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Bear with me, this got long, but I have lots of what I think is quite interesting info below:

 

I just finished my first year of graduate school getting a MA and PhD in Psychology. This quarter I took a class on multiple regression statistics. We had to do a project at the end of the quarter using MR which was due earlier today. Since the research I do doesn't lend itself to MR analysis (we primarily use ANOVA if anyone cares), I had to figure out something else to analyze. What I decided to do was to use MR to analyze NHL player statistics and salaries to determine how players performed in relation to the amount of money they were paid this past season.

Star-divide

Without going too in to the nitty-gritty details about what I did (frankly it's boring and not what's really interesting), basically what I did was take what I called "performance statistics" (Games Played, Goals, Assists, +/-, Penalty Minutes, Shots, and Time On Ice) and regressed them on player cap hits. All stats and salaries were taken from this 2008-2009 regular season. I also excluded all players who played less than 20 games during the regular season (sorry Sakic). I did this separately for defensemen and forwards, because I suspected that different stats would better predict higher salaries between the positions. Through my analysis I found that this was true. For forwards, I found all of the stats to be significant predictors of salary. All but +/- were positively correlated with higher salaries. This means that higher values (e.g. more goals) on these stats predicted that a player would be paid more. I'm not sure why +/- was negative, but whatever. For defensemen, only Assists and TOI were significant predictors.

 

What this then let me do was use each player's stats to calculate a predicted salary based upon their season performance. I then took each player's predicted salary and divided it by their actual salary. This gave me a percent difference score (so a player who made 2 million and had a predicted salary of 4 million would have a %diff score of 2.0). The higher a %diff score a player had, the better they performed above their salary.

 

So, the results:

 

The highest rated players:

1. Kyle Quincey - D - LAK - Cap Hit = $0.525 million, Predicted = $3.715 million, %diff = 7.08

     72 GP, 4 G, 34 A, -5, 63 PIM, 150 S, 20:58 TOI

2. Alexander Edler - D - VAN - Cap Hit = $0.550 million, Predicted = $3.523 million, %diff = 6.41

     80 GP, 10 G, 27 A, +11, 54 PIM, 145 S, 21:07 TOI

3. Alexandre Burrows - LW - VAN - Cap Hit = $0.483, Predicted = $2.522 million, %diff = 5.22

     82 GP, 28 G, 23 A, +23, 150 PIM, 175 S, 16:50 TOI

 

 

The lowest rated players:

667. Mike Weaver - D - STL - Cap Hit = $0.700 million, Predicted = $-1.624 million, %diff = -2.32

     58 GP, 0 G, 7 A, -3, 12 PIM, 36 S, 17:15 TOI

666. Darcy Hordichuk - LW - VAN - Cap Hit = $0.775 million, Predicted = $-0.594 million, %diff = -1.37

     73 GP, 4 G, 1 A, +1, 109 PIM, 26 S, 5:31 TOI

665. Raitis Ivanis - LW - LAK - Cap hit = $0.600 million, Predicted = $-0.429 million, %diff = -1.03

     76 GP, 2 G, 0 A, -8, 145 PIM, 25 S, 6:22 TOI

 

And the highest/lowest Avs players:

26. Paul Stastny - C - COL - Cap Hit = $0.850 million, Predicted = $3.078 million, %diff = 3.62

     45 GP, 11 G, 25 A, -9, 22 PIM, 118 S, 21:14 TOI

567. Adam Foote - D - COL - Cap Hit = $3.000 million, Predicted = $1.814 million, %diff = 0.61

     42 GP, 1 G, 6 A, -12, 30 PIM, 19 S, 19:40 TOI

 

Some other players' % difference scores and ranks that I think people would be curious about:

392. Marek Svatos - %diff = 0.94

400. Ian Laperriere - %diff = 0.94

557. Darcy Tucker - %diff = 0.62

478. Jeff Finger - %diff = 0.77

 

517. Sidney Crosby - %diff = 0.70

459. Alex Ovechkin - %diff = 0.82

181. Evgeni Malkin - %diff = 1.68

31. Johan Franzen - %diff = 3.50

 

 

Some Notes:

The average rank for Avalanche players was 320.7. Only the Atlanta Thrashers did not have a player ranked lower than the Avs' lowest (#567 Adam Foote).

The model is by no means perfect. It is certainly flawed and highly influenced by young players' entry level contracts. For example, Stastny's new contract is going to pay him $6.0 million/year. So, these results only apply to how effective a player was compared to their contract during the 2008-2009 season. Of the 37 players I found with new contracts starting next season, their average rank was 199. Their average salary this season was $1.542 million. This almost doubles to $2.997 million next season. Many of these were good young players in the end of their low paying entry-level contracts. These were the players that clubs want to lock-up ASAP and get signed. Some of these pplayers: Anze Kopitar, Paul Stastny, David Krejčí, Alexandre Burrows, Alexander Edler. So, part of the reason they score so well on this metric is not just their performance, but the restrictions on entry level contracts in the collective bargaining agreement.

