The 2009-2010 Avalanche [Updated with McLeod]

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 AM MDT Comment 26 comments

Here's an updated roster / salary cap list reflecting McLeod's $3.1 million, 3-year extension, with cap changes relative to the last list

	LW		C		RW
1	Ryan Smyth *	6.250	Paul Stastny	6.600	Milan Hejduk *	3.900
2			Wojtek Wolski	2.800	Marek Svatos	2.050
3	Chris Stewart	0.850	T.J. Hensick	0.850	David Jones §	0.605
4	Cody McLeod	1.033			Darcy Tucker	2.250
Res					Cody McCormick §	0.574

	D		D
1	Scott Hannan *	4.500	John-Michael Liles *	4.200
2	Brett Clark	3.500	Ruslan Salei	3.025
3	Adam Foote *	3.000	Michael Vernace	0.545
Res	Kyle Cumiskey §	0.607

	G
1
2	Peter Budaj §	0.880

	Under Contract	19
	Estimated Hit	48.019
	Estimated Cap	56.000
	Cap Space	7.981
	Change	-0.459

	* denotes NTC
	§ denotes RFA

	Other Notables
F	T.J. Galiardi	0.875
F	Ryan Stoa	0.850
D	Wes O'Neill	0.815
D	Ray Macias	0.585
D	Derek Peltier	0.512

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The way I see this the avs have to put tucker in LE and maybe move Smyth.

I'm Mr. Positive

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jun 22, 2009 9:11 AM MDT reply actions

why? there’s 8m of cap room still, and more if they move Svatos…?

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions

Tucker news:

http://www.spectorshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=141:sunday-nhl-rumor-roundup-june-21-2009&catid=5:trade-rumors&Itemid=4

if the Avalanche can’t trade veteran forward Darcy Tucker by late June they’ll buy out the former Leaf.

boy do I hope this is true…hope for Lappy yet?

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 9:41 AM MDT reply actions

Ballin!

by Avalanche318 on Jun 22, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions

The Avs should do everything they can to have cap room for next summer. If this means sitting through one more season of Tucker, then so be it. Why next season, because Ilya Kovalchuk (the single most underrated player in hockey right now) will be a free agent, and he’s one of the few who will look beautiful in a Unipron.

Of course, Hejduk, Foote, Salei, and Clark all have deals expiring next summer as well, which is more than enough for Kovi, so If buying out tucker will allow us to make a run at him and re-sign Lappy, then I’m all for it.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 22, 2009 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions

PS

This makes it sound like I wouldn’t want Hejduk back, which is absurd, of course I want him back.

Svats also comes off the books next season. So buying out Tucker probably isn’t as big a deal as I made it out to be…

The 2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Slumpbusters

by Jibblescribbits on Jun 22, 2009 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions

When you buy out a player, you have the option to have his buyout count against the upper limit for the remaining year(s) of his contract, or spreading his buyout out over twice the remaining year(s) of his contract. Tucker would be bought out at 2/3 of his $2.3 million salary this coming season. So, his buyout would count against the team’s upper limit for the season at $1.533333 million next year or $766,666 for the next two seasons. (http://nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#buyouts)

So theoretically, he could be bought out and not have his buyout affect the team’s space under the limit next summer.

But anyone who’s in favor of buying out Tucker to re-sign Laperriere, keep in mind that since the buyout amount still counts against the upper limit a player that takes his roster spot has to have a salary of less than 1/3 the buyout amount in order for it to be worth it. Or, it will actually cost the team more. In other words: If the team were to sign Laperriere at $1 million, combined with Tucker’s $1.533333 million buyout amount over one season, that $2.533333 million is more than the cost of paying Tucker the final $2.3 million amount of his contract.

Also, DDC reported in the comments section of the last version of this post that the 2009 Buyout period is from June 15-30th. We’re half way through that period and haven’t exactly heard much of anything yet.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 22, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions

where are you seeing that about one season stuff on this page?

teams may still buy-out player contracts for a portion of the remaining value of the contract paid over twice the remaining length of the contract.

that’s all I see. I don’t think there’s a 1 year option.

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions

Sorry, I really don’t know why I thought that. But you’re right: I didn’t see anything about it in the CBA.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 22, 2009 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions

sure would be nice if they did, at least for our purposes.

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions

If Kovy goes UFA, it will be a very, very interesting spot for the Avs. There’s quite possibly no other team with less gaping holes AND their cap room next summer. And, the cap will most likely be going down. Kovy will be demanding 8-9m+ per year, but it’s pretty debatable whether there’ll be enough teams interested to drive that kind of price.

In terms of money alone, Kovy is probably best served by signing an extension this summer with Atl. he’ll get his 8m+, he’ll be set. And Atl is definitely on the upswing too, they’ve got some great young forwards, another coming this year, an up-and-coming defense, and a nice situation in goal.

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions

oh and tucker’s hit is .75m next year if bought out. I’m not worried about that really affecting our ability to rebuild.

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions

I don’t think anyone is getting 8-9M/year next offseason, not with the cap going down and teams doing a little better job of using the cap with fiscal responsibility.

