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More Egg For Lacroix's Face

Adrian Dater has the latest Avalanche Summer Fiasco details in the Post this morning. According to a Toronto radio interview, Pierre Lacroix first contacted Patrick Roy during the season to gauge his interest.

Avalanche president Pierre Lacroix first reached out to Patrick Roy in the middle of last season to gauge his interest in a future with the team, Roy said Wednesday in an interview with a Toronto radio station.

"I received a phone call from Pierre Lacroix during the season, I think it was January, and he asked if I had some interest in talking with him at the end of the season," the former Avalanche goaltender and Hall of Famer said. "I said, 'Yeah, I'd be open to talk.' "

Not only is Lacroix screwing over his existing coach, but apparently he was undermining his existing GM along the way.

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Is it bad that I have already stopped being surprised?

by chiavsfan on May 21, 2009 7:58 AM MDT reply actions  

am I being naive about all this?

look, I know that teams talk to free agents before July 1st, and I’m sure execs have backroom talks with potential coaches during the year too. maybe I’m just grinding a personal axe against PL, but this all just seems…wrong.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think this bothers me. If I was in PLs shoes and I wasn’t happy with the team, I would be looking around and talking to people candidly. It’s unfortunate that Roy is not keeping it candid though. I don’t think PL was trying to embaress FG or make him look bad. PL job is to look after the best interest of the club. If the club is not doing well, the GM, coaches and players should assume that he’s looking for a way to fix it. It’s a brutal business on all levels.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

In my opinion

I don’t have a problem with this because…

PL may have already known what he was going to do at the end of the season (as in fire FG). As long as all he was doing was trying to judge Roy’s level of interest to help him decide on his season end moves. As long as he wasn’t talking to people who were currently under contract with other NHL clubs I don’t think it’s a problem.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 21, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

Are you factoring the personal relationship between PL and Roy into your evaluation? If Roy’s best-buddy in the whole world wants to call him up on X-mas eve and kick the tires about a potential job down the road, is that so weird?

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 21, 2009 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

This makes it sound like PL was on board with the Ti4T effort as well.

One down, three to go

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 21, 2009 8:12 AM MDT reply actions  

I guess it’s time to admit that PL contacts me on a regular basis for advice.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on May 21, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

That’s probably why he hasn’t finished his list of GM candidates yet.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Zing!

I’d finish the Top 19 list but I’d hate to rob you guys of the only comedic material you have.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on May 21, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jibbles’ reply-fail-apalooza will provide all of the comic relief we’ll ever need around here.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 21, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

so we’re having a terrible season with bad coaching one of the primary culprits…and we’re mad at PL for looking into other options? What exactly has TG done to make himself untouchable?

I’m pretty happy to see this myself — it means PL sees the same coaching issues we do, and isn’t so in love with his family friend TG that he ignores them.

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 8:48 AM MDT reply actions  

and he didn’t fire him when the season ended because….???

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

that’s the weird part for sure. I’m guessing it has to do with contractual issues, and that TG will move to another spot in the organization so they don’t have to buy him out.

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

That’s my thought exactly. Nobody deserves to be treated that way, no matter how badly you’ve performed. You deserve to be told “Hey we’re going in another direction” or something.

by Mrs @ MHH on May 21, 2009 9:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

how do we know he hasn’t? all we have is Dater speculating based on a phone conversation that TG doesn’t know what’s going on. I know it would be a first, but what if Dater is wrong? :) What if he misinterpreted TG avoiding the issue with this puzzlement thing?

I just don’t know that I buy the TG as a victim thing. It certianly could be true, but it seems like we’re jumping to conclusions.

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 9:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

You’re right. I just feel sorry for the guy.

by Mrs @ MHH on May 21, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't

I feel sorry for myself and every other Av fan who had to endure a full year of his clueless ass behind the bench.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on May 21, 2009 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m upset with it because it wasn’t Pierre Lacroix’s job at the time. It was Francois Giguere’s. I wish the avs would have hired someone else during the season, and I wish they would hire another coach now, but it’s not enough to try and do it, they need to do it the right way. If PL wants to be GM he needs to make himself GM, not do GM stuff then fire FG when it doesn’t work out.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

thanks, thought maybe I was alone here.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

now that’s absolutely true. the roles in the this organization are totally messed up.

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe that’s because he feels he was forced out as GM in the first place?

by Mrs @ MHH on May 21, 2009 9:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

No

he stepped back on his own accord, because of health issues. But it’s a job he clearly still wants to do.

