Hey, Would You Believe Joe Sacco Is Our New Coach?
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 11:15 AM MDT
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In a completely shocking move, the Avalanche are about to name Lake Erie coach Joe Sacco as their new head coach. This is, of course, a stunning turn of events that we didn't completely call yesterday. This has caught me so much by surprise that I can't even tell you that four teams in the AHL and NHL scored less than 200 goals last year - Colorado was one...and Lake Erie was another. I also didn't research Sacco's record in Lake Erie (60-79-9) and can't tell you that only 3 teams have a worse record than Lake Erie during the two year's of Sacco's tenure.
Sacco, of course, follows Tony Granato, Joel Quenneville and Bob Hartley as Avalanche coaches promoted from within (yes, I'm cheating a bit with Quenneville. Sue me).
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In other news…the sun came up in parts of the world today. I went to work, and nearly 100% of the population will take a dump at some point in the next 24 hours.
Color me not surprised
by chiavsfan on Jun 4, 2009 11:18 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don’t overestimate the number of people who will take a dump. You’d be surprised how many people aren’t that regular. Just saying.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
by Joe Dunman on Jun 4, 2009 1:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe..
Sakic as player coach. it worked in slapshot. i can’t believe this. the colorado avalanche drive me to smoke.
by whalers71 on Jun 4, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Release Error
I think there’s an error in the release. Replace “head coach” with “scapegoat”.
by smoky201 on Jun 4, 2009 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
nice
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope his record doesn't speak for itself
Of course, being PL’s latest puppet, he probably won’t be allowed to speak for himself.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 11:25 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not surprised by Sacco’s hiring and don’t mind giving the guy a chance; especially if Lefebvre comes up with him (Lefebvre seems to have a defensive strategy).
While I’m not surprised that Sacco will be the new coach, and I’m also not surprised that the organization hired from within. But damnit, would it kill them to at least interview other candidates?
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
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by Americanario on Jun 4, 2009 11:26 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I think people are getting a little to crazy about Lefevbre. I’m sure he’s a quality assistant and all that, but he’d have to be a miracle worker to do what people are saying he’s going to do
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying that actually having a system (or appearing to have one) has to be better than what we had this last season.
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by Americanario on Jun 4, 2009 2:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, what are we really asking now?
Will Pinchy carrry the new hc press conference?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 11:29 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
At this point....
I would not at all be surprised if we trade away the 3rd pick. I really wouldn’t.
by whalers71 on Jun 4, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
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by Streams Of Whiskey on Jun 4, 2009 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is why some of us voted to predict that arny will be back with the avs next year
by Pookie on Jun 4, 2009 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could have given you Jim Playfair for that pick… at least you’d be getting a coach who’s done something at the minor league level, and coached a year in the NHL with a winning record.
by Resolute on Jun 4, 2009 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, great job boys.
After waiting THIS long, that’s all they could come up with? I’m all for giving someone a chance, but they could’ve at least pull their heads out of their asses for a few minutes to look at outside candidates.
by Streams Of Whiskey on Jun 4, 2009 11:32 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry – I missed the point where the Avs stopped trying to win.
by Fort Avalanche on Jun 4, 2009 11:52 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome to MHH
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, just because we won Ti4T doesn’t mean we’re not front-runners in Ti4H, too. Get in line and know your place!
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by Dominik on Jun 4, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows, come June 26 we just might. (Please god, no)
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by Dominik on Jun 4, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d prefer to tank for Cam Fowler, but that’s just me :-)
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 4, 2009 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t remember his first name, so i couldn’t find a picture :)
But out of curiosity, what makes you prefer Fowler? The limited (very limited) research I’ve done looks like Hall is going to be the top prospects, and maybe Kabanov.
I don’t know much about either 3 to be honest.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big smooth skating defenseman with a big shot. I fell in love with him watching the U-18s.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 4, 2009 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jun 4, 2009 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see your point about not looking outside but I’m thinking that this may be a long term organization strategy that I’ve seen work really well. If the employees of the organization understand that all promotions are from within, they work extremely hard in order to get the chance at a promotion. An organization needs talent at all levels, not just the top. If everybody is giving 110%, the organization will run very smooth. I think Billington is a really good example of a specific employee that goes above and beyond his expectations.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 12:00 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
In theory
But if people working hard gets you candidates like Joe Sacco then why not check if anyone else is available?