I think the Avs will be in a really good spot to sign him, and I don’t think he’s staying wiht Atlanta unless the ownership situation hashes itself out by then.

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 22, 2009 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions

I would absolutely love to see Kovalchuk in an Avalanche uniform, but I can’t even begin to think about something like this at the moment. too many things can happen between now and then

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 22, 2009 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions

You can't imagine hypothetical, not likely to occur scenarios?

What kind of blogger are you?

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 22, 2009 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions

I still think 8m will be his price. but lets say it’s 7m. can you imagine how good and overpaid our top 6 would be?

Kovy (7m) – Stastny (6.6m) – Hejduk (~4.5m)
Smyth (6.25m) – Duchene (~3m) – Stewie/Jones/Hensick/Svatos/? (~2m)

~29.5m with 2 defenseman under contract, though Shattenkirk and Gaunce will probably be ready that year and will both be pretty cheap. Add in Footer on a cheaper contract and some other scrubs…i guess it could work. I’ll toss it in the excel spreadsheet for next year in a bit.

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions

I think you’ll find most teams are really top heavy on their top-2 lines.. most good teams.

And that Kovy-stastny-Hejduk line makes me drool just a little bit

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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 22, 2009 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions

Stop it! I hate having my hopes crushed.

The guy formerly known as "Where is Bob Hartley?". Because it's never going to happen. And no one knows where he is.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 22, 2009 4:48 PM MDT up reply actions

I have to say, I think McLeod deserves more playing time than just fourth line minutes, and I think he’ll get it too. I still think Cody Mac has the potential to develop into a 25-30 goal guy, I know that the David Backes comparisons are a bit much, but Cody is a year younger in professional progression, and their careers are following a strikingly similar statistical trend. If the Highlander gets some minutes this year with a capable center, he very well could have a bigger year than last year. I’d put him and Stewart (who is listed by the Avalanche organization as a right-winger) on the third line together, and let David Jones learn how to finish and Darcy Tucker find his passion on the fourth line. Cody Mac and Stewie played well together at times, and if they keep developing they are going to be very important pieces to a good team down the road. We know we’re going to be pretty bad next year, so I think we should give the kids the spotlight and let them jump in the fire.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 22, 2009 12:51 PM MDT reply actions

I just don’t see it. we’ve seen McLeod get some chances higher up on the food chain, and it’s never been all that successful IMO.

I’m not sure I see a lot of parallels in Backes’ career either – he was a 2nd round pick while McLeod was an undrafted free agent.

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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 22, 2009 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions

I was mentioning statistical trends, not career path. All I’m saying is that with a decent center, McLeod has the chance to become a 20+ goal guy. I know that his bread and butter is agitating and fighting and just generally being a douche to the other team, but there is no reason, as far as I can see, that he cannot become what Darcy Tucker was when he was with the Leafs (back when he, you know, had a pulse): a great agitator who is good for 100+ PIM and 20-25 goals. Also, regardless of what you think of McLeod’s potential, I find it hard to believe that he is a fourth line player on this team. He finishes better than Davey Jones does, and his agitating game is better than Tucker’s is now. I would hate to see McLeod get 4th line minutes while Jones shoots a foot wide of the net and Tucker skates around in a coma on our third line. If the Avs are going anywhere soon, they’re going to have to develop a checking line with some punch- physically as well as on the scoreboard. I think Cody Mac and Stewie fit that bill perfectly, and have earned the opportunity to get some important minutes this year.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 23, 2009 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions

I think you’ll see McLeod on the 3rd line this year as well.

by thedoctor on Jun 22, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions

Question for the cheap seats: Do the Avs have a desire or ability to afford Steve Sullivan if Nashville elects to cut ties?

2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity

by Mike @ MHH on Jun 22, 2009 1:13 PM MDT reply actions

You know, I like Steve Sullivan a lot. He’s a fast, very talented winger and can put up good numbers on the power play.

That said, he’s small – both height and weight wise – for the NHL game and very injury prone. He’s played in the full 82 games just once in his 12 years in the league. He missed the last 20 games of the 2006-7 season, entire 2007-8 season, and the first half of this past season due to a back injury. (But, he did turn into a decent sleeper fantasy pick for me this year given that he was out the first half of the year.)

At 34, he’s not getting any faster, younger, or healthier. I just don’t see how he would be a good pick up for the Avs.

by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 22, 2009 1:50 PM MDT up reply actions

I really don’t think they’re going to let him go. Why hang on to him during the whole back thing to let him go as soon as he’s healthy?

by Mrs @ MHH on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions

I’ve always been a fan of Steve Sullivan, and he certainly does have a great story. However, at this point, I have come to terms with the youth movement and several years of mediocrity, provided there is a light at the end of the tunnel. I still really believe that our best chance to get back to a Cup is to let the young guns jump in the fire this year. Unless we gave Sullivan a one or two year contract, then I would have to say no. If he was brought in simply to be a top 6 guy during the next two years, then I would be ok with it. But I still have to say I’d rather see T.J. Galiardi get those minutes next year.

by The Extra Attacker on Jun 23, 2009 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions