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A little over a month ago, a day after the worst season in Avalanche history came to a merciful end, Pierre Lacroix took action. He fired Francois Giguere and handed the GM baton to...himself, ostensibly on a temporary basis. He let everyone know that he would be fixing things, tout de suite.

"The immediate future of this franchise is my primary concern, so it was important to act now and start the process of restoring this franchise to where it belongs," Lacroix said.

My question: where exactly do you think this franchise belongs, Pierre? So far, it's been a disaster. Disaster is too strong of a word, but Lacroix had a chance to clearly and definitively start this franchise back on track. He failed.

What Lacroix should have done was fire Giguere AND Tony Granato on that day, then begin an intensive search for a GM who would then hire a new coach. That would have sent the clear message to the team - and the dwindling fan base - that the once-mighty franchise was going to return to its winning ways. Instead, Lacroix inexplicably left Granato in place (coaches who can finish 13-games under .500 don't just grow on tree, you know). The GM search has been a closed-door farce; the most likely candidate at one point was reportedly his own, likely-unqualified son. While the Eric Lacroix rumors have thankfully subsided, not one candidate from outside the organization has been identified. Zip. Internal candidates Craig Billington and Michel Goulet would seem to be the front-runners for the job and both seem to be fine options. But, can a franchise that has missed the playoffs twice in the last three years and hasn't won a 2nd-round playoff game in 5 years afford to ignore some of the excellent candidates on the market right now? The correct answer is no. The Avalanche answer is "no comment" (translation: we're doing just fine on our own, you losers). Making another promotion from within doesn't sound like restoring a franchise; it sounds like maintaining the status quo.

Sadly, the GM "search" isn't even the biggest failure to date. That award goes to the Patrick Roy mess. Here's what we know: not long ago, Roy came to Denver and met with Lacroix. That ends the factual part of our story. He may or may not have been offered the coaching position or, perhaps, a coaching / GM position (which seems just ludicrous enough to be plausible). Roy, for his part, says he wasn't offered the job. The Avalanche say...haha, they don't say anything, silly. You'd think something as crazy as making an offer to a coach when, you know, you already have a coach is something the team would want to vehemently deny. Nope. No comment - the official Avalanche credo.

Personally, I like the idea of Patrick Roy behind the bench (not as a GM, though, that's way too frightful to even ponder). Roy is a fiery guy who wants to win, has shown he can win, and, of course, is a beloved figure in Denver. Hiring Roy could go a long way to restoring faith in this franchise and, frankly, it would sell some tickets - something this team needs to do badly. Unfortunately, the way they've gone about it is simply wrong. It's been speculated that Tony Granato will be reassigned (again) within the club if Roy takes the job. Swell. And he if doesn't (and the longer this drags, the more likely that becomes)? We have a lame duck coach. Terrific! If Roy doesn't take the job (or if the rumors were wrong), it screws up the team substantially. None of this would have happened if Lacroix had made the correct move and terminated (or reassigned) Granato on April 13th. Why he didn't, we'll surely never know. (No comment). A month into it, and Lacroix hasn't restored anything - he's sunk the team into a quagmire of a PR mess. If Roy ultimately is hired, the haze of all the rumors floating around recently will detract from the positive goodwill is could have generated if done correctly. If he isn't hired, things will be much, much worse.

One other thing Lacroix said when he fired Giguere: "Ownership and the dedicated Avalanche fans throughout the region deserve better results."

At least he got one thing right.

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The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 19, 2009 9:50 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 19, 2009 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

C L U S T E R F U C K…plain and simple

by chiavsfan on May 19, 2009 9:53 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey DD, there were quite a few typo’s in this last post. Maybe you want to fix it, before AD finds out…

by Tommelot on May 19, 2009 10:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

lay it on me – I’ve got my editing pen ready to go

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 19, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

“few” and “it” are also grammar errors…

by Where is Bob Hartley? on May 19, 2009 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

hell yeah, nice post

at what point will the organization realize they’re alienating fans with this crap?

by thedoctor on May 19, 2009 1:01 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Obviously they aren’t going to. Unless the Can completely empties out.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 19, 2009 11:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why are you all complaining so much?

