Three Is A Magic Number
All that for...nada. After all the talk about percentages and probability charts, the Islanders "won" the draft lottery, meaning there are no changes to the draft order of the bottom 14 teams.
Colorado holds the 3rd pick, the highest they've drafted since that Lindros fella. Despite all the Lacroix trade jokes, I think there's almost no chance that the Avalanche will trade this pick. Matt Duchene would seem to be the current front runner, but I don't think that is a 100% slam dunk yet. Evander Kane will likely get some consideration and possibly a few other players.
It got linked a couple of times in the comments here, as well as the HF boards, but in case you missed it, here's what Bob MacKenzie had to say about Duchene earlier today:
Jassi, the scouts love everything about Duchene. They like his size, strength, speed, skill and smarts. They see him as a character player, as someone who can score goals, make plays and work as hard without the puck as with it. There’s nothing not to like about the Brampton Battalion forward. Tavares and Hedman are heavy favorites to go one-two in this draft, but if there’s one player who could upset that scenario, it’s probably Duchene. Not to give it away just yet, but when we release a revised Top 15 draft ranking tonight on the NHL Draft Lottery show on TSN at 8 p.m. eastern, Duchene will be a rock-solid No. 3 but at least one of the 10 scouts we surveyed had him at No. 2, ahead of Hedman.
Yeah, I'll take that.

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I’d be happy with wolski at third, too. I think without having to face top d pairings he’ll be much better. /crosses fingers and prays.
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Plus Duchene can play winge
so it’s feasable to see Duchene-Stas on the ice together. Though I’d much rather see Duchene centering the second scoring line.
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just thinking out loud
Smyth – Stastny – Hejduk
Stewart – Duchene – Svatos
McLeod – Wolski – Jones
Tucker (ugh) – ? – McCormick
although I think Svatos is going to be traded, and Tucker bought out. Something will have to be done with Hensick, too, because I don’t know if there’s room for him.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 7:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Something will have to be done with Hensick, too, becauseI don’t know if there’s room for himhe really really sucks.
fixed
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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 14, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Nope, he’ll be a LW when he hits the show.
Colorado Avalanche Prospects (www.avsprospects.blogspot.com)
by Angélique C. Murray on Apr 14, 2009 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
i take it your not optimistic about Lappy being re-signed?
My take
Smyth-Stastny-Hejduk
Stewart-Duchene-Wolski (His last chance IMO)
McLeod-Galiardi-Jones (I like this McLeod and Jones thing on the same line)
Tucker-Lappy-McCormick
His last chance meaning Wolski. I’m getting sick of his inconsistency and almost Arnason like attitude (I agree with Dater on this).
Except he was one of the few forwards actually working his tail off every game…
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Maybe my opinion is sckewed (sp?) due to the “talent” he was playing with but I thought he was non-exsistent.
Well, if you’re talking about production, no your view is not askew. Svats failed to convert many times. However, he hunted the puck like his life depended on it and never gave up on plays. He also was out there checking guys way bigger than him no matter the consequences. The kid has heart and the will to play bigger than he is. Last season, I swear he scored every goal from his knees. This year, not so much.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
You are absotively right on that one.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
By a Girl, No Less
:p
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Why
does Tucker have to be a part of any of this? I guarantee you by the end of the summer I will skate better than Tucker. I’m on a mission.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Trying to be realistic……and I really think Svatos is gone.
Tucker may be sent to the minors I guess. Then that position would be filled by rookie A.
Have you actually gone skating yet, I reckon three or four times and you’ll be competing with him.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
LOL
I start skating lessons Wednesday of next week.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
To Properly Quote De La Soul
Three is The Magic Number
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
yeah, I agree. but that’s based on this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_is_the_Magic_Number_(Blind_Melon_song)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 7:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Right
Make me YouTube the actual song. My personal preference is De La :)
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
mine too. but I figured if I titled this Three is The Magic Number, someone would have pointed out that the original is A Magic Number. I was fucked either way
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions
(that’s what she said)
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 14, 2009 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha
Yeah, the School House Rock cover does trump De La time wise, that’s for sure.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Oh, and I think you and I are the only De La Soul fans here FWiW.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
I have always been more East Coast rap than west. Go figure.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Shame on you.
West Coast rap is where it’s at. We gonna re-ignite the war, girl.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Never Forget Where You’re From
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
That’s my line. No fair.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
I already did. You just said so. ^^
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Touche.
But you’re causing me to go into rage mode. Successful troll.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 8:37 PM MDT up reply actions
You don't even know
about punk rock. Don’t front.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
S'cuse e Moi?
Hmmmmpfffft. I was alive during the 80’s.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Playing some Tu Pac now. Feel better?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Absolutely.
