Conflicting Stories
The Colorado Avalanche are notorious for their Soviet-like vise grip on any and all information relating to the team. This complete lack of respect for their fanbase is, of course, infuriating. The Avalanche made a huge organizational change yesterday but instead of getting excited about the future, fans are left scratching their heads.
Even the beat writers are left wondering. Last night I posted the Aaron Lopez link where an inside source thinks that Tony Granato will be let go as well. But Adrian Dater thinks Granato might be spared:
While the Avs remain tight-lipped about firing Giguere, a picture is emerging that Lacroix blames more of the Avs' current troubles on Giguere's decisions than on Granato's coaching methods.
That "picture" can be summed up in one word: troubling.
I'm not going to nominate Giguere for GM of the Year or anything, but I don't understand how the Avs troubles this year can be thrown just on Giguere's shoulders. Remember, this is largely the same team that got to the 2nd round of the playoffs a year ago before injuries finally took their toll. Yes, Giguere made some missteps this summer, but Tony Granato's team played far below their capabilities all year long.
Dater points out Giguere's two big gaffes this summer: signing Darcy Tucker and not re-signing Jose Theodore. No question, the Tucker signing was terrible by any measure (and, I might add, one that seemed to have Lacroix's fingerprints on it). But, honestly, we need to stop this Theodore thing now. Theodore finished .01 ahead of Budaj in goals against average and .001 ahead of him in save percentage, all for just $3.5 million extra in salary. If Dater thinks we're in cap trouble now (he thinks that cap management may be factor in the firing), how would be with Theo's $4.5 milllion anchor around our necks?
But not every Giguere move this summer was a bad one. Yes, he banished Johnny Boychuk for Matt Hendricks. Boychuk was named the AHL's Defensemen of the Year and Hendricks wasn't kept on the roster even when he was needed. However, Giguere managed to re-sign John Liles and Adam Foote to cap-friendly deals when we thought he'd only be able to keep one. And he got a 2nd round pick for Brad Richardson - a significant coup. Really, Giguere's biggest mistake this offseason was, in my opinion, hiring Tony Granato.
Francois Giguere inherited a team in terrible shape. Years of Lacroix's poor early-round drafting and his aggressive trading had thinned the team's talent base. Peter Forsberg and Adam Foote had already departed under Lacroix's watch, and Rob Blake would leave a few weeks after Giguere took the reigns. Lacroix's bumbling of the transition to the salary cap meant that the Avalanche had to let these key players walk away.
Down the stretch, the Colorado Avalanche looked more like the Lake Erie Monsters. Interestingly, the two players who seemed most likely to make the Avalanche roster next year were TJ Galiardi and Michael Vernace. Galiardi is the one call-up that Giguere drafted and Vernace was the acquired in Giguere's first move as a GM (grabbed from SJ a 6th round pick). Meanwhile, Derek Peltier and Ray Macias seemed less ready to make the jump. Those guys are former Lacroix picks. Meanwhile, Giguere picks Kevin Shattenkirk and Colby Cohen appear to have a strong NHL future ahead of them.
While Giguere hasn't exactly returned the team to it's former glory, they are certainly in better shape today than when he arrived. He made some tough moves (Tanguay) to right a sinking ship. Don't forget the dead cap room Giguere inherited because of bookkeeping errors, not to mention the $6 million Jose Theodore upper decker Lacroix left before high-tailing it upstars.
I don't think that Giguere is a genius. His team did poorly - very poorly - and it cost him his job. I understand that. I just don't understand how there is ANY speculation that Granato will be retained. He deserves at least as much blame for this dismal season as Giguere does, if not more.
I couldn't help but notice the following nugget in an AP article on the firing:
After Colorado's disappointing season concluded with a 1-0 loss to St. Louis on Sunday, Granato said it was going to be a long summer.
If he stays, no truer sentence will be written this year.
