Avs acquire, wait for it... Another Defenseman!!!!
The most superest part of all is that we are trading one of our 2nd round draft picks for one of our 7th round picks!!!
We is real smart!!!!
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It makes total sense
I mean the Avs are rebuilding with youth, so what could be a better move than to trade 21 year old second round draft pick for a 28 year old career minor league player that you already drafted and traded once before.
Yooooouuuuuur Colorado Avalanche!
It depends on what the next move is… It might be the one that makes all the sense in the world.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 6:21 PM MDT reply actions
I hear ya. I do. But this feels like two trades in a row, Smyth being the other, where we didn’t get all we could get in the deal. At lease in the Smyth trade you could make the argument that teams knew the Avs wanted to salary dump, but it isn’t like the Avs should have come across as eager to get rid of a 21 year old prospect.
Maybe Williams stinks, and they are willing to jettison him for a leader in the AHL. But just based off of age and draft position, couldn’t we have gotten a late round pick thrown in or something?
I’m really not sure I understand this deal at all.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions
2 things that get lost on the internet...
Sarcasm and Innocence.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 6:41 PM MDT up reply actions
WTF
How did this end up here? It definitely wasn’t because of my superior computer. I’m done.
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 6:57 PM MDT up reply actions
you’re fitting in nicely
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Maybe
they’ll trade their plethora of defensemen for Crosby or Ovechkin.
by Streams Of Whiskey on Jul 18, 2009 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Weird. Just fricken weird. Maybe Sherman’s calculator is broken?
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He had an up and down first season as a pro, but not enough to just dump him for someone who is a borderline NHL player at best. This seems like misuse of a solid asset here. There are dozens of players like Fahey still available on the free agent market. Something doesn’t smell right with this move.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 16, 2009 7:05 PM MDT up reply actions
PL
Always talked about building assets, using assets, not giving away assets. And in some of the big deals he made, he managed to include guys the organization had overvalued as parts of those trades to land “final pieces to the puzzle.” Now we are just giving assets away? Doesn’t make any sense whatsoever.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
so what could be the rationale? what doesn’t smell right? is this some sort of kickback?
all I can think of is that Nigel either had something really wrong with his attitude, or he requested a trade.
still doesn't make sense
You still gotta get more for one of your best prospects. Mind boggling.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Comparison:
Drafted: Williams 2nd round, Fahey 7th round
Age: Williams 21, Fahey 28
Career Potential: Williams NHL D-man, Fahey career minor leaguer
Size: Williams 6-4, 226, Fahey 6-1, 215
Makes sense. So now we’re just giving prospects away? This is quite odd, no?
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still scratching my head. I imagine we’re overrating Williams, but he’s just 21 so why dump him now?
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 6:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Even if they've decided he's crap
Why not use him as a chip in a real trade? Not everyone knows he is crap, even if that is what they think.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I’m just as perplexed by this move. I would have preferred a draft pick to someone like Fahey who is an AHLer at best.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 16, 2009 7:00 PM MDT reply actions
Wow.
Fuck this trade.
Nigel was my favorite of our prospects.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jul 16, 2009 7:10 PM MDT reply actions
I guess we’ll never see the Williams/Shattenkirk combo you’ve been dreaming of.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
It was a long shot anyway
because Williams was probably going to be a 3rd pairing D-man, but damnit was I hopeful.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jul 16, 2009 10:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Can we fire Sherman and hire a hockey guy?
Too early for Super Joe?
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From hockey’s future:
Top Av D prospects
1. Kevin Shattenkirk 8.0B
2. Nigel Williams 7.0B
3. Cameron Gaunce 7.0C
4. Colby Cohen 7.0C
5. Kyle Cumiskey 7.0C
And he was our 3rd rated prospect overall, behind Shattenkirk and Chris Stewart. What’s next, Shattenkirk for a bag of pucks?
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But Super Joe said everthing was going to be fine...
(cries)
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 7:23 PM MDT up reply actions
straw graspin' here
Is it at all possible that this is only part of a bigger deal, involving the shedding of some salary and infusion of real young talent at forward, and that other parts of the deal just can’t be announced yet for some reason? Seriously, this is the only way this would make any sense. Sherm, help us out here. ’Splain yourself.
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Good thing no one else said something like that..
ehem..
