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Statistical Expectations For Matt Duchene

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With the Avalanche rookies hitting the ice in just 6 days (yowzers!), I thought it might be a good time to take a look at what we might expect from Matt Duchene if he ends up making the team. I pointed my browser towards my favorite research sites, hockey-reference and hockeydb and went to work. For this exercise, I was interested in the 2nd forward picked (as Duchene was) in each draft. I didn't have any logical start date, so, in an effort to make myself feel really, really old, I went back as far as 1991 - the year Doogie was born. *Sigh*

Star-divide

I was interested in a couple of different things. To start with, I wanted to see what each player did in their rookie (not necessarily their first) year. Two players, Nikita Filatov (2008) and Alex Volchkov (1996) have played so little (11 games total) that I didn't bother with their numbers.

 

Draft Player Team Ov Age GP G A Pts +/- PiM Min Sec PPG
2008 Nikita Filatov CBJ 6
2007 Kyle Turris Pho 3 19 63 8 12 20 -15 21 12 :55 0.3
2006 Jonathan Toews Chi 3 19 64 24 30 54 11 44 18 :40 0.8
2005 Bobby Ryan Ana 2 21 64 31 26 57 13 33 11 :16 0.9
2004 Evgeni Malkin Pit 2 20 78 33 52 85 2 80 19 :10 1.1
2003 Nathan Horton Fla 3 18 55 14 8 22 -5 57 13 :20 0.4
2002 Scotti Upshall Nas 6 22 48 8 16 24 14 34 10 :26 0.5
2001 Jason Spezza Ott 2 19 33 7 14 21 -3 8 12 :40 0.6
2000 Marion Gaborik Min 3 18 71 18 18 36 -6 32 15 :26 0.5
1999 Daniel Sedin Van 2 20 75 20 14 34 -3 24 12 :60 0.5
1998 David Legwand Nas 2 19 71 13 15 28 -6 30 14 :43 0.4
1997 Patrick Marleau SJ 2 18 74 13 19 32 5 14 0.4
1996 Alex Volchkov Was 4
1995 Daymond Langkow TB 5 20 79 15 13 28 1 35 0.4
1994 Jason Bonsignore Edm 4 21 35 2 8 10 -11 22 0.3
1993 Chris Gratton TB 3 18 84 13 29 42 -25 123 0.5
1992 Cory Stillman Cal 6 22 74 16 19 35 -5 41 0.5
1991 Pat Falloon SJ 2 19 79 25 34 59 -32 16 0.7

 

I think most of the data is self-explanatory. "Ov" is where the player was drafted. "Age" is the age (per hockey-reference) from that season (so Duchene, if he plays, would be 19 in this case). TOI information only goes back to 1998.

Interestingly, only two players on this list - Volchkov and Jason Bonsignore - are legitimate busts, although a few others may not have panned out quite as expected. Over this time period, the "average" rookie season from the 2nd overall forward was: 65 GP 16G 20A 37P or .55 PPG. 9 of the 16 players were playing in their rookie season by their 19th birthday. Incidentally, the 1st forward taken over this same time period average .65 PPG in their rookie season, or about 16 points more over 82 games. I was surprised by that disparity, although that list includes stellar rookie seasons from Sydney Crosby, Alex Ovechkin and that dickhead, Lindros.

Not everyone follows the same development path to the NHL though. There are a couple of European players and collegians on the list, so I stripped them out and focused on the 11 players drafted from juniors - Ryan, Horton, Upshall, Spezza, Legwand, Langkow, Bonsignore, Gratton, Stillman and Falloon. The rookie numbers for the bunch really weren't all that different:  63GP 14G 18A 33P .51 PPG.

We can still break things down even further. Some players jumped from juniors to the NHL right after being drafted, while others spent a year in juniors (and Bobby Ryan spent two). Here's your PPG at a glance for players who jumped directly to the NHL:

 

Draft Player Team Age Ov PPG
2003 Nathan Horton Fla 18 3 0.4
1997 Patrick Marleau SJ 18 2 0.4
1993 Chris Gratton TB 18 3 0.5
1991 Pat Falloon SJ 19 2 0.7

 

Fallloon, by the way, is odd in that his first NHL season was also his best NHL season; everyone else generally improved over time, many peaking around their 6th season or so. As for guys who went back to juniors for a year, here's their rookie PPG:

 

Draft Player Team Age Ov PPG
2002 Scotti Upshall Nas 22 6 0.5
2001 Jason Spezza Ott 19 2 0.6
1998 David Legwand Nas 19 2 0.4
1995 Daymond Langkow TB 20 5 0.4
1994 Jason Bonsignore Edm 21 4 0.3
1992 Cory Stillman Cal 22 6 0.5

 

Granted, this is an extremely small sample size, but the argument can be made here that the statistical output of the rookie season for these high draftees wasn't enhanced by an extra season in juniors. The 4 who made the leap averaged .53 points a game. The 6 who didn't? .43 PPG.

