Your Move, Patrick?
by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 7:25 AM MDT
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The Avalanche Ass Backwards 2009 Offseason continues, as word is out that Patrick Roy has indeed been offered the coaching job.
There seems to be more of a comfort zone with Roy and the Avalanche right now, and it sounds like it's up to Patrick Roy. If he wants the gig, the Colorado Avalanche are simply waiting for the phone to ring. But trying to determine what that gig is, officially, is tough to do, because some are saying it's not only coach, but "coach plus" - involving something in the management group.
Former Avs star Patrick Roy has been offered Granato's job and is mulling over the offer, according to multiple NHL sources who are close to Roy. The Hall of Fame goalie could not be reached for comment Sunday night, and the Avs had no comment about the possibility of Roy replacing Granato. Granato has not yet been told he's out of a job.
It's probably good that the Avalanche don't bother with interviewing candidates from outside the organization. Who would want to come to an franchise that can't even get something simple like this done properly? Psst, Pierre, you we're supposed to hire the puppet GM first...
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I’m beginning to think that they must have asked Roy to come out of retirement and be a player-GM-coach hybrid.
One down, three to go
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 18, 2009 7:32 AM MDT reply actions
heh – sorry.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions
This whole thing is more messed up than reality TV “couple’s” marriages. The only thing more uncertain is when, or how will it all end
See
The problem before wasn’t not interviewing other candidates, it was not interviewing the wrong candidate.
There’s obviously no possible way anyone other than Roy could be a good coach.
by Jibblescribbits on May 18, 2009 8:31 AM MDT reply actions
not against the move. very much against the way they are going about it though.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 9:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah Ok
I was under the impression people were so vehemently against Roy as coach, not the Avalanche’s complete and total lack of tact and decency.
It wouldn’t be so bad if Granato would have been fired before the meeting… I think Roy would be a good hire. Maybe he can get this team to be a little more physical.
by Where is Bob Hartley? on May 18, 2009 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Was Super Joe consulted?
Wonder what Sakic thinks about this. He’s as humble and reserved as they come, Roy is a freaking maniac. I’m sure they are good friends and all, but they couldn’t be more different from eachother. They are the two most visible faces of the franchise and I can’t imagine the front office does much without letting Joe know about it (even asking for his guidance), but now Patrick will be his boss. Hmmmm, Joe the player/assistant coach and Patrick the coach/GM?
By the way, I am for this move, but slightly frightenetd of it.
as sad as this is
I’m ok with the move given the other realistic options on the table. this organization refuses to go out and behave like a normal organization with such things as “GMs before coaches” or “interviewing candidates outside the organization.” it’s bizarre, we all know it.
so given that, if Roy will come here, he’s the best option by far at coach that the front office will actually consider.
Roy
Does anyone else think he’s taking his time considering the offer only because he’s not sure he wants to put up with this shit?
Once this is exactly the kind of situation Roy would want. Expectations have been dashed, meaning his first season he will pretty much be coaching with impunity. The team was hindered by injuries and awful coaching last season, so as long as Roy knows what he’s doing the team will show improvement. They Avs are going to get a potential superstar.Then after that the salary cap clears a little, the young defensemen will start making their way to the Avs, and the Avs should be better. As they get better Roy could be viewed as a savior (and I’m sure he wants that).
Really the only possible hesitation I can think of is whether he wants to deal with Pierre’s apparent fall into madness.
by Jibblescribbits on May 18, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
It might also be money related (creating a bidding war), or a preference to coach Mtl (though I can’t imagine anyone really wanting that job),
I think you’re right though, this is about as ideal an opportunity you could want. Fanbase has 0 expectations, lots of young talent maturing, fanbase already loves you… this should happen.
Still
The Avs haven’t learned lessons of actually “interviewing” candidates for important positions.
by Jibblescribbits on May 18, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Congratulations are in order for Colorado Avalanche president Pierre Lacroix, who has found a way to make the emasculating process of losing one’s job even more publically embarrassing.
Puck Daddy has some enjoyable thoughts on this fiasco.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 11:00 AM MDT reply actions
Also from Puck Daddy
Usually, the general manager selects the coach. But usually, NHL teams don’t resemble a row boat with one oar and three dozen holes in the bottom like the Avalanche do.
This comment wouldn’t hurt so bad if we didn’t all know it was true.
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on May 18, 2009 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
*sobs*
oh I mourn for the team that I loved and will never see again!
"From the get-go, we targeted a certain type of player: tough, smart, competitive, versatile, a good person that loves football and wants to win." -Coach McDaniels
by Colorado_Kitten on May 18, 2009 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
o sweet baby jesus
Let the train wreck continue!
