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Do not despair Avs fans, hockey predictions are predictable.


As fans we've never really gone in to a season expecting anything less than a playoff contending Avalanche team.  After last year, that's all going to change going in to the 2009-10 season.  And believe me, going in to training camp season everyone and their grandmother is going to depress you.  It's NHL prediction season!  But, from an unlikely source I've gained perspective...thank you Down Goes Brown.

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Yahoo's Puck Daddy has been running an ongoing theme called "Five reasons I love hockey".  One that caught my attention was Down Goes Brown's reason number 4, entitled "...the 1999 Leafs came out of nowhere to go to the conference finals":

The 1999 Leafs were expected to miss the playoffs for a third straight year and perhaps challenge for last place overall. Instead they lead the league in scoring by a mile and went to the final four.

In the 2002 playoffs, the Leafs roster was so broken down by injuries that half the squad was made up of AHLers and Alyn McCauley(notes) was the first-line center. On paper, they shouldn't have been able to win a game. But they won two rounds (before all the injured players came back, and they lost).

In January 1992 the Leafs were a brutal team going nowhere. And then Cliff Fletcher worked out a trade with the Flames that changed everything.

And here's the beauty: the Leafs aren't special. In the NHL, this stuff happens all the time.

Every year the experts unveil their predictions for the coming season. Every year they cut-and-paste last year's standings, move a few teams up or down one spot, and call it in-depth analysis. And every year they're completely, staggeringly wrong.

Remember this time last year, when the Habs were Cup favorites, the Bruins were doormats, the Blackhawks were slowly rebuilding and the Blues were going to finish last in the West? Nobody knows anything.

The NHL isn't the NBA, where you know the home favorite is going to win even if the referees have to start taking jumpshots themselves. In the NHL, you never know. No matter how bad your team is -- and Leaf fans know a little bit about bad teams -- you still just never know.

"You never know" may not be much. But for some of us, it's all we have.

Could it be true?  Are the predictions that predictable?  Could there actually be some kind of hope for our heroes of the unipron?  I called the research department and this is what they gave me. I'm not sure what it all means but I'm pretty sure it means everything... or nothing.  I leave that for you to decide.

ESPN 2008-09 predictions:

You've got to visit that link to appreciate it.  Note how many picked Pittsburgh to win the cup (between 1 and -1).  Montreal, Dallas and the NY Rangers predicted to win the cup?! Could DGB be right?  Let's take a look at first, at the previous year result and see if they truly did "cut-and-paste last year's standings, move a few teams up or down one spot".

2008 results:

2009 results:

As you can see, DGB is largely correct.  For example, Montreal finished first in the East the previous year and every single pundit selects them to win their division and several to take the Eastern Conference finals.  No one picked Boston to win the division let alone blow Montreal out of the water.  In the NW division these same experts picked everyone from Minnesota, Edmonton and Calgary to win the division.  The reality is that Vancouver won and not a single expert thought they would.

Buccigross 2009 predictions:

I'm a John Buccigross fan.  Despite his ramblings on music and the homogenized nature of hockey analysis for the ESPN faithful.  But, he knows hockey and he loves the sport.  That's an excellent combination.  So, he's a guy when he makes predictions he actually puts some thought in to it and rationlizes his selections.  See his detailed predictions below:

Western Conference:

Eastern Conference:


In summary, the 2007-08 true results:

WEST
Detroit Red Wings 
San Jose Sharks 
Minnesota Wild 
Anaheim Ducks 
Dallas Stars 
Colorado Avalanche  
Calgary Flames
Nashville Predators
***
Edmonton Oilers 
10  Chicago Blackhawks  
11  Vancouver Canucks 
12  Phoenix Coyotes  
13  Columbus Blue Jackets  
14  St Louis Blues  
15  Los Angeles Kings

EAST
1  Montréal Canadiens  
Pittsburgh Penguins 
Washington Capitals  
New Jersey Devils 
New York Rangers  
Philadelphia Flyers 
Ottawa Senators  
Boston Bruins 
***
Carolina Hurricanes 
10  Buffalo Sabres 
11  Florida Panthers 
12  Toronto Maple Leafs  
13  New York Islanders  
14  Atlanta Thrashers 
15  Tampa Bay Lightning 

Buccigross prediction / My snark:


WEST
1  Detroit Red Wings 0 / Close, finished 2nd to San Jose by 5 points.
2  Dallas Stars +3 / Um, not even close.  Worst of his predictions by far.
3  Minnesota Wild 0 / finished 9th and out of the playoffs.
4  Chicago Blackhawks +6 / The best of his predictions as the Hawks did in fact finish 4th.  
5  San Jose Sharks -4 / Wouldn't be that far off except San Jose was clearly the best regular season team, not just a 95 pt team
6  Anaheim Ducks -2 / Not too far off as they finished 8th. But no huge risk in prediction either.   
7  Edmonton Oilers +2 / Way off, 11th and not close to playoffs
8  Calgary Flames -1 / Finished 5th. Strong season considering the 6th seed had six fewer points which is like NHL dog years in significance.
***
9  Nashville Predators -1 / Finished 10th, pretty close to prediction of bubble playoff team.
10 Columbus Blue Jackets +3 / Finished 7th and made playoffs. This was a pretty safe prediction for a team that's never made the playoffs.
11 Colorado Avalanche -5 / The most significant drop from previous year, who could have predicted a -9 drop :(
12 Phoenix Coyotes 0 /Finished 13th  
13 St Louis Blues +1 / St. Louis finished 6th blowing this prediction out of the water.
14 Vancouver Canucks -3 / About as far off as you can get. Won the division, 100 points, 3rd in conference.
15 Los Angeles Kings 0 / Close but finished a good 10 points ahead of the God awful Avalanche, 10 POINTS!! yeesh.

EAST
1  Montréal Canadiens 0 / Not even close, barely made playoffs with 93 points beating tie breaker with Florida for playoff spot.  
2  Pittsburgh Penguins 0 / Pitt finished 4th, in the ballpark but no risk in the pick.
3  Washington Capitals 0 / Finished 2nd, again a safe pick.  
4  New York Rangers +1 / 7th, close to missing playoffs at 95 points.  Not nearly as strong as predicted. 
5  Philadelphia Flyers +1 / Picked it on the nose. Blind Squirrel or brilliant prediction?   
6  New Jersey Devils -2 / 106 points and 3rd in conference, much stronger than predicted.   
7  Boston Bruins +1 / 116 points and first in the East.  Way off from the bubble playoff team prediction.   
8  Ottawa Senators -1 / Way off, 83 points and never in playoff contention. 
***
9   Tampa Bay Lightning +6 /Not quite.  Secondworst record in the NHL with 66 points. They win the Hedman sweepstakes.
10  Buffalo Sabres 0 /Spot on, finished 11th. 
11  Florida Panthers 0 / Close, finished 9th with 93 points, one point out of playoff spot. 
12  Carolina Hurricanes -4 / Nope, way off. Strong season with Carolina finishing 6th in the east and 97 points.   
13  Toronto Maple Leafs -1 / Close, finished 12th same as the year before.  
14  Atlanta Thrashers 0 / Same deal, Atlanta is horrible as predicted with 76 points, but still 10 points better than Tampa? Ouch.
15  New York Islanders -2 / Some things are easy to predict. Went in to the season with 12 mil in cap room and Guerin as their top forward... yeesh.    

So, the lesson here is that Buccigross is inept and Down Goes Brown is a brilliant observer of what should have been obvious to me.  How do these guys get away with this?  It's not going to prevent them from doing the exact same thing this year. No one is going to predict Tampa Bay to finish 5th in the East because it doesn't fit the prediction formula, even though that formula is broken. 

Could the Avalanche defense bounce back by scoring more goals and playing a strong game in front of improved goaltending?  Could Stastny stay healthy all year?  Could Duchene and Stoa not only make the team but be contenders for Calder consideration?  Could the powerplay improve?  Could the penalty kill possibly be worse?  Could Stweart and Jones improve their numbers in what largely amounts to sophomore seasons in the NHL?  How about that Galiardi kid?  Hey, I'm not saying the Avs are going to jump back up to 90 points BUT unlike every expert and their in depth analysis is about to tell you, I don't think it's impossible.  They have no better idea than anyone else when it comes to predicting the NHL season.

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Great post, Dario. I think you’re right. The Avs are somewhat of a mystery this season. Anyone’s guess abo9ut how the season will shake out could come true. I predict a Cup. (not really but that would rock)

An ounce of confidence can carry you a mile toward winning. Oh, and Red Wings suck.

by texacogirl on Sep 2, 2009 11:07 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently TSN has them 29th in the league

just ahead of the ’yotes

Check it out here…
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=289694

I expect another bad season, but I hope that the youth movement will produce results better than last year (although another top 3 pick would be sweet).

by baachus on Sep 2, 2009 11:48 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, it’s kinda a crap shoot. Also they never consiter that players might improve or have a sucky year.

I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there, please save me Superman---the official slogan of the 2009'-10' Colorado Avalanche. (and Homer Simpson).

by An Unmitigated Disaster on Sep 2, 2009 1:31 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

The Blues and the Blue Jackets made the playoffs last year. Nuff said.

Joe Sakic. Captain forever.

by InYoFace on Sep 2, 2009 2:09 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 2, 2009 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate predictions. And I hate that everyone gets so wrapped up in them. Especially in college football. Don’t even get me started on that mess.

Nobody knows how well a team is going to do until the games are played.

by Mrs @ MHH on Sep 2, 2009 3:11 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

No prediction out there can account for Duchene and Stoa…because no one can possibly have a clue as to how they will perform in the big, bad NHL. If they do, in fact, have Calder-consideration years (giving SoS some breathing room) the Avs could be a highly entertaining and even competitive team. Think of the synergy those kids could bring; Svats could find his stride, Wolski could parlay his shoot out skills to regulation, and the defense might feel more comfortable letting loose from the blue line. It is, in fact, a crap shoot and that is much of the reason I’m looking forward to this season even more than last year’s.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 2, 2009 6:14 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah – I think this season will be entertaining if nothing else. I enjoy watching young guys (no, not like that, you pervs) try to make it big. Even if they struggle most the time, they will be working a lot harder than the team did last season. And if that turns out to NOT be the case, then Sakic have mercy on us all.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Sep 2, 2009 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couln’t agree more. Bring on the season.

by mcarson01 on Sep 4, 2009 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Stoa is going to surprise a lot of people.

by Dario on Sep 2, 2009 7:08 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec’d for pure awesomeness. Like a Boss

The Savage has spoken. Let it be done

"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the one less travelled by, and that has made all the difference"
R. Frost

by Savage33 on Sep 3, 2009 3:08 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

by Aph on Sep 3, 2009 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Truf.

I thought you knew that algebra was all razzamatazz. A Globetrotter always saves the good algebra for the final minutes.

by SlamDunkTheFunk on Sep 4, 2009 6:39 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to be clear, I’m not saying these expert predictions are totally useless. What I am saying is that for the most part they are totally and completely useless.

I hope that clears up any confusion.

by Dario on Sep 2, 2009 7:10 PM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Referring to Hindsight Bias, Black Swan Theory & Cognitive Dissonance all in the one comment is awesome (as is your website)

by HugoAgogo on Sep 2, 2009 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

well put.

Sippin' PBR on a Colorado game day...

by mfured20 on Sep 3, 2009 1:21 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

I’m so used to reading posts from Wings and Wild fans around here that I forgot bloggers from other NHL sites could be so …. damn …. intelligent. Thank you!

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 5, 2009 12:00 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, if the NHL was so predictable that these so called “experts” could actually call the upcoming season, it would be too boring for me to watch.

by mcarson01 on Sep 5, 2009 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

puckdaddy sucks

There always wrong

Got some work to do before being a playoff team let alone a contender again!

by thenewhockeytown on Sep 13, 2009 6:24 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

Predictions are hardly ever accurate. It’s mostly about glaring weaknesses and noticeable strengths, because you pretty much can tell from the get-go whether a team is loaded up with Offensive D’s or lacks agitators to control the game.
And of course there’s always the entertainment factor.

by Tommelot on Sep 14, 2009 7:17 AM MDT up reply actions   0 recs

i know

there rumors are always wrong via trade and free agent signings. They get on all the gm’s nerves every year

Got some work to do before being a playoff team let alone a contender again!

by thenewhockeytown on Sep 13, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions   0 recs

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