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by PPP on Jun 4, 2009 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
if those same employees feel like they are going to take the blame for managerial failures, then it kind of cancels out.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t perform, then you’ll be shown the door. They have to make room for promotions somehow. Get rid of the dead wood.
I don’t know a lot about Sacco other than his record coaching for a team that had a lot of injuries and callups. However, I’m not going to say that he was a bad choice yet. I’ll give him a year before I do that. The organization must see something that we don’t.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 12:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you don’t perform, then you’ll be shown the door.
Good, PL’s gotta be next in line then.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
very idealistic,
but not very descriptive of avalanchia, the land where 1) incompetent non-fans of hockey produce the game broadcasts and “market” the team via a horrible website and horrible or LAZYASS PR department; and 2) puppets do what they are told to do and then are fired in a disrespectful way when the product is embarrassing.
by Pookie on Jun 4, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
sigh. I wish you well Sacco, but I don’t exactly have high hopes.
by thedoctor on Jun 4, 2009 12:08 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Did anyone else catch this?
PL: “Surrounded by a strong hockey staff and under my supervision, [Sherman] will have all the necessary support to lead the Avalanche in this new direction.”
There are SO many things wrong with that sentence, it’s not even funny.
by cglenn on Jun 4, 2009 12:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
"Surrounded by a strong hockey staff and under my borderline tyrannical lordship, [Sherman] will have all the necessary support to lead the Avalanche in this new direction."
Fixed!
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Surrounded by a strong hockey staff and under my borderline tyrannical lordship, [Sherman] will have my son to lead the Avalanche in this new direction.”
by Inebriated Simian Miscreants on Jun 5, 2009 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep, saw it.
Any pictures of any avs personnel posted herein are now required to have puppet strings photoshopped into them. Maybe jibbles can make us a bunch of stock photos like with the budaj buttons last year?
Get rid of the loser point
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by TheRed on Jun 4, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
So PL shouldn't supervise his subordinates?
I guarantee that Stan supervises PL.
I don’t understand why everybody hates PL so much. He brought us two stanley cups, Roy, Forsberg, Bourque, Blake. He was able to keep Sakic around for a very long time. Do you guys not like it when your teams wins championships. A major rebuild was going to happen sooner or later in this post-lockout league. Might as well be now.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
a major rebuild would be acceptable.
this is not a major rebuild.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suck for half a decade, grab a pile of top picks, then compete for a few years worked for Pittsburgh. Maybe that’s PL’s plan as well?
by Resolute on Jun 4, 2009 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you consider a major rebuild? I think anytime you have a top 5 pick because of the standings (opposed to a trade), you’re going through a major rebuild.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rebuild would also involve shedding salary: trading away veteran (non core) players away for draft picks, prospects, younger players. That could have started at the trade deadline. it didn’t.
by c0nquistad0rian on Jun 4, 2009 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could see that. However, it doesn’t seem that too many clubs are willing to give up draft picks for old guys right now. I think we tried at the deadline but trading is a 2 way street. If there are no buyers then there won’t be sellers.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I consider step one of a major rebuild as bringing in some new people into the front office.
fail, out of the gates.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, so you’re saying that we are in a major rebuild but you don’t think we are doing a good job of it.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 3:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supervise
Doesn’t mean doing their job, it means evaluating the job their doing. Pierre clearly is doing the new GM’s work by hiring this coach. Pierre is clearly more involved than “supervising”, he’s meddling
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s hard to say what goes on behind closed doors. What makes you believe that’s what going on? Do you know somebody that works for the org? Or is it just a theory? I don’t think it’s so black and white the only one person is allowed to make dicisions. In almost every situation, your boss is basically your client. You take things in a direction that they want to go. If they don’t like something, they speak up. How do you handle situations when you hire somebody? For instance, if you hire a contractor to build your house, do you tell him how you want it to look. Or would you just say, “You’re the contractor and I trust whatever you do”? If he starts to build the garage in the wrong place, will you tell him to stop and redirect him to the right place? Or would you just fire him and start over?