If you don’t like the team become a fan of another. I’m sure the Red Wings would love to have you. I can understand that you’re not happy about the season but get over it. All great teams have to rebuild at some point. It was either going to happen this year or maybe we could have hung on for maybe a couple more with coach Q. I personally am happy that it’s happening now and I’m excited about what the future holds.

by mcarson01 on May 20, 2009 9:03 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

good grief you sound like one of those MHR guys.

We can disagree with a team’s direction and leadership while still being fans. In fact, I would say blindly following a team WITHOUT questioning moves is being a worse fan.

by thedoctor on May 20, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say blindly following a team WITHOUT questioning moves is being a worse fan.

Obviously, you just hate the Avalanche. And by Avalanche I mean America. Feel free to leave comrade. We won’t take you’re free spirit and rational level-headed questioning of authority here.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 20, 2009 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else read this?

I’m going to wildly speculate that this mcarson01 is really (BUM BUM BAH) Pierre Lacroix

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 20, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I’m Pierre Lacroix, I mean yeah, thats him alright?

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on May 21, 2009 4:24 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

welcome to MHH

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 20, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah but

the rebuilding started immediately after the lockout. So management doesn’t have the greatest track record in that regard.

I’d be interested in hearing why you think the current “Don’t fire a guy before you replace him” and “Don’t tell the fans ANYTHING” strategies are good for building goodwill for ANY fans.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 20, 2009 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

For diehard fans, your probably right. But for the other 90% of the fans out there, they don’t really care as long as the team starts to win again. For them, they won’t even remember this when the season starts.

by mcarson01 on May 20, 2009 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Your sarcasm detector seems to be broken. But here’s a hint, we make jokes here. A lot. In fact anytime someone reply-fails they call it a “Jibble” or “Jibblescribbits Special”.

Please adjust your sense of humor accordingly

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 20, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

We call a lot of things a Jibble…..he’s the master of some many things that are wrong. It amazing he’s able to run his own blog…

Wait a minute, we have sarcasm here?

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 20, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s making fun of me dude. chill.

you’re entitled to your opinion of the rebuild, and I think things are headed in the right direction prospect wise too. but I agree with DDC that the front office is making some questionable moves. Don’t tell us to go be red wings fans for that view and expect us to agree with you. :)

So let’s start over, mcarson01. I’d be interested in hearing why you equate “complaining” with being a bad fan.

by thedoctor on May 20, 2009 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t mean to imply that you are all bad fans but I was simply pointing out that you have options. There are a lot of great teams out there. The Avalanche happen to be my favorite but I’m also a major Penguins fan. I think if I was ever at the level of disgust that some of you seem to be at, I wouldn’t be paying much attention to the Avs.

I don’t know if I would agree that we were rebuilding since after the lockout. It seems to me that we were still trying to hang on to the glory days and possibly get back on track the last couple of years. Coach Q did a good job and we only lost the Stanley cup champs under him in the playoffs. As I recall they made everybody, including Penguins, look bad. I didn’t like that they fired him but, like most fans, I wanted more and I though change would bring that. If you look at the lineup we had this year, it was a pretty good team on paper. If it wasn’t for the injuries and the lack of a great coach, I think we could have made the playoffs. However, I’m a little glad that it played out the way it did because now we finally have a good draft pick and some decent prospects coming up.

As for the current press situation: I believe they keep things quite because they don’t want to inform other teams about the moves they could make. I thought it was ridiculous that Bryan Burke told the press he was going to trade for the number one pick. It was outright insulting to the Islanders management and now he almost has no chance of getting what he wanted. I would prefer that the Avs keep quite if it’s going to help the team in the long run. As a fan, I’ll be patient. For Granato, I have to believe he knows more about the situation than he’ll lead on. I believe he puts up with it because he knows that he’ll be retained in some form or another. Where else is he going to go? I don’t think we’ve hired a new GM because the playoffs aren’t over and there could still be some attractive prospects for the job coming available.