Tupac is the fucking man. Also, you can’t point to your time in the 80s as a leg up. I know what music you were listening to back then. Erasure is not punk rock =p
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 8:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh Snap
Erasure. I never claimed they were. You, sir, are grasping for straws here.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Of course you do. Snowboarding and all. Main music staple, IMO.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Ouch
No knuckle dragging for me, I’m a telemarker. Half the binding, half the brain, twice the sheer powder pleasure. And while I like De La, there are just so many great hip hop acts I can’t even begin to call them my favorites. Sweatshop Union, Swollen Members, Atmosphere, Sage Francis, to name a few. I really have never been that big on some of the big names. Tupac? meh. The roots, jedi mind tricks, jurassic 5, they all blow him out of the water. But this isn’t a music blog, so while I could go on for hours about it (I am, after all, also a DJ) I won’t.
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Yep Hockey Blog
East Coaster’s respect hockey (and Star Wars) “tryin’ to get my force there back like Luke Sky” but why ouch? The only rap act I can say ouch to is Eminem since he is from Detoilet and even he knows how much that sucks. If I ever heard he was a Wings fan…. then I would say OUCH. Roots, Blackeyed Peas (east again) yeah.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
I have to add, I’m mostly all Gothic and Industrial Metal so take my opinion FWiW.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Sisters of mercy and ministry. two of my all time faves. Ouch because you referred to me as a snowboarder. That’s almost like calling me a wings fan.
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Oh
I apologize. All the skaters and snowboarders I used to hang with; we were all about De La, other east coast rap. Ministry, and other industrial metal.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Type O Negative
Has to be in there too..right?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Umm, not particularly. The things I’m really deep in are hip hop, punk, reggae, bluegrass, and (god I hate this word) “alternative” 90’s type stuff. Some of the others get lip service or i just have a few bands/people I particularly like. But others I just don’t like. No accounting for taste, right? Maybe I just had a bad album of type o’s, is october rust indicative of their talent level?
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October Rust
is amazing, IMO. One of my all time favorite songs is here
They are really goth which I dig but a lot of people don’t so…
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Also
I’m sure you have heard MGMT if you are listening to alternative stations in Denver. I too love 90’s Alt… but some bands, blech.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Unfortunately, I’m so stuck on my ipod that I don’t listen to much radio. Yeah, I know I said I’m a DJ, but its for kygt, the local LP fm station. I get to play whatever I want, and not what clear channel tells me too. (still gotta abide by FCC rules tho). So I rely for new stuff, or new old stuff, on suggestions from friends and hearing things people say I might like. Some are great, and some, like you say, are blech. Always good to hear of anything new. Just got a bunch of Jello Biafra’s stuff that I hadn’t had til now. Only had him with nomeansno and The DK’s before.
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What??
Clear Channel? What, do you DJ for 93.3? C’mon man. Franz Ferdinand, play more Rage Against the Machine, tap some Gorillaz, New Order, and MGMT and you’re good to go across many genres.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Hell No
kygt, its 102.7fm, but you can only get it from the twin tunnels to the eisenhower, or stream it at kygt.org. Some of my favorites lately have been sisters, new model army, medeski martin and wood, and any hip hop that I can get away with (i.e. no use of the n-word or any variation of fuck, which really limits a lot of the hip hop I like.) Also bluegrass. But rage is a good idea, I’m gonna go look for a good song now. And Bad Religion too. I looked at playing “clint eastwood” but for some reason I didn’t. I’ll have to go back and see why not.
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ahh, now I see. Too much shit and fuck. I’d spend half the song blanking it out.
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Try “Feel Good, Inc.” Clint Eastwood rocks but that sng will suffice. Medeski Martin and Wood? Eh. Hippie shit. But it’s the moun-tains. Guess that works. Puddle of Mud is another +1 if mine and remember, you’re the only radio I get from Idaho Springs to Empire…
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Yeah
played “let them eat war” this last weekend. I’m really glad they went back to their roots. The last two albums have been MUCH better.
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I knew I loved MHH for a reason.
Members with good taste.
Wait. That didn’t come out right….
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions
In music and hockey players, eh? I agree.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Of course
We’re all very tasteful. No one has complained about us hijacking the thread yet, so there’s that. Phadouche is a bitch, and so is Darren McCarty. There. Hockey related.
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And
Red Wings suck and will be kicked out in the first round of the playoffs.
AmIright? Oramiright?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Amirite.
Lurn 2 interbutts, plz.
<3
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 10:37 PM MDT up reply actions
As long as osgood gets owned like the bitch that he is, I’m good with it.
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d00d
Wings and BJs?
That sounds like the perfect Saturday night.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha
What?