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions
sorry pinchy
I think it would be a good time for another expletive infused video rant from Pinchy productions.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
If Williams turns out to be a solid top 6 guy....
…my poor little head is going to finally explode. The letters “w”, “t”, and “f” aren’t even enough this time.
Above Average.
Another horrifying thought
Wasn’t Williams one of the guys that would allow us to start letting all of the overpaid D-men we have go when their contracts run out? What does this mean? 3 more years of Clark at $3M per?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Ooooh... that Gilbert trade!
(shakes fist in someones face)
So… what was the Gilbert trade?
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
The Avs also received a sixth round pick that turned into Justin Mercier. Despite how bad that deal was, they may end up getting something out of it.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 16, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
and at least Salo served a need
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The only thing I can think of is maybe the Avs don’t see an NHL future in Williams. If that’s the case then they just dumped 325,000 in salary for maybe a more solid AHL D-Man.
Hitler was 21 once…
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by Pinchy The Lobster on Jul 16, 2009 7:49 PM MDT up reply actions
That really cracked me up for some reason. Thanks, I needed that.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
me too
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:05 PM MDT up reply actions
He’s a 21 year old that Joe Sacco saw a lot of last year. Getting that type of close up look at somebody is worth far more than a hockeysfutures.com post. That said, from an outsiders perspective, I don’t care for this deal either.
and
Like we’ve said, even if the org had soured on Williams, there is no reason to trade him for nothing. Other people still believe he’s one of your top prospects. Get something in return accordingly.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 16, 2009 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
I saw him at rookie camp and he looked good to me. He’s got production to support his hype. He’s got size and youth. Even I could call the NY Rangers and get a better deal than that. Fahey is a total throw away aquisition. Spin it until your dizzy but the deal is just wrong on all kinds of levels. Even if Sacco has good inside info on why Williams is bad news, no one else knows that. If he’s salt of the Earth the Avs could still sell him to another club based on his past numbers, age and build. I know you like to post with a positive outlook and I find it refreshing but I don’t think you can spin this one.
I’m not trying to spin anything. Like I said, I don’t care for this trade either. I’m just trying to make some point that I haven’t seen yet.
doesn’t work, though. Williams was on a 2-way deal, making $60,000 in the AHL. I don’t know Fahey’s AHL salary, but it’s probably close to that.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I got Fahey’s numbers from http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=NYR. I’m not sure if the 500,000 is for NHL or AHL but I was assuming AHL.
that would be his NHL salary. AHL salary is much, much less and, again, on par with Williams. it’s not a salary move.
Fahey, btw, is a UFA next summer
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions
They would have been better off getting a seventh round draft pick. There are plenty of Brian Faheys out there right now on the free agent market. Hell, why not just re-sign Vernace or Aaron MacKenzie.
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by Angélique C. Murray on Jul 16, 2009 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that’s what it really boils down to Jori. Why let the better defenseman go in Vernance while getting a guy like Fahey? I mean, just forget all about Williams for a moment. Why are the Avs willing to pay Fahey but not Vernance who for all intense and purposes looks like the better player? One reason….salary. I mean, I know the Avs are cutting costs but by God I hope KSE isn’t THIS cheap. That’s almost more offensive than getting fleeced on Williams.
I think Aaron MacKenzie went overseas already, but your point is still 100% valid.
I keep waiting for them to add “oh wait, we also got a 3rd round pick” or something.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
you know, I used to always confuse Wes O’Neill with Nigel Williams – maybe Sherman did as well.
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Vernace > 1,000,000 x Fahey!!!!!
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Not that it has anything to do with this trade but I thougt it was a little Interesting to find out that Fahey was on the AHL championship Chicago Wolves with with Haydar.
so was Fred Brathwaite. let’s get that deal done!
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:20 PM MDT up reply actions
It almost seems like they are trying to build Lake Erie up as a championship team this year or next. With the young and experienced talent that could be down there this year, it’s not too far stretched. This would only make sense if the Avs really think that Willaims is an NHL dud.
I was thinking the same thing. LE might actually be a better team than the Avs with the way things are going.
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steep price, though, especially, as Angelique points out, there are other D out there on the FA market
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Erie could be competing for sure with this lineup. I think I’ll try to catch some of those games. Also, I don’t think it will hurt to have our prospects play in some AHL playoff games.
Forwards:
Haydar
Mercier
Yip?
Stoa?
