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The 2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche

This will be an ongoing update with how the Avalanche roster is looking, including estimated cap room. This list includes players under contract with a reasonable expectation to make the team (as of this writing). The depth chart takes some liberties, of course, but it should be acceptable for this exercise. More after the numbers.

 

LW C RW
1 Smyth 6.250 * Stastny 6.600 Hejduk 3.900 *
2 Wolski 2.800 Svatos 2.050
3 Stewart 0.850 Hensick 0.850 Jones 0.605
4 McLeod 0.574 Tucker 2.250
Res McCormick 0.574
D D
1 Hannan 4.500 * Liles 4.200 *
2 Clark 3.500 Salei 3.025
3 Foote 3.000 * Vernace 0.545
Res Cumiskey 0.607
G
1
2 Budaj 0.880
Under Contract 19
Estimated Hit 47.560
Estimated Cap 56.000
Cap Space 8.440

A couple observations & notes.

- The Avalanche don't have an abundance of cap space, but they are not as tight against it as some other NHL teams are. They won't be chasing Marian Hossa (or Dany Heatley) this summer unless they move a large contract off the books, but they aren't as desperate as some have said. Granted, the team they'd be fielding wouldn't be much different than last year's team, but it's still "doable" in terms of the cap.

-Given that Tucker, McLeod, McCormick and Lappy really all belong on the 4th line at this point, it really only makes sense for Lappy to come back IF one of the first 3 is moved. The good news? Buying out Tucker would save...gosh, about $1.5 million. You could use ALL of that money to sign Lappy and you'd be upgrading the position. That's a win-win situation.

-Goaltending aside, it seems like the most glaring need above is a couple of capable 2nd line players. Sakic, of course, is an option here. It's probably too early to start penciling in Duchene yet.

-Speaking of Duchene, figure the cap hit to be around $2.8 or $2.9 million - a sizeable chunk.

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Tucker a RW? I know he can do it, but is that how we used him last year?

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:14 PM MDT reply actions  

and where is Stewart?

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stewart’s on the left side – we had this conversation that he was used on both wings. Tucker is also a player that is generally listed as player that can play either wing. See his TSN player bio. I’m beginning to think that you’re dyslexic.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 12, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tucker spent more games on the left, Stewart more on the Right…I think it’s fair to list them at those positions. :)

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

so, which line do you want LW Tucker on and which line do you want RW Stewart on?

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 12, 2009 12:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

dunno. it’s your lineup, I don’t mean to be weird about it..

I listed Stewie on the 4th, Tucker on the 2nd, but it was mostly an illustration of how chillingly bad things would be without some additions. If i was coach/GM I’d be more unorthodox:

Galiardi – Stastny – Hejduk
Smyth – Wolski – Stewart
McLeod – Hensick – Jones
Tucker – Guite – Svatos
McCormick

And try to trade/buyout Tucker and Svatos to make room for cheaper guys like Stoa/Mercier/McCormick on the 4th.

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

or Lappy on the 4th too.

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

so, which line do you want LW Tucker on and which line do you want RW Stewart on?

I’d like to see Tucker on the LW on that new “Press Box” line I’ve heard so much about

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 12, 2009 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see Tucker...

on the line – as in line cook, short order variety – Denny’s (though I could live with IHOP or Village Inn).

by Hopfenkopf on Jun 14, 2009 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

JINX!

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 12, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stewart is the #3 LW…line with Hensick and Jones

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 12, 2009 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stewart is on there, LW 3rd line for now. not thrilled with that spot either. Tucker played about a 3rd of his games at RW. I figure he can contribute nothing from either side just as easily

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 12, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

whoa there, missed that

I’ve been vocal about Stewart’s lack of worth on the left side…I wonder what his scoring splits were at each position?

Tucker also spent twice as many games on the left as right. I’d list him there. :)

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good stuff. I was actually also just writing up a very similar post which illustrates the team’s cap room and contracted players’ cap numbers.

