thread
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 7:15 AM MST
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Deadline day is here.What will GM Francois GM be doing? Will this be a relatively minor sell-off (Leopold, Salei, Tucker) or will this be a full-scale demolition (Smyth, Hejduk, Laperriere). I'm still leaning towards the former, especially as it sounds like GMs are going to be a little less reluctant than normal to A) add a lot of salary and B) part with top prospects / picks. The economy strikes again.
It's an odd experience to be a fan of a team out of the running at the deadline. Normally, we're used to seeing the Avalanche stock up at the deadline - Blake, Bourque, Fleury, Kasparaitus, Theodore. This year, instead of wondering which new player we'll be welcoming to the fold, we're wondering which player(s) we'll be bidding farewell too.
I expect to be around all day and any Avalanche trades will get their own posts as soon as I can get them up. This open thread is for all your Avalanche trade chatter - rumors, breaking news and the what not. The SB Nation Trade Deadline hub is up and running as well. So, figure out a way to distract the boss and then sit back, grab your favorite beverage...and wait for the trades to start rolling in.
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Brett Clark
What do you think the asking price is for him? Equal to Derek Morris?
While we didn't land Leclaire
I would say the market for Svatos was just set. If we’re going to have a lot of guys moving today, let’s hope we can land a similar package. Columbus is really going for it. We should see if they want to do another Foote for a first rounder ;D
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I’m not all that jazzed about Leclaire. honestly, I would have rather gotten Vermette
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 8:23 AM MST up reply actions
I can agree.
Leclaire wasn’t someone I really was all that interested in, but if the price of a Vermette type of player is a young goalie and a second rounder, I think trading Svatos looks more appealing than it did 3 hours ago.
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Okay
In my quest for 4 million mouse clicks, 500,000 F5 presses, and 1.5 million Alt+Tabs, I managed to unearth an interesting audio clip done yesterday from the World Wide Leader.
The ESPN Podcast featured ALL THREE of their hockey gurus: Scott Burnside, Pierre Maguire, and some guy named LeBrun. I think I got those right. I dunno. I’m tired. Anyway, I listened to all 31 minutes of the podcast in which the Avalanche were talked about quite a bit, actually. Some tidbits I figured I would share with my personal thoughts in parentheses:
-They aren’t sure if Lappy will be moved because FG “loves Lapierre so much that he might just take his chances on re-signing him down the road.” This is the last piece of good Avs-related content.
-Ownership has ordered the team to slash payroll as attendance “is in the tank” at The Can and moving some salary is expected.
-Ryan Smyth might be traded, but seems to really love Denver. However, they said he needs to realize this team is not getting better in a hurry, especially in the uber-tough Western Conference, and could play out the rest of his career without ever seeing the playoffs again. (Ouch)
-The Avs have “very little” in the pipeline to help turn the team around in the near future. (It was only a brief mention, but I disagree to some extent. While next year might be a bit too soon, I think two years from now some of these guys, especially on defense, are going to start seeing some NHL action.)
-Surprisingly, very little was said about Leopold, as he was mentioned as possibly being moved as often as Liles was (once each).
-In their collective opinions, the Avalanche are the worst team in hockey right now. (Hard to argue, but holy shit does it suck to be viewed this way)
-A slight bit of mocking Avs management as they mention the goaltending as “a disaster” and one of them chimed in with a sarcastic “Nobody saw that coming!”. They can all suck it. Raycroft is apparently nice kid but “hasn’t had it for some time now.”
That’s about all they had to say about us. I’d link it, but if anybody really wants to put themselves through that ringer, they have to dig it up on their own.
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They just need someone to criticize
They’ve had their fill of Toronto and LA. Although the never seem to comprehend that while we had a horrible season, we still have a first line of Stastny, Hejduk, and Smyth. All all-stars. LA has Kopitar, Brown and ????. I mean give me a break.
Well
I think they’re right that as of this very moment, we’re playing the worst hockey in the league. What strikes me as fascinating, though, is the Win column. As much as we can all hate the loser point, it’s helping the Avs stay in the basement right now. If we were .500 in our OT/SO games, we’d probably be right with the Thrashers in the standings.
In that interview, btw, they talked a bit about the Kings and how bright that future looks. Interesting, really.
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Oh i admit
We are the worst hockey team playing right now. But this is an outlier season in my opinion. We did nothing in the off season with no goalies. Not a surprise we sucked. Phoenix added big names and they still suck. Those stupid, pedantic sport’s writers love watching the mighty fall. We will be back.
Also, rumor is that Montreal called up Marc Denis. That might mean Halak will be traded. Please let it be to us.
Just heard from Canadiens camp on TSN.
Supposedly very, very quiet with the biggest news being that Tim Connolly went home from an “optional practice”. I dunno what all this means, but I’m having fun. I live for this stuff.
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worst hockey team over the last week, but I don’t know if I that’s really quite the same as what they are saying.