The problem is that it’s not his job. If he wants to and is able to, then he should take the job. If he is unable he can’t dabble he’s got to relinquish command.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have to wonder, as the President, what is the role? Should he be passive or speak his mind and take control in some situations? I would think that it could be an active role in a lot of organizations. I know in my job, I have a lot of control but there are times that my boss will steer the ship a little. I’ve also had bosses that will completely give me 100% responsibility. I’m not so sure either way is correct.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

He can’t do 2 jobs at once. President is it’s own job. Part of that job involves evaluating the General Manager, and coach, and team. And He has every right to do that, but his job is not to go out and hire the coaches, draft and sign players etc. that’s the General Manager’s job and if the President dabbles it’s micromanaging.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

True, his job is not any of those things while there is an acting GM. However, I know if I was fired or quit my job, my boss would take over until a replacement could be found. Also, it’s not like he doesn’t have the qualifications to step in for the short term.

Another thing to keep in mind is that we don’t know for sure that Roy and Lacroix were talking about a coaching position. We only know that Roy seems to only be interested in that position, which he didn’t relay to the media until after his meeting in Denver. How could PL understand this unless he were to arrange a sitdown with him? Maybe that’s why Roy was never offered the job, because we currently have a coach.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t have a problem with him talking to Roy now that he’s interim GM, I have a problem with him doing it while he’s still got a coach in Tony Granato. And I have a problem with him talking to Roy about being the coach, while FG was still GM of the team.

How in the world is Tony G. supposed to coach this team or be seen as an authority if his boss is undermining him like this?

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe they’re trying to get Sakic to quit to clear salary.

One down, three to go

by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on May 21, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

sad and funny at the same time

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don’t think at this point in the year he needs to be an authority. He just needs to sit at home or play golf until it’s ironed out.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

And for god’s sake Tony, don’t read the Denver Post.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

And I have a problem with him talking to Roy about being the coach, while FG was still GM of the team.

If he was talking to Roy about coaching, then yes I have a problem here. If he was/is considering Roy as the GM, to replace FG, I have no problem with it. Just depends on what he wanted to talk to Roy about.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 21, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I do think it’s possible that Roy has been offered a job other than coaching, in which case I’ll just delete all these entries and pretend nothing happened

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

OK Dater…. I lol’d.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 21, 2009 1:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

would you believe, that was not a Dater joke?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

No.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 21, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

I’m not buying it either.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 21, 2009 2:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also, micromanaging seems to be a bad thing for those underneath but as a micromanger, it usually means that you don’t trust your subordinates. In that situation, I don’t see a problem with it looking out for your best interests.

by mcarson01 on May 21, 2009 10:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well

If you don’t trust your subordinates you should fire them. Doing their job behind their back is an awful way to manage.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 10:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is definitely messed up. But man, is Patrick Roy mentally deficient or does he just hate the Avalanche? Why go on the radio in TORONTO of all places and drop this bombshell?

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by PPP on May 21, 2009 9:39 AM MDT reply actions  

ahahaha, yeah, pretty odd.

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

yeah, he’s definitely fucking with us

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions  

He probably figured all you Toronto folks were too tied up in Brian Burke’s never ending quest to bring Tavares to Toronto even though the Islanders aren’t trading that pick for anything less than Schenn, the 7th round pick, the CN tower, The Blue Jays, 500 Mounties, Nathan Phillips square, and the rights to rename the “Looney” “The Al Arbors”

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 9:54 AM MDT reply actions  

Damnit

reply fail

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

I have no idea what that’s supposed to be, but I can’t stop watching it

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

just imagine the dramatic music in the background: dun Dun DUNNNNNNN

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

still watching

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 21, 2009 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

You’re just now seeing that? Dude, this was a big deal like eight months ago.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on May 21, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Can’t see it at work (must be blocked) i’ll have to wait until home.

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Only question is...

Is this a picture of Stan, Pierre, or the organ-I-zation as a whole?

by Hopfenkopf on May 21, 2009 11:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

YES!

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 21, 2009 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Does anyone remember when this franchise was a well-oiled machine? When they were as tightly run and as successful on the ice as any other team in the NHL (say, like the Red Wings are today)?

Yeah, I don’t either. Somebody told me the Avalanche won the Cup less than a decade ago and was still one of the best teams in the league less than five years ago but I didn’t believe them.

Go Avs! Let's get some goals!

by Joe Dunman on May 21, 2009 1:22 PM MDT reply actions  

You need to stop talking to your mom about hockey. She’s WAY too optimistic.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 21, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will not

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 1:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Damn you

quit posting pictures, or whatever it is, that my work filter blocks!

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

same pic. :)

a meme to match yours!

by thedoctor on May 21, 2009 2:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

What is it?