Here are some of my thoughts/observations: For those of you scoring at home, it looks like the players with the asterisks (*) denote players with no trade clauses. Here is an explanation of each one of those:

NTC – player cannot be traded without his consent; consent not required for waivers for assignment to minors.
    NMC – player cannot be traded, waived for a claim by another team, or assigned to the minors without his consent. [This does not protect the player from a buyout.]
-——————
Adam Foote, COL – NTC
Scott Hannan, COL – NMC
Milan Hejduk COL – NTC
John-Michael Liles, COL – NTC [can name up to 18 teams he will not accept a trade to]
Ryan Smyth, COL – NMC

http://www.nhlscap.com/no_trade.htm

Restricted Free Agents Jones, McLeod, McCormick, Verance, Cumiskey, and Budaj have estimated salaries based on the minimum qualifying offer that the team must make to retain their rights. These numbers are not absolute; the team could choose to walk away from the players. Offer sheets could be made by other teams. Or, the team may even offer any of these players more than the minimum offer.

To that end, Peter Budaj made $800k last year, so his minimum qualifying offer only has to be 105% ($840k) and not the 110% or $880k DDC posted.

Qualifying Offers
The current team must extend a “qualifying offer” to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player.

Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season’s salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.

If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.

http://proicehockey.about.com/od/nhlfreeagents/a/nhl_free_agents_2.htm

Based on the cap numbers that I posted of previous top 5 picks, I do agree that whoever (Duchene?) the Avs select with the third overall pick will have a cap number around $2.8-2.9 million. I was actually using an estimate of $2.85 million :)

Lastly, DDC used an estimated upper limit of $56 million. The upper limit this year was $56.7 million and it has not yet been announced what the 2009-10 upper limit will be. Based on this estimation, DDC is right that the Avs are not as hard up against the cap as some other teams out there. But with those estimations, adding the salaries of a legitimate number one goaltender and a top six forward (or a top 3 draft pick) and fleshing out the rest of the roster (the minimum player salary for 2009-10 is increasing from $475k to $500k http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#max_min) could put the team very close to the upper limit.

But, that is not to say that management will want to spend all the way upto the upper limit, especially on a rebuilding team. Unless of course they believe that that team can turn things around and rebuild in one year a la the 2006-7 Flyers to the 2007-8 Flyers. But, I don’t think that any of us are fooling ourselves into thinking that this Avs team is making bold enough moves to have that quick of a turn around.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 12, 2009 12:20 PM MDT reply actions  

oops, yeah, did use the wrong multiplier from Budaj.

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 12, 2009 12:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least you can fess up to your mistakes…..maybe PL should take a class from you.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 12, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just another note on the RFA’s: McLeod, McCormick, and Budaj are arbitration eligible. Jones, Cumiskey and Vernace are not.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 12, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah…I’m concerned about McLeod going to arbitration.

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least that would guarantee that he would be under contract by the start of the season. That’s the tricky thing about these estimations when you factor in the RFA’s: you’re really only basing the estimation on the minimum amount that they could make. I could see any, all, or at least most of them being given raises that are higher than their minimum qualifying offer, particularly McLeod and Budaj.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 12, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

So the question has to be asked: Why hasn’t Tucker been bought out or given his outright release to facilitate the signing of Lappy and make a roster spot available for a youngster on this rebuilding team?

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 12, 2009 12:44 PM MDT reply actions  

it would admit a mistake, something the Avs don’t do. ever.

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

didn’t they buy out Gratton?

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 12, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

you’re correct. I didn’t know they did that.

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

it cost the team 1.9m to do so, btw, more than the 1.5m it would cost for Tucker.

by thedoctor on Jun 12, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Aside from the never admitting mistake thing, Tucker has put up decent 2nd line player type numbers since the lockout before dramatically decreasing last year. Maybe the Avs are still holding out hope that he just had an off year and can still play a second line role. But we all know how this team likes to misjudge and over value its own players.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 12, 2009 12:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

another reason: buyout period is from June 15th – 30th.

/snark

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 12, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

We can only hope…

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 12, 2009 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Bad signings up to this point

Screwing the Avs long term.

1. Looks like Tucker’s signing last season is gonna cost us Lappy.

2. Stastny is way overpaid. I’m sorry, but he is. He should have been given closer to 5 mil for 3 years to see how he did.