LeBrun was the guy on Saturday who said Giguere has been ordered to slash payroll and that Hejduk may be on the move.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 8:27 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah
I know we are over the last week, and I think they’re saying overall, but at this moment, I wouldn’t argue with them too much.
I know who LeBrun is, but I couldn’t remember his first name for the life of me and looking it up honestly wasn’t worth it. I haven’t really followed any rumors this deadline for the first time, like, ever. This is fun.
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I only know him from his HNIC appearances, but I’ve always found him to be pretty good. not good enough to make me ever go to ESPN.com or anything, but still
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 8:34 AM MST up reply actions
My only experiences with him
are in the column he does with Burnside and I just hate them. I read them because I’m a moron.
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Where
Is this podcast on espn’s site? Stupid question, I know but I couldn’t find it.
Also, we are the worst team in hockey right now. Man, didn’t think I would be saying that even one year ago!! Sad demise for the Avs.
Just to ESPN
and click on their NHL section. It should be right there with a little audio box next to the link.
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Coaching
I assume nothing was said about how well/badly the coaching is doing for the team?
Probably not since the focus of today is the players but I’m interested in an outsiders perspective of that aspect of the team.
Not a word mentioned at all.
I don’t think I heard the word Granato.
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Haha
One of the TSN guys would take Leopold over Morris. What the hell? Has he watched Leopold AT ALL this year?
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I think Leopold has had a very good year, actually.
/would still take Morris
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 8:29 AM MST up reply actions
Offensively
I’ve loved him, but I’ve found myself slamming my fist against the desk a lot of times watching him try to play defense. I think Morris is a better balance of the two.
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I mean, he’s not getting my Norris vote, but I still think he’s been better defensively this year then in the past
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 8:43 AM MST up reply actions
Calgary
A source tells Sportsnet that Flames GM Darryl Sutter is offering the team’s 2009 first-round pick to try to get a defenceman.
Brett Clark, pack those bags!
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 8:38 AM MST reply actions
Let’s just hope the Flames can tone it down a bit so the Avs get a higher pick out of it. Right now they’re looking at the late 20’s.
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The late 20s
at this point would still be okay. We could be looking at a guy like Drew Shore (Colorado native and elite skater) or maybe the top-notch talent who just hurt his knee (his name escapes me atm) a few weeks back. This is a deep draft and multiple Top 50 picks would be great news, especially if we’re keeping them away from division rivals.
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No doubt about it. Just the magic of getting an extra first round pick and the Flames getting none would be worth it.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
This is my hope for the day.
Stealing the Islanders thunder and loading up on some picks.
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And then the Avs can spend the rest of the year tanking it for Tavares.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
Sshhhhh, Joe’s been sleepin’. Don’t ruin it for him…
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I guess I should have said “the Avs can KEEP tanking it for Tavares.” A little clarification I suppose. I haven’t been THAT asleep.
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Oh god.
It wouldn’t forgive the Morris trades, but it sure would help that seesaw even out a bit.
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Clark is a possibility. Because of the Flame-outs first round losses, they need a Western Conference defenseman who had experience.
And, hey.
With Kipper not playing as great this year, they could really use an elite shot blocker!
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This commercial on TSN
about not drinking and driving is extremely creepy. It honestly made me uncomfortable watching it.
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Nope.
But I do know Calgary has an extremely bad human trafficking problem.
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I’ll try to help out…I’ve got TSN, Sportsnet, The Score and XM 204.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:12 AM MST reply actions
I’ve got a Canadian satellite hook up in my house.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:18 AM MST up reply actions
I was just really impressed
with the way you came in and said with little subtlety “K, boys, I’ll take it from here.” I lol’d.
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My bad, I didn’t mean to come off that way. I’m all over the net and TV today and I’ll try to drop some rumors and such for the great folks here.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:20 AM MST up reply actions
No no.
It’s just how I saw it and thought it was really funny. Not at all a bad thing in my mind. And I agree with doc, that’s hardcore.
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lol thanks…I’m a bit of an obsessed hockey nut
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:23 AM MST up reply actions
I’m gonna drop in and state that I hope they don’t trade Leopold, unless he wants to leave.
Everyone probably agrees, but I’ve lost quite a lot of faith in the avalanche front office over the last 3 years.
i completely disagree. Leopold is a good puckmover/offensive guy, but his defense is atrocious. worse than clark’s.
Yeah the Chicago front office finally has their act together. No way they’re trading for Arnason.
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Oilers
are looking for someone to help in the faceoff circle. Arnason…?
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Talks
for Olli Jokinen to head to Calgary. TSN dudes say “detailed discussions.”
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They’ll be more teams interested at the draft.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:28 AM MST up reply actions
yep. Svatos + (Calgary’s) 2nd for Harding a the draft, jump on the bandwagon!
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by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
Yup.
I figured Harding would be a draft day deal before a trading deadline deal. If Minny makes the playoffs and Backstrom gets hurt, gotta have that insurance.
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Can’t see that happening with Price struggling.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
Once the waiver wire clears after noon eastern, things should pick u.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
Vermette
sounds real sad about leaving Ottawa. I kind of feel for him listening to him talk about leaving his teammates.
