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Avalanche GM Francois Giguere Fired

 

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Well, that didn't take long. Francois Giguere has been fired by the Avalanche and will be replaced by Pierre Lacroix "until a new management structure is announced."  I said last night that I thought moves would happen quickly. I was planning to write about Giguere later today, actually, but now it looks like that story will be more of a restropective.

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If you had to pick one, who would you choose as your GM
Francois Giguere
13 votes
Pierre Lacroix
181 votes
Eric Lacroix
27 votes

221 votes | Poll has closed

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YAY!

not so much because i dont like FG, but because this indicates that some changes will be made, and we may not have to wait thru another season like this one!!

awaiting the draft...

by mfured20 on Apr 13, 2009 10:44 AM MDT reply actions  

the fact that they didn’t whack Granato at the same time is a little worrisome

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 10:48 AM MDT reply actions  

Extremely

Especially since Granato has always kinda been Lacroix’s project, and I can see Lacroix wanting to prove everyone right. He’s a stubborn stubborn man.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

if pierre really is an ‘interim’ gm he may leave the coaching hiring to the ‘real’ gm.

awaiting the draft...

by mfured20 on Apr 13, 2009 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

God

we can hope.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Confused

I have no idea where to talk about this and comment now.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 10:49 AM MDT reply actions  

you can take your jibblescribbiting to a new level and start replying in the wrong threads

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

ROFL

That would be a new level of Jibble-ism

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by Americanario on Apr 13, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

almost one-upped this

I nearly started typing a response to a comment here on From the Rink (since I have a tab open for both of them today)

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think everyone saw this coming, I’ll believe in real change depending on who comes in to fix this mess.

I'm Mr. Positive

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 13, 2009 10:50 AM MDT reply actions  

in other news

Lacroix just offered the Avs first round pick for Chris Gratton

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 10:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Sigh

I really don’t want Pierre to be GM. He made some seriously questionable trades towards the end of his stint (and you could make the argument that he handicapped FG)

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

he’s not the GM…yet. interim.

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah

I don’t want Eric Lacroix hired either.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

same, but billington would be fine by me. and there’s outside candidates, i swear!

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Bah

The Avs scoff at your idea that someone outside the organization has “hockey knowledge”

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

unless they are currently outside the system, but at onetime we inside (Patrick Roy)…

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 13, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I stopped being excited about the prospect of FG being out when the rumors started flying about a Lacroix taking over.

In fact, I’d say I feel about the opposite of how I expected to feel on the moment of hearing of Gigure being fired. Which is to say, I expected to feel cathartic at this moment a month ago.

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 13, 2009 10:54 AM MDT reply actions  

if I were to choose between the two, I’d take Giguere

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

especially since I think Giguere’s biggest flop was hiring Granato, and I don’t believe that was his move

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

agreed…FG did ok over his tnure, but was still deservingof being fired. TG though, geez. as i said over at hf maybe they’re goig to le the new GM decide hs fate

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Poll added above

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Ummm

Can we have a d) none of the above?

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

i was just about to ask the same question.

I'm Mr. Positive

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 13, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

no way

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

how about e) not eric lacroix

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

The question isn’t really Who would you like to have as Avalanche GM? though, it’s If you had to choose one of these?. It’s like voting at gun point!

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 13, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

It’s asking who you want to play russian roulette with and not asking if you want to play or not ;)

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 13, 2009 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

That is not one of the Avs’ options, so it won’t be one of yours.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 13, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve never felt so influential in the democratic process. My one vote had a brief, but overwhelming influence on the bar chart.

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 13, 2009 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Man

That’s worse than choosing who you want as your country’s leader.

Definitely a lesser of two evils pick.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

http://www.milehighhockey.com/2009/2/17/761710/embracing-mediocrity-gigue

guess he probably should have done something in hindsight…

I'm Mr. Positive

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 13, 2009 11:01 AM MDT reply actions  

If Tony G isn't fired

… Then this firing seems monumentally unfair. The Granato hiring has Pierre Lacroix’s fingerprints all over it, and it was clearly the crown jewel of Giguere’s mistakes. In fact I bet Giguere still has a job today if he hired a different coach (like this guy).