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm
It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that this coaching hire is Pierre’s and not Shermans. There’s no possible way that Sherman has had the necessary time to do a proper coaching search in all of 24 hours.
Besides, this quote from Lacroix
“Surrounded by a strong hockey staff and under my supervision, he will have all the necessary support to lead the Avalanche in this new direction.”
is a euphemism for “I’m still in charge folks” He pretty much told us he’s meddling.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he is in charge, look at his title. I agree that the coach wasn’t 100% Sherman’s hire but it’s not like he (Sherman) is new to the org. He likely had input as well as Billington. The way I’m guessing things will run is that Sherman won’t be the lead hockey strategist. It will be a team effort between himself, PL and Billington. That makes the most sense because PL and Billington know the most about hockey and Sherman is a businessman. I like this approach because several heads are better than one. I’m also guessing that Michel Goulet was fired because he was the hockey strategist and FG was the businessman. Just a theory.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
fine I mistyped he used a euphemism for “I’m micromanaging folks”
he way I’m guessing things will run is that Sherman won’t be the lead hockey strategist
and nothing about this strikes you as odd, as Sherman is the General Manager of a Hockey team?
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what would have been the titles and roles if Roy had said yes?
And in the old-employee pipeline, is PL bummed Jacques Martin got away?
So many questions. Sorry to say this is fun to watch from the outside. Not often an Islanders fan can gawk at another club and say, “Well would you look at that show!?”
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by Dominik on Jun 4, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to say this is fun to watch from the outside. Not often an Islanders fan can gawk at another club and say, "Well would you look at that show!?"
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by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would strike me as odd in the pre-lockout period. It’s interested because I was watching NHL Live today and they were talking about this strategy. Apparently it’s becoming a trend to have you GM as a businessman and surround yourself with people that are hockey experts. That does make some sense to me.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you handle situations when you hire somebody?
I don’t have that power, however my boss gets to hire whoever he wants to, because his boss trusts him to do his job, and if he didn’t he would fire him.
For instance, if you hire a contractor to build your house, do you tell him how you want it to look. Or would you just say, "You’re the contractor and I trust whatever you do"?
No, but if it turned out ugly… I wouldn’t fire or sue the contractor. I’d recognize it’s all my damn fault and he was just following my direction.
However if I were going to hire a contractor to build me a house I would do some research. I would look at homes they have built to see if their style is aesthetically pleasing to me. I’d research their legal history to see if they had a history of complaints. I’d talk to other clients of theirs to see if they were happy with their work. I’d also look at other contractors too and choose the one that I felt had the most experience.
If that contractor needed to hire another subcontractor, such as a lawn service, I certainly would let them choose the company. Sure I’d ask for an explanation behind the decision, but I certainly wouldn’t dictate which lawn service they needed to use, because that’s what I’m paying them to do, is make those decisions.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your analogy, but wouldn’t you fire him if he sub-contracted his friends who then built the garage upside-down?
by smoky201 on Jun 4, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I probably would fire him if it were to get that far. However, my point is, instead of letting it get that far, I would stop him before he built it wrong. You could look at that as micro-managing but I just see it as managing.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you still wouldn’t be telling them what type of concrete to use, or the gauge of electrical wire, or where the support structures should go. If you did and they didn’t push back your poorly built garage is your own damn fault.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true, that’s where I would have to trust them. That’s how I see Billington in his role in relation to Sherman. Billington and PL will advise Sherman on hockey matters and he’ll likely take that advise. However, business matters will likely all be handle by Sherman.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Pierre has eroded that trust with the way he’s handled this entire thing (and frankly many of the decisions under Francois Giguere have PL’s fingerprints all over them)
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
See I was thinking that Michel Goulet might have been making alot of the decisions in regards to hockey. Why else would they fire him. Maybe they just thought he wouldn’t agree to work under Sherman. This is one of those things that we’ll likely never know for sure. I prefer to give PL the benefit of doubt because I like to think that the avs are on the right track. If I don’t, it gets too depressing and it’s not fun anymore.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:41 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculation
this guy speculates (or says there’s rumors) that Goulet was fired because he was upset over being passed over for the position.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I saw that too and it’s not a bad theory. You would think he would quit though, if that was the case. Why would he stay on to be fired?