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There is NO WAY that the injury excuse should spare Granato. Before the injuries the team was still playing like crap. They probably would have finished higher had Sakic and Stats been around for the entire season…but this team was never a playoff team with Granato behind the bench.
And it’s not only TG that needs to go, the ENTIRE coaching staff needs to go, and until that happens, nothing else will make much of a difference
There is NO WAY that the injury excuse should spare Granato. Before the injuries the team was still playing like crap. They probably would have finished higher had Sakic and Stats been around for the entire season…but this team was never a playoff team with Granato behind the bench.
This is completely reasonable and obvious to any Avalanche follower. It’s no wonder management doesn’t see it that way.
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 14, 2009 8:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Not re-signing Jose Theodore.
As I said yesterday… not re-signing Theo was absolutely, positively the best move that Francois Giguere made all summer.
Let’s not forget that Theo’s “better” numbers were in front of a vastly superior team.
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 14, 2009 8:36 AM MDT reply actions
Gaaaahhh
blockquote fail… I didn’t mean to strike that out, but I meant:
Not re-signing Jose Theodore.
Giguere’s worst move that no one (including me) talks about:
• Not re-signing Jose Theodore Kurt Sauer
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 14, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think there was much he could do to keep Sauer, though.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree. He’d have to have overpaid for him. And then where would he play? Remember our opening day roster on D? Liles, Hannan, Clark, Leopold, Salei, and Foote. Which one of those guys gets a seat for Sauer at the beginning of the season?
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
Overpay
I doubt he’d have to overpay for Sauer, since Sauer is underpaid right now.
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 14, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Sauer’s issue wasn’t money, it was playing time.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Again with the Theodore regrets.
We’d be more unhappy being in this exact same position at the end of the season, but with a $47 million(?) cap hit. If that were the situation, and we were so hamstrung by the cap, we might as well have called ourselves the Rangers of the west.
One down, three to go
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 14, 2009 8:41 AM MDT reply actions
except that the Rangers have a good goalie
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 8:44 AM MDT up reply actions
True. And they’re not playing their AHL squad. Maybe I wouldn’t mind being the Rangers of the West so much after all. :P
One down, three to go
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Apr 14, 2009 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions
fwiw
my working title for this article was “I’m gonna have to choke a bitch”
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 8:44 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
great post
very well said and articulate summary of the current situation. TG must go.
though I agree with you on FG, i do think there were more bad moves that led to FG’s firing — Sauer’s departure for such a steal of a price, Arnason’s 2 year contract, clark’s 2 year contract, etc.
That pic
Two guys with goat eating grins. Only Granato’s is more sinister. For the love of Roy please, please, please, please do not keep TG around. It would be an epic fail.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
Giguere
Gigurere’s smile looks like a “God I can’t believe Pierre made me hire this Bozo”
Granato’s looks like “I knew those pictures of a Pierre and a goat (© BiB) would come in handy one day”
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 14, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
The more I think about it, the more I think that Lacroix is just waiting on a new GM. I think that he’s serious [at the moment at least] about being an interim GM, and is looking for someone else to take of the reins. He would want to leave the coaching decision to the new guy… ‘New Guy’ can keep or dismiss Granato as he chooses. That way it doesn’t look like PL came in, busted up the team, and left someone else with a bag of shit to hold [meaning in this case no head coach, no assistant coaches, and the 28th ranked team… not to be confused with TG himself]. Let the responsibility lie with the new GM; see what he wants to do, with or without TG, Cloutier, Hackett, etc.
awaiting the draft...
i dunno, its the only logical explanation i can come up with. i dont really think hes so blind that he cannot see that TG is part of the problem and not the solution… he may be arrogant, prideful, and stubborn, but he’s not stupid. unless hes waiting until after the draft lottery, etc, to make his firing announcement… i dont know.
awaiting the draft...
I've been saying it all season...
Granato has to go—especially now.