Not that FG didn’t make his own monumental mistakes (cough Tucker cough) but FG probably was given the most difficult handicap to overcome.

(Unless of course it was FG’s decision to hire TG without Lacroix’s influence… then he totally deserves this.

And may god have mercy on his soul)

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:05 AM MDT reply actions  

From Mirtle

Mirtle talks, I listen

I’ve yet to hear a plausible scenario for someone taking over in Colorado, but Giguere’s ouster doesn’t bode well for Tony Granato behind the bench. All signs point to Patrick Roy coming in as coach in the near future, and it wouldn’t be a huge surprise if he has some input as to who wears the GMs cap.

And my optimism is now crushed.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:14 AM MDT reply actions  

i guess that means we haven’t hit rock bottom yet.

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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 13, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well

I think Roy is an upgrade over Granato, but I still don’t think it’s the right direction for this franchise. I’d really like to see Roy get some AHL experience, or NHL assistant’s experience before taking over an NHL club. I think he will be a good coach, but I just don’t think he’s there yet.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

maybe Roy can be a player / coach!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Funny

the way the season went, I thought we WERE an AHL team. Maybe Roy will just use the Avs as a stepping stone to coaching in the big leagues. ;-)

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by Colorado_Kitten on Apr 13, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ugh.

Why couldn’t we just hire Kevin Constantine as our coach and be done with it.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

I hadn't seen him

Bet he’s certainly on my list. I was making a list of good coaching candidates this morning when I was interrupted by the FG firing. I will certainly add his name to the list.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

although

being with the Aeros he may be in line for the Wild job

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if Mike Ramsey will be considered for that job as well.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

He should be.

He’s taken a very average Houston team and guided them to the playoffs two years in a row. When he took the job 2 summers ago, the Aeros were in complete disarray. The team was god awful, there was no semblance of discipline on or off the ice, and the team’s best players were the laziest ones.

Constantine came in, kicked the asses of the guys who needed it (everyone, basically), which resulted in some very talented guys going back to Europe because they were asked to play defense. He turned a shitty team into a playoff team, and this year with the team’s best players constantly shuffling to Minnesota and back, he continued to get the guys to play hard every night. Also of note is that Aeros position in the Top 5 in both PK and PP.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’ve always wondered why he didn’t get another chance in the NHL since recycling coaches is so damn popular. If the Avs are going younger than now is the perfect time to get a disciplinarian in there.

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by PPP on Apr 13, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Some things I forgot

Constantine also pushes the edge. He is very, very aggressive at the end of the game and goes balls to the wall. I’ve seen the guy pull his goal with 7 minutes left and down by 2 because the team absolutely HAD to get a point that night and the team was so damn lethargic. It totally worked, too. Lit a fire under the team’s ass and they potted a couple goals. He’s a damn good coach, imo.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Constantine also pushes the edge. He is very, very aggressive at the end of the game and goes balls to the wall.

He doesn’t have a chance.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

One good thing about Roy being behind the bench

He would never stand for players ‘Pulling an Arnason’.

You can bet he’d tear them a new one.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’d prefer if we just didn’t acquire players like Arnason in the first place

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Arnason Lives!

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jesus

He’s only 23ish, but he looks about twenty years older than that.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think we need to add that to the nickname book

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

+1

and rec’d

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree

But we have Hensick and Tucker on stage for next year.

We may not see Arny again, but we’ll have plenty of guys willing to fill in the ’Doesn’t Give a Shit’ hole Arny will leave.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Unless maybe we actually go out and hire an NHL coach. One smart enough to not play our Arnasons.

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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 13, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Which is why I said

Roy would be good for us, he would never stand for that kind of play.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t know much about Roy as a tactician. But you would think that he would at least command respect and light a fire under their arses.

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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 13, 2009 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

and happily take all the credit if the team does well

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Arnason is already back at Earls in Winnipeg….NHL season already a distant memory. Kinda like when he was playing.

