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Final Grade: John-Michael Liles

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GP G  A  PTS  +/-  PIM  ESG  PPG  SHG  GTG  GWG  SOG 
1st Half 39 5 14 19 -3 16 2 3 0 0 0 71
2nd Half 36 7 13 20 -16 15 4 3 0 2 1 75
Total 75 12 27 39 -19 31 6 6 0 2 1 146

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2008 Grade

2007 Grade

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Midseason Grade: A-

Final Grade: B

Joined Team: March 29, 2003 (signed after being drafted in the 5th round in the 2000 draft)

MHH Nicknames (thanks Mike!): JML, The Male Model, McDreamy, BeachNSnowGirl's Boyfriend, Johnny Hot Pocket.

Linemates:

  • Hannan (29)
  • Clark (20)
  • Salei (9)
  • Foote (6)
  • Macias (6)
  • Leopold (2)
  • Nycholat (2)
  • Vernace (1)

Ice Time:*

  • TOT 21:32 (3rd)
  • EV 16:58 (3rd)
  • PK  0:31 (5th)
  • PP 4:02 (1st)

*Rank is based on total minutes, not average per game.

Best Month: December (10pts, +1 in 14 GP)

Career Highlights: Like a lot of Avs this year, Johnny Hot Pocket set a career low for +/-, with a -19 (his first sub-zero season in the NHL).

Barring injury (or trade), Liles should easily pass Adam Foote and Rob Blake to move into 2nd on the franchise scoring list for defensemen next year. He's currently 55 points behind Sandis Ozolinsh for the all-time lead.

Report: Spoiler Alert: Liles' B is going to be the highest grade for a d-man that I give out this year. Last year, three defensemen got higher grades (Foote, Salei and Finger, for the record) from me. That JML is leading the pack speaks less about his play and more to the decline in the play of his teammates this year.

I don't think it's any secret to MHH readers that I am a big fan of the way Liles' has improved his game. A couple of years ago he was nervous with the puck in his own end and was as liable to turn it over as he was to clear it up the ice. He wasn't a big contact guy and didn't block a ton of shots. He was a typical "offensive defensemen" - one who you used carefully because of defensive liabilties.

These days, Liles is as steady as any Avalanche defenseman in his own zone and has a fesity streak to boot. Three seasons ago, Liles had 31 hits and 68 blocks and was held to 12:28 of EV ice time. Last year, he played 14:50 at EV. This year? 16:58. Oh, and he had 58 hits and 106 blocks. That won't set a record for physicality, but does show how much he's improved defensively. Not bad for a pretty boy.

Offensively, he's the best the Avs have by a wide margin. Liles led the Avalanche defensemen with 39 points, 18 at EV and 21 on the PP. I've documented elsewhere that the team really needs to get the defensemen involved more offensively, especially at even strength. In a bonafide offensive system, Liles could be in the mid-50 point range and he's got the wheels to get back to cover his ass when the play goes in the other direction.

Fun Fact: Lubomir Visnovsky (310 points) is the only defensemen from the 2000 draft with more career points than Liles (198).

The John-Michael Liles Drinking Game: Drink every time you want to say "ooh, hot pocket!" when you hear a microwave ding. Drunk potential: Moderate.

What I Said Last Year:  "As much as I love Liles, the Avs already have $13 million committed to defense and that's before signing Adam Foote. Add Liles and Foote and you'd have over $20 million going to the blueliners and that seems like an awful lot of money."

2008 Salary (and Cap Number): $3.75M ($4.2M)

2009-2010 Status: Liles is signed for 3 more seasons at a rather friendly cap number ($4.2m per)

Outlook for 2009: Expect Liles to be patrolling the blueline as one of our top 4 as well as manning the point on our powerplay again next year. It would be nice to find a playmate for Liles for the powerplays to free him up to sneak into the slot a little more often, but that's probably asking too much. Honestly, if we could just find a coach who would take the offensive shackles off the defensemen a bit more often, Liles' offensive game could really take off (especially at even strength, where his numbers have been pedestrian).

One worry: Adam Foote and Scott Hannan have no-trade clauses and Brett Clark has a no-trade salary. If the Avs are going to shake up their roster and trade a defensemen this summer, the two most plausible candidates to move are Liles and Ruslan Salei. Liles has a limited no-trade clause (I believe there's a list of 10 teams or so he could be traded to), a cap friendly number and he's a marketable commodity. I hope it doesn't happen.

 

Next Up: Brett Clark (on Monday)

 

Poll
Which is the best Liles nickname?
JML
32 votes
B&SG's Boyfriend
6 votes
McDreamy
12 votes
The Male Model
15 votes
Johnny Hot Pocket
63 votes
Other
4 votes

132 votes | Poll has closed

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I am not always Liles’ biggest backer…but he had a relatively good season this year. He is still too turnover prone for my liking (but what Avs defensemen wasn’t?), but he did dramatically improve his defensive game.