Negative predicted salaries are clearly not realistic, so that's a problem.

The model doesn't take in to account all statistics or other characteristics of players that lead to higher salaries. Captaincy, what line a player is on, awards, and other things are not quantified in this model. The league's 10 highest paid players had an average rank of 557.5. This does not mean that these star players are way overpaid, rather it means that the model is once again not perfect. Players simply cannot rack up enough goals, assists, etc to get their predicted salary to a level that high. Additionally, being a highly paid player means you are playing against the best players on the other teams game in and game out, something that is going to limit performance. The highest predicted salary was, appropriately, Ovechkin's ($7.825 million). Overall the correlation between predicted salaries and actual salaries was strong, R = .738. I take the fact that +/- was negatively related to higher salary as a sign that it may truly be a useless statistic. I want to look in to this more.

I don't have any class or TAing over the summer, just research and trying to get published, so I think I will try to update my model in the coming weeks/months to try and improve it, especially to somehow take in to account things such as captaincy and what line a player primarily plays on.

Hopefully people find this interesting.I also have team data I am working on. If anyone is interested to find out about specific players or wants to know more of the statistical details (regression equation coefficients, effect sizes, p-values, etc), just let me know.

 

-Mike W.

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I did find this interesting. This suggests to me that some GM’s are actually either a) not over paying, or b) have a better idea of market value than I thought, or both. Seems like sometimes they are all too glad to throw money away on crappy players for whatever reason (and that will still happen).

It also is going to be Jibbles new best friend when he rants against +/- next (and others too). I’ve always thought +/- is useful, just not a great indicator when taken out of context, which it usually is. The context is always subjective of course; I am definitely interested to see what else you come up with on that stat, there are others that don’t agree with me on the usefulness, and they make some good arguments too so I’d like to have more info- is it a gimmick or a valid stat?

Get rid of the loser point

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by TheRed on Jun 11, 2009 3:45 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

t also is going to be Jibbles new best friend when he rants against +/- next (and others too). I’ve always thought +/- is useful, just not a great indicator when taken out of context, which it usually is.

I’m actually going with the new strategy of pretending that this “statistic” doesn’t exist

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 11, 2009 8:57 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like the reply button?

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on Jun 11, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PWNAGE!!!

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 11, 2009 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Negative predicted salaries could mean something in that they should not be at the level they are playing at.

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by Zachary Zielonka on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. It’s simply a very hard stat to understand. Some +/- values for some Avs players:
Hejduk: -19
Liles: -19
Hannan: -21
Smyth: -15

I don’t think you can argue that any of them are playing at a level at which they don’t belong. Instead, I think it shows that the team as a whole struggled. Poor goaltending could wreak havoc with the +/- stats for skaters.

What I do find telling, however, is the only 3 players on the Avs with non-negative +/-:
Tjarnqvist: +1

but the more interesting ones:
Laperriere: 0
Guite: +2

Our BEST player had a +/- of +2. The highest in the league was +37! Once again, it shows that our team as a whole struggled. But another thing, it shows that that checking line played VERY well for us. What I think would be a much more telling statistic would be +/- compared to the rest of your team. In this case, the Avs’ average +/- was -10.

I always liked a line of Lappy + Guite + whoever else. This makes me like them even more. Resign Lappy!

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA...

BTW, that’s supposed to be RE-SIGN Lappy, not asking him to pull a Nixon here…

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our BEST player had a +/- of +2. The highest in the league was +37! Once again, it shows that our team as a whole struggled. But another thing, it shows that that checking line played VERY well for us. What I think would be a much more telling statistic would be +/- compared to the rest of your team. In this case, the Avs’ average +/- was -10.

I like this

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by TheRed on Jun 11, 2009 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even necessariyl agree with this. Sometimes the checking line plays against the best line, as defensive specialists, but sometimes it plays against the worst lines. The Avs usually puttried to put the Hejduk/Stastny line against the opposing teams best lines all season, which is why Hejduk was an overall -.

So again, I think ± is flawed, and doesn’t really tell much here…

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 12, 2009 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Partial agreement

I agree that it’s flawed.

However, comparing +/- numbers within a team is going to be a more accurate measure than comparing between teams. It’s a simply statistical principle… within-subjects (in this between players on one team) analysis have a lot less variance than between-subjects (between teams) analysis.

Lines are used in different ways, which can definitely affect the players +/- numbers. A more in-depth analysis would need to look at the number of goals scored for and against a line, and what lines on the other team were scoring them. Frankly this is more work than I think is needed for a fairly worthless statistic. However, I still believe the fact that our checking line had the only players without a negative +/- is a telling sign. By your reasoning, Jibbles, why wouldn’t our 4th line have better +/- if we can assume they’re generally going to only play against the worst players on the other team. I think it boils down to the fact that our team defense and goaltending were substantially below average this season, which leads all players to have a worse +/-.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 12, 2009 1:04 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice!