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he’s fired he gets his contract paid out… if he quits he forfeits the money
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense but I’m having trouble with how it went down. For instance, Goulet finds out Sherman got the promotion, does he go to PL and ask to be fired. Or did he pull a Costanza and try to get fired?
Man, speaking of work, I better get back to it.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone close to the org. Suggested the same thing to me but it geared more towards having to report to billington than Sherman.
For what it’s worth I get a good vibe from Sacco. He’s a Ron Wilson / Hitchcock desciple & seems pretty hard nosed.
by Dario on Jun 4, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to be fair
The LEMs did improve last season compated to the prior year, and were ravaged by callups. I’m really hoping he turns out to be something special. Just disappointed in the process, I guess.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly. we would have a better chance at success with a better hiring process…but that doesn’t mean we can’t be successful still.
by thedoctor on Jun 4, 2009 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite my tone
I don’t hate the Sacco hiring. I think there’s better candidates out there, but I don’t know enough about Sacco to say it’s bad.
I find the way everything the Avs have done it in the last year or so to be deplorable.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly…the way they’ve done it.
lame!by thedoctor on Jun 4, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing to consider is that if I did know what types of concrete to use, then I would tell him my preference. Lacroix must know more about hockey then Sherman, so I would expect that he would let his opinions be known.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 1:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why engineers make the worst engineering customers, doctors make the worst patients, and accountants make the worst Tax clients. Because they know just enough to really make trouble.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
They’re bad as clients becuase the may disagree with the consultant. However, it’s a huge advantage for the client because they can’t be misled.
I have to ask this question because it just seems like you just hate PL. At this point, is there anything that he could do that you would agree with?
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Yeah, I was completely on board with yesterday. I liked firing the coaching staff and replacing the GM. I didn’t even have any problems with Sherman being the GM.
I would have been completely on board with him sitting back and letting Sherman conduct a real coaching search, bringing in qualified candidates and choosing the best one. If it were Joe Sacco, fine.
What I don’t like is him hiring a general manager, but then micromanaging him to death. He needs to have some balls and be the GM, or recuse himself from it and quit doing this hybrid “I gm when it’s exciting, but not when it’s boring crap.” He’s trying to have his cake and eat it too.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its more the way they are going about the rebuild that bothers me (can’t speak for anybody else). The swinging in the wind thing with TG esp bothered me. But also the complete lack of interest in looking anywhere but inside, the fact that Sherman is basically FG redux, ectc. I mean, even companies that hire mostly from inside at least LOOK outside to see if maybe there is a genius waiting, and hiring someone who is the same as the guy you just fired doesn’t really seem like redoing anything to me. I think PL is more of a micromanager than a president, and that bothers me too. I think he needs to let people do their jobs and fire them if they don’t, not do half their job for them and then fire them when it doesn’t work out.
Get rid of the loser point
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by TheRed on Jun 4, 2009 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he wasn’t mouthing the words like Peddie did when Fletcher was announced as the interim GM.
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by PPP on Jun 4, 2009 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calm down everyone. I’m sure the best goalie in the league will soon be disgruntled with his coach and want to come to Colorado. Then everything will be just fine.
Yes.. that was a friendly reminder.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 4, 2009 12:46 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…I’m out.
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
by BraxtanFILM on Jun 4, 2009 1:03 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
now this reaction seems a little much. I’ve seen several other people saying this as well, don’t you feel a little fair weather? I mean, sure, stop going to games/spending money on the avs, but no more fandom? really?
by thedoctor on Jun 4, 2009 1:53 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Doc…I will always be a fan, that doesn’t mean I am happy about what’s going on. But my fan card will always stick
by chiavsfan on Jun 4, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here….
Though I have to admit, I’m starting to wonder if maybe I should have spent a little less money on my tickets for Frozen Fury this fall.