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Yeah
But it was weird to hear Leclaire sounding so excited to go the crappy team and then hear Vermette mostly talk about being sad about leaving Ottawa and sounding really bland about going to a playoff race.
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Flames interested in Leopold according to Sportsnet.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:38 AM MST reply actions
Leopold to Calgary official
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:39 AM MST reply actions
Nicholat, prospect and draft pick
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:40 AM MST reply actions
Leopold to Calgary
for a prospect, a 2nd rounder, and Nicholat. Jori just scooped me. Damnit.
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i think the avs are his 5th team, so not very good—or just good enough to move around.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Mar 4, 2009 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
I’ve decided I’m not going to complain or criticize any moves Colorado makes today. The simple truth is the team as it was this morning was a failure. Time for a new team. Whoever goes, goodbye and good luck. Whoever joins, welcome aboard and good luck.
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Well
If we make more moves like this, the rest of this season is going to be a bummer but draft day is going to be a hell of an exciting day.
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32 year old career minor leaguer
In other words, Giguere’s kind of guy.
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by Bob in Boulder on Mar 4, 2009 9:47 AM MST up reply actions
my bad
His number is 32. Still a career minor leaguer. That 2nd round pick better be this year.
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by Bob in Boulder on Mar 4, 2009 9:49 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah, he’s 30 and has been all over the place. Looks like a career minor leaguer.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=2646
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sportsnet
pros:
Moves the puck crisply out of the defensive zone. Has offensive ability. Plays a solid team game.
cons:
Is undersized for the NHL level and lacks the defensive acumen to play a regular shift in the big league.
so about like Leopold :D
Nycholat was picked up off waivers…he’s fodder. The second rounder may be in 2010, still waiting confirmation on the prospect.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:46 AM MST reply actions
jesus, i just woke up
and i tuned in to tsn just in time to hear an interview with Jordan Leopold, ‘newest member of the calgary flames’. wow. why the hell did i sleep in so much??
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
OT, but the commercial keeps popping up
Anybody else geeked for the Watchmen movie?
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Good to see I'm not alone, then =D
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
Prospect is Ryan Wilson…trying to find more info.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:51 AM MST reply actions
Yeah, not a great return for Leopold.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
Second round pick
is via Montreal in the Tanguay deal. Let’s hope Montreal keeps sucking.
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This year then?
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by Bob in Boulder on Mar 4, 2009 9:53 AM MST up reply actions
And get another pick.
It may not be in my coveted Top 50, but it won’t be far off.
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I’d say a career minor leaguer would only be considered a 6th D on a pretty sucky team. So I guess, sadly, you’re right.
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by Bob in Boulder on Mar 4, 2009 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
Getting rid of that 3.5 would be very helpful.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Can we stop trading with the same TEAMS
it’s always Calgary, Florida, Phx, etc. Don’t the floating heads in the front office know any other GM’s?
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:00 AM MST reply actions
Maybe those are the GMs
who like the deal with us the most because they consistently fleece us (save the Salei deal last year).
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:01 AM MST up reply actions
all i have to say is
Jeff F%&king Shantz
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM MST reply actions
* twitches *
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:02 AM MST up reply actions
Tellqvist to the Sabres, Leafs claim Gerber, Stars claim Morrison.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:03 AM MST reply actions
Andrew Raycroft.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:06 AM MST up reply actions
Very bizarre.
TSN speculating that they want to shut down Toskala.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:05 AM MST up reply actions
I guess one thing make me happy
I don’t have to see Leo’s “Great Kazoo” helmet any more paired with the unipron
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:04 AM MST reply actions
The second round pick is fine. I would have preferred a 4th of 5th rounder the roster fodder. Yet, perhaps they plan on trading another defenseman and need the extra body.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:06 AM MST reply actions
Telqvist is only good against Colorado
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:08 AM MST up reply actions
though Pang isn't
as bad as that other Phx announcer that creams " Shooooooooooooottttttt!"
he makes me “verp” when i listen to avs/phx games
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:11 AM MST up reply actions
I wish
I could get myself to stop reading Eklund.
I HATE that guy
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:09 AM MST reply actions
I think it probably will be
which would be too bad, but dumping Clark would be awesome. “Slashing payroll” should include more than trading a d-man making under 2 million.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
Buffalo
must really hate Lalime of they traded for Telquist or Miller is on the shelf for a long time
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:12 AM MST reply actions
Smyth and Hejduk staying according to EJ Hradek (ESPN)
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:16 AM MST reply actions
the only two players
other than lappy that consistently play hard and back check even when we’re down 3-1. Sure let’s trade them.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
Seriously
I just never, ever thought they would be traded.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Unfortunately, we are in unchartered water (as sellers) and have a GM who is a complete idiot so I was actually a little worried on what they would do with those two.
that’s great.
but Hradek is THE WORST at this stuff. like Bruce Garrioch bad
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
Pierre LeBrun just confirmed they wont be moved; Smyth mostly because of his contract.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:19 AM MST up reply actions
This is good
We may need to shed salary but keeping those core players give me hope that our GM isn’t crzy
Pierre LeBrun I believe
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
Pierre!