McNicoll
DuPuis
Willsie
Hendricks
Durno
…
Defense:
Skinner
Cumisky
Fahey
Ryan Wilson
Macias
…
Goalies
Cann
Weiman
I will admit to this
I won’t miss Nigel’s neck beard
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 16, 2009 8:18 PM MDT reply actions
He has a beard??!!??
Holy bejezus!!!! Look at those soulless eyes!!! They’re piercing my calm and draining all the hope, color, and sanity from my mind!!!! Make it stop!!!!!!!!!!
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he also looks a little like Mose Schrute (Dwight’s brother). Perhaps the Avs just wanted to avoid more charges of nepotism
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 17, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions
I’m late to this conversation, I was out having dinner. Apparently Nero was fiddling at the pepsi center. WTF? I echo every sediment from above. Why make this deal now, why not get a 2nd rounder to go with him (or at least another pick)? I thought Sather was the one to piss away young talent. If you’re doing that trade make them take clark or tucker. But let me state clearly for effect: WTF?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 9:03 PM MDT reply actions
Is anyone else having awful flashbacks to last year????
They get -
Johnny Boychuk, AHL Defenseman of the Year and legit NHL player one day
We get-
Matt Hendricks, Nice guy who tries real hard.
Oh, man, this just makes me sick!!
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um well yes. Didn’t they fire Giguere to NOT get this kind of trade?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Hey Dwight!!
Listen up! The Black Hole was a FREE AGENT!
You were NOT required to piss away our future just to get rid of him!!
Stick to writing TPS Coversheet Memos and let BIller run the team, you goddamned tosser!!!!
(I went to dinner with the wife & kids, had a nice time and I’m still livid!)
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the worst part about this trade is that it has clearly snapped all of us back into reality and the post-coital glow that’s been hanging around tis place lately has turned into the walk of shame in the harsh morning light
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 16, 2009 9:39 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Did my “expect them to lose every single game of the season” post count as post-coital glow? That’s some lousy coitus, then.
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that’s what she said
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 17, 2009 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope it’s not “Coyote Ugly” walk of shame….
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
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by Americanario on Jul 17, 2009 8:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Does anyone remember when Lacroix traded prospect Sami Paulson (along with others but he was the center piece) for ray bourque and dave anderchuk? You know back when he was considered the second coming of forsberg? This is pretty much the opposite, rather than give up that you know he’s a bad prospect, you pretty much admit it and just get a bag of pucks for him. After the smyth trade for Dmen it’s pretty much become a neck to neck race in town for who is going to blow through more good will the early favorite, McDaniels or the late comer, who is coming in fast— Dwight. Well for those of us that care…
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 16, 2009 9:44 PM MDT reply actions
Future consideration?
Is it possible that future considerations are apart of this trade and have not been released yet? If so Zherdev is heading to arbitration and the Rangers aren’t happy about it. He’s still young with potential and plays LW.
Just trying to make sense of this deal, it can’t be Williams for Fahey.
Come on guys, read the CBA.
Clause 67.4: Whoever owns the rights to Fahey is exempt from all restrictions of the salary cap, and can trade any player with the initials B.C. and a $3.5 million cap hit to any team for an automatic three first round draft picks.
It’s the elusive “inverse hot-potato clause,” but it only shows up in the CBA if you believe in it.
Rangers got fleeeeeeeeeeeeced!
by Selanne on Jul 17, 2009 6:55 AM MDT reply actions 6 recs
I did think it was a little strange that they didn’t bring up Williams this year when the brought up everybody else. They must have been really low on him. The Rangers like him but they also like Arnason, so…
Speaking of future considerations
maybe thats why they signed arnason…. Besides their hard on for all ex avs.
Get rid of the loser point
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9news interview
I’m completely baffled by the nigel williams trade. makes absolutely no sense to me, but hopefully it has some rational bearing on what the Avs are trying to do, but I’m not seeing it yet.
Saw an interview on 9news this morning with Dan Hinote. He still spends alot of time in Denver (his sister works at Childrens hospital). He’s promoting a function for his Hinote’s Heroes organization. Anyway, Suzie Wargin (sp?) asked him about a possible return to the Avs. Whether he was just saying it for the news or if he meant it, he said that he’d LOVE to come back to Denver. Said that his agents been in contact with Denver, but didn’t really elaborate. The fact that he hasn’t already signed probably means they’re far apart on $$$ or that the Avs just aren’t interested.
dont do that
now you got that whole hope thing going again. of any former (healthy and still playing) av, hinote ranks way up there on my list of ‘please for the love of roy bring him home’
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 17, 2009 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Now there's a snazzy tagline:
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!