The only big knock I have on Liles is his point shot. I know it’s not a world beater, but it’s decent, and I wish he would unleash it more. As it is, he is too hesitant with it, and he tends to wind up 2 or 3 times before he decided to unleash. It hardly ever makes it through to the net.

That’s all. Fair grade

by chiavsfan on May 1, 2009 6:57 AM MDT reply actions  

The Point shot is one of my biggest gripes as well. He needs to figure out what he is going to do before he gets the puck. This waiting 2 seconds crap doesn’t fly in the NHL.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on May 1, 2009 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm fine with this

and as one who uses initials for everyday use, I’m obviously biased towards “JML”.

And it’s a lot easier to type.

And Colorado sports scene already has a player nicknamed “Dreamy”.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by A.J. Haefele on May 1, 2009 7:09 AM MDT reply actions  

I agree with JML.

Even though he’s still goodlooking, there was absolutely nothing dreamy about the Avs’ performance this season

by Tommelot on May 3, 2009 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some of you people are obviously missing the point of the nicknames. It isn’t for us to have fun with ‘em. It’s for the players and media to get wind of them and start using them in interviews and TV spots. Frankly, Johnny Hot Pocket has some real potential for both of those possibilities.

I look forward to the day when an Avs’ goalie is being interviewed after a close game and saying something like “I was getting screened a ton in that final minute, but ol’ Johnny Hot Pocket over there (nods in JML’s direction) laying down in front of that shot bailed me out.”

That would be epic.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 1, 2009 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

“Sanjaya skates into the zone. He tries to split the defense…but the puck is taken away easily”

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 1, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

I noticed AD called Wolski “The Baron” a few posts ago. So we’re on the right track.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 1, 2009 9:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

that one is totally MHH’s credit

by Tommelot on May 3, 2009 3:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

While I’m sure it would lead to endless Jim Gaffigan quotes/takeoffs, Johnny Hot Pocket is a fantastic nickname and I wholly endorse its use.

One down, three to go

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 1, 2009 9:27 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

although I would argue that he has more than just one hot pocket.

Colorado Avalanche: Please excuse the mess while we are under construction.

by hockeymom on May 1, 2009 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hey now

lets keep this thing PG…..unless of course it leads to a fight between Hockeymom and Beachie…..in a mud pit.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 1, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jello?

that could work…

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 1, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

good grade

Liles really won me over this year — his improved defensive game was great to see. He can take on the 2nd pairing role without any issue. Pair him with a real point shot on the PP, and we’re set.

by thedoctor on May 1, 2009 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

In addidtion

to the improved defensive play, he busted out the devastating “Rob Blake” ass-check this season.

 I approve of the ass-check.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 1, 2009 11:44 AM MDT reply actions  

You do know that an ass-check is delivering a hip check with the posterior and not the technique you use to disguise your wandering eye from the Jibblewife, right?

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 1, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

And what would you know about that, hmmmm?

by Mrs @ MHH on May 1, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

that’s standard male training stuff

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 1, 2009 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I went with McDreamy, and I’m glad someone else agrees. It just makes me laugh every time I see it.

I'm Mr. Positive

by An Unmitigated Disaster on May 1, 2009 12:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I gave McDreamy a +1

GO CATS GO!!! Rob Madore shuts the door!

by tele-mon on May 3, 2009 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

New Nickname

In terms of his male model career:

Blue Steel

I don't believe in Peter Budaj.

by BraxtanFILM on May 1, 2009 2:35 PM MDT reply actions  

What? No Wings GDT? For shame, MHH. For shame.

An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.

by texacogirl on May 1, 2009 5:21 PM MDT reply actions  

The Ducks vs. Wings series makes me feel dirty. Very, very dirty.

by InYoFace on May 1, 2009 6:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes, I know but the Evil Empire must not succeed at all costs. ALL costs, man.

An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.

by texacogirl on May 1, 2009 6:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Next Up: Brett Clark (on Monday)

Do we have to? /groan

An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.

by texacogirl on May 1, 2009 6:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Beachie's boyfriend /sigh

oh how I wish. But I’ll take hockeymom and jello any day.

Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

by BeachNSnowGirl on May 1, 2009 9:57 PM MDT reply actions  

And here I thought you were the one vote for…… But for the record, two girls + Jello (or mud) = WIN. Just sayin’

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 2, 2009 2:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

ooops

Guess its four now. How many IP addresses do you have?

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 2, 2009 2:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too, In-jokes rule

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on May 2, 2009 5:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

just started reading the blog and Liles is my fav Av glad to see support for him. Went with JML sbeen using that since his Michigan State days

"There are no next times when you're competing for big things." - Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on May 2, 2009 11:47 AM MDT reply actions  

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