Another Day, Another Roy Rumor
by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 24, 2009 6:21 PM MDT
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The Roy Saga Blooming Onion may have had a couple more layers peeled back today. Rue Frontenac is reporting that Roy has been offered the position of coach and GM of the Avalanche (a painful-to-read google translation is here). I believe the gist is that Lacroix offered Roy both titles because Canadiens GM Bob Gainey could not. Roy would have the help of Craig Billington in his GM role and would like to have Sylvain Lefevbre and Drummondville coach Guy Boucher behind the bench with him.
The GM rumors have been floating around out there from day one and certainly seem to be gaining steam lately (Dater mentioned it on his blog a week ago). Really, it would, in hindsight, make Lacroix's bizarre hiring process seem a tad more logical (I floated around this very scenario back when we first started hearing about this). It still doesn't forgive the public humiliation he's bestowed on Tony Granato, but I've already gotten that rant out of my system.
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Has there ever been a coach/GM combo in the NHL before? How successful was that? Is this just an insane idea, especially considering Roy’s lack of experience at the NHL level on both fronts, or is it brilliance? (That’s not a rhetorical question, folks. I really want to know your opinions as I’m clueless here.)
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by BeachNSnowGirl on May 24, 2009 6:54 PM MDT reply actions
sure – Jacques Martin in Florida, Mike Keenan in St Louis, Scotty Bowman with the Sabres back in the early 80s. I’m sure there’s other good examples. It’s not unheard of.
I guess a better question would be has anyone ever done it with no NHL experience as either a coach or GM before.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 24, 2009 7:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Phil Esposito, according to the fine folks at Blueshirt Banter:
Phil Esposito retired with the Rangers in 1981 and went straight to the broadcast booth, where he remained until 1986, when he was hired as GM. He hired Tom Webster as head coach for the 86-87 season, but Webster had to resign only a month or two into the season, and Espo coached the team the rest of the year. So he gained the GM job with no experience, then gave himself the head coaching job with no experience.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 24, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Pat Quinn also had both roles for several years in Toronto. Darryl Sutter was promoted from coach of the Flames to coach/GM of the Flames. Then relinquished the coaching role a year or two later and has gone through a couple of coaches since.
by c0nquistad0rian on May 25, 2009 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions
as I said over at HF
If this is true, I highly doubt it would really be Roy doing the GM job, more of him just having final say in personnel matters and setting direction for player personnel.
It’s a little scary, but it’s hard to imagine change for the worse at this point…
The key to change is letting go of fear...
by Where is Bob Hartley? on May 24, 2009 10:08 PM MDT reply actions
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.
"Growth means change and change involves risk, stepping from the known to the unknown."
by Where is Bob Hartley? on May 24, 2009 10:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Dater is on it...
http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/ci_12443561
but you beat him to it DDC, sweet!
only because I don’t have to do any of that annoying “fact-checking” stuff!
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on May 25, 2009 6:42 AM MDT up reply actions
Cloutier..
…would be gone. All the more reason to hope that it happens.
"Horton is win."
--Horvil Tiki
About Jonas Gustavsson..
..Foppa speaks in Swedens second biggest daily newspaper, and says that Colorado would be a very good choice for Jonas because of the less pressure than he would have in Toronto, Philly etc. He also speaks very good of Denver as a City to live in.
http://www.hockeyexpressen.se/nhl/1.1579540/foppa-colorado-ett-bra-val-for-jonas
Oh, an did I mention..
..that Patrick Roy was Gustavssons idol as a kid. He is visiting Colorado first of the 4 teams still on his “shortlist”.
Interesting and more interesting.
I know this has been mentioned before, but I would love to see Lefevbre get a shot behind the bench as an assistant. He “seemed” to have a pretty good “system” in LE and the guys that came up (Peltier and Vernace) held their own pretty well.
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I hate the idea of GM/coach in any sport. It’s 2 jobs. Maybe Roy would be successful in either one, maybe he’s that good at both jobs, but no one’s good at both jobs at the same time.
In other words, If I can type 100 words a minute, and I can do the job of CEO, it’s worth it to me to hire someone who can type only 75words a minute if it allows me to focus my efforts as a CEO.
by Jibblescribbits on May 25, 2009 10:05 PM MDT reply actions
Oh c'mon...
it’s the NHL. Is there really any need for a GM?
by Where is Bob Hartley? on May 25, 2009 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
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