Thank you.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
A second round pick is what I expected. I think the value is fine. Not great, but fin.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:23 AM MST up reply actions
let them be excited
They won’t make it past the first round of the playoffs, then need to resign Leo who should be making more money. Then a team like Florida signs him. Good for Leo. Good for us for a prospect. And the flames get nothing except another first round loss.
It’s a deep draft; you wont see many firsts moved.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:26 AM MST up reply actions
on the plus side, Mirtle has watched Wilson a lot and thinks Wilson is a good prospect.
http://www.fromtherink.com/2009/3/4/780449/avs-deal-leopold-to-calgar
I’d be thrilled if I were a Flames fan. They have a comfortable lead in the NW division and just acquired a decent defenseman for basically nothing.
Wow, that sounds familiar. Oh, the good ole’ days!!
kinda like getting Drury
for….
ok, I’ll stop. Here’s to hoping that 2nd round turns into a shutdown center adn the porspect turns into Jeff Finger. Or the Brett Clark of two years ago.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:27 AM MST up reply actions
a 2nd round pick is not next to nothing
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
Every round of the draft is a crap shoot. The more picks, the better the odds of getting an NHL-caliber player. I’m happy with whatever the Avs can pull down.
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way to stay positive. I’m taking lessons.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:31 AM MST up reply actions
We drafted Stastny with a second rounder.
You just never know.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:32 AM MST up reply actions
Really?
I dunno about him….
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:28 AM MST up reply actions
are you sold on
Kari?
I know he’s big. But has he really panned out? I like the upside of Josh Harding better myself.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:29 AM MST up reply actions
30 year old career AHLer puts up a half-season of good play on a good team with a defense first mentality. that screams flash in the pan to me.
big no.
guess he’s not the second coming of Tim Thomas… hu?
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
yeah, Lehtonen or Harding are the guys I would like to get in a trade. Lehtonen has had some injuries, but puts up good numbers in a shooting gallery. He was considered a can’t miss prospect, and actually has lived up to it, he’s just on a crap team.
Plus he’s young and not too expensive.
I am
He’s been pretty good (for a bad team) when healthy. I don’t mind taking a risk on injury riddled guys, because injuries are a crapshoot. I mean Leopone was very healthy until he came here, and then he suddenly became mr. Glass
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
Lombardi and possibly a first for Jokinen….still a rumor and more could be involved.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:33 AM MST reply actions
+1
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:36 AM MST up reply actions
so that’s where Calgary’s 1st round pick went…
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 10:38 AM MST up reply actions
Jokinin for Prust, Lombardi and a 1st
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:39 AM MST reply actions
that’s a lot
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:40 AM MST up reply actions
How the hell
are they going to make the money work?
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:41 AM MST up reply actions
Just have to.
They do not have that kind of space.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
Either they have some big time LTIR or they will have to make another move.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 10:42 AM MST up reply actions
Boston lands that Anaheim defenseman
Montador, not Pronger
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:41 AM MST reply actions
I thought Guerin already knew who the team was?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 10:48 AM MST up reply actions
tsn's online feed kinda sucks
they just keep repeating old bits, no new info, they havent even announced the boston montador trade or the pheonix – calgary jokinin trade.
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
im watching the online feed and thye havent come thru yet.. are you on the online feed?
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
I have a guess
and it’s no.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:52 AM MST up reply actions
Just call him "Cash"
and you’re money.
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by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 10:54 AM MST up reply actions
1st round pick to PHX is conditional (either 2009 or 2010)
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:02 AM MST reply actions
how many arms Jokinen breaks
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 AM MST up reply actions
Flames choice
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:05 AM MST up reply actions
Flames also received a third round pick in the PHX deal.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:04 AM MST reply actions
They are really bashing Jokinen pretty bad on TSN.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:11 AM MST reply actions
NHL Network too, although they softened pretty quickly
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 11:12 AM MST up reply actions
Dater speculating that Foppa to announce NHL retirement in Denver tonight
I just put up a fan post about it.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
way to bum me out, Bibby
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Positivity!
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
by A.J. Haefele on Mar 4, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
No surprise
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:14 AM MST up reply actions
Shit
Worst. News. Ever.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
another perfect choice this season…though we all knew this one was coming eventually.
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by Americanario on Mar 4, 2009 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
Figured
But still, shit. Never is good to see your favorite player ever retire.
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?
FYI
Ryan Wilson has been officially assigned to Lake Erie
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 11:21 AM MST reply actions
doe that make you think we’re not moving another d-man this deadline?