I’ve seen it posted as “dramatic squirrel, chipmunk, groundhog, prairie dog ….” My guess is a prairie dog? Definitely works well with the sound effect. And with jib post fails.

MHH: Shagging Dater one contributor at a time.

by Bob in Boulder on May 21, 2009 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

Is this a new Jibble-fail theme vid? Love it!

by Mrs @ MHH on May 21, 2009 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just to clarify, what WERE you attempting to reply to with this comment?

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 21, 2009 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Jibbles’ reply-fail-apalooza will provide all of the comic relief we’ll ever need around here.

(and yes, it was on purpose)

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on May 21, 2009 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Suuuuuuuuuure it was.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on May 21, 2009 6:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just adding to the clusterfuck

Roy isn’t sure time is right with Avs (looks like that article that Dater got his info from?)

In an interview with Toronto radio station CMFJ 640 AM, Roy reiterated he has not received a “solid offer” from the Avs, but that he and team president Pierre Lacroix talked back in January and will continue discussions.

“It’s been just talk so far and see what I wanted to do and it’s been nothing more than that,” Roy said in the radio interview. He said there was no timetable for future talks.
“Right now, I have to think about it myself,” Roy said. "I don’t want to play games with anybody, to our fans, to Pierre Lacroix, or any other NHL team that might have interest in me. Maybe it’s something that I want to do, but is it the right timing? This is something I have to think about.

“A big part of my decision is not made about whether I’m able to coach in the NHL or if I’m ready to step up and take that challenge. Basically, it’s about my family, it’s about my children, and this is where my decision is going to have to be made.”

Or is it that he isn’t sure he wants to be part of the fiasco that is currently ongoing in Denver behind the Pepsi Center Iron Curtain?

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 21, 2009 7:42 PM MDT reply actions  

Things are getting interesting……if they weren’t already.

by InYoFace on May 21, 2009 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Am I the only one interested by this quote?

I don’t want to play games with anybody, to our fans, to Pierre Lacroix, or any other NHL team that might have interest in me.

Is he saying our fans as in Colorado fans and he still considers himself part of the Colorado franchise or seperat fans of him and the Avs?

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

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by Savage33 on May 22, 2009 4:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, he’s probably talking about the Fans of Roy. They’re like a cult or something.

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by Mike @ MHH on May 22, 2009 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

i saw that too, and interpreted it as fans of the Avs. nice to hear he considers us a “we.”

by thedoctor on May 22, 2009 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

I saw it and wasn’t sure what to think of it…was the interview in French or English? Could it just be a translation error?

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 22, 2009 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

Could have been the Remparts, too.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on May 22, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Deja Vu for Granato?

Transcript of Granato’s introduction as Head Coach:

Tony, how are you going to approach this differently, now? Secondly, what is your philosophy? Finally, people might say they fired you the first time, why won’t they fire him a second time?

Granato: "A change in position was the right thing. If you remember back a few years ago, our assistant coach Rick Tocchet left for another organization. We had an opportunity where we needed somebody behind the bench. I sat down with Pierre Lacroix and we thought the best thing for the organization at that time was to find the best coach available, regardless of the position. It was my decision to go along with Pierre that we need to bring in Joel Quenneville. The words ‘fired’ are pretty strong. A change in positions. Being behind the bench for six years, I know this team very well. I know what it takes to motivate the players here. I love the way this team is being built and I’m excited for this opportunity. As far as philosophies go, I’m going to be myself, the same guy I always was. I’m going to allow the players to be the best players that they can be. I’m going to provide the environment that allows them to do this. As far as system goes and all that, we’ll present a system that allows these guys to show their talents and hopefully have career years.

For complete transcpit, click here.

Of course you can hardly blame Granato. How well would you do if Tyler Arnason was the center on your first line? Dear mama.

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by WpgMikos on May 22, 2009 12:32 AM MDT reply actions  

This whole thread

is making me laugh. I can’t believe I keep missing all this stuff.

If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!

by SlamDunkTheFunk on May 22, 2009 4:48 AM MDT reply actions  

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_12424597?source=rss

Mike Whillock, a vice president with executive-search firm HRQ in Denver, said the Avs should have told Granato he was getting fired right after the Roy-Lacroix meeting was reported two weeks ago. Granato insists he’s still in the dark.

Leaving high-ranking employees in the lurch burns bridges but also reflects poorly on an organization, recruiters say.

“If you’re the person who’s getting ready to accept the new job, you need to think about that,” said Michael Garnes, president of Next Level Executive Search, a Florida firm that handles searches for sports teams and organizations.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 22, 2009 7:01 AM MDT reply actions  

So how long before the rats start jumping off the ship?

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on May 22, 2009 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

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