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by Americanario on Jun 4, 2009 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it’s so tough for people because of the high expectations set by winning 2 championships. I think if the Avs just moved here from Quebec, and they were last place, we would just be happy to have a hockey team again and would be much less cynical.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, don’t get me wrong…it’s not like I’m going to stop being a fan (although that possibility is becoming at least plausible), but if the organization isn’t even going to pretend to care, why should I?
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
by BraxtanFILM on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lacroix tops the Habs again
Just when I thought Jacques Martin was the worst hire of the off season, Lacroix comes in and steals Montreal’s thunder.
by Exit716 on Jun 4, 2009 1:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I voted that I like this hiring
But I’m a Flames fan, so my view might be slightly different. ;)
by Resolute on Jun 4, 2009 1:47 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Then again, maybe this Sacco thing makes sense. You assemble AHL-quality talent, why not have them coached by an AHL-quality coach? At least the Avs are consistent.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
by Joe Dunman on Jun 4, 2009 1:51 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
EPIC FAILURE
Sacco and Sherman are the best available? ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME? good lord, what happened to the guy that was GM in Tampa that called and asked about the job, or the likes of Mike Keenan or hell Bob Hartley as coach? ARE THEY DEAD OR WHAT NOW? someone tell Enos that Pierre is choking the team and needs to be canned more than anyone else. We could always go looking around the league for someone that has a better track record since the cap. This is not the best the AVS could do. Once again Pierre is tanking it for something. So who are the top prospects for next year? we’ve done a good job of Tanking for Tavares or Hedman this year. Who shall we tank for next year? And so help me god, if they let Arnason return next year i’ll go to Lodo myself and slap pierre all over the can and the greater denver metro area. THIS IS THE WORST CHANGE I’VE EVER SEEN. PIERRE YOU SIR SUCK!!!!
by FIRE_FG_the_moron on Jun 4, 2009 1:54 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Just when you thought things were looking up, Pierre Lacroix is there to bring you back down to Earth, and squash any hint of hope you may have had.
by chileiceman on Jun 4, 2009 1:58 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Listening to the presser right now
on the fan: http://www.fm1043thefan.com/listenOnline.aspx
Sad thing, Sherman sounded like he was just reading something. Didn’t sound much different than Pinchy high tech videos.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sacco also reading something.
I wonder if PL wrote all of this stuff?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sly an assistant?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:07 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Les Shapiro
asks who had input in hiring Sacco …
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:11 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s great to have him back in town, Shapiro asked the best questions today.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 4, 2009 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
List of candidates … blah blah blah, Joe first guy to bring in, ultimately decided to go with Joe. Did not interview anyone else. Shocker.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate the Eagles
“The Dude”: Nothing is fucked here man!
The Big lebowski: Nothing is fucked? The god damned plane has crashed into the mountain!
by smoky201 on Jun 4, 2009 2:12 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hastings breaks in so we can’t hear the next question. Ahole.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:14 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm live blogging listening to the presser
wooooohoooooooo.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:15 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone asks about PL’s involvement. “Tremendous resource for us. Bounce ideas off.”
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:16 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
AD: Greg you are "business guy" not a hockey man
So wtf do you think about that?
You’re right AD, says Sherm. I couldn’t identify a puck if it were up my arse.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:17 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sherm not even owning up to Avs being a hockey team now
Instead referring to it as “an on-ice product.”
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
To call the Fan
303-228-1043. Sounds like they may be taking Av calls now. I dare anyone to call.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:21 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
8 rival fans have now voted in the poll
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
dancin' with my self, oh oh oh
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:25 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Puck Daddy has his say…kind of
• In a bold move that’s sure to break the mold for how franchises choose their new leaders, Joe Sacco of the Colorado Avalanches’ AHL franchise the Lake Erie Monsters has been named the new Avalanche coach. Joining Sacco as an assistant will be former Colorado defenseman Sylvain Lefebvre. (We’ve actually heard good things about Sacco as a coaching candidate. But still, what an air out of the balloon couple of days for Denver.) [Denver Post]
• Mile High Hockey writes that Sacco follows in a long line of promotions from within. [MHH, and more great coverage from Mile High here]
• Meanwhile, the new regime in the Colorado front office is already being called a puppet administration. [Edmonton Journal]
by chiavsfan on Jun 4, 2009 2:26 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
And if anyone knows anything about pupped administrations, its the Edmonton Journal, given that is exactly what Lowe and Tambellini are.