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done
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!
by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 17, 2009 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Awwww
C’mon. We still got that kid… what’s his name….. right, Duschene to look forward to. /Look who’s being the optimist now :)
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
Just got back from Sun Ice Centre
Avs have traded Shattenkirk for a guy who used to be on my D-League rec team.
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Only rationale explanation I can think of
Is that:
1. The Avs see Fahey as a late bloomer who is finally ready for the NHL, and
2. They have more in the works to unload at least one, hopefully 2, of their overpriced D-men. Hannan and Clark would be great. Then use at least some of that money to get a few legit NHL forwards.
Then again, Sherman could have just been really drunk.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 10:55 AM MDT reply actions
3. Nigel is some kind of massive cancer and/or is completely uncoachable and capped out.
Sure would be nice to get some communication from the FO, huh. I’ll email Dater, see if he knows anything.
conveniently
he has ‘gone fishin’
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 17, 2009 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t think I’ve ever heard a team come out and say that they’ve traded a guy because they didn’t like him (or something like that). So, I doubt they would communicate it if that’s the case.
from AD?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 11:25 AM MDT up reply actions
um, I don’t want to get anyone in trouble if this isn’t supposed to be shared, so lets just leave it at it’s confirmed, eklund style.
so ....
are they on the verge of unloading one of their overpriced D-men? You can’t do this to us, man!
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
cancer or more trades?
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by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 17, 2009 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Joe or DDC
Ban hammer doc if he doesn’t share more info.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
still seems like a lousy return
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 17, 2009 1:17 PM MDT up reply actions
You get what you pay for, right? So if they’re dumping salary, it just stands to reason that you’ll decrease in value by trading down to save cash.
I keep hearing that Williams was a total douchebag, though, so maybe that trade wasn’t as bad as it looks on paper.
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agreed on dbag, but how did we save money on this deal? WIlliams was only making like 50-60k in the minors, no? if anything, this vet might be making more! :(
Well, with the Cap space the Avs have and the relatively small numbers we’re talking about, it probably doesn’t make much difference. And anyway, if he was as big a dick as I’m hearing, the Avs probably didn’t care how much his replacement costs. If it helps the Monsters make better players out of the prospects, I’ll support it.
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yet
AD is twittering from vacation…
Jibble roll over and ask him.
by Ben from Portland on Jul 17, 2009 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Do you have AD’s twitter link? Can I read it without having to join something or have some sort of account? Is Jibble on one side and DDC on the other?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 11:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Yep and thanks
Williams work ethic and attitude in question and he doubts Kaberle will be coming to Denver. But does doc know more? Can we add a doc ban hammer countdown clock giving him a deadline to share it if he does?
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Greg from Accounting is a drunk???!!!
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I’ll email Dater, see if he knows anything.
So you write the occasional article for my site and all of a sudden we sharing?
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 17, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
we're*
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 17, 2009 12:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Your first point is interesting. Before the lockout there were a lot of highly priced veterans in the league. Now that they are gone, they are being replaced by rookies and maybe also decent veteran and cheaper AHL players. Fahey fits the bill of a decent AHL and cheap defender.
I wonder though if there is a strategy to build up the Monsters with some proven AHL vets for the following reasons:
1. Have our prospects play with some talent that will help them elevate their game to the next level.
2. Maybe win a championship or just go far in the playoffs which would also help our prospects improve.
3. Maybe help the organization financialy. I truly have nothing to base this one on but I would think that it couldn’t hurt the organization as a whole.
There must be some more benefits to having a strong AHL team.
I think you might be on to something. It’s clear that with the cap what it is and with the Avs’ long-term rebuild underway, shifting the focus to finding veterans to fill out the Monster’s roster of prospects isn’t a bad strategy. Like you eluded, most hockey players are only as good as their teammates, so the more capable veteran players the Monsters have, the easier transition to the NHL the prospects will have. A smaller talent gap, if you will, between the two leagues.
This is all hypothetical/speculation of course, but it wouldn’t be a bad idea if it ended up working.