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

How on earth could any GM make the mistake of signing not only Andrew Raycroft but also Darcy Tucker after the years they had in Toronto in 2007-08?

That has to be one of the big factors no?

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by PPP on Apr 13, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ugh.

At least you guys got the last laugh with Raycroft. I know it must have been torture when he was something ridiculous like 9-1.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 11:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oh God

Leafs Nation was on suicide watch at that point.

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by PPP on Apr 13, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

To be honest

I know I was pissed when his record was like that. It was so damn obvious that he wasn’t a good goalie, but people were pointing to his record and saying “THE TEAM PLAYS SO MUCH BETTER IN FRONT OF HIM, HE HAS TO PLAY”. That shit got really old, really fast.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Funny, I’m not reading much of anything claiming that the Avs would have finished above last place if they’d just let Raycroft start 70 games. I guess all that pro-Rayzor sentiment died pretty fast.

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by Joe Dunman on Apr 13, 2009 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

The fact that Toronto bought them out

Could have been a clue, but FG does not like “clues.” Nor did he find it necessary to conduct a “coaching search,” and actually “interview” candidates.

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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 13, 2009 11:56 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey now, no making fun on balding 23-year-olds. I was balding at 18, and now at 30 I have next to nothing left.

As for FG…ciao. Let’s make some more moves each day this week…starting with the coaching staff

by chiavsfan on Apr 13, 2009 11:48 AM MDT reply actions  

They can start playing musical chairs

and whoever doesn’t have a chair is fired, until one person is left.

It’ll make the next month or so actually interesting.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

So where does the franchise go from here?

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 11:56 AM MDT reply actions  

My guesstimate?

On the F4F path.

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by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Does Sakic return?

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

YES!

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I will not use this as an opportunity to break the Joe Sakic rule again. In fact, if the Avs get a competent GM, coaching staff, and training staff in place before next season, maybe there will be a ray of hope.

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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 13, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ray Bourque is coming back?!!

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 13, 2009 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hadn’t read the rule. Ok I won’t speculate. But I will say I hope he gets to go out with a full season. We can call it the Sakic and Modano year of retirement.

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

But I will say I hope he gets to go out with a full season. We can call it the Sakic and Modano year of retirement.

That would be nice.

Man, I’m reading all of this, feeling sincerely bad for Avs fans — and then I remember, “Wait, I had to try to rationalize Mike Milbury to myself for a whole decade.” I guess on the scale of franchise self-destruction, there are more levels you don’t even want to imagine. Hope you guys don’t experience them.

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by Dominik on Apr 13, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

You're right.

I’ve actually felt bad in the past because I’ve thought “Well, we aren’t the Islanders…”.

I sincerely am rooting for you guys, though. I’ve adopted you as my Eastern Conference team.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hope one day we can deliver!

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by Dominik on Apr 13, 2009 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I too am hoping that the Islanders can return to late 70’s early 80’s glory but it doesn’t seem possible with current ownership.

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

You may be right, but I have hope simply because it appears Wang has finally stepped back enough to allow the hockey people to do their thing. No more Yashin/DiPietro deals (I hope) nor rule-by-committee. The tipping point seemed to be last summer when Snow was allowed to say: Look, we need to restart, we need to be allowed to do it patiently, and we need to avoid short-term panic moves, even if {gulp} 582 man-games of injuries hit.

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by Dominik on Apr 13, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I am baffled. I hope and pray to Forsberg that they fire Tony G. I blame him a lot more than FG for this debacle.

They need a new GM, and I haven’t seen one candidate from outside the Avs organization mentioned, except Eric Lacroix. That worries me tremendously. It’s not so much that the Avs don’t have in-house talent (they might) but a refusal to even look elsewhere means they have limited themselves and are more interested in staying in-house than in actually building a winner.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

I put the vast majority of this season on Granato. The signings of Tucker and Raycroft, and to a lesser extent Hannan, are Giguere but his work on the prospect pipeline on this team has been easily the best work done since the team moved to Colorado.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still can’t believe Granato went from Head Coach to Assistant Coach back to Head Coach without being fired. Did he have a lot to work with? Not sure, but can he inspire the players he does have?