(that’s what she said)
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Don’t forget the “Vented WideMouthed Can!!!” /barf. Best thing about the season being over. No more shitty commercials.
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A-MoFo=Men.
Can I get a witness?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
After you, my friend. After you.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Well, yeah.
But I’m SUPPOSED to be a nerd.
Everything in my life has pretty much been nerdy to some extent. Even my maniacal love of all sports is nerdy.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 10:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Still friends?
This thread had such an old school feel to it…
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 14, 2009 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I like that one but “fire coming out of the monkey’s head” is my favorite. I like some wierd shit I guess, including hippie stuff. I’m on alt saturdays 3-4 pm. but not for a month cuz I’m going on vay-cay. Whoo hoo. So maybe you can hear me in the summer. Its replayed too, but I don’t know when, so ehh. I really wished we archived it on the net, but….
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I hope I’m no where near there by 3-4pm seeing as my destination is way further .. but knowing me I will be lol.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
traffic on saturday up here, well, you just never know, do you?
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Ha
I’m lucky to get out before noon on a Friday.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Did anyone else notice
Matt Duchene touching the Stanley F*cking CUP!
isn’t that a no no?
i watched the youtube video.
Maybe the sakic & roy jersey counter act that but frankly, I’m a little worried
by Ben from Portland on Apr 14, 2009 9:40 PM MDT reply actions
I mentioned this in another thread somewhere here, but was wondering if it was exempt because he had a family member involved. I always thought that was a big no no, too. I’m long since past the time of my nhl dreams, but when the cup came to Denver during the all star game, I didn’t particularly care to be in the line to touch it.
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Totally Excited
about Duchene! The Avs ended the season 29th in the league in goal support at an average of just 2.17 goals per game. I know defense has also been an issue (29th in the league there), but you can’t win if you can’t score, which was really, really evident in the last stretch of the season.
Doc, I hope you are feeling okay, because I expected you to be one of the first out of the shoot with mock lines.
Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.
Stop the presses
In a rather curious move, the Avs have traded the 3rd pick in the upcoming NHL draft to Toronto for the 7th overall pick ….. and a goat?
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Shit
Don’t scare me like that. I’m almost expecting Lacroix to end up screwing this up somehow, so this kind of headline is what I’m dreading.
2008-2009 Avalanche: It's like watching a car crash.
Sounds like Burke is shooting for higher than the #3 pick…
by c0nquistad0rian on Apr 15, 2009 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
How will our draft choice fit into the team's salary structure?
Since there seems to be a lot of talk about the Avs’ perceived salary cap problems with just 13 players signed for about $44 million, I’ve been wondering how Duchene’s (or whoever else we might draft 3rd overall would fit in salary cap-wise.
Jibble posted a prediction of the team’s cap numbers for next season, taking RFA’s into account. But, I don’t recall if that factored into account the possible inclusion of an entry level contract from a top 3 draft choice and I didn’t find the post:)
His entry level contract will be for 3 years and the maximum salary that he could make would be $900K. The maximum amount that he will be able to make in bonuses is $2.85 million per year, so a maximum cap number of $3.75 million for the first three years can be assumed. Although, I don’t know if the 3rd overall pick would get offered that full $2.85 in bonuses. That’s Crosby/Ovechkin/Malkin territory. In the past 3 seasons, only the number one overall draft choices in Stamkos, Kane and Erik Johnson have received the maximum amount of contract bonuses.
Just eyeballing some other top picks from recent drafts, I would guess that the third overall draft choice would have a cap number in the $2.5-3 million range.
Here is a quick over view of the entry level contract system: http://nhlscap.com/els.htm
by c0nquistad0rian on Apr 15, 2009 9:28 AM MDT reply actions
most opinions I see seem to think Duchene could benefit from one more year in the minors, Jori included. He’s too young to play in the AHL, interestingly enough, so it’s got to be the OHL. but the OHL only allows a certain number of games played as a pro (9? 14?) before you lose your OHL eligibility and MUST stay in the NHL. And I don’t think preseason counts.
So Duchene probably will get a look see at the start of the next season if he impresses in camp. I doubt he plays the whole year though. 2010-11 he should be up full time. But if he DOES stay up next year, hockeymom, here’s a stab at lines if we don’t make many changes. I think Svatos and Lappy will be long gone too, and Hensick a callup.
Smyth – Stastny – Stewart (Not the fastest line, but big and skilled)
Galiardi – Duchene – Hejduk (Both young guys need that vet presence)
McLeod – Wolski – Jones (a true shutdown line, finally. Big, hard-hitting, and with offensive power to boot)
Stoa – Guite – McCormick (this 4th won’t play much, but has PKers)
and of course you’ll see Hensick and the 4th liners get folded in to larger roles as injuries take their toll as well.