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
it might, but the Avs have guys like Campbell or MacKenzie that I think they’d call up before Wilson
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 11:28 AM MST up reply actions
The Monsters fans will be happy. They have been pretty ticked off at the Avs.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
Recchi to the Bruins
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:22 AM MST reply actions
Recchi + 2nd for Lashoff and Karsums
Lashoff is supposed to be good, right?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
Recchin and a 2010 2nd round pick for Lashoff and Karsums.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 AM MST reply actions
err Recchi
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
???
Did we hit the Mile high posting limit?
or is it just quiet out there?
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 AM MST reply actions
this is such a nail-biter, im on the edge of my seat, unable to contain my excitement.
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
It is lunch time…
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
aaahhhh.
refuel.
not on the west coast though.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 11:54 AM MST up reply actions
AD
is totally back peddeling now…
as with anything Forsberg. “We shall see”
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 11:53 AM MST up reply actions
Dater replied to an email I sent and said Forberg’s parents are in town. Maybe to enjoy the nice weather or to see their son retire. Had to happen some time, I guess.
you have his private email address?
Guess you’re the one that bought his book
(chuckle)
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
newest dater post -
“Sorry for the false alarm folks. No Forsberg retirement announcement here tonight. While a retirement is likely to be official at some point soon, it won’t be tonight at the Avs-Wings game.”
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
haha, tsn backpedeled on dater's reporting
i bet that hes gonna be in trouble
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
oops
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
So far
Giguere has not done anything to address the team’s shortcomings. He has unloaded a (currently) reasonably priced but soon to be UFA for a draft choice and possible farm help. The needs he hasn’t addressed are:
1. A decent 3rd line center.
2. Unloading overpaid guys, especially defensemen and Darcy fricken Tucker.
3. Getting a legitimate number one goalie or at least a bonafide number one goalie prospect.
He hasn’t done crap. Maybe it is because it just isn’t possible. I’m sure other teams have access to things like “video” and have “scouts,” things the Avs apparently didn’t have in place before this past offseason.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
Did you really expect anything different? I think its a combination of legitimate difficulties and just plain being inept.
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?
The good lord protects drunks and fools.
Everyone send FG some alcohol!
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?
by TheRed on Mar 4, 2009 12:04 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I didn’t have high hopes for today anyway. It’s a much different feeling when the Avs are sellers and when other teams are nervous about trades anyway. It’s definitely a weird feeling.
I guess after today we just wait for the season to end and hope major changes happen in the offseason. But with FG at the helm, lord help us!!
I hear other teams also have “trainers” and “physical therapists” to help prevent common hockey injuries. The Avs don’t have any of those, either.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
Other teams
also have NHL “coaches,” “special teams,” and some sort of “system.” Let’s face it, until FG and TG are gone, this team is toast.
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by Bob in Boulder on Mar 4, 2009 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
To be fair, trades have been few and far between. The Avs weren’t going to address all of their problems today.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:00 PM MST reply actions
My thoughts exactly.
Why would the other 29 GMS let one of their rivals rebuild in one day? That makes complete sense…
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
what Jori said
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
For nothing more
than a conditional pick?
I’m sure it has to end up being a #1 pick….
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by Americanario on Mar 4, 2009 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
Pahlsson to he Blackhawks
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:07 PM MST reply actions
didn’t WE draft “His name is Sammy Pahlsson” ?
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Yes, he was an Avs pick and was moved in the Bourque trade.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
no… Ray + 1.5 years = Cup. Even though Rolston and Sammy have turned out to be good. Remember when we used to draft well.
(insert Vaclav Nederost joke here)
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
First round in the 2002 draft, 28th overall. Played one NHL game with the Capitals and is now back in Sweden.
here's one for you
Mikhail Kuleshov
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:20 PM MST up reply actions
Flyers looking at Derek Morris
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:12 PM MST reply actions
48 min
and i fear we may be quiet. Here’s to draft day craziness
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:13 PM MST reply actions
Slightly off topic, but
Do the Avs have any chance of winning tonight without Leopold? Sweeping the Wings was the one reason I wanted to keep him.
As long as we don’t need some one to score a penalty shot, or score out side of the first three shooters in the shootout we can get by without Leo. That is as long as Liles continues to shoot from the point and some one else shots in Leo’s place.
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by Americanario on Mar 4, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
Shawn Matthias/2nd round pik to Ottawa for Neil/Kelly
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:15 PM MST reply actions
Holy Smokes
Finally caught up.. stupid car repair shop making me sit in am isolated lobby on trade day.
Thankfully It doesn’t look like I missed much.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:18 PM MST reply actions
Havlat close to signing a multi-year deal with Chicago.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:20 PM MST reply actions
Good news
Havlat’s the exact kind of player that will work his way into Q’s doghouse and never come back out.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
A la poor Wolski…
The Baron didn’t deserve that
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:22 PM MST up reply actions
welcome to the Eric Daze years # 2
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:21 PM MST up reply actions
They aren’t trading Halak with Price struggling.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:25 PM MST reply actions
Surprised?
I’m not really surprised that there hasn’t been much activity, especially from the Avs, today.