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

we can’t believe it happened either

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also

trying to pick between those options in the poll was excruciating. I kept waiting for the one where I go “Ya! That one!” and it just never came. I don’t even like my vote. I want to go back and change it. Damnit.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:25 PM MDT reply actions  

True

May as well make a poll about what excruciating way would you rather die.

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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 13, 2009 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Or

Who is your favorite Red Wing?

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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 13, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've already begun

contemplating the most creative way to die. Between the Broncos inevitably screwing up the great draft position they are in and the Avs probably doing the same, I’m planning for a long summer. I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but thank god for the Rockies.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

As long as Street doesn’t keep screwing up.

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

It sure was. Although doesn’t matter as I lost this week by 100.

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by WpgMikos on Apr 13, 2009 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Did you ever...

…think you’d see the day when the Nuggets looked like the most competently run Denver Franchise?

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely not

but their management team has been incredible for about two years now. Talk about a team pressing every button just right. I just can’t believe what’s become of the Broncos and Avalanche. Especially the Avs. I just didn’t see this coming.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

It could be worse for the Avs

They could have hired Bernie Bickerstaff.

Wait… I don’t want to give PL any ideas here

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh

I’m glad that I finally broke the Denver shackles and picked an out-of-town baseball team to follow. That means even if the Denver teams suck, I’ll be able to look outward…

..what’s that? The Giants were just swept by the Padres and Lincecum has had 2 sub-par starts. And they still have Barry Zito? Fan-fucking-tastic

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's still early.

The Giants should be solid this year, but I look for them to really be tough next season.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

their pitching will come around. Lincecum, Johnson and Cain are as solid 1-3 as you’ll find.

Their defense has looked very suspect, and they need some bats. So far they’ve been kinda fun to follow though. Lots of optimism and promise on the team.

I’m hoping this is where the Avs sit next season.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Honestly

Where the Giants are now is where I see the Avs in two years. I think next season’s Avs will be the Cubs of two years ago.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Cubs won their division two years ago. And again last year. I think you mean three (or four) years ago.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 13, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Two years ago

They might have won their division, but they were mostly still a talented team being developed. I didn’t mean to imply that we were going to win the division, just that we would be competitive and really take a leap the following year.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 6:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, right on then.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 14, 2009 6:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone else fear that

Now that Lacroix is (temporarily?) in charge, he would deal our 1st round pick for some aging vet?

I feel like the cap will keep something like this from happening, but I know this idea is going to be hanging out in the back of my mind until draft day.

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 13, 2009 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

I’ve already seen some speculation on something like that happening…though it was more on the lines that the Avs trade their pick for some kind of package deal. It certainly could be a way to “rebuild” if you were able to get the “right” package of young players. Could that be something PL could pull off? Maybe?

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by Americanario on Apr 13, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

A list of 2009 Free Agents

There are a lot of ex-avs on there making bank… We’re not the only team who over-pays then sends people to the minors… Miroslav Satan comes to mind. Nashville has Greg De Vries making nearly $3 Mil? Is 20-30 pts worth that these days??

So how fat do you expect Tim Thomas and Mike Cammilerri’s new contracts will be :p

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I doubt it…maybe in a weak draft class…but I think the Avs will take 1,3 or 4 and run with it. They might trade some aging vets for some late round draft picks to clear salary…if they can swing some good deals

by chiavsfan on Apr 13, 2009 1:50 PM MDT reply actions  

I hope we keep that pick although I was looking forward to getting Victor Hedman. What does everyone think of Peter Forsberg maybe coming back at the start of next year or how to deal with our goalie issue. Manny Legace anyone???

by Avalanche318 on Apr 13, 2009 1:52 PM MDT reply actions  

I think it’s time to let go of Forsberg.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on Apr 13, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

PLUS

he sells Crocs in Sweeden… If all the Nashville and Flyer success wasn’t a source of begrudgement for you, that oughta do it

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, and NO!