I’m not saying that we are going to win the cup next year or even make the playoffs. However, I’m excited to see what kind of product will be on the ice next year. I think in a couple of years we’ll be competing with the best of them under much of the same management (different coach and GM).

by mcarson01 on May 20, 2009 7:03 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

No to be insulting, but

from “urban dictionary”…

Bandwagon fan

Switches support to whatever team/game/allegiance/belief happens to be successful at the time

We still love the team, even if we are disappointed/disagree with the direction they are going in

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 20, 2009 8:12 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

support

I’ve supported the Avs from day one and I continue to support them. However, if they aren’t going in a direction that I’m happy with then I’ll no longer be a fan. Call it what you want, it doesn’t really matter to me. I’m not a fan to impress anyone. The whole idea of who is a better fan is just silly because the Avs are not keeping track.

by mcarson01 on May 20, 2009 10:40 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree, mostly. I am certainly not going to argue who is a better fan. AD’s got that covered on his blog. Where I differ is in your saying that “we should transfer our allegiance” is better/less annoying/whatever than remaining faithful and bitching about where the team has gone/ is going. I’m not trying to call you out on your fandom, only saying that we (and I’ll presume to speak for others here) aren’t switching our allegiance to a different team, just because we happen to suck right now. We will bitch, moan curse, etc when we lose (I do it), but we will also cheer, root, jump up and stick our fingers in the ceiling fan (Yep, I also did that) when we win. I guess it really depends on what your criteria are for being a fan. I welcome all types. I don’t however, understand the “I’ll continue to support them” statement with the if I don’t like them anymore I won’t be a fan statement, and that’s where the bandwagon thing came in. Like I said, no insult, and I personally (and the sidebar as well) welcome everyone (but trolls)

For me, I think it’s geographical- I’m a colorado mountain booger, and I’ll like our teams, whatever they are doing. I still kinda like the Devils because i skated in a mini mite intermission game and still think of them as the rockies. But they aren’t here anymore, so I don’t care as much. if the Avs went back to Quebec, or anywhere else, I don’t think I would follow them for all that much longer, even though I would still like them.

I’ve been rambling a little, but i think I can boil it down to one (or maybe more) thing(s)- if you don’t care about the team anymore, and don’t care about being a fan, and are now cheering for someone else, what are you doing here? We all know we have options. Anyone reading the majority of the comments here knows most of us are intelligent, informed, and passionate (if slightly opinionated) people. Why would you think our negativity is anything but a reflection of the team we love? If everyone left when the avs weren’t any good (and this applies to a lot of other hockey blogs as well) the community as a whole would wither up and die, thus defeating the whole purpose. If you do still care about the team, why AREN’T you pissed? Cuz the puppies and sunshine don’t show up til after next year.

You are right, though, that at a certain point everyone has to decide when they are going to stop drinking the koolaid and just say to hell with it. The people who love the team but would rather drink (insert favorite adult beverage here) than the company koolaid, well, we have to vent, or give up the team. I think what we have had here is just a lot of venting (and if anyone says anything about those goddamn coors commercials, I will find out your ip address, fly out, and smash your computer. Just sayin)

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 21, 2009 2:55 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand where you're coming from.

It’s actually good to hear all of these points. It’s obvious that you all still really like the team. I guess I’m was just venting about everybody else venting. Your question: “Why are you not pissed?” A few reasons: One, the bad season is over and we are getting an extremely good draft pick out of it. I don’t think there is any way that we could truly rebuild without it. Two, I’ve always liked Lacroix and I think he’ll continue to serve the team well. Sure, he’s made some bad mistakes but who hasn’t. He’s also brought us two cups and I hope he sticks around to bring more. It could be much worse (Glen Sather comes to mind). Three, I don’t the think team is nearly as bad as the media portrays. Sure, they tanked it at the end of the year, which is likely because there wasn’t much to play for. In the long run, we’ll be a better team because they did. Four: I get more excited to see young talent come up to skate than the team regulars. That’s probably one of the biggest reasons that I like hockey so much. Players get drafted and you can follow their progress for a couple years before they put on the Avs uniform. Sometimes their a dud but every once in a while they really shine. And I think we’ll get to see a couple good young players next year. I’m interested to see what Stoa, McNicole, Mercier, Yip, Galliardi and our new draft pick will do. Honestly, I hope they trade down one spot and pick Kane over Duchene unless they have a shot at Tavares. I want a player that can be a true offensive force. I know Duchene has the potential but from the numbers alone, it seems that Kane more of an offensive threat. However, I don’t have the visibility that the scouts have.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those fracking red wings don’t seem to need high draft picks to remain competitive, but oh well. You should check out Jori’s site if you don’t/haven’t already. She really has a good take on the prospect situation.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 21, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we are all hopeful that the great draft position we have this season will benefit the team. But one thing I see slipping is the “class” of the organization. It used to be you asked players where they would love to go, given a choice and Colorado was a top choice. Part of it was the winning, but another part was the “class” of the organization, the way they treated players and fans, the community around the team. It’s part of what brought guys like Kariya (for dirt cheep), Selanne, Bourque, Blake, Smyth to this team when they probably could have been paid as much or more elsewhere (why else would Kariya take a huge cut just to play with his old pal Selanne again).
Right now there are so many questions surrounding this organization and PL isn’t doing much to help himself of the organization. And PL has a track record of trading away young talent to bring in aged veterans. It worked pre-lockout, it likely won’t now. Some of us hope he has changed his way of thinking and doesn’t trade away the draft pick we’re looking forward too.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 21, 2009 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think anyone isn’t excited for some of the stuff with the Avs. I think the Avs have a top-notch defensive prospect in Shattenkirk coming up, and Gaunce seems to be developing into a better player than some thought. I think the Avs have a really strong defense coming through the system.