by Resolute on Jun 4, 2009 2:31 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacco now on the Fan
With Scott and Al. For those that don’t know, Scott Hastings (ex-NBA player and Nug broadcaster) and Alfred Williams (ex-CU Buff and Denver Bronco). They know as much about hockey as Greg Sherman.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:29 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Sacco calls re-signing Arnason
a top priority.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:30 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
about the part where he said he wanted to shed dead weight like Laperriere
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another good
“who is listening test” there. Wish they would ask some more pointed questions.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're gonna kill most of us with that crap!
by Hopfenkopf on Jun 4, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everything I wrote except the Arnason thing was true, give or take some verbiage here and there.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh
I recall BiB yelling “Score!” during an Avs GDT this season, when no goal had been scored in the game. Everyone was confused and freaking out, and BiB explained he just wanted someone to score. LoL. (It was still cruel, just like the Arny “re-signing” story!!!)
by Pookie on Jun 4, 2009 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you remember that!
I was proud. ;)
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Arny re-signing thing is way worse.
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Jun 4, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
my heart seriously stopped and i couldn’t breathe for 2-3 seconds
by Pookie on Jun 4, 2009 2:57 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont make me pee my pants like that…I just changed
by chiavsfan on Jun 4, 2009 2:34 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if the Avs will go back to the Fan next season?
That would be nice.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:36 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
text from a fan
don’t dare share this on on the land of sunshine and rainbows (Mile High Report, Bronco SB nation site)
Something about it being interesting that it took Sacco 54 minutes to get on the Fan and it took Josh McDaniels 54 days. Oh … slam!
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:49 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of sunshine and rainbows
McNab now on the Fan.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:50 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for doing this BiB
i can’t listen, but this is really informative
by thedoctor on Jun 4, 2009 2:52 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
no prob
At work and also working so not able to do too great of a job at keeping up.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
McNab comparing future Avs
to current Caps, Pens and Red Wings. Not sure how he made this jump, but he did.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 2:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
is he doing rainbows and sunshine? i would probably vomit if i were listening to that.
by Pookie on Jun 4, 2009 3:00 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pens
Weren’t the Pens in the top 5 in picks for like 5 years straight (Stall, Fleury, Whitney, Crosby and Malkin), and did so bad that Balsille tried to buy them and move them to Hamilton.
There you go Avs fans.. 4 more years of bottom 5 finishes and you’ll have a contender again! (brilliant strategy)
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 3:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it’s a good thing that we didn’t get Chuck Fletcher then.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Sandy is on
“telling it like it is.” Sacco looks like a guy keeping a seat warm for Patrick Roy.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 3:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll stop
live blogging the Fan now. This would be more appropriate on their website, for crise sakes.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jun 4, 2009 3:22 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
and Sherman is keeping a seat warm for Tommy Boy. Oh joy.
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jun 4, 2009 3:25 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he isn’t a cancer in the management like he was in the locker room, but I’m not holding my breath. Admittedly, it wasn’t his fault he was a cancer, but he was definitely a divisive point, as no one wants to say anything bad around daddy’s kid.
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?
by TheRed on Jun 4, 2009 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
while there’s a chance Sacco could be awesome, i would assume this is the actual long term course too.
by thedoctor on Jun 4, 2009 3:26 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact that he was picked to be an assistant coach for team USA in the world championships must say something.
by mcarson01 on Jun 4, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Avs can't hire outside people
Then another team may learn about the napkin with the recipe for Dr. Pepper PL bought.
by InYoFace on Jun 4, 2009 4:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
No wonder...
…David Carradine hung himself this morning…
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
by BraxtanFILM on Jun 4, 2009 5:53 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was.
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
by BraxtanFILM on Jun 4, 2009 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
kind of agree
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by PPP on Jun 5, 2009 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feel bad for David Carradine...
It sounds like he died happy!
BANGKOK (AP) Authorities in Thailand say David Carradine’s death may have been accidental. The 72-year-old actor was found in a hotel room closet in Bangkok with a rope tied to his neck and genitals. Police initially said they suspected suicide.