No I don’t think Forsberg is coming back; at least not as a player.

Legace is at the end of his career; even after surgery his knee was still bothering him. Some team may take a chance on him, but we shouldn’t.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Apr 13, 2009 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Goalie

We should trade for Lehtonen, Pavlecec or make an offer for Harding. Legace is Plan F

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, thank you.

How about (goaltenders):

Pavelec
Lehtonen
Harding
Clemmenson
Rask
or others -
or do something these other teams seem to do – actually give our guys in the minors a shot?!??!!?!?

Not sure I’d sign

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 13, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Rask

I don’t think Bostons willing to trade him.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clemmenson

how’s he done in the minors? He had a GREAT stint, but if memory serves, he;s been pretty average over his career, and I’m not convinced he’s pulling a Timmy Thomas

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like

Lehtonen and Harding the most

I could be missing something, but I don’t get why Pavelec is on the list

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Garon

Jibble and I are on the Harding / Lehtonen crusade together, but in the likely event that doesn’t pan out, I like Garon. He’ll be cheap, and I still don’t get why Edm. bailed on him so fast. Maybe I missed something, but he’s solid at least.

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

:/ @ Garon

He might be a bit of an upgrade and would be a much more competent tandem partner if Boods sticks

BUT

he’s played 67 games since the end of the 2006 season and his numbers are pretty poor in the last two years, with only 20 GP. If you look at his game log at TSN he seems streakier than our crew–it’s either a 95 or 80% game for him it seems. It averages out to a familiar .89x quite often with him.

I haven’t paid attention to him sytle wise, but i’m unsold…

Can I join the crusade? Do we have an insignia?

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Can I join the crusade? Do we have an insignia?

We will

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

God, Legace couldn’t make it on the Blues as a back-up, and didn’t do so hot down in Peoria. I’d rather give Budaj another year of starting if it came down to him or Legace. And I am not a Budaj backer. I would try to trade for Lehtonen or Pavelec out of the Atlanta system. Both are kind of injury prone…but lights out when on their game.

As for Forsberg. No, time to cut the ties to the past and move forward. And at this point in his career with the constant injury worry, Forsberg is more of a distraction than a help

by chiavsfan on Apr 13, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

OK, but...

Given what I’ve seen of him, he might not be willing to play second fiddle to Thomas.

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 13, 2009 2:00 PM MDT reply actions  

Interesting poll results

Overwhelmingly in favor of PL

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 2:00 PM MDT reply actions  

given the options...

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 2:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

This poll

May well have asked it I wanted to be kickied in the shin, the ass or the nuts. I’d go with ass, but I really wouldn’t be happy with any option.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

awaiting the draft...

by mfured20 on Apr 13, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Clemmenson would be sweet and so would Manny Fernandez.

by Avalanche318 on Apr 13, 2009 2:01 PM MDT reply actions  

I’d only take Clemmenson on the cheap (Less than 1.5M / year) and Fernandez is just too old for me.

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 13, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fernandez

Pretty average. Let’s fix the goaltending situation instead of just upgrading to mediocre.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have too many memories of the Avs eating Fernandez’s lunch in the early part of this decade to be a believer.

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 13, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Fernandez

I’m really curious what people see in him as a FA signing. I think the last thing the Avs need to sign an aging goaltender who is really riding out his team’s good fortune this season. His stats have been average this season, and never all that outstanding IMO.

He shouldn’t expect a huge payday this summer, but for the money he’ll be asking for, I’m sure there are better options. Given the choice between Boods and Fernandez, I’d keep Budaj without a second thought.

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 13, 2009 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

When will Billy Sauer be able to play?

by Avalanche318 on Apr 13, 2009 2:04 PM MDT reply actions  

List I love the replay fails...

but you should hit the reply button more…

And Billy Sauer just got benched, and then became backup for a Michigan team that didn’t even make the NCAA tourney. A better bet is Peter Delmas.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Listen*

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

or Trevor Cann. Delmas had a roughhhh year. Sauer may not even get a contract, imo. I’m guessing they sign Cann and go with him and Bacashihua next year in Lake Erie.