Which variable had the greatest correlative power?

Interesting paths for future analysis:

-Control for entry level contract caps (eg, after a player clears ELC restrictions, who performs best / what variables have the greatest power?)

-Goalie model (variable selection would be interesting here)

-Draft position vs. performance

Those are just a few off the top of my head. Thanks from a fellow stats geek!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Let's See...

Asking about what variable had the greatest correlative power:

For forwards, it was assists (Std. Beta = .389), meaning a 1 standard deviation increase in assists predicted a .389 sd increase in salary. Goals (.225), shots (.250), and time on ice (.259) were all medium-strength effects. In contrast, +/- was a small effect (-.13).

For defensemen, there was a very strong effect size for TOI (.860). What this tells us is that TOI is the strongest predictor of salary. Basically, the players getting paid a lot play a lot. Assists for defensemen was also significant (.226). +/- was not (-.058), meaning it really has no predictive power for salary.

And, I wouldn’t consider myself a stat geek… more just a student that needed to find an interesting data set to use for some statistical method project. Ha.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kewl.

Much more interesting than any of the stats homework I had back in the day!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2009 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No love for Darcy Hordichuck? Well, my day is ruined

by chiavsfan on Jun 11, 2009 9:56 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I am stunned

that Hannan isn’t below Foote. He’s gotta be ranked pretty bad …. no?

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 11, 2009 10:59 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Hannan is 559. A %diff of .613. Versus Foote’s .605, this is really no difference.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I'm more than willing to give Footer the .008

considering how he had his chimes rung (several times) this year.

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

NmfdF – have you plotted these at all? i would love to see some of them charted up with some cool overlays, a good visual reference for the numeric data. That way we could see how the different teams stack up.

infographics are awesome, and i am sure you generated enough stats to make up some good ones.

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by mfured20 on Jun 11, 2009 11:21 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Not yet. I want to improve the model first, taking in to account minimum salaries, etc… I also have a paper I’m trying to get published from some of my research that I will be focusing on this week. Hopefully soon I could come up with something.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome, keep us in the loop! thanks!

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by mfured20 on Jun 13, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you do any multicollinearity analysis?

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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 11, 2009 12:21 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

multicollineawhat?

and is that word sfw?

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 11, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm its like a collie, you know. Like Lassie. Yeah. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l457Eg33qJ4&feature=fvst

(it means the variables are too similar, which impacts the validity of this analysis)

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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 11, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, not yet. I can almost guarantee some will exist. Especially between measures like goals and shots, goals and assists, and probably all of those with TOI.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really thought Wade Redden would be the worst value for his salary. He was just so horrible. Plus his contract of $6-7million/yr is for another 7 years or so. What a nightmare.

By the way, the Avs’ equivalent of Redden has got to be Clark, who defends people like this:

by Pookie on Jun 11, 2009 12:33 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

How long have you had that pic saved in your “My Documents” for a discussion involving Clark?

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 11, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Hannan pursuing the puck

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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 11, 2009 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah..

I’ve seen people actually have trouble getting by these on rare occasion.

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely not good...

Wade Redden: 589, %diff = 0.56
Brett Clark: 456, %diff = 0.822

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Redden wasn't worse:

23 A and average TOI of 22:20. These are the two statistics that matter most for defensemen.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is interesting. why is it Assists and not total Points for defensemen? it just seems teams are willing to pay a premium for a defenseman that can put up points and that includes goals, not just assists.

i was also wondering about the players listed with negative expected salaries — does this indicate that based on their poor performance, they should have paid their teams to be allowed to play in the NHL?

by Pookie on Jun 12, 2009 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t use total points because points is a measure made up of G and A. If P was included as a metric, there would be significant multicollinearity between those three measures. I could just use P instead of G and A, but I wanted to see if those were treated different. The fact that G and A were significant predictors for Forwards, but only A was for Defensemen is justification for me to keep them separate. Obviously having a Defenseman who can score goals is great (I’d love if the Avs had Mike Greene and his 34 G), but what is more important is probably simply the ability to outlet the puck well (which leads to Assists). There have been plenty of great Defensemen in NHL history who were not goal scorers but you would love to have on your team.