I think everyone is excited about Duchene, and if we happen to get Hedman or Tavares, well no one would complain there either. I think the Avs actually have a decent corps, and there could be some solid improvement there,

But management botched last offseason royally, and are in the process of completely botching this offseason as well.

I agree with you that it was ridiculous of Burke to go spouting off, but Burke is a ridiculous blowhard who likes seeing his name in the paper. I don’t think anyone has a giant problem with Lacroix playing things close to the vest, however… not interviewing any coaching candidates last year, and then firing a GM, not interviewing anyone outside the org, not firing the coach, but bringing in a coach and reportedly offering him the job is just as unprofessional as Burke being a blowhard in the press. That’s not keeping it close to the vest, that’s trying to have your cake and eat it too.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 20, 2009 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m thinking that they want to wait to hire a new GM for a couple reasons. One, they already have done their homework on the draft and they don’t want to bring somebody in for a month to make a decision that could impact the team for many years. Two, there’s a chance that they want to hire, or at least interview key personnel that is currently still involved in the playoffs. There backup plan is likely Billington who would probably be a great choice anyway. With Granato, because he’s under contract, there is no reason to fire him until they find somebody they like better. I can see your point that it’s unprofessional to do that to him. However, these guys that are making millions a year live by different rules, and Granato will still get paid for his contract duration.

by mcarson01 on May 20, 2009 11:32 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Treating your employees like shit WILL come back to bite you. I think that is why everyone has a problem with the granato situation. It’s why I do. Sure he will get paid, and has been paid a lot, and no one feels sorry for the money he’s making, but we are all human, and if you were in his shoes you would feel like ass too. But what’s more important is, everyone else who has the opportunity to be in his shoes will look at that situation and say, “do I really want to be there?”. the quality people will say no and go elsewhere. Same with the GM situation. No one wants to go into a situation knowing they will not be the one with the final say so, only the final blame. This is where it hurts the Avs.

One, they already have done their homework on the draft and they don’t want to bring somebody in for a month to make a decision that could impact the team for many years. Two, there’s a chance that they want to hire, or at least interview key personnel that is currently still involved in the playoffs.

I don’t see this as anything but complementary. All they have to do is ask a question in the interview, “who would you draft”. If they don’t agree, well, “next, please”.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 21, 2009 3:04 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, Granato can’t be feeling great about the situation right now. He must know that, after a season like we had, that the chances of him keeping job are almost none. Also, there aren’t going to be any clubs calling for his services. That’s unfortunate for him because I don’t really think it’s all his fault with the injuries. I’m guessing that he’ll be retained in some form or another. I understand that he’s really good with the youngsters. I don’t think that the current situation will stop anybody else from wanting to be a coach though. If so, they probably shouldn’t be one anyway because of all the crap that they take. I would think you would have to be some kind of masochist to want that job. However, if you don’t take the chance you’ll never know if you would have been good enough. Also, Granato had to of been aware of how Crawford was treated after a sub-par year and it didn’t stop him from taking the job. I understand what you mean though and in a less competitive, normal, everyday job, treating employees like that is not good. However, I just think that potential coaches know what they are getting into when they sign up. Get the job done or be on the shit list and potentially out the door. It’s the fan’s desire to win that truly drives that mentality.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 8:38 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hired to be fired…. But I think it goes to others as well, such as free agents. Selling them on your team as being the place to play means people have to WANT to come here. As far as coaches go, yeah they have to be masochists. Look at montreal and Toronto. No one in their right mind would want that job.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 21, 2009 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

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