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Weiman on the outs?

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Apr 13, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

he’s a UFA, and this last stretch without a callup causes me to think the writing is on the wall.

it’s a shame too, Weiman is a good goalie and deserves a stab at the NHL

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Weiman

is going to be a very solid AHL goalie who will stick only in the NHL as a backup to a guy who is going to play 65-70 games a year. Since there aren’t that many of those…

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 6:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Delmas

got flat out lit up. I have no idea what his deal was, but this was a pretty bad season for him.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 13, 2009 6:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is too simplistic

Sauer was benched for one thing, his play in the frozen four. His regular season performances weren’t just good, they were outstanding.

If the Avs have a Hail Mary, Billy Sauer is my pick. If he’s a Turco/Nabokov type guy there are worse problems to have. The only issue he’s had was in a single big game. He’s young he hasn’t been in a playoff series yet, just one and done. I think there’s more than a little hope there.

by Dario on Apr 13, 2009 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmm

I was under the impression Sauer struggled in the season.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

This years stats were 2.02 GAA and .921 save %. His 5 and 6 record was largely due to the fact he had no goal support to start the year.

See http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/other/index.ssf/2009/03/michigans_billy_sauer_keeps_ba.html

Sauer had lost 6 of his first 8 starts but got a grand total of 10 goals of support in those 8 games.

by Dario on Apr 13, 2009 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow

He would fit right in here.

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

This poll sucks

for two reasons:

1) I didn’t come up with it as torture device when I was head of Gitmo
2) It’s likely Pierre Lacroix will read this post and think, “See, I AM the right guy for the job!” and then I’d have to kill myself…

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Apr 13, 2009 2:18 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I’m going to out on a limb and say that Pierre Lacroix does not waste his time with this shitty blog

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

how hilarious would it be if he replied here…

by thedoctor on Apr 13, 2009 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

My guess is he does

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by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

maybe.

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 13, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

sometimes lol is just an expression of amusment, and sometimes it means exactly laughing out loud. awesome.

awaiting the draft...

by mfured20 on Apr 13, 2009 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

HOPEFULLY

PL wouldn’t misspeel ‘diverged’ in his frost quite sig

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

"Misspeel"

Or is it a French-Canadian spelling? Trixie those French-Canadians are.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Apr 13, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Happy, I changed it. You guys just want everything dont you

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Apr 13, 2009 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thats not cool, I’m twice the man PL is, obviously not size wise but definitly coolness wise

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads divurged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Apr 13, 2009 6:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m twice the man PL is, obviously not size wise


That’s what she said

/3rd grade playground mode off

by Hopfenkopf on Apr 13, 2009 9:43 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I missed something here

Didn’t I?

2008-2009 Avalanche: It's like watching a car crash.

by Drakenlot on Apr 13, 2009 7:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can only assume it goes back to my GIANT ego and very high level of arrogance, especially when referring to my Kingdom.

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Apr 13, 2009 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

I need options for Michel Goulet and Craig Billington.

by Dario on Apr 13, 2009 7:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

goulet!

I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.

by wflan on Apr 13, 2009 8:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m a little late to this party, but here my first thought anyway.

Maybe we will improve in the off season.

by StructuralPoke on Apr 13, 2009 2:38 PM MDT reply actions  

Thats one cool, evil looking dog. I should get him to guard my kingdom

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Apr 13, 2009 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great news!

This is the first Avalanche news I’ve heard that made me audibly cheer.

If tomorrow’s headline reads something like “Granato and Colorado agree to part ways, Avalanche to ditch uniprons”, I think we’ll be in business. Oh, and a headline Wednesday morning…something about a draft pick…

I don't believe in Peter Budaj.

by BraxtanFILM on Apr 13, 2009 7:10 PM MDT reply actions  

All I Have to Say Is

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.

by texacogirl on Apr 13, 2009 7:33 PM MDT reply actions  

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