And some extra butts in the seats in Cleveland surely wouldn’t hurt, either.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
Like you eluded, most hockey players are only as good as their teammates, so the more capable veteran players the Monsters have, the easier transition to the NHL the prospects will have.
Man Marek Svatos and Woitek Wolski must REEEEAAAALLLLLY suck. Oh and coincidentally whoever replaced them on the doughnut line when it was changed up.
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 17, 2009 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting. Question for the cap geeks:
If Vernace doesn’t sign with an NHL club, could he still re-sign with LE as a free agent and be eligible to be called up to COL without having to clear waivers?
For his sake, it would be cool to get an NHL contract, but I’d sure like to see him in a Unipron again. I thought that he was a strong 3rd pairing guy.
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yeah, it’s really just 3 years and x games from signing your first contract. Vernace signed in 2006, so he’s eligible for waivers next year no matter where he signs.
given the fact that he hasn’t signed with anyone at this point tells me that waivers probably isn’t going to be a big issue for him
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 17, 2009 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
That’s what I thought when I heard about this trade. They wouldn’t make a trade like that for no reason. This is the only reason that makes sense. They’re taking rebuilding to the next level. That’s what I would do…
So the Avs lose a good prospect who is apparently a total asshole and not ready for the NHL, but gain a veteran AHL player who is capable at his position and can provide a little guidance to the youngins stuck in Cleveland with him. I’ll take that trade.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
As would I,
but if this guy wins the A’s version of the Norris next year, I may go on a flashback/PTSD induced arson spree in the immediate proximity of the Can.
Just sayin.
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Do it in Detroit
and nobody will notice.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
In Detroit,
it’s known as “urban renewal”.
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I don’t know if there is a huge impact financially to having a good AHL team, but making the team good enough to draw in fans in Cleveland and not actively lose money is probably at least a consideration for management. I’m sure the last 2 years have been at least as brutal, if not more so, for the Monster fans as it has been for the Avs fans.
Off-Topic
I think it’s awesome that we have enough great fans that there’s 118 comments on a mid-July trade of two obscure minor leaguers.
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 17, 2009 12:16 PM MDT reply actions
someone used the phrase “overly hysterical”
Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.
by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 17, 2009 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions
i left at about 10 am PST this morning to go see HP6 (that would be the new Harry Potter film for anyone who isn’t a total geek) and when i got back at 2, there were 79 new posts on this thread. seriously rockin the joint this off-season, folks. very nice.
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 17, 2009 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Dater...
Tweeted that the Avs are talking to Dan Hinote….. wow….. So much for going young… I’ll still take it though……..
Good, bad.... I'm the guy with the gun.
I have his signature on my Roy jersey. I would have no problem bringing him back. Or Forseberg or Tanguay for that matter.
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
I loved watching him play…. Fearless.
Good, bad.... I'm the guy with the gun.
by i2strange97 on Jul 17, 2009 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
If the tradeoff is losing Guite to pick up either Hinote or Yelle for a year or three, I’m cool with that.
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I’d still like to pick up Yelle if we can. I’m kinda surprised the B’s aren’t taking him back, but I suppose they’re pretty bad off cap-wise dealing with Kessel.
Colorado Avalanche: Preventing itchy playoff beards since '09
by FiveJeffFingerDiscount on Jul 17, 2009 12:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Random clarification questions
Why does everybody refer to the avs uniform as a unipron? Is it because the lines make it look like an apron?
What is MHR? Mile High *? Is it another website or a reference to this one?
Yes, the Avs uniform looks like an apron, therefore “unipron.”
Not sure what MHR is, but unipron’s going on the MHH Glossary.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
MHR = Mile High Report
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Where is the MHH Glossary?
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart
It’s a work in progress. Will be available for public consumption soon, I hope.
I promise it won’t take as long as the Top 19 list.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
yes to the apron. Mile High Report, SB Nation site for the Broncos. Drinking orange and blue koolaid 24/7. Somehow losing a franchise qb, and trading a probable high first rounder for a second rounder, are both unquestionably good things.
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
jinx
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by David Driscoll-Carignan on Jul 17, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
pinch poke you owe me a coke
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by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Why does everybody refer to the avs uniform as a unipron? Is it because the lines make it look like an apron?