I also agree with the sentiment that a lot of the franchises current problems were put in place before FG arrived. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like FG did a terrific job, but it wasn’t bad. I seem to recall him adding several pieces last year that helped put the Avs into the second round of the playoffs, and barring injuries, who knows.
It’s like blaming Obama for the economy.
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
We all know the economy is Clinton’s fault..
by Where is Bob Hartley? on Apr 14, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
he did get us going with an AHL affiliate thats all ours. that was definately a point in his favor. his drafting has been pretty decent; some names that pop out since he took over in ’06: Vernace, Stewie, Nigel Williams, Kevin Shattenkirk, Colby Cohen, Trevor Caan, T.J. Galiardi, Cameron Gaunce, Peter Delmas.
its the free agent signings and trades that im not a fan of.
i know everyone already knows this, but this is the first time i actually sat down and looked at the history and thought about it.
TG has to go. he just has to.
awaiting the draft...
Hannan and Smyth weren’t bad signings. Those two were at the top of most of our wishlists. Tucker, of course, was not. Ditto for Arnason.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions
they were not bad signings, and i didnt mean to say that they were. but they were certainly overpriced in a cap-era, which doesnt show much forethought for an accountant. smyth is one of the hardest workers out there, but hes not producing on par with what we pay him [he might be if we had a couple big point shots, but we don’t…]. hannan is a good player, very solid, but hes not producing at his value either [also maybe not his fault… do we even have a system that he could try to work into?]
alone these things are not bad, but cumulative they aren’t very good. there are holes all over our club, and while coaching may be the biggest one, it aint the only one. FG could have done a good job, but just missed some pieces that he should have caught, and when a couple pieces are missing the whole thing can crash down.
awaiting the draft...
Big point shot guys
Wasn’t that why Smyth was on a line with Sakic? I don’t think anyone anticipated Sakic being out almost the entire season. For next year however, they best be looking at getting a couple of those point shot guys.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
I still feel and have always felt that Hannan and Smyth are overpaid. Hell, I think Stastny is overpaid…
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
in a cap era he may be. i dont know if he’s yet up to the leadership role his pricetag includes. you gotta bring more than just a point a game; if he can do that then he may earn his money.
really we paid him to be a young sakic. im not holding my breath for quite that level of greatness.
awaiting the draft...
Was this photo immediately before or immediately after
Granato’s head spun around like a top spewing pea soup over the assembled media types whilst he croaked ancient profanities and heresies in a long dead pagan tongue with a voice like the grating of the bones of the damned arising from the depths of the Pit?
Just wonderin’
A few of you guys have pointed out that the Hannan and Smyth signings were some of the beetter pick-ups in Giggy’s reign. While I agree that both are good players, I have to disagree for one big reason:
Both of those guys are only as good as the complementary aspects of the team around them. For Smyth, if he doesn’t have a big point shot, he isn’t worth his salary as it currently stands. For Hannan, he appears to thrive in a tight, shut-down system/role that isn’t and hasn’t been played in Denver due to Le Robot. One analogy is stupid high-school/college kids who drop mad bills on racing tires and a load muffler for a POS rice-burner. They’ll never see any tangible benefit from the tires and muffler if the rest of the car isn’t upgraded as well.
So in summary, Giggy is a teenage punk with buyer’s remorse.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
who would you have rather had for that $10 million?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 15, 2009 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
For me its not who would you rather have, but price and term. I think, especially given Sakic’s powers of persuasion vs how long anyone could have realistically expected him to be around, that 8 or nine mil for Smyth and Hannan, or a year or two less on the deals, might have been prudent.
As for that 10mil to those two guys, I can’t recall a single person, me included, who didn’t think we got the free agent coup of the year. I guess there is a reason hindsight is 20/20. Maybe now we can give our guys 11 year contracts that only pay 1 mil a yer in the last 5 years to make up for it, as that is apparently the new way to go.
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

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