A literal interpretation of the negative predicted salaries would mean that. However, in reality what it means is that the model is flawed, especially for players who don’t contribute much scoring. There were 40 players with a predicted salary lower than the league minimum. Of these, only 3 were Defensemen. This is due to the fact that the model for predicting Forward salaries is much more highly driven by scoring statistics.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 12, 2009 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

"This does not mean that these star players are way overpaid, rather it means that the model is once again not perfect. Players simply cannot rack up enough goals, assists, etc to get their predicted salary to a level that high. "

Actually I was thinking about this subject the other night watching Zetterburg rattle that shot off the post wtih that amazing flip to his forehand. Only a handful of guys could do that (memories of Foppa and Joey), and in a Stanley Cup final with so much energy being exerted on defense, average to even very good players simply can’t make many plays with so little time and space. The truly superlative players earn their chops in the face of such defensive intensity.

Your stats seem to imply that for the most part there isn’t that much difference between a star and a good player. Possibly the key then to the cap is having a sharp GM put his money into a goalie, one or or two studs ( who are capable of making the brilliant play in game 7) and filling in with bright, tough, motor guys who won’t quit. Wait, I think I just described Detroit.

by Digit on Jun 11, 2009 1:08 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I think having a legitimate superstar is a great thing for a team. Who here thinks that Alexander Semin scores 79pts in 62 games and Nicklas Backstrom gets 88pts in 82 games without playing with Ovie? Not me. Not only is he going to help those players around him by scoring and setting them up, he opens up the ice for them by drawing the better defenders to himself. So, like you said, take a few superstars and surround them with solid role-playing players. It’s all about chemistry.

I do believe, and I imagine most hockey analysts would agree with me on this, that having a good goalie is one of the most important things a team can have to do well in the regular season. Playoffs are more of a crapshoot (look at Luongo), but a hot goalie can always carry a team (Cam Ward, J.S. Giguere).

Interestingly, Detroit’s average %diff was 1.166, which was 26th/30. The range was 1. NYI: 1.906 to 30. CAR: 1.067. The Avs were 15th: 1.364

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll second that.

Just look at Tanguay and the Duke with and after Foppa. Nothing against either of them per se, but if you have an absolute rock star skating with you, you can’t help but look great.

Hell, even I could go 22, 48, 70 if Foppa was on my line!

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 11, 2009 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly correct. the best teams are always this, including the Avs back in the day.

by thedoctor on Jun 11, 2009 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Furthermore, at LEAST one of said studs should be a Center.

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by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 11, 2009 2:23 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops

Intended reply to Digit.

Never trust the lunch lady.

by Hardshell_Taco_del_Lowayne on Jun 11, 2009 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting stuff.

so, if I understand what you are doing, is Stastny was making $6.6 million this season, his .47% differential would have been the worst on the team?

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 11, 2009 3:00 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes... but...

His predicted salary would be severely limited by the number of games he played. I calculated another model using per GP stats (Goals/game, A/game, etc…). His %diff in that one was like 0.63. So better, but still not good. An example of another player whose rank was killed by GP:

Danny Briere: #640/667, %diff = 0.34. He was paid $6.5 million this season, so very similar to Stastny’s new contract.

Using the per GP model, he goes up to 0.54 and #587.

In the per GP model, Crosby is only a 0.70.

So, the intangibles of playing on the top line/etc still need to be taken in to account.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

And one more thing

Time on PP and PK is probably going to be highly related to salary also. I want to add those in with it.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 11, 2009 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stopped reading as soon as I noticed Darcy Tucker has a +0.6 rating regarding his contract.

by Tommelot on Jun 12, 2009 1:15 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

He said intangible like “uselessness” and “douchery” weren’t taken into account.

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by Mike @ MHH on Jun 12, 2009 7:34 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

if i understand “first dog” correctly, he is saying tucker’s predicted salary should be .62% of his actual salary. in other words, he should be making close to half of his actual salary. he is only slightly less overpaid than foote (.61%), who is apparently the most overpaid according to this analysis scheme.

by Pookie on Jun 12, 2009 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

Reply to this is below…

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 12, 2009 1:18 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Tucker’s predicted salary was .62 of his actual salary. While he and Foote are both “overpaid” with this measure by about the same amount, I think everyone would agree that we can live more comfortably with Foote being overpaid by that much than Tucker.

by Naming my first dog Foppa on Jun 12, 2009 1:17 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Popular Topic -- "Bad deals handicap clubs" (Globe and Mail 6/13/09)

ERIC DUHATSCHEK of the Globe and Mail listed his top 10 worst NHL contracts today:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/bad-deals-handicap-clubs/article1180081/

Number one on his list? Hilarious — WADE REDDEN!!!
(I do think under most everyone’s “gut” test, Redden’s contract appears to be the worst).

by Pookie on Jun 13, 2009 4:16 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Smyth

shows up as number 9 on that list….

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by Americanario on Jun 13, 2009 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Brad Richards isn’t near it. bad list.

by thedoctor on Jun 13, 2009 10:09 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Smyth isn’t even #3 on the Avs (Tucker, Clark, and Hannan would get that honor)

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rags with the top 3

Some things never change, eh?

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