I don't believe in Peter Budaj.
by BraxtanFILM on Jun 5, 2009 4:39 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least
the games I saw, LEM played hard all game. I would take that.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jun 4, 2009 5:57 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
According to CBC, Joe Sacco coached the “Fort” Erie Monsters for the last two years :-)
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jun 4, 2009 8:24 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Avelanche's Situation
The Ave’s needed to make a whole lot of major changes. Sacco may be a good coach. We won’t know until next season’s all-star break. They have a nice group of young players. I do think they need to address their goalie situation. I do not think they are a Cup contender with either Budaj or Raycroft. If I was a Ave’s big wheel, I would figure out some way to get Manny Legace from the Blues organization…and give the No. 1 tender slot to him. He was an All Star goalie in January, 2008 for the West. He was perking along just fine with the Blues until he got messed up with a carpet on the ice for Sarah Palin. He’s a number one that the Ave’s could depend on until they developed new goalie talent.
by thebigj on Jun 4, 2009 8:59 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree and Disagree
Nice post.
You are absolutely right on Sacco. We cannot say anything until we see what happens on the ice for a half a season or so.
I also agree that the Avs need to address the goaltender position.
I disagree on the “nice group of young players” at least based on the following. The Hockey News Future Watch edition this year ranked the the Avs organization 27th based on the quality of its Top 10 prospects (Shattenkirk is the top Avs prospect rated #29 overall) and 21 and under NHL players (Chris Stewart was listed). Obviously, we can hope that this year’s draft brings us a couple more top prospects.
Admittedly, the Hockey News rankings do not count young players older than 21. Let’s look at 25 and under. Based on a quick scan, you have to add TJ Hensick, Cody McLeod, Wolski, and Stastny plus a few less notable players. Even with Wolski and Stastny on this list, I do not really see the Avs as having a lot of great young talent.
Hopefully, THN is not giving the Avs enough credit, but they are reasonably good at this.
Keep Moving Forward.
by ColoradoOwl on Jun 4, 2009 10:30 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need to address the goalie situation…yes, but not with Legace. Legace continues to have knee problems and is most likely done in the NHL. He is a back-up at best right now.
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Jun 5, 2009 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If we went with an UFA, i think Biron is the best option. I’d like to see the Avs pull Pavlecec, Harding or Lehtonen in a trade though.
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 6, 2009 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Biron kinda sucks. Not on the level of Raycroft but he’s not a top goalie, that’s for sure.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
by texacogirl on Jun 6, 2009 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dater
Thinks we’re going for conklin. Yippee.
Get rid of the loser point
08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?
by TheRed on Jun 7, 2009 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, thats gonna help us alot. Conks is a decent goalie, but IMO he’s similar to Boods. As a backup he can play well, he can step in as a #1 for periods of time but whether he can handle the pressure of #1 for a full season is unknown. I really wanted the Avs to sign him last year but no, someone thought Raycroft was better.
The Savage has spoken. Let it be done
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost
by Savage33 on Jun 8, 2009 3:59 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said he wanted to shed dead weight like Laperriere????? WTF!!!!
time to fire the newby already….if you say Laperriere is dead weight then you’re a bigger D-Bag than PL or FG could ever be. you’re going to re-sign the 1 guy that DDC gave an F, and let the guy who actually gave 110% every shift every game go? YOU’RE AN IDIOT SIR, MORE SO THAN LACROIX. and now we know why St Patty said thanks but no thanks. excuse me ladies and gents, i’ve got to go puke now as the “LETS GO DEVILS” chant starts to echo in my head louder and louder.
by FIRE_FG_the_moron on Jun 4, 2009 9:48 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm
Your sarcasm detector is broken, he didn’t really say that
by Jibblescribbits on Jun 4, 2009 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tilt!
The guy formerly known as "Where is Bob Hartley?". Because it's never going to happen. And no one knows where he is.
by Pinchy The Lobster on Jun 5, 2009 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breathe in, breathe out. Count to ten. Read the ENTIRE thread before commenting, it’ll help you manage your rage issues.
2008-2009 Colorado Avalanche: Dry Humping Mediocrity
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