The more I think about it the more I think people are terrified on taking on big contracts, and most of the Avs movable assets are overpaid. I thought FG might be able to sucker someone into Tucker, mainly because some GM will want some of that mystical “toughness” and “grit” but Clark is just too much money for the talent.
I think the Avs are going to be a lot busier on draft day than they are today.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:25 PM MST reply actions
My bad.
I feel asleep on the keyboard. Disappointing day. I’m gonna go to bed for realz now.
I am Jack's unbridled optimism.
plus
don’t a lot of deals trickle in after the deadline (due to the NHL approval process)
hope hope.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:28 PM MST up reply actions
Ok so the Guerin deal is beyond strange to me
Depending on how he performs the pick NY gets goes up and down. Has this happened before?
Yes, conditional picks exist in all shapes and sizes.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
last season
If the Avs made the playoffs Columbus got a 1st rounder last season (for Foote). If they missed it Columbus would have gotten this seasons.
God how scary would that have been with Columbus getting this season’s #1.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:29 PM MST up reply actions
didn't
C-bus pick a Staal with our pick we gave them for Foote?
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:31 PM MST up reply actions
They traded it to Philly for Umburger.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
right. i remember that now. They picked the Staal right before we got Delmas
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:34 PM MST up reply actions
Jared Staal was drafted by PHX
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions
i should know better than to tangle with you.
:)
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
excellent point
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 12:32 PM MST up reply actions
If that were the case:
It would be super dangerous considering how well he did in SJ when they grabbed him late.
Invisible man
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 12:36 PM MST up reply actions
the bright side:
Lappy, Smyth and Hejduk are still on the team.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 12:35 PM MST reply actions
Huge Rumor
Unfortunately, it doesn’t involve the Avs:
Jay Bouwmeester to Vancouver for Mason Raymond, Kevin Bieksa and a first round pick.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:38 PM MST reply actions
Just a rumor
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:39 PM MST up reply actions
And they are in no hurry to trade him away. they want playoff revenue and he certainly will help them with that.
I think he’s staying in Florida
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 12:40 PM MST up reply actions
I do too
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:41 PM MST up reply actions
Another Rumor
Antropov to Nashville
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:43 PM MST reply actions
Very little Avs talk
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:45 PM MST up reply actions
Dan Carcillo for Upshall and 2nd round pick
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:44 PM MST reply actions
Antropov to the Rangers
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:47 PM MST reply actions
That’s official, still waiting to hear what the return is.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions
Second round a conditional pick
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:50 PM MST reply actions
err 2nd round and conditional pick for Antropov to the Rangers
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, sellers have been asking for too much. It’s a deep draft, teams don’t want to give up the picks.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:54 PM MST up reply actions
So
Brian Burke might be a posturing blowhard? I’m shocked!
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
Rumor
Ponikarovsky to Nashville
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:53 PM MST reply actions
Two draft picks going to Toronto
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
Another Bouwmeester rumor
To Philly perhaps
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:57 PM MST reply actions
Morris to the Rangers
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 12:59 PM MST reply actions
Deadline is here
Lets see what deals leak through.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:00 PM MST reply actions
Only 10 trades today. Teams aren’t giving up high picks and top prospects.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:04 PM MST up reply actions
One thing is for sure…the Avs will pass the Yotes and PHX will finish worst in the west.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:02 PM MST reply actions
I have faith in Tony G
As long as he is our coach, any depth is possible.
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by Bob in Boulder on Mar 4, 2009 1:09 PM MST up reply actions
Hmmm
I smell an “I believe in Tony G.” campaign, but completely the opposite of the original intention.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
Dawes, Prucha and Kalinin to PHX for Morris
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:03 PM MST reply actions
Good news for Lappy?
Since Lappy was not moved, does it sound more likely that they’ll extend his contract?
man, trade deadline is boring when you’re sellers. is this how other teams feel every early march?
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
It’s boring because of the unusual low number of trades. Blame the economy.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:06 PM MST up reply actions
Dominic Moore traded; don’t know where or for what.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:06 PM MST reply actions
Moore to the Sabres
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:07 PM MST reply actions
Second round pick
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
Christensen to Anaheim for a prospect (former second round pick)
Neil to remain in Ottawa
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:08 PM MST reply actions
jori are you using the same feed that the tsn people are getting? you are on point with this news, i dont even have to watch the show.
awaiting/fearing the trade deadline....
I’m watching it on TV, not online.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
in light of all the other moves
I think FG did fairly well in the take for Leopold. He also did the right thing in not trading Lappy. Unhappy he didn’t move anyone else, like Svatos, Clark, or Salei.
I think Clark and/or Salei would have been moveable if they were UFAs.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:13 PM MST up reply actions
Agree
If either of them didn’t have another year on their contract I think they could have been easily moved… but with another $3M+ year remaining, in this economy, they can’t be moved.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
this screws the Avs hard for next year, that’s for sure. The worst D in the west, and it’s all coming back.
Yep, ths team will struggle to make the playoffs again next year imo.
Yet, we’ll see what happens at the draft.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:16 PM MST up reply actions
Not unless they change the coach.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
Yep
a goalie cannot make up for the terrible play in the defensive zone. Avs need better coaching, IMO
Avs. Sticking it to the Red Wings
I don’t think the coaching is most of their problems. Q is not doing too shabby in Phoenix either. It looks like there’s no heart. And if that’s the case, it doesn’t matter who’s holding the wheel.
Huh? Q is coaching the Blackhawks….
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
isn’t that strike three for you today?
Wait, maybe I’m thinking of BenfromPortland
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Q
Is best suited as an assistant, because he does know his hockey. He has a solid X’s and O’s foundation. I’m not surprised at all that the ’Hawks are doing well.
What he lacks is the temperment. He puts people in a doghouse and then holds a grudge, and he elevates people and then doesn’t hold them accountable. It will wear on the players. He needs a person above him to step in and say “No this guy has actually been better lately”
Granato doesn’t know X’s and O’s at all.
The players look demoralized because of the lack of direction. That’s not a failure of the players… it’s a failure of the coaching staff.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 1:26 PM MST up reply actions
The players look demoralized because of the lack of direction. That’s not a failure of the players… it’s a failure of the coaching staff.
I’m not too sure on that. It is true that they look like they don’t know what they’re doing, but they’ve all been playing this game for at least 10 years. It’s not like you just forget how to play, because someone else is screaming at you to make the extra stride.
But his point was direction
Meaning style of play, etc.
If the coach lets the players do whatever they want, or doesn’t know what to do, the team goes to the crapper.
If the coach has a well-thought out style, the chemistry grows.
Chemistry is huge in every team sport, and the coaching staff is a big part of that.
Don’t assume guys who can play hockey (even really well) have the least idea about correct strategy. I know when I played soccer that the only thing on my mind was my specific role—-stay here, go there, do this, stop that. If I performed my role well (which was rare), and everybody else did, too, our team won. And we all had good roles to play because our coach was competent, so we could screw up a little here and there but the overall scheme was sound and we won more games than we lost, even without a lot of real talent.
Pro hockey players may be superb at playing specific roles, but if their roles don’t work together or the overall scheme sucks, the team doesn’t win.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
Agree
That said, every player has played in different systems growing up. Defensemen who are used to pinching and gambling a little on the blueline will have that natural tendency.
If the coaching system is more conservative and he’s not on the same page there’s potential for problems, even if, by himself, he’s doing nothing wrong. His partner may not be ready for that pinching (that’s what she said) and isn’t properly set up to cover for him if his attempt fails.
And that’s just one on-ice situation, there’s a lot more subtle and complex ones that happen on a game-by-game basis.
In summary: Coaching and tactics matter.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
His partner may not be ready for that pinching (that’s what she said) and isn’t properly set up to cover for him if his attempt fails.
You find that out soon enough during training.
For some reason everyone expects pro athletes to be mindless drones that only work when they get a proper input-code.
Of course tactics matter, like when to fall back and when not. But in the end it’s a judgment call from the player, and if McCleod feels he has to fall back behind his own goal there’s nothing any coach is gonna do about that. That’s just bad judgement from Cody’s part!
I’ve played football (you like to call it soccer) for 10 years, and I never worked with such specific roles. I played midfield (left) and all that the coach used to tell me was when to fall back or go forward. And the same goes for most of my other teammates.
I agree, that your team needs to click rolewise, especially if you have role-players. But pro sports in general really overrate the ability of the coach to change a team.
Of course he needs to keep his team together and have sound strategic thoughts, but those have been around the Avalanche franchise for years and you’re telling me NOBODY goes to TG and says “Well, we’ve won a cup playing like this. Wanna give that a go?”.
no one is saying the players are mindless dopes, but the coach is in charge of getting 23 players on the same page. I work with 20 capable, smart people who know what they’re doing, but if there’s not a manager there directing us everyone still does their own thing.
Yes coaching is terribly overrated at times, but I don’t think that’s the case in soccer or hockey. In soccer I have played a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 pretty much my whole life and could step into that system easily. But If i went to a team playing in a 3-5-2 or a flat 4 in the back or a 4-5-1 I would really struggle because I am unfamiliar with those systems.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
I disagree. I’ve always played different tactics with different coaches and after a few games where the coach is lacking control, players start to coach each other and it all starts to click. It just takes a little longer.
You DO need to have that experience/presence in your lockerroom, but I’m pretty sure the Avs have plenty of that.
The pattern going
is Avs picks up a goalie on his slumps, then rides his very limited streak to nowhere-ville.
I don’t think this will change whatsoever.
Well this is rampant pessimism
We still have Pierre Lacroix in the front office. They whole staff took a financial gamble on Budaj and Raycroft. It didn’t work. It was worth a shot. They know that without a proven goalie the fans will lose loyalty and interest. I have no doubt that will be priority A this summer. Defense follows goaltending. I have always believed that.