3. ??

4. Profit!

I don't believe in Peter Budaj.

by BraxtanFILM on Jun 12, 2009 1:40 PM MDT reply actions  

I have to agree on the Stastny contract. He was basically given Joe Sakic’s money. I’m sure they probably look at him to be the future face of the franchise and wanted to pay him as such. I don’t mind the years, a 5yr contract for a young guy like SoS is a good thing, even with the injuries the last two seasons. But the money is an issue. I’m sure at the time, no one expected that the Cap might go down and the price may even be below his value on the open market (?). Next year he will be making more money than both Smyth (6.5mil) and Hejduk (4mil). I probably would have started him out a little lower and increased him yearly… maybe something like 3 mil in 2009-10, 3.5mil in 2010-11, 4mil in 2011-12, etc.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 12, 2009 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah, they could have always given him an extension. But I’m still glad we have him; I think last year was an aberration.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on Jun 12, 2009 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

No one expected the cap to go down?

I’m pretty sure they’ve been talking about the cap going down all season. Regardless, he should have been given a stair step contract— 4m, 4m, 5m, 5.5m, 6 or something similar.

I get the feeling we’ve seen the last of Joe Sakic…maybe they knew, and that’s why they paid Stastny so much?

I don't believe in Peter Budaj.

by BraxtanFILM on Jun 12, 2009 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

But remember, stair-step contracts don’t matter with the cap, because it’s the average over the lifetime of the contract that counts as the cap hit. Your 5-year example for instance would still count as $4.9 million a season.

Just splitting hairs, I know.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 12, 2009 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still a 4.9 cap hit is easier to deal with than the 6.5 they are facing.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.

by Americanario on Jun 12, 2009 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

And a $1.5 million is even better, but the reality is that they signed the $6.5 million deal and it was fair market value at the time. $2.5 mil for Tucker wasn’t.

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 12, 2009 6:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I Disagree

Stastny (5 years $6.6M) got just a slightly worse contract than Anze Kopitar (7 years $6.8M/year), despite having better numbers. He has been more injury prone, but he’s been a lsightly better player when healthy. And it’s not like his injuries are those reoccurring types. For a young player with his stats… he’s paid market value (in fact I’d say he’s slightly underpaid)

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 12, 2009 11:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

this is it exactly

Kopitar set the market. His was ridiculous, Stastny’s less so. I do wish they’d somehow talked into less.

by thedoctor on Jun 13, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Come on, DDC!

Ongoing update
McLeod’s contract already!

His $1.033333 million cap number is significantly higher than was his minimum qualifying offer of $574k. And I expect Budaj’s to be similar. Speaking of Budaj, you still haven’t corrected the multiplier for his minimum offer;)

And the afore mentioned Buyout period of June 15-30th is now about half way over. Anyone see Tucker going anywhere?

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 21, 2009 10:21 PM MDT reply actions  

Also, some speculative news regarding the 2009-10 upper limit:

LAS VEGAS — The players’ most important vote of the year was not totally completed Saturday.

Players here in Vegas voted on the 5 percent salary-cap inflator issue Saturday, but a shortage of reps caused the executive board vote to be delayed a day or two.

“We have a system in place that allows us to get the vote fairly quickly,” said NHL Players’ Association executive director Paul Kelly. “All of our reps were here when we had our initial executive board meeting on Thursday. We discussed this growth-factor issue in great length. We discussed it again in the meetings.”

The 5 percent inflator is a right the players have in the collective bargaining agreement to tack on to the salary-cap figure for the following season. If the players’ executive board (30 player reps) vote yes on the inflator, the NHL’s salary cap will be in the $56 million range for next season, almost unchanged from this season’s figure of $56.7 million. But if the players vote no, the cap would be in the $54 million range.

The betting money is the players’ executive board will vote yes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4275177&name=lebrun_pierre

The NHL should announce what the upper and lower limits for the 2009-10 season are before the July 1st free agency period begins and quite possibly before this weekend’s June 26-27 2009 entry draft.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 21, 2009 10:31 PM MDT reply actions  

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