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 18, 2009 12:43 PM MDT reply actions
Now the denials start
http://blogs.denverpost.com/avs/2009/05/18/roy-denies/
No, but yes, no, but yes
One down, three to go
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 18, 2009 12:50 PM MDT reply actions
like I said: clusterfuck.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey now
Doesn’t that also describe the “system” implemented by Tony G. last season? HFS, this team is so hosed right now. Will I be happy to see TG gone? Hell yes. But once again, the “search” for a replacement appears to be yet another big CF. Who tf is running the show right now?
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions
also, Dater also is hearing rumors that it may be coach AND GM, something I floated back when this crap first started.
Roy making the leap to coaching doesn’t seem that crazy. Roy making the leap to coach / GM seems like insanity.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Music
Anyone else hear this in their head anytime they read about any of this?
by Jibblescribbits on May 18, 2009 1:35 PM MDT reply actions
Nope
but now I’m picturing pretty girls running around in their underwear in fast motion. I’m so lucky I was able to somehow watch that show as a kid.
MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.
by Bob in Boulder on May 18, 2009 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
The fact that we watched that show as kids probably is part of our problem….but I’m not complaining.
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on May 18, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I absolutely do. that should be our new theme song
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 1:40 PM MDT up reply actions
that was great, Steve
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 18, 2009 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
A few thoughts
1. Barry Melrose denied he was taking the Tampa Bay job all the way up until he was announced as head coach. Now I’m not saying Roy is Melrose but the denial could mean nothing. Later, he could say “I didn’t lie. They just didn’t send me the offer yet”.
2. I wonder if this isn’t actually as weird as we think it is. Maybe most decisions have already been made and they are waiting to announce the entire GM/coach structure at once rather than in pieces.
3. Though it should be still weird for Granato unless he is lying and already knows his fate.
Even if he's not lying
I don’t see how he can’t know his fate by now. I mean, really, can you see him wanting to be back even if they’d have him at this point?
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?
This whole thing is ridiculous.
What’s next?
by Streams Of Whiskey on May 18, 2009 6:46 PM MDT reply actions
Personally, I don't think it's ridiculous
I’m all for it. Roy may be conisdered an “in-house guy” but we all know he won’t “tow the line” so to speak. If the organization is indeed considering him, it may be an indication that they’re moving in an entirely new direction that won’t be such, you know, a clusterfuck.
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. - Yoda
by BeachNSnowGirl on May 18, 2009 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m with you on Roy being a good hire. I was very happy with the news. I’m not so sure about the custerfuck part. From a public perception, it is. However, the parties involved may be fully informed of the decisions. Who knows.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
*clarification*
by “cluster F” i meant the black hole of information and backwards decision making we’ve experienced the last couple of years, not necessarily the stuff surrounding this particular situation. but you’re right; the key players in this move may very well know all about what’s going down
Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. - Yoda
by BeachNSnowGirl on May 18, 2009 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely
The clusterfuck has been the lack of information and decision making we fns know jack about. I agree with you there, for sure.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Their handling of the situation is what's ridiculous,
not the move for Roy. I’d be very pleased if Roy were to become the next coach. I think he’d be a great fit.
The problem is first off, the way Granato is being kicked to the curb is extremely unproffesional and classless. If they didn’t want him as coach they should have came right out and fired him along with Giguere. It’s not like it didn’t come up when they were discussing that move. Even if they did it afterwards, just come out and do it. Now, there’s no going back; he’s basically been fired without being told so directly. I never wanted Granato back as head coach in the first place, so great, I’m glad he’ll be going, but what a shitty way to handle it.
Second, (and this is where the picture I posted comes in)why do any of us even know about this in the first place? This all should have been done expediently and behind closed doors. A little professionalism? Anyone…anyone…Bueller?
by Streams Of Whiskey on May 18, 2009 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
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what about his competency as a coach? That has been quite absent from the discussion…
I just want Drury back... I recognize the Drury->Morris->Statsny chain, and I stick with the statement.
Well
I don’t think anyone knows, Terri Frei addressed it today, but he seems pretty competent in QMJHL, but no one knows how that’s going to translate to the NHL. It’s kind of a crapshoot.
by Jibblescribbits on May 18, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he might do well.
He’s got the competative spirit and personality I’d like to see in a coach. For those of you who follow European soccer, he reminds me of when Sunderland hired Roy Keane to be their manager. Very similar personalities. He was very well respected by the players and a firery competitor. Keane did well while he was in charge, maybe Patrick as well? Who knows.
by Streams Of Whiskey on May 19, 2009 5:34 AM MDT up reply actions
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