Exactly. It is also the reason the Hockey Gods hate us…which is nice chronicled here:In-depth analysis about Av’s downturn
MHR = Mile High Report….a Broncos blog.
MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.
I'm The Canary - but I'm not cute nor cuddly, and I don't sing.
by Americanario on Jul 17, 2009 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
You have to give us MHHers a little more credit than that. Right?
An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.
yeah, this place has lots of good discussion and critical thinking.
MHR is completely made up of people with a criticize the team == BAD FAN mentality, including hte contributors. they have some nice analysis on the front page in terms of football strategy and personnel evaluation, but there’s a real Kool-aid mentality to the whole community. I’ve been lynched for questioning trades, like this entire thread is here.
Please do
but get ready to be on the other end of the ban hammer.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder if the fact that I also wield a ban hammer will cause some kind of dimensional rift or something.
Go Avs! Let's get some goals!
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Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 17, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugh
I hate Loki. How IGN listed him in the Top 10 of their !00 Greatest Comic Book Villains list is beyond me. He’s such a little bitch. Thor is bad ass, though.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jul 18, 2009 4:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Well then
MHR can be Loki
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by Jibblescribbits on Jul 18, 2009 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Nah
MHR was truly great when it was still up-and-coming. Loki was never great.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jul 18, 2009 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
True
Before I went to a place where I couldn’t view the Donkeys, I had a lot of good stuff at MHR. I even did some fan posts that were well-received.
But then i went back there a little while ago and it was a little annoying.
The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time
by Jibblescribbits on Jul 18, 2009 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions
think of a blog
pretty much dominated by 100 Peter McNab’s.
They do have some good stuff over there, to be fair. But the analysis is very heavily tilted in the Bronco’s favor 95% of the time, imo. What is that saying, “You can make statistics say anything you want them to say?”
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
before the gram hammer gets me
I know McNabs should not have had the apostrophe.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Hammer Time
What’s with all the hammers today? Are you blogging from Home Depot?
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart
more of the daily theme thing I guess. I find humor in repetition, even if it annoys the hell out of others. Some days it’s ice girls. Some days ban hammers. Speaking of ice girls, has anyone else theorized that the Av downfall started when we had to get more conservative on our goal girl pics?
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Anderson may get too antzy in his pantzy.
The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind - Humphrey Bogart
He’d become a MHH reg for sure.
Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.
by Bob in Boulder on Jul 17, 2009 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions
80% of people know that.
I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman---the official slogan of the 2009'-10' Colorado Avalanche. (and Homer Simpson).
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 17, 2009 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I enjoy MHR
but I’m also thisclose to being mentally unstable, so that might be why.
If you don't eat your meat, you can't have any pudding! HOW can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?!
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Jul 18, 2009 4:59 AM MDT up reply actions
30% of people agree with you.
I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman---the official slogan of the 2009'-10' Colorado Avalanche. (and Homer Simpson).
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 18, 2009 9:24 AM MDT up reply actions
on the fact that you have a 50% chance of becoming unstable in the next year; the likelihood of instability increases, however, to a whopping 98% if the Avs re-sign Darcy Tucker next season.
2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
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by BeachNSnowGirl on Jul 18, 2009 9:31 AM MDT up reply actions
I now have less problems with this trade than I did originally hearing he’s a duche. If it’s common knowledge that he is a duche, then dwight did well just do dump him. I’d say, “hopefully this is the eye-opener that sets his head on right.” but from experience most cocksuck*r’s blame their own failings on others. If it wasn’t common knowledge then nigel should have been part of a bigger trade to dump some salary. so either inexperience or widespread knowledge of NW’s duchebagery. Either way I’m willing to move on. I’m 85% sure of that.
I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman---the official slogan of the 2009'-10' Colorado Avalanche. (and Homer Simpson).
by An Unmitigated Disaster on Jul 18, 2009 10:20 PM MDT reply actions
Hopefully I am the first to notice this but...
…we traded a defenseman for another defenseman making our net gain of defenseman equal to zero, which the thread headline does not imply.
The headline states that a defenseman was acquired. It is silent as to the disposition of any other players and/or the net effect of said acquisition on the roster as a whole.
/nitpick defense mode off
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I was trying to make light of the situation but you got me…
by Avalanche318 on Jul 21, 2009 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Another internet humour FAIL!!
Sorry, I’m used to being the only one who fails on that front (aside from Jibbles).
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