I agree. Theo also was a gamble. But in the end it wouldn’t matter who would be St. Patty’s follow-up. He was doomed from the start. Now enough time has passed for the Avs to realize strong defense and strong goaltending need to go hand in hand.
David Aebischer
he put up mega-solid numbers the year before the lockout–2.09 GAA and .924 SV% in 62 games
He sucked as hard as our current duo the year afterwards. It’s almost like his career highlights were spent backing up Patty
Too bad we didn’t out-bid Vancouver for Luongo and went with Theodore instead…
True
Majority of fans still want that Roy-like deal to be made.
It. won’t. happen. PERIOD.
The plan should be to build a goalie, not pick one up and hope he does well while leaving him open with shoddy D.
If we trade for
Lehtonen, Halak, Harding. That is what I mean for a goalie. We don;t need a Steve Mason type prospect but an NHL caliber starting goalie. We aren’t Nashville. We can’t produce 4 starting goalies in 4 years. We will get someone.
But building a goalie
Means he should have much more time getting used to the team’s plan and style.
Too bad the Avs have neither of those.
Well for now
But i think the Avs will be a lot more active at the trade deadline. I think they might be able to move one of them, or Tucker, and then buyout one and voila they have soem cap space.
I’m not worried yet.
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
TSN said more trades are still coming in.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:27 PM MST reply actions
eminger and a deal in Philly etc.
I’m surprised the Caps didn’t do as much as everyone thought as well as the oil
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
FLA/TB
Noah Welch/3rd round to FLA for Emingr
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:30 PM MST reply actions
Kevin Lalande to CBJ for a 4th round pick
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:33 PM MST reply actions
Avs according to Adrian Dater
“The deadline has officially passed, and the Avalanche has said there won’t be anything to announce, other than the Leopold trade.”
For apparent sellers,
FG didn’t do too much.
But that may be due to lack of marketable UFAs coming up.
Kyle McLaren from San Jose to Philly for a 6th round pick.
Wisnewski/pick to Anaheim for Pahlsson
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:36 PM MST reply actions
philly
can’t get enough of those yellow visors
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Yellow visors, hilarious!!
Remember, a few years ago, when McLaren was such a hot commodity and now he is quietly traded to Philly.
think he spent a majority of the last half year in the AHL after not being able to crack SJ’s monster D corp.
by Ben from Portland on Mar 4, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Travis Moen and Huskins to SJ
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:43 PM MST reply actions
Ducks receive Nick Nonino and Tim Pihlmeye also a conditional pick.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
er make that Nick Bonino
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
Jinx
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Anaheim
receives Nick Bonnino, Tim Pielmeier, conditional pick
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
Patrick O’Sullivan traded to Carolina
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:49 PM MST reply actions
It's a three way trade!
O’Sullivan is going from Carolina to Edmonton for Eric Cole.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM MST reply actions
LA receives Justin Williams
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:54 PM MST reply actions
This thing gets more confusing....now its four teams
Buffalo is also involved
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:55 PM MST reply actions
ruro raggy!
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
O’Sullivan and picks to Edmonton f
Carolina gets Erik Cole.
Williams winds up in LA.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 1:59 PM MST reply actions
What happened
to Buffalo?
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
There was something about Ales Kotalik being involved, but that’s a separate deal, not apart of this three-way transaction.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 2:02 PM MST up reply actions
3 underperformers, yes?
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 2:04 PM MST up reply actions
he could have become the next Lawrence Nychalat
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
On a related note
I wonder what the record is for most teams played for in one season.
I’m guessing three.
Okay here is who got what:
Oilers receive: Patrick O’Sullivan, Ales Kotalik
Hurricanes receive: Erik Cole
Sabres receive: second round pick (from Edmonton)
Kings receive: Justin Williams
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 2:08 PM MST reply actions
Technically speaking
Doesn’t look like a four way deal.
More like a 3-way with one the participating teams doing another separate deal.
Tampa sends Kolzig, Heward, Rogers and a fourth round pick to Toronto for Richard Petiot.
I get the feeling the Avs wont end up with a top five pick. Toronto and PHX are worse teams now.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 2:18 PM MST reply actions
4 words:
We
Still
Have
Arnason
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Mar 4, 2009 2:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That wrecks any argument saying we aren't the worst team.
Give him 1st center position and Avs will suck more than Timbits team.
the team is also liable to settle down and play better, as several others have noted.
:( i want matt duchene.
Yeah, they have 18 games left. It wouldn’t surprise me if they win half those games. I’d be surprised if they don’t end up with a top 10 pick, but top five is now in question. There is no doubt in my mind that the deadline affected this team. They’ll relax and play better imo.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Mar 4, 2009 2:28 PM MST up reply actions
I've seen him in action a couple times
I’d be thrilled if Avs got him, but really any of the top 5 would fit in.
Not so sure
Let’s see how Ottawa and Toronto play the next few games.
I think the Avs will be sitting in the 3 or 4 spot come the end of the season
by Jibblescribbits on Mar 4, 2009 2:36 PM MST up reply actions
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