It’s ten games. So, he could play nine and then get sent down. I think that happened to Wolski before his “rookie” year.
by c0nquistad0rian on Apr 15, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
question
Could Atlanta take Duchene instead of hedman to keep kovachuk happy? They did draft a d-man high last year. Doesn’t matter that much to me personally, D men do seem to take longer to develop then forwards.
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Apr 15, 2009 10:37 AM MDT reply actions
Atlanta is at 4. TB has a huge need for a D-man, so I think they’ll take Hedman.
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by Bob in Boulder on Apr 15, 2009 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
as everyone says, it’s TB, not ATL picking at #2, but the question is still a good one: could Hedman or Tavares slip to #3?
TB is going to be in intense talks to trade Lecavalier for the next 2 months. If he is traded, they’ll probably want D in return. the kings, habs, and rangers are the teams rumored to be after him. while it’s hard to imagine a package that would appeal to the lightning from MTL, I could see the kings offering Jack Johnson and Frolov for Lecavalier, or the rangers something around marc staal (staal + a 1st?). then the TBL pick Duchene at #2, and they’ve got their 1 2 punch down the middle, a #1 young D to build around, and they’ve already got decent goaltending - all on the cheap. it really does make some sense in terms of dollars and cents.
we’ll see. I personally think the Avs need Duchene more than they need Hedman, but at the same time, Hedman could be a generational talent in a way Duchene is not. I’ll be happy either way, but it will be interesting to watch.
If it was any team other than Tampa, I would say that Hedman is not an absolute lock for #2 (you can book Tavares to New York). Your scenario is probably the only way it would happen, and even then I have a tough time seeing that go down.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Apr 15, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Brian Burke
thedoctor’s Lightning Trading Lecavelier post above has me thinking about Brian Burke’s attention-whorish proclamation that he’s going to trade for the Tavares pick. My question is.. what would Toronto have to part with in order to pry the pick from the Isles hands. I imagine it would have to be a Lindross-esque bounty.
My Guess:
Toronto would have to part with
7th overall pick
3rd round pick
1st rounder in 2010
Kaberle
I can’t imagine the Isles giving up Tavares for much less than this.
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2009 11:54 AM MDT reply actions
Part 2
What do you think it would take for him to swap with the Avs…
I think it would take:
To Colorado:
7th pick
Kaberle
3rd rounder
Pogge
to Toronto:
3rd overall pick
Clark’s $3.5M clearing attempts
Tucker’s contract (can they take this under the cba?).
And if that’s the bounty Colorado is demanding (and they should demand that bounty) why would Burke even make that deal. That would be a coup for Colorado.
Basically for anyone to trade up more than a spot or two in this draft is going to be impossible. The prospects are too good to pass up for anything less than a King’s ransom. I doubt we see much activity by teams within the top-10 picks.
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2009 12:02 PM MDT up reply actions
And Pogge is not as good of a goaltending prospect as Leafs Nation makes him out to be.
by c0nquistad0rian on Apr 15, 2009 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Although, I could see Burke trying to package Pogge as part of a deal. He’s supposedly already made an offer to that Swedish goaltender that broke Lundqvist’s shutout streak in the SEL. Jonas Gustavsson, a.k.a. The Monster to back up Toskala.
I have also seen some mention of “binding wars” for his services. But, he would be subject to a one year entry level deal with the same maximum provisions that I outlined above. And with his salary limited, I’m not so sure how much “bidding” would take place. But, I just can’t see him signing as a back up in Toronto.
by c0nquistad0rian on Apr 15, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Teams can't trade contracts or cash under the current CBA
That’s why Toronto lost their 4th in the deal with TB this year. They were essentially buying contract.
I can’t see it making any sense for either side, but to further torture the topic, here’s what I could see – maybe….
To Colorado:
7th pick
Kaberle
3rd rounder
Pogge
Bozak
Rueggsegger
to Toronto:
3rd overall
Clark
Tucker
The deal doesn’t make a great deal of sense from either side, but…
Well
they would get Tucker too (i was joking that the paper the contract is pribnted on was of more value than Tucker himself)
by Jibblescribbits on Apr 15, 2009 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually...
The Leafs lost that 4th round draft pick for circumventing the current CBA and signing Swedish defenseman Jonas Frogren, who was still under contract with a Swedish Elite League club at the time. had nothing to do with their trade with Tampa.
by c0nquistad0rian on Apr 15, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, must've read the headline too quickly
But I did spend some slow time at work reading portions of the CBA.
Hey Darcy, forget the buyout – howsabout unconditional waiver?
Do not want Pogge
under most any circumstances. He’s a little bitch.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Apr 15, 2009 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions

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