I plan to look at career trajectories for these players in a future story, but in case you are wondering whether making the early jump from juniors has a negative impact down the road, it's worth noting that the career PPG for the two groups above is identical - .61 PPG.

Again, I that this isn't the deepest statistical study out there. However, I was surprised to find that the rookie numbers for high draft picks like Duchene didn't seem to be impacted by an extra year in juniors. Whether Duchene makes his full-season debut this year or next, his benchmark should be about 40 points (assuming he plays around 80 games). Anything more would be an excellent rookie season. Anything less and I'm going to have to start reading up on that Bosnignore fellow...

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DO NOT CALL THE FUTURE OF OUR FRANCHISE "DOOGIE"!!!!!!!

That being said, nice article. Quite interesting I think. It would, at least initially, seem to indicate that him skating with the Avs this year is the better part of valour (as opposed to “ripening” him in the CHL for another year).

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - "Hey Brother, can you spare a Left Winger?"

by Hopfenkopf on Sep 3, 2009 3:50 PM MDT reply actions  

I don’t like the Doogie nick either. Thanks, as always, for the analysis, DDC. As thin as this team looks, I wonder if he will stay with the big boys? Sort of a tricky one. The lack of talent is both a reason to keep him up and a reason to send him away. What to do?

Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.

by Bob in Boulder on Sep 3, 2009 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry boys

but i believe Doogie will stick. At least for now. He’ll end up with more, I’m sure.

As for keeping him up or sending him down (no puns intended, guys), I think we should ask him:

Me: “Matt, would you rather spend another year in the Juniors or jump right into the NHL?”

Doogie: “Oh I think pushing back my lifelong dream of playing in the NHL with my favorite team in all the world and whose logo I’ve drawn on every possible binder I’ve ever owned is a stupendous idea.”

Yeah. Sure.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 3, 2009 5:15 PM MDT reply actions  

sorry boys
but i believe Doogie will stick.

You are not helping.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - "Hey Brother, can you spare a Left Winger?"

by Hopfenkopf on Sep 3, 2009 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

she’s helping me just fine! (not sure that came out right). (not sure that did either).

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Sep 3, 2009 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

You, my friend,

are beyond help.

(at least in this matter)

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche - "Hey Brother, can you spare a Left Winger?"

by Hopfenkopf on Sep 3, 2009 8:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Beachie seems to have that effect.

MHH: Like the Avs organization, we’ve now officially lost our minds.

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by Americanario on Sep 3, 2009 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I try! = )

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 3, 2009 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  


Not that there is anything wrong with that..

Jim Nahikian, bitches.

by Pinchy The Lobster on Sep 3, 2009 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

but i believe Doogie will stick. At least for now. He’ll end up with more, I’m sure.

With the pants and shoes he’s wearing in this picture, can we call him Batman, or at least The Boy Wonder?

The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 3, 2009 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Boy Wonder

that has a nice ring to it.

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by hockeymom on Sep 4, 2009 8:24 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm sold

I’m calling him the Boy Wonder until he turns 25, All you Doogie backers can bite me!

The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 4, 2009 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

you making buttons this year?

Hyphens cause writers more trouble than any other form of punctuation, except perhaps commas.

by David Driscoll-Carignan on Sep 4, 2009 2:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I gotta find a way to fit that on a button.

The 2009-10 Colorado Avalanche: Aiming for the Charity Point
Jibblescribbits: C'mon over and waste some time

by Jibblescribbits on Sep 4, 2009 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just do the whole circle with a slash through it thing, with “Doogie” being slashed out.

Get rid of the loser point

08-09 Avs- can we decline the penalty?

by TheRed on Sep 6, 2009 8:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

too cliche…unless of course, you somehow warp the ghostbusters ghost into it…then it’s cool again.

2009-2010 Colorado Avalanche:
Abandon all hope ye who enter here!

by BeachNSnowGirl on Sep 6, 2009 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

snag a pic of NPH and use that. but the young and vulnerable NHP, not the older, hilarious, gay NPH.

Sippin' PBR on a Colorado game day...

by mfured20 on Sep 6, 2009 7:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I like Doogie,

I am sure he will grow out of it some day, but for now I like it. It’s unique.

You miss 100% of the shots you never take.
-Wayne Gretzky

by gl avfan on Sep 4, 2009 9:00 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m thinking that Duchene will be on about a 50-50 point per game pace over 82 games.

by c0nquistad0rian on Sep 3, 2009 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

On Duchene – I shall hope for the best but prepare for the worst (hopefully it shan’t come to the latter of the 2 options).

by HugoAgogo on Sep 3, 2009 5:56 PM MDT reply actions  

One thing that jumped out at me

Chris “the human pylon” Gratton was taken that high in the draft?

Our 2009-2010 Avs: The towel has been thrown into the rink.

by Bob in Boulder on Sep 3, 2009 6:35 PM MDT reply actions  

yeah...

kinda hard to believe… PL was always very high on him, too bad he gave away Ballard for him.

by baachus on